Please stop trying to be World of Warcraft

Elsonso

Emmagoldman wrote: »

You can copy me by wearing a sox hat

I'd rather not.

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

I don't think its World of Warcraft enough imo...

Seriously ESO can only dream about that many events in such a short time period..

I'd honestly they rather rip off some of the combat changes, philosophies, and the server archetecture and stability.

Megaservers dont work.

Yep. That's my one real wish as of this point in time: a group of servers IN the US, and of course a corresponding amount in EU. The megaserver setup is.... problematic.

Megaserver seems to work just fine, and I would rather connect to one server than have to wait in a lobby for one of several servers to clear out. It is bad enough that they have limits and queues for Cyrodiil (which is pretty much how separate servers would be like for the rest of the game)

Bpryr_125

Played Wow for yrs, left it around 2yrs ago

Id Take Eso over Wow 100% atm. Eso has it problems.. but Wow is junk with instant gratification Fluff.


I remember when Wow killed EQ with all its instant reward gratification. Old days you grinned for months for certain drops.

Besides the Steam debacle. I have no issues with Eso

Ratzkifal

There is a letter in Morrowind that says "Stormwind" instead of Stormhaven or Stormhold but I doubt that was done to immitate WoW.

Blizzard doesn't own the concept of "Order of [X]" and silver has been used against werewolfs since Morrowind (and maybe even before that). That the guy is named Varian might be a reference, a coincidence or perhaps something else, but who cares.
WoW is copying/getting inspiration from the elder scrolls too.

The Draenei people's story is quite similar to the Dunmers' one: both peoples had to run from their native land because of their beliefs or choices, falling in another conflict with the races they meet (the Draenei with Horde races, the Dunmer with Nords, Argonians and then the Empire), and naming themselves in a way that remembers they troubled past (Draenei= Exiled Ones; Dunmer= Cursed Ones); besides both peoples were led by leaders who are called "prophets" (and also share a similar name): the Draenei by Velen, the Dunmer by Veloth.

I would be more worried if ZOS went into the direction of WoW gameplay wise than immitating parts of the lore.

Donatelllo

Both might have the occasional similarities now and then but I seriously doubt that they are intended by either developer. It's the nature of this style of MMO and gameplay type.

However it does make one ponder what the result would be if Zenimax and Blizzard had a baby?

Azuramoonstar

OGLezard wrote: »

I would just like to point out that elderscrolls lore has been around longer than WoW, so thanks blizzard for ripping off elderscrolls!

not really warcraft has been out longer then elder scrolls, and warcraft lore mimics war hammer which is an old table top rpg akin to dungein and dragons. Which inspired 99% of all rpg, which was inspired by lord of the rings lore.

DanteYoda

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

I don't think its World of Warcraft enough imo...

Seriously ESO can only dream about that many events in such a short time period..

I'd honestly they rather rip off some of the combat changes, philosophies, and the server archetecture and stability.

Megaservers dont work.

Same here the whole mega server thing is a shambles imo.. I've never had issues in other mmos that i do here.. constantly.. I'd love some of these devs to try and play this game from Australia, then see how fun their setup is..

Tucker3711 wrote: »

If anything BOTH probably are based on Lord of the Rings which is based on Norse, Celtic, ect. Mythology with a dash of Catholicism. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ORIGINALITY! IT IS DEAD!

I do admit I don't play World Of Warcraft... But if I know anything, sometimes copying is not always that bad! (It can be in some cases) I have played for about two years and I love this game! As someone who is detail oriented I find this game pretty unique.

Warcraft was taken from Warhammer.. I don't care what Blizzard developers say otherwise the likeness is far too exact to be anything else..

Which started before both Blizzard and Bethesda franchises.. and as franchises go the Bethesda one is the weakest imo, very lackluster.

OGLezard

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

OGLezard wrote: »

I would just like to point out that elderscrolls lore has been around longer than WoW, so thanks blizzard for ripping off elderscrolls!

not really warcraft has been out longer then elder scrolls, and warcraft lore mimics war hammer which is an old table top rpg akin to dungein and dragons. Which inspired 99% of all rpg, which was inspired by lord of the rings lore.

