Please stop trying to be World of Warcraft

mocap

i like that WoW continue their story, while ESO stuck in past forever.

Elsonso

mocap wrote: »

i like that WoW continue their story, while ESO stuck in past forever.

That is what happens when Todd says you have to be in the 2nd Era!

Elanymire

You can tell people who have never played games made before 2000 lol. Graphics aren't everything and even if they were eso is hardly the most realistic around. Running on ultra doesn't strain my pc in the slightest.

Geekgirl

I played WoW for a long time. I started over there in Alpha testing. I literally had a dwarven mage before they were taken out of game and then subsequently brought back. (I was salty after their removal and only played Horde for a long while after).

I enjoyed World of Warcraft. I played it for a very long time. In fact, I played it right through ESO's beta (which I was fortunate enough to play) and up until after the first 30 days of ESO's release.

I am often boggled by the ESO=WoW comparison. They are not the same. Not even close.

ESO has never tried to *be* World of Warcraft any more than literally ANY fantasy MMO has tried to *be* WoW.

World of Warcraft is/was the RPGMMO to which all other MMOs have been held up to for a long time. Most games I've played since have someone popping into their chats to say how much "just like WoW this game is". Here's a secret truth for all y'all: Most games of this nature share a lot of the same things: battlegrounds; similar classes; similar environs; character tropes; etc. So by their very nature <insert MMO here> is going to be "just like Wow" or "trying too hard to be just like ESO" or "lolz, didn't I see this mechanic in Rift?"

I feel like those holding up a game to another game and saying "look at what you did here!" would be much better served by explaining and expressing what it is about *this* game that needs looking at and tweaking rather than just shouting "Look! It's exactly like <insert other MMO here>!" and waving one's arms about pretending that isn't exactly what you expected in the first place.

Nicko_Lps

Geekgirl wrote: »

I played WoW for a long time. I started over there in Alpha testing. I literally had a dwarven mage before they were taken out of game and then subsequently brought back. (I was salty after their removal and only played Horde for a long while after).

I enjoyed World of Warcraft. I played it for a very long time. In fact, I played it right through ESO's beta (which I was fortunate enough to play) and up until after the first 30 days of ESO's release.

I am often boggled by the ESO=WoW comparison. They are not the same. Not even close.

ESO has never tried to *be* World of Warcraft any more than literally ANY fantasy MMO has tried to *be* WoW.

World of Warcraft is/was the RPGMMO to which all other MMOs have been held up to for a long time. Most games I've played since have someone popping into their chats to say how much "just like WoW this game is". Here's a secret truth for all y'all: Most games of this nature share a lot of the same things: battlegrounds; similar classes; similar environs; character tropes; etc. So by their very nature <insert MMO here> is going to be "just like Wow" or "trying too hard to be just like ESO" or "lolz, didn't I see this mechanic in Rift?"

I feel like those holding up a game to another game and saying "look at what you did here!" would be much better served by explaining and expressing what it is about *this* game that needs looking at and tweaking rather than just shouting "Look! It's exactly like <insert other MMO here>!" and waving one's arms about pretending that isn't exactly what you expected in the first place.

So, in ESO after-beta with 100x bugs + lags + exploits made you successfully forget wow?
You where the fishing and mount farming in old raids + LFR hero in WoW?
I was a WoW hater, ESO afterbeta made me a wow fanatic.

Also,dont wanna be rude to you or anybody else that loves ESO as much as i do but ESO cant be WoW and will never be.
If ZoS could make ESO like WoW they would, untill then lets fix the 6 months old combat bug of 1 hour + in cyrodiil or the sticky sprint.
Easy steps..One by One.

Pops_ND_Irish

Then people outta leave the game because some use real life history characters as there names.
I guess just playing the game because it fun, is not enough for some people.

DuskMarine

arena25 wrote: »

It is no secret that the company that calls itself Blizzard Entertainment has been busy bees all summer, and will continue to be busy bees for awhile.

For example, all of this is or was scheduled to happen in the summer months:

Overwatch League Playoffs and Grand Finals (which is wrapping up this weekend)
Battle for Azeroth Launch (on August 14)
Several new Heroes and Hero Reworks in Heroes of the Storm (ongoing)
Hearthstone Expansion (on August 7)
Starcraft 2 8th Anniversary (ongoing)
Heroes Global Championship Eastern and Western Clashes (in mid-August)
New Overwatch Hero (released a few days ago)

And there are likely several other major Blizzard events that I missed.

It's no secret that ZeniMax is going to suffer temporary losses in player numbers as several players try out Blizzard games. But in almost every case, players find something that annoys them and they come right back to the game they enjoyed (in this case, ESO). And I will tell you right now, the amount of bugs Blizzard games are suffering from is staggering, which only will hurt Blizzard in the long run.

ALL THAT BEING SAID, I happened to check ESO news today and discovered that ZeniMax (either accidentally or intentionally) is now trying to copy World of Warcraft.

For example, the Meet the Character - Commander Varian article had several major red flags, from the Order of the Silver Dawn (an obvious attempt to parody the Order of the Silver Hand), to Varian (which is fittingly also the name of the former High King in World of Warcraft) to Moon Hunter Keep, which is a loose reference to Black Rook Keep in World of Warcraft.

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Look, Elder Scrolls Online is NOT going to be the next World of Warcraft...Blizzard has too many resources (in terms of manpower and money) at their disposal. So, instead of copying things from World of Warcraft in an attempt to try and gain more popularity, focus on building the Elder Scrolls brand I've come to love. The Elder Scrolls universe is unique, and that uniqueness plus this community is what always keeps me playing in Tamriel, either through Skyrim or ESO.

Rant done.

they need to copy world of warcraft in some areas(like how fast blizzard takes care of bugs compared to zenimax leaving them for years without even a word). now as far as zenimax having the resources they can use assets and resources of bethesda which is just as big as blizzard. but everyone knows how bad bethesda is with handleing anything. to be frank wed all benefit if blizzard bought them out on eso.

BigBadVolk

THe Only thing they tried to rip off from wow was craglorn trial/raid design I mean that the Zone and a DLC ends with a raid or even a chapter of it

Sailor_Palutena

More like WoW copying Disney. I can't stand Elsa Proudmoore. Oops Jaina.

Jaina is all Frozen Queen now.

Merlin13KAGL

• I considered having a ham sandwich for lunch today.
• Sandwiches are made with bread.
• Bread rises in the oven.
• The temperature has also risen since I finished lunch.

Do you think the temperature went up because of my ham sandwich, or do you think you're seeing correlation where there really is none?

Apples & Oranges. Plenty of room in the MMO world for both entities.

Azuramoonstar

Koronach wrote: »

I don't care which came out first TES or Warcraft, I will take TES lore over Warcraft lore 100% of the time.

the lore of warcraft is regulated to fan books. Warcraft is an rts.

DuskMarine wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

It is no secret that the company that calls itself Blizzard Entertainment has been busy bees all summer, and will continue to be busy bees for awhile.

For example, all of this is or was scheduled to happen in the summer months:

Overwatch League Playoffs and Grand Finals (which is wrapping up this weekend)
Battle for Azeroth Launch (on August 14)
Several new Heroes and Hero Reworks in Heroes of the Storm (ongoing)
Hearthstone Expansion (on August 7)
Starcraft 2 8th Anniversary (ongoing)
Heroes Global Championship Eastern and Western Clashes (in mid-August)
New Overwatch Hero (released a few days ago)

And there are likely several other major Blizzard events that I missed.

It's no secret that ZeniMax is going to suffer temporary losses in player numbers as several players try out Blizzard games. But in almost every case, players find something that annoys them and they come right back to the game they enjoyed (in this case, ESO). And I will tell you right now, the amount of bugs Blizzard games are suffering from is staggering, which only will hurt Blizzard in the long run.

ALL THAT BEING SAID, I happened to check ESO news today and discovered that ZeniMax (either accidentally or intentionally) is now trying to copy World of Warcraft.

For example, the Meet the Character - Commander Varian article had several major red flags, from the Order of the Silver Dawn (an obvious attempt to parody the Order of the Silver Hand), to Varian (which is fittingly also the name of the former High King in World of Warcraft) to Moon Hunter Keep, which is a loose reference to Black Rook Keep in World of Warcraft.

****************************

Look, Elder Scrolls Online is NOT going to be the next World of Warcraft...Blizzard has too many resources (in terms of manpower and money) at their disposal. So, instead of copying things from World of Warcraft in an attempt to try and gain more popularity, focus on building the Elder Scrolls brand I've come to love. The Elder Scrolls universe is unique, and that uniqueness plus this community is what always keeps me playing in Tamriel, either through Skyrim or ESO.

Rant done.

they need to copy world of warcraft in some areas(like how fast blizzard takes care of bugs compared to zenimax leaving them for years without even a word). now as far as zenimax having the resources they can use assets and resources of bethesda which is just as big as blizzard. but everyone knows how bad bethesda is with handleing anything. to be frank wed all benefit if blizzard bought them out on eso.

may want to look how blizzard has handled WoW in the last 5 years, 2 failed expacs, with very minimal updates between expacs, large content droughts and ret-conning what "lore" is in the game.

Also company size means very little to games, companies gives games a fixed budget. Sometimes that is a high budget sometimes it is a low budget. SE for example is a pretty large company, they do manga, anime, and video games. Yet their newest mmo ff14 is npt getting that much of a budget vs how much it is bringing in. ff14 is a pay to play mmo, with added cash shop, and most cash shop items are not cheap, and only apply to 1 character, with very few applying to the account. the game and cash shop has made a good chunk of money, yet the game doesn't get a decent portion back and in a few cases cuts corners, or pads out updates in "episodes".


with free to play and buy to play games you are not guarantee a fixed payment each month. Not everyone pays the optional sub, not everyone buys crowns, not everyone gets crown shop items or crates. Which can effect the budget too. If a game isn't making a large sum each month, the game budget may not be big enough.

Also WoW has bugs from around launch as well, not all bugs are easily fixed.

Azuramoonstar

Sailor_Palutena wrote: »

More like WoW copying Disney. I can't stand Elsa Proudmoore. Oops Jaina.

Jaina is all Frozen Queen now.

i noticed that she was a healing priest last i knew and friend to thrall. where she get the ice magic? did she get the power from the lich king?

ATomiX96

idk wrote: »

With WoW's latest expansion they were accused of trying to be like ESO. Those of us here think little of Blizzard games.

Now one person in the entire universe (that clearly is not a huge WoW fan since he is here) is accusing Zos of trying to be like Blizzard off some weak reasoning of meet the character. LOL

Blizzard is definitly copying ESO because BfA is a Major disappointment so far :^)

Xerge

ESO can barely stand against the WoW giant. ESO lacks quality of life and has a broken soul. Fun fact - blizzard is currently eyeing up the market of ESO and is developing a direct competitor.

I currently play ESO because it is at least functional and fun on a playable level and the content is obviously a lot different then WoW. However once all caught up on DLCs and other content my playtime will be very little in this game, mostly to stay on top of released content.

ZOS doesn't have the dedicated development power it seems. Or their management has no clue how manage resources. I can't fathom why the game is in the state it is after four years of post release development. FF14 was shamed to death until it was reborn.

Elsonso

Xerge wrote: »

ESO can barely stand against the WoW giant. ESO lacks quality of life and has a broken soul. Fun fact - blizzard is currently eyeing up the market of ESO and is developing a direct competitor.

I currently play ESO because it is at least functional and fun on a playable level and the content is obviously a lot different then WoW. However once all caught up on DLCs and other content my playtime will be very little in this game, mostly to stay on top of released content.

ZOS doesn't have the dedicated development power it seems. Or their management has no clue how manage resources. I can't fathom why the game is in the state it is after four years of post release development. FF14 was shamed to death until it was reborn.

I really don't like getting into Game A is better than Game B discussions because these things are personal and subjective. So, let me get personal...

In my case, going into early 2014, I was coming off of WoW Panda and had planned to pre-order Draenor. I was a long time continuous subscriber to WoW, having been introduced to it by my gaming friends. ESO was not on my radar, at all, despite being an Elder Scrolls fan. I knew it was being developed, at some level, but paid absolutely no attention to anything related to the game. No screen shots. No interviews. No trailers or videos. I was unaware that the game was even in beta until late February, when someone gave me a "bring a friend" beta weekend key and told me to try it.

I created an account on February 27 for the upcoming weekend beta, played during the weekend, and pre-ordered the Imperial Edition on March 4. It was a bumpy start, but I am still playing that account and World of Warcraft is long forgotten.

The reality is that World of Warcraft never stood a chance, with me. A couple hours of playing the broken beta of ESO completely eclipsed YEARS of playing World of Warcraft.

So, yeah, tell me how great WoW is compared to ESO.

Sylvermynx

@lordrichter - I enjoyed my first 6 years in WoW, playing with friends and family (LOTS of family: sister, her son; daughter, SIL, both their girls; and lots of family friends too) and during those years I was also still playing Oblivion, and later Skyrim. 2013 though.... with the advent of Draenor.... and some things I just hated (lack of flying in new content primarily, and making the grinds worse....) I quit WoW entirely. I didn't even know about ESO at that point. I went on at that time to RIFT, which I played for appx three years - again with family - quitting it in 2016. By that time my younger g'daughter told me she'd tried the beta of ESO, but wasn't very impressed (daughter and her family have never been TES fans - SPMR or MMO).

At one point in WoW I had seven accounts, each paid six months at a time. In RIFT, I "only" had five.... The best thing about RIFT really was the housing setup....

I rather lost track of ESO over time. Then a couple of good friends on my small (well.... tiny....) gaming forum - mostly refugees from the old Beth forums and all pretty much Oblivion/Skyrim vets at least - got into ESO, posting lovely screenies and talking about the fun they were having.

So here I am. And I do love it! I'm having a LOT of fun - the kind of fun I had in the early years in WoW. But it's better - because it's Elder Scrolls....

Nicko_Lps

lordrichter wrote: »

Xerge wrote: »

ESO can barely stand against the WoW giant. ESO lacks quality of life and has a broken soul. Fun fact - blizzard is currently eyeing up the market of ESO and is developing a direct competitor.

I currently play ESO because it is at least functional and fun on a playable level and the content is obviously a lot different then WoW. However once all caught up on DLCs and other content my playtime will be very little in this game, mostly to stay on top of released content.

ZOS doesn't have the dedicated development power it seems. Or their management has no clue how manage resources. I can't fathom why the game is in the state it is after four years of post release development. FF14 was shamed to death until it was reborn.

I really don't like getting into Game A is better than Game B discussions because these things are personal and subjective. So, let me get personal...

In my case, going into early 2014, I was coming off of WoW Panda and had planned to pre-order Draenor. I was a long time continuous subscriber to WoW, having been introduced to it by my gaming friends. ESO was not on my radar, at all, despite being an Elder Scrolls fan. I knew it was being developed, at some level, but paid absolutely no attention to anything related to the game. No screen shots. No interviews. No trailers or videos. I was unaware that the game was even in beta until late February, when someone gave me a "bring a friend" beta weekend key and told me to try it.

I created an account on February 27 for the upcoming weekend beta, played during the weekend, and pre-ordered the Imperial Edition on March 4. It was a bumpy start, but I am still playing that account and World of Warcraft is long forgotten.

The reality is that World of Warcraft never stood a chance, with me. A couple hours of playing the broken beta of ESO completely eclipsed YEARS of playing World of Warcraft.

So, yeah, tell me how great WoW is compared to ESO.

No everybody can play WoW mate, its very competitive and entirely non noob friendly. Unlike ESO.
Mained in legion a mistweaver monk, 16key rotation + 3 key dps combo for mana recovery. 7.2.5 top monks EU, came to eso and healing here is: healing springs/shards-balls/BoL/Combat prayer. No, not for me.

In WoW pve there are good and bad dpsing/healing/tanking classes. But you need to have all of them. Youre not just taking the OP magblades with you and beat the 13 mechanics? cloudrest +3 endgame PvE.

In WoW pvp there are good and bad classes, there are comps that work good with a bad class along with them and most likely if you find what youre comfortable playing with any class can top pvp ranks. (Ranks in WoW is not alliance war ranks.)


Personally ive quit WoW for ESO simply because its a full time job. Its not a game, im too old for that 24/7 grinding + i have a job + real life. Eso atm is chill mode, i wish i could play WoW but i cant have 2 full time jobs

kwisatz

SydneyGrey wrote: »

The Silver Dawn was in the game Skyrim before ESO existed. It wasn't created new for ESO.
It's already established lore.
Also, the Elder Scrolls games first began way back in 1994. World of Warcraft didn't start until 2004. (Announced in 2001.)

This. And the name Varian appears in Morrowind, back in 2002. ¬¬

Titansteele

I miss the "lol" button

Nicko_Lps

kwisatz wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

The Silver Dawn was in the game Skyrim before ESO existed. It wasn't created new for ESO.
It's already established lore.
Also, the Elder Scrolls games first began way back in 1994. World of Warcraft didn't start until 2004. (Announced in 2001.)

This. And the name Varian appears in Morrowind, back in 2002. ¬¬

Varian is a last name, what are you trying to prove that Blizzard copied ZoS? lol

World Of Warcraft is an MMO based and created after the Warcraft series that started in 1994

zaria

Titansteele wrote: »

I miss the "lol" button

More since it looks like WOW is copying stuff from ESO. They got individual loot now, no more need / greed.
And it makes sense game copying features they see work in other games.

Linaleah

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Geekgirl wrote: »

I played WoW for a long time. I started over there in Alpha testing. I literally had a dwarven mage before they were taken out of game and then subsequently brought back. (I was salty after their removal and only played Horde for a long while after).

I enjoyed World of Warcraft. I played it for a very long time. In fact, I played it right through ESO's beta (which I was fortunate enough to play) and up until after the first 30 days of ESO's release.

I am often boggled by the ESO=WoW comparison. They are not the same. Not even close.

ESO has never tried to *be* World of Warcraft any more than literally ANY fantasy MMO has tried to *be* WoW.

World of Warcraft is/was the RPGMMO to which all other MMOs have been held up to for a long time. Most games I've played since have someone popping into their chats to say how much "just like WoW this game is". Here's a secret truth for all y'all: Most games of this nature share a lot of the same things: battlegrounds; similar classes; similar environs; character tropes; etc. So by their very nature <insert MMO here> is going to be "just like Wow" or "trying too hard to be just like ESO" or "lolz, didn't I see this mechanic in Rift?"

I feel like those holding up a game to another game and saying "look at what you did here!" would be much better served by explaining and expressing what it is about *this* game that needs looking at and tweaking rather than just shouting "Look! It's exactly like <insert other MMO here>!" and waving one's arms about pretending that isn't exactly what you expected in the first place.

So, in ESO after-beta with 100x bugs + lags + exploits made you successfully forget wow?
You where the fishing and mount farming in old raids + LFR hero in WoW?
I was a WoW hater, ESO afterbeta made me a wow fanatic.

Also,dont wanna be rude to you or anybody else that loves ESO as much as i do but ESO cant be WoW and will never be.
If ZoS could make ESO like WoW they would, untill then lets fix the 6 months old combat bug of 1 hour + in cyrodiil or the sticky sprint.
Easy steps..One by One.

funny story. early versions of ESO were actualy closer to WoW. they changed it to be more like ES games, practically remade the game from scratch. so no, ZoS woudln't make ESO more like WoW if they could, when they did the exact opposite already. WoW on the other hand, HAS been borrowing from ZoS, what with how they implemented scaling and all as well as loosely warfronts.

ATomiX96

zaria wrote: »

Titansteele wrote: »

I miss the "lol" button

More since it looks like WOW is copying stuff from ESO. They got individual loot now, no more need / greed.
And it makes sense game copying features they see work in other games.

lmao personal loot is in wow since forever, but now they forced personal loot in raids to make it fair for everyone. eso fanboy trying to throw shade upon the superior mmorpg. LUL

vrodnenok

ATomiX96 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

With WoW's latest expansion they were accused of trying to be like ESO. Those of us here think little of Blizzard games.

Now one person in the entire universe (that clearly is not a huge WoW fan since he is here) is accusing Zos of trying to be like Blizzard off some weak reasoning of meet the character. LOL

Blizzard is definitly copying ESO because BfA is a Major disappointment so far :^)

pretty much this. BFA is the most boring expansion for WoW. Got unsubbed / uninstalled on 19th of August. Especially i couldnt stand the idea that characters are actually getting weaker not only with levels 110-120, but with ITEM levels as well. totally disappointed. so i resubbed to ESO again.

Azuramoonstar

mocap wrote: »

i like that WoW continue their story, while ESO stuck in past forever.

what story? WoW doesn't actually have 1, and they retcon lore every expac.

Azuramoonstar

ATomiX96 wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Titansteele wrote: »

I miss the "lol" button

More since it looks like WOW is copying stuff from ESO. They got individual loot now, no more need / greed.
And it makes sense game copying features they see work in other games.

lmao personal loot is in wow since forever, but now they forced personal loot in raids to make it fair for everyone. eso fanboy trying to throw shade upon the superior mmorpg. LUL

personal loot means raids become obsolete quicker, which is a bad thing.

Azuramoonstar

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Xerge wrote: »

ESO can barely stand against the WoW giant. ESO lacks quality of life and has a broken soul. Fun fact - blizzard is currently eyeing up the market of ESO and is developing a direct competitor.

I currently play ESO because it is at least functional and fun on a playable level and the content is obviously a lot different then WoW. However once all caught up on DLCs and other content my playtime will be very little in this game, mostly to stay on top of released content.

ZOS doesn't have the dedicated development power it seems. Or their management has no clue how manage resources. I can't fathom why the game is in the state it is after four years of post release development. FF14 was shamed to death until it was reborn.

I really don't like getting into Game A is better than Game B discussions because these things are personal and subjective. So, let me get personal...

In my case, going into early 2014, I was coming off of WoW Panda and had planned to pre-order Draenor. I was a long time continuous subscriber to WoW, having been introduced to it by my gaming friends. ESO was not on my radar, at all, despite being an Elder Scrolls fan. I knew it was being developed, at some level, but paid absolutely no attention to anything related to the game. No screen shots. No interviews. No trailers or videos. I was unaware that the game was even in beta until late February, when someone gave me a "bring a friend" beta weekend key and told me to try it.

I created an account on February 27 for the upcoming weekend beta, played during the weekend, and pre-ordered the Imperial Edition on March 4. It was a bumpy start, but I am still playing that account and World of Warcraft is long forgotten.

The reality is that World of Warcraft never stood a chance, with me. A couple hours of playing the broken beta of ESO completely eclipsed YEARS of playing World of Warcraft.

So, yeah, tell me how great WoW is compared to ESO.

No everybody can play WoW mate, its very competitive and entirely non noob friendly. Unlike ESO.
Mained in legion a mistweaver monk, 16key rotation + 3 key dps combo for mana recovery. 7.2.5 top monks EU, came to eso and healing here is: healing springs/shards-balls/BoL/Combat prayer. No, not for me.

In WoW pve there are good and bad dpsing/healing/tanking classes. But you need to have all of them. Youre not just taking the OP magblades with you and beat the 13 mechanics? cloudrest +3 endgame PvE.

In WoW pvp there are good and bad classes, there are comps that work good with a bad class along with them and most likely if you find what youre comfortable playing with any class can top pvp ranks. (Ranks in WoW is not alliance war ranks.)


Personally ive quit WoW for ESO simply because its a full time job. Its not a game, im too old for that 24/7 grinding + i have a job + real life. Eso atm is chill mode, i wish i could play WoW but i cant have 2 full time jobs

i played WoW on and off it pretty much is new player friendly, always has been which it is why the member count hit 12mil. A fluke in the industry, WoW isn't all that competitive and around when i was playing it was all about who had the bigger boots in pvp.

Also WoW is and has always been "real life" friendly.

WeylandLabs

How long do I have to wait for ESO to become an Esport, my RNG fighting is on point.

Azuramoonstar

Xerge wrote: »

ESO can barely stand against the WoW giant. ESO lacks quality of life and has a broken soul. Fun fact - blizzard is currently eyeing up the market of ESO and is developing a direct competitor.

I currently play ESO because it is at least functional and fun on a playable level and the content is obviously a lot different then WoW. However once all caught up on DLCs and other content my playtime will be very little in this game, mostly to stay on top of released content.

ZOS doesn't have the dedicated development power it seems. Or their management has no clue how manage resources. I can't fathom why the game is in the state it is after four years of post release development. FF14 was shamed to death until it was reborn.

and ff14 is dying as stormblood is becoming a failed expac. Almost every design choice and "new type" of content has been hated.And their band-aid fixes for non issues have been to toss the baby with the bath water. Even then ff14 aar took out a lot of stuff tht made ff14 1.0 idly good, and that is freedom of exploration. They block exploration behind story, so if you wanted to main a gathering or crafting class you can't. (which was a thing in 1.0) they even did a no-no but having the recent aniversary event drop earings that were only obtainable in a 1.0 boss fight. And prior they said it woulda been an item exclusive to 1.0 players who beat said fight. As a thank you fo doing the fight in such a bad engine and combat.

vrodnenok

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Also WoW is and has always been "real life" friendly.

not anymore. as in BFA everythng is locked behind tedious reputation grind. even 'new' allied races (at least HM Taureans and Nightborn) require reputations from OLD expansion. it is rediculous. in the past i could roll BE or goblin or pandaren withough any rep grind.