This is why YOU get kicked for being low CP or bad at DPS/Heals/Tank

Eedat

Lol I went from Mr. Nice Guy to Mr. *** Off at about my 100th time of trying to explain how Planar in vWGT works to PUGs. I literally used to have the rundown ready to copy and paste from my clipboard. The amount of people who (to me) seem to actively refuse to try to learn turned me pretty sour and now I rage quite easily at PUGs.

Gargath

Here my yesterday's normal pug in Selene's Web. The sorc dd from screen who was queueing in all roles and forgot to unmark them, constantly was pulling all mobs and bosses, with no healing and small dps (type of a player using 2 combat pets). The perfect example for an instant kick. Instead I let him stay and die first - as a real tank I was not taunting for a while because the fake tank was always first into battle. Was awaiting his death, obviously not resurrecting. So more vicious fun I had from watching him die than actually I'd have from kicking .

Isildurrr

I know your pain man, I Was in a group and the other dd (think his name was wealthy or weath or something) only pulled 11k dps ST on the boss, the fight lasted about 25 minutes. It was bad

SupremeRissole

ItsNebula wrote: »

Idk how DPS are still trash in this day and age of ESO. If you cant pull at least 30k DPS in this patch, just dont DPS. 30k This patch is literally throwing down AOEs, DOTs and using your spamable and popping ult when ready. Hell, ive never played MagBlade before yesterday, threw together the BIS and was able to parse a 35k with about 10mins of rotation practice. DPS is super easy, and if you cant pull at LEAST 30k DPS, you have no room to tell others how to do there job. Especially if youre a casual still stuck in the light/heavy attack phase from Skyrim, lmfao

Edit; fixed grammar

Truths, i pulled 22k just staying on my bow bar kerping up hail caltrops and trap and light attacking in beteeen (did it for lol's). This being said we were all scrubs once too, do need to have patience for those learning, however vet scalecaller is NOT the sort of place for that sort of player.

randomkeyhits

For the OP, its entitled much? unless of course he is paying the others for their time then he has the right to come on like that, all those words to say ME, ME, ME.....

For me the bigger issue is how the game provides feedback. That combat analyser thingy on the PC I would kill for to have on the PS4 and I really wish they'd just subsume it into the base game so everyone has it available.

Then take it to the next stage. They've started with the skills advisor, you are a XXXX well then, this skill is a really good idea.

Create a combat advisor tied to that analyser, mouse over one of the entries and it may say "endless hail is a dot but it was only active for 40% of the fight, you can improve your combat effectiveness if you can reduce the amount of time its not running"

It doesn't fix everything but it would be right there, in game, always available. Then if people ask what does the advisor suggest you improve the most? a weaker player has a pretty clear indicator.

As for the you tube videos, what happens when someone goes to you tube for advice, finds an old video that is no longer good advice and follows it because they've been told to go to you tube.... bet that happens too.

Aurielle

randomkeyhits wrote: »

As for the you tube videos, what happens when someone goes to you tube for advice, finds an old video that is no longer good advice and follows it because they've been told to go to you tube.... bet that happens too.

One would hope people look at the date of a video before following a build from, say, 2016...

Mister_DMC

I've learned that if you want to heal dungeons you need to basically slot breath of life and that's it. Run a magplar build otherwise, you'll still do 30k+ DPS and can throw the odd heal out when needed.

phileunderx2

Many players have no idea how to actually play. Last night I decided to pug bc1 vet on my sorc because I wanted a hellm and I forgot to buy one a couple of weeks ago when it was at the golden. So my que pops and I am greeted by the portal of doom. I know excatly where they are and I hope that there is at least a tank that can keep rills still sort of.
Now I'm not a great dps. I can get 20 k sometimes on a dummy.
Get to the group and the tank pulls rills to the back of the room and I go and put down dots apply curse and keep my sheilds up and drop my ultimate whenever it is ready. I have no idea what the healer and other dps were doing because I saw no buffs or heals and no attacks from the other dps.

So my crummy rotation dps I was able to kill the boss in about 6 minutes ..lol and btw I love having a real tank in group.

AuldWolf

There's an undercurrent here that's actually disturbing. I don't like it. Has anyone else spotted it?

It goes beyond an entitlement to treat anyone who isn't of the perceived "hardcore," or "meta," or what have you. It's so much more insidious than that, and that's why I keep bringing up the relevance of the dark triad to conversations like these. It's in how there's pride in mistreating people. It started off as just being unnerving but like a creeping vine it's grown into a dark cloud of fridge horror. Not a fan.

"I'm proud I'm badarse!", "I'm also proud I'm badarse!", "Let's be proud together, brother, and lord it over these plebs!"

There's just something truly problematic about it that reminds me of the attitudes of ableist and/or rich people. As though the other players were lesser human beings for not being able to pull enough DPS. And therefore they should be excluded. The thing is, though, is that if the more sociopathic quotient continues to exclude them, then they'd never have the chance to learn. I'm beginning to wonder if that's the point.

"Our content! Ours! OURS! No casualses! Precioussss~!"

Sigh.

This is a truly disturbing thread to read.

LadyNalcarya

AuldWolf wrote: »

There's an undercurrent here that's actually disturbing. I don't like it. Has anyone else spotted it?

It goes beyond an entitlement to treat anyone who isn't of the perceived "hardcore," or "meta," or what have you. It's so much more insidious than that, and that's why I keep bringing up the relevance of the dark triad to conversations like these. It's in how there's pride in mistreating people. It started off as just being unnerving but like a creeping vine it's grown into a dark cloud of fridge horror. Not a fan.

"I'm proud I'm badarse!", "I'm also proud I'm badarse!", "Let's be proud together, brother, and lord it over these plebs!"

There's just something truly problematic about it that reminds me of the attitudes of ableist and/or rich people. As though the other players were lesser human beings for not being able to pull enough DPS. And therefore they should be excluded. The thing is, though, is that if the more sociopathic quotient continues to exclude them, then they'd never have the chance to learn. I'm beginning to wonder if that's the point.

"Our content! Ours! OURS! No casualses! Precioussss~!"

Sigh.

This is a truly disturbing thread to read.

This is not a "dark triad". This is an unhealthy obsession with it.

UnKnowNKiLLeRR

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Soella wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

For the third day in a row on my healer, I get put into a veteran group with terrible DPS. One day despite maintaining minor berserk, minor and major resolve/ward, and keeping major breach applied all damn near 24/7, I was told I'm useless.

Actually, with all due respect, all you efforts was useless. It make sense to buff group DPS if it is already high. If it is low much more effective to DPS.

Guess you missed the part where I mentioned I was on a magden.

Healer not suppose to dps

DuskMarine

UnKnowNKiLLeRR wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Soella wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

For the third day in a row on my healer, I get put into a veteran group with terrible DPS. One day despite maintaining minor berserk, minor and major resolve/ward, and keeping major breach applied all damn near 24/7, I was told I'm useless.

Actually, with all due respect, all you efforts was useless. It make sense to buff group DPS if it is already high. If it is low much more effective to DPS.

Guess you missed the part where I mentioned I was on a magden.

Healer not suppose to dps

but there are builds that can and still heal quite well

ResTandRespeC

AuldWolf wrote: »

There's an undercurrent here that's actually disturbing. I don't like it. Has anyone else spotted it?

It goes beyond an entitlement to treat anyone who isn't of the perceived "hardcore," or "meta," or what have you. It's so much more insidious than that, and that's why I keep bringing up the relevance of the dark triad to conversations like these. It's in how there's pride in mistreating people. It started off as just being unnerving but like a creeping vine it's grown into a dark cloud of fridge horror. Not a fan.

"I'm proud I'm badarse!", "I'm also proud I'm badarse!", "Let's be proud together, brother, and lord it over these plebs!"

There's just something truly problematic about it that reminds me of the attitudes of ableist and/or rich people. As though the other players were lesser human beings for not being able to pull enough DPS. And therefore they should be excluded. The thing is, though, is that if the more sociopathic quotient continues to exclude them, then they'd never have the chance to learn. I'm beginning to wonder if that's the point.

"Our content! Ours! OURS! No casualses! Precioussss~!"

Sigh.

This is a truly disturbing thread to read.

No... What people are saying is to be mindful of other people. There's a dark undercurrent of people not thinking of others in anyway which is extremely clear when someone continuously ques into content they are not ready for because they feel entitled to do exactly what they want to do, when they want to, regardless of how it effects others.

See, it goes both ways and both sound equally "sociopathic".

No one said you need to be meta or bis, just pull your weight which is totally possible with neither. It's disturbing and kinda narcissistic that you cant see that lol.

Blackleopardex

IF you are gonna use the dungeon finder and have issues with low dps; go DD if you're alone or make sure to just take 1 DD you know with you... Problem solved.

On a side-note tho; It's not required to be a elitist to make sure you can actually do your part in a dungeon run, neither does it require a spreadsheet, calculations or 8000 play hours. I mean come on people, you don't join a game of football without knowing how to kick the ball... It takes 5 min to check and slot the decent skills to do your role... If everyone gave a *** nobody would have had fungal grotto completed. Don't expect to get carried... It's rude and disrespectful to the rest of the group.

Silver_Strider

I've more or less stop building my Dungeon Tanks/Healers in being Trial buff bots and just built them as DPS for PUGS. My tanks wear Heavy Julianos/Hundings + IA or even Alkosh because PUGs oddly enough seem to gravitate to using a lot of synergy skills that I can actually keep Alkosh on without it being a problem; A recent PUG run of vCOA2 had a Sorc DPS using Bone Shield, Blood Altar, Storm Atronach and Liquid Lightning, a Templar Healer that was a Shard Spammer, and a NB that only used Soul Tether when he wasn't Bow LAing, no other abilities (ok he was using Siege Shield, which just hurt my soul seeing) It was a painfully long run and I had to solo Skoria from 50% after we lost all the platforms since everyone else couldn't stay alive at that point. It was awful and just made it me realize that you cannot expect good ANYTHING in PUGs.

Drop Warhorn, Ebon, Olorime, etc going into PUGs, put on a more DPS oriented set up that doesn't completely neglect your role (keep a taunt if Tanking and heals for Healers) but get the most effective solo usage out of the set up as possible and go ham. If you see that everything is melting, THEN switch into a more supportive set up to help them out but if things are going poorly, just keep on going "solo".

DaveMoeDee

As a tank, I often experience groups with embarrassingly low dps. Fortunately, I don't get blamed for anything because it is more obvious when a tank is doing everything they are supposed to do. Judging a healer requires paying more attention. I usually stick it out with pug groups with the feeling that I can help them learn.

I did get burned bad though before a server shutdown when we died on the Mad Architect depite running past mobs after we saw the 15min announcement. Problem was each boss would take over 5 minutes due to really weak dps.

Conduit0

I find it equal parts sad and hilarious that some people think its "toxic" to expect someone that queues for VETERAN dungeons to be able to play their character at a competent level.

Guppet

Silver_Strider wrote: »

I've more or less stop building my Dungeon Tanks/Healers in being Trial