Again, read a few post before yours. March of 94 the first elderscrolls game came out. November of 94 warcraft was released.

Therefor elderscrolls lore pre dates warcraft.

Minyassa

Silver Dawn's already in the game as a werewolf hunter group. Silver > killing werewolves, y'know, like bullets? Dawn for fancy knight order nameage. And Varian is a typical fantasy name. I'm 9000% certain that they didn't even THINK about WoW when they named these things. Why in the world would they want or need to try to imitate *that*?

Sylvermynx

lordrichter wrote: »

Emmagoldman wrote: »

You can copy me by wearing a sox hat

I'd rather not.

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

I don't think its World of Warcraft enough imo...

Seriously ESO can only dream about that many events in such a short time period..

I'd honestly they rather rip off some of the combat changes, philosophies, and the server archetecture and stability.

Megaservers dont work.

Yep. That's my one real wish as of this point in time: a group of servers IN the US, and of course a corresponding amount in EU. The megaserver setup is.... problematic.

Megaserver seems to work just fine, and I would rather connect to one server than have to wait in a lobby for one of several servers to clear out. It is bad enough that they have limits and queues for Cyrodiil (which is pretty much how separate servers would be like for the rest of the game)

In all the years I played WoW and RIFT, I never had a login queue. That might have changed now of course - I haven't played either for several years. There were so many servers worldwide in WoW. RIFT didn't have as many, but it wasn't as popular a game.

Syncronaut

Emmagoldman wrote: »

because eso has a "meet the charecter" it is now fully copying wow?) or blizzard?

You can copy me by wearing a sox hat, but besides my hat, every other variable is different. variables son, variables.
logic and science classes, who needs them!

Meet the X--- as far as i know the 1.st time i seen this was in team fortress:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l62OY19rZ7k


Also...i dont think many people would want to go back to target and press button to kill after playing eso combat system. (unless they have a crappy internet)

As for warcraft fans of what i am reading on fan forums people are not that impresed and they want to quit wow for good and i seen them looking at the Eso tread there asking if game is good.

Also Eso is cheaper to start compared to wow now as you are not forced to pay for sub every 30 days to even be able to play.

Azuramoonstar

OGLezard wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

OGLezard wrote: »

I would just like to point out that elderscrolls lore has been around longer than WoW, so thanks blizzard for ripping off elderscrolls!

not really warcraft has been out longer then elder scrolls, and warcraft lore mimics war hammer which is an old table top rpg akin to dungein and dragons. Which inspired 99% of all rpg, which was inspired by lord of the rings lore.

Again, read a few post before yours. March of 94 the first elderscrolls game came out. November of 94 warcraft was released.

Therefor elderscrolls lore pre dates warcraft.

Should do more research, and actually look to what I said. Also look at the warcraft vs warhammer character art.

warhammer was a popular table top rpg, which warcraft share a lot of character art with.

warcraft was gonna be a warhammer title, but creative differences lead to the team making warCRAFT instead. (akas the two share a similar name)

also the elder scrolls arena was not built to be an rpg from the ground up, rpg elements were added later, and not fully fleshed out till daggerfall.

the elder scrolls arena was going to be a arena fighter game (think the elder scrolls blades) and just simply called arena, but todd howard and crew got into dungeons and dragons so they sprinkled in more and more rpg elements, and dubbed it the elder scrolls simply because the same sounded cool.

daggerfall is where the lore really started to take shape, and in Morrowind is where they had it cemented.

Arena has very tiny amounts of lore, as stuff was up in the air due to the change from arena fighter, to rpg was so late. They already had promo art featuring arena as a title.

Elsonso

Sylvermynx wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Emmagoldman wrote: »

You can copy me by wearing a sox hat

I'd rather not.

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

I don't think its World of Warcraft enough imo...

Seriously ESO can only dream about that many events in such a short time period..

I'd honestly they rather rip off some of the combat changes, philosophies, and the server archetecture and stability.

Megaservers dont work.

Yep. That's my one real wish as of this point in time: a group of servers IN the US, and of course a corresponding amount in EU. The megaserver setup is.... problematic.

Megaserver seems to work just fine, and I would rather connect to one server than have to wait in a lobby for one of several servers to clear out. It is bad enough that they have limits and queues for Cyrodiil (which is pretty much how separate servers would be like for the rest of the game)

In all the years I played WoW and RIFT, I never had a login queue. That might have changed now of course - I haven't played either for several years. There were so many servers worldwide in WoW. RIFT didn't have as many, but it wasn't as popular a game.

I have had servers be full when trying to get into WoW. That was a few years ago, before cross-realm (which I consider to be Blizzard's version of the megaserver).

Sylvermynx

I quit playing WoW in 2014. Never once had a problem on any server though mostly I played on Shadowsong and Icecrown. I had a bunch of accounts, and played on nearly every NA and AU server other than pvp (mostly to keep from being bothered by family and friends - yeah, nice that they all decided to play after I started, but jeez.... LEAVE ME ALONE sometimes.... *sigh*)

Ditto RIFT. Just weren't any issues. Of course, that could be in part because I play from around 8 am to 4 pm - I'm retired so....

Wifeaggro13

arena25 wrote: »

It is no secret that the company that calls itself Blizzard Entertainment has been busy bees all summer, and will continue to be busy bees for awhile.

For example, all of this is or was scheduled to happen in the summer months:

Overwatch League Playoffs and Grand Finals (which is wrapping up this weekend)
Battle for Azeroth Launch (on August 14)
Several new Heroes and Hero Reworks in Heroes of the Storm (ongoing)
Hearthstone Expansion (on August 7)
Starcraft 2 8th Anniversary (ongoing)
Heroes Global Championship Eastern and Western Clashes (in mid-August)
New Overwatch Hero (released a few days ago)

And there are likely several other major Blizzard events that I missed.

It's no secret that ZeniMax is going to suffer temporary losses in player numbers as several players try out Blizzard games. But in almost every case, players find something that annoys them and they come right back to the game they enjoyed (in this case, ESO). And I will tell you right now, the amount of bugs Blizzard games are suffering from is staggering, which only will hurt Blizzard in the long run.

ALL THAT BEING SAID, I happened to check ESO news today and discovered that ZeniMax (either accidentally or intentionally) is now trying to copy World of Warcraft.

For example, the Meet the Character - Commander Varian article had several major red flags, from the Order of the Silver Dawn (an obvious attempt to parody the Order of the Silver Hand), to Varian (which is fittingly also the name of the former High King in World of Warcraft) to Moon Hunter Keep, which is a loose reference to Black Rook Keep in World of Warcraft.

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Look, Elder Scrolls Online is NOT going to be the next World of Warcraft...Blizzard has too many resources (in terms of manpower and money) at their disposal. So, instead of copying things from World of Warcraft in an attempt to try and gain more popularity, focus on building the Elder Scrolls brand I've come to love. The Elder Scrolls universe is unique, and that uniqueness plus this community is what always keeps me playing in Tamriel, either through Skyrim or ESO.

Rant done.

this game is nothing like Wow

wenchmore420b14_ESO

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

OGLezard wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

OGLezard wrote: »

I would just like to point out that elderscrolls lore has been around longer than WoW, so thanks blizzard for ripping off elderscrolls!

not really warcraft has been out longer then elder scrolls, and warcraft lore mimics war hammer which is an old table top rpg akin to dungein and dragons. Which inspired 99% of all rpg, which was inspired by lord of the rings lore.

Again, read a few post before yours. March of 94 the first elderscrolls game came out. November of 94 warcraft was released.

Therefor elderscrolls lore pre dates warcraft.

Should do more research, and actually look to what I said. Also look at the warcraft vs warhammer character art.

warhammer was a popular table top rpg, which warcraft share a lot of character art with.

warcraft was gonna be a warhammer title, but creative differences lead to the team making warCRAFT instead. (akas the two share a similar name)

also the elder scrolls arena was not built to be an rpg from the ground up, rpg elements were added later, and not fully fleshed out till daggerfall.

the elder scrolls arena was going to be a arena fighter game (think the elder scrolls blades) and just simply called arena, but todd howard and crew got into dungeons and dragons so they sprinkled in more and more rpg elements, and dubbed it the elder scrolls simply because the same sounded cool.

daggerfall is where the lore really started to take shape, and in Morrowind is where they had it cemented.

Arena has very tiny amounts of lore, as stuff was up in the air due to the change from arena fighter, to rpg was so late. They already had promo art featuring arena as a title.

Well, you are sorta right. Doing research is good, but....
1. Todd Howard didn't come on the Bethesda scene till the end of Daggerfall and didn't make his name till Morrowind.
Julian LeFey was the "Godfather" of Elder Scrolls and creator of Arena.
Yes, it started as a "Gladiator" style game and later became a RPG.
Warhammer was just another RPG table top of which there were a ton of at the time, and Blizzard has said that there is no connection, but the point that I want to make is that lore wise, Elder Scrolls has a MUCH more rich and in-depth lore to it.
The fact that ESO or Elder Scrolls would ever need to "borrow" from WoW is laughable..
Just my 2 drakes...
Huzzah!

Linaleah

I'm having dejavu of every time I have heard someone, lets just say less experienced - accuse a creator of some sort with a lot of prior history - of copying someone who is far more recent. its ironic and sad at the same time (one of the more hillarious example, I have seen justin bieber fans accuse Soft Cell of copying him.. where not only they did the cover of Tainted love before Bieber was even born, but their version was ALSO a cover)

another ironic thing is that Blizzard's MO is and has been for as long as I played their games - to take other people's ideas and concepts and refine them. they are not innovators. they are very famous polishers. except... most recently. WoW's 8.0 patch makes ESO look like impeccably polished bug free environment. that's how bad it is right now, at least OP is correct about that.

Linaleah

Syncronaut wrote: »

Emmagoldman wrote: »

because eso has a "meet the charecter" it is now fully copying wow?) or blizzard?

You can copy me by wearing a sox hat, but besides my hat, every other variable is different. variables son, variables.
logic and science classes, who needs them!

Meet the X--- as far as i know the 1.st time i seen this was in team fortress:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l62OY19rZ7k


Also...i dont think many people would want to go back to target and press button to kill after playing eso combat system. (unless they have a crappy internet)

As for warcraft fans of what i am reading on fan forums people are not that impresed and they want to quit wow for good and i seen them looking at the Eso tread there asking if game is good.

Also Eso is cheaper to start compared to wow now as you are not forced to pay for sub every 30 days to even be able to play.

actualy. you would be surprised just how many people prefer sticky targeting system to the one ESO has. honestly, I play ESO despite its combat, not becasue of it. WoW combat is one of the few reasons I still go back to that game (nostalgia and attachment to characters I had for over a decade being another)

ESO combat is more action gamey, almost shooter like. WoW is more of a traditional rpg. amazingly enough.. plenty of people prefer more classic rpg combat. who would have thunk..

Banana

If only the servers were like wow.

Azuramoonstar

wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

OGLezard wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

OGLezard wrote: »

I would just like to point out that elderscrolls lore has been around longer than WoW, so thanks blizzard for ripping off elderscrolls!

not really warcraft has been out longer then elder scrolls, and warcraft lore mimics war hammer which is an old table top rpg akin to dungein and dragons. Which inspired 99% of all rpg, which was inspired by lord of the rings lore.

Again, read a few post before yours. March of 94 the first elderscrolls game came out. November of 94 warcraft was released.

Therefor elderscrolls lore pre dates warcraft.

Should do more research, and actually look to what I said. Also look at the warcraft vs warhammer character art.

warhammer was a popular table top rpg, which warcraft share a lot of character art with.

warcraft was gonna be a warhammer title, but creative differences lead to the team making warCRAFT instead. (akas the two share a similar name)

also the elder scrolls arena was not built to be an rpg from the ground up, rpg elements were added later, and not fully fleshed out till daggerfall.

the elder scrolls arena was going to be a arena fighter game (think the elder scrolls blades) and just simply called arena, but todd howard and crew got into dungeons and dragons so they sprinkled in more and more rpg elements, and dubbed it the elder scrolls simply because the same sounded cool.

daggerfall is where the lore really started to take shape, and in Morrowind is where they had it cemented.

Arena has very tiny amounts of lore, as stuff was up in the air due to the change from arena fighter, to rpg was so late. They already had promo art featuring arena as a title.

Well, you are sorta right. Doing research is good, but....
1. Todd Howard didn't come on the Bethesda scene till the end of Daggerfall and didn't make his name till Morrowind.
Julian LeFey was the "Godfather" of Elder Scrolls and creator of Arena.
Yes, it started as a "Gladiator" style game and later became a RPG.
Warhammer was just another RPG table top of which there were a ton of at the time, and Blizzard has said that there is no connection, but the point that I want to make is that lore wise, Elder Scrolls has a MUCH more rich and in-depth lore to it.
The fact that ESO or Elder Scrolls would ever need to "borrow" from WoW is laughable..
Just my 2 drakes...
Huzzah!

It isn't far fetched, look at the art of both warcraft and warhammer, the factions. Heck even the titles are similar. It rare for 2 games to have near identical art. Ok, about the tod howard part but rest is true.

Koensol

starkerealm wrote: »

LMAO literally the most fitting meme ever posted here. Instant 10/10!

Ydrisselle

Sylvermynx wrote: »

I quit playing WoW in 2014. Never once had a problem on any server though mostly I played on Shadowsong and Icecrown. I had a bunch of accounts, and played on nearly every NA and AU server other than pvp (mostly to keep from being bothered by family and friends - yeah, nice that they all decided to play after I started, but jeez.... LEAVE ME ALONE sometimes.... *sigh*)

Ditto RIFT. Just weren't any issues. Of course, that could be in part because I play from around 8 am to 4 pm - I'm retired so....

Right after a new expansion or content patch was launched the WoW servers have queues. Every time.

Elsonso

Linaleah wrote: »

Syncronaut wrote: »

Also...i dont think many people would want to go back to target and press button to kill after playing eso combat system. (unless they have a crappy internet)

actualy. you would be surprised just how many people prefer sticky targeting system to the one ESO has. honestly, I play ESO despite its combat, not becasue of it. WoW combat is one of the few reasons I still go back to that game (nostalgia and attachment to characters I had for over a decade being another)

ESO combat is more action gamey, almost shooter like. WoW is more of a traditional rpg. amazingly enough.. plenty of people prefer more classic rpg combat. who would have thunk..

I have to agree with Syncronaut. At least for PVE. Standing and spamming number keys in a specific sequence (or worse, when the little box flashes) has little appeal to me after playing ESO for the last few years. I went back to WoW briefly for Draenor and I could not believe how I ever tolerated the combat there. It was very clunky, static, and unnatural. I felt like I was controlling a robot.

Valabrog

starkerealm wrote: »

Thats how I felt after reading OP twice

Pops_ND_Irish

So??

Koronach

I don't care which came out first TES or Warcraft, I will take TES lore over Warcraft lore 100% of the time.

Linaleah

lordrichter wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Syncronaut wrote: »

Also...i dont think many people would want to go back to target and press button to kill after playing eso combat system. (unless they have a crappy internet)

actualy. you would be surprised just how many people prefer sticky targeting system to the one ESO has. honestly, I play ESO despite its combat, not becasue of it. WoW combat is one of the few reasons I still go back to that game (nostalgia and attachment to characters I had for over a decade being another)

ESO combat is more action gamey, almost shooter like. WoW is more of a traditional rpg. amazingly enough.. plenty of people prefer more classic rpg combat. who would have thunk..

I have to agree with Syncronaut. At least for PVE. Standing and spamming number keys in a specific sequence (or worse, when the little box flashes) has little appeal to me after playing ESO for the last few years. I went back to WoW briefly for Draenor and I could not believe how I ever tolerated the combat there. It was very clunky, static, and unnatural. I felt like I was controlling a robot.

is this one of those "i prefer it this way" ergo everyone must prefer it that way things?

did I say everyone prefers classic style? no. I said that you'd be surprised at how many people still do. you are not one of those people - good for you, but don't think that these people do not exist. they do. and there are at least some of them who leave ESO becasue they find ITS combat clunky and unnatural. GW2 at least found a balance between tab targeting and active movement combat

P.S. reply to another post in this thread, WoW IS a warhammer ripoff "inspired" . warhammer was and is tabletop STRATEGY game, and originally blizzard was supposed to make a warhammer game. there was a mixup with license, they lost it late into development, or something, need to look it up for specific details, but the point is, blizzard spent all this time developing this strategy game which they couldn't release as is anymore. at the time, they weren't a company that they are today, perfectly capable of affording to scrap years of work... so they slapped a coat of paint on it and called it warcraft. but if you look at the original warcraft game.. the similarities between it and warhammer are VERY difficult to ignore.

but they didn't stop there either. if you don't see that space marines of star craft are knockoffs of warhammer ones, protoss is Tau, zerg - tyranids, etc? you need glasses. oh, they change things and they adjust lore enough so that it feels like its own story... but.. this is what blizzard does. they borrow. they adopt. its been their MO for DECADES, whether its story bits, or game mechanics.

Cously

World of Warcraft is a drop in the ocean of Elder Scrolls lore.

Elsonso

Linaleah wrote: »

is this one of those "i prefer it this way" ergo everyone must prefer it that way things?

I did not meant to hit some sort of sensitive spot with you.

xeNNNNN

Just want to point out that the name "Varian" has been widely used in many fantasy based games not just WoW, WoW just made it a well known name.

So the argument of the name is kinda very one-dimensional. Its just a fantasy name.

Theres others word and combinations; "order of the..." or "augur" or "sorcerer" or Mage, Magic, Gods, Light, dark etc etc

There are so many lore based universes with the exact same leanings and imitations of Tolkiens work that they cease to be words and names locked into one specific lore they become genre wide terms , words and names.

I don't disagree they're trying too hard to compete with an established franchise on the scale that they are (which is a big no for anyone with a brain in this industry because it just ends up backfiring every time because everything they want to do has already been done and perfected) but I think half this post is some what skewered with preconceptions and notions of familiarity that have existed indeed since before WoWs creation. This is true for all fantasy based games even warhammer and a like. Hell even 40k as well.

The argument shouldn't be what are they doing the same, the argument should be what are they not doing.... if creative integrity is something you care about.

Jeremy

lordrichter wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Syncronaut wrote: »

Also...i dont think many people would want to go back to target and press button to kill after playing eso combat system. (unless they have a crappy internet)

actualy. you would be surprised just how many people prefer sticky targeting system to the one ESO has. honestly, I play ESO despite its combat, not becasue of it. WoW combat is one of the few reasons I still go back to that game (nostalgia and attachment to characters I had for over a decade being another)

ESO combat is more action gamey, almost shooter like. WoW is more of a traditional rpg. amazingly enough.. plenty of people prefer more classic rpg combat. who would have thunk..

I have to agree with Syncronaut. At least for PVE. Standing and spamming number keys in a specific sequence (or worse, when the little box flashes) has little appeal to me after playing ESO for the last few years. I went back to WoW briefly for Draenor and I could not believe how I ever tolerated the combat there. It was very clunky, static, and unnatural. I felt like I was controlling a robot.

The clunky combat system was what turned me off of WoW as well. Most people cite the graphics, but I actually thought the graphics on Wow were kind of charming in their own way. Though ESO does have better.

I also don't really see that a comparison with WoW is merited. They share some of the same similarities that all modern MMORPGs share. But other than that, I'm not really seeing an active attempt to copy WoW that the OP suggests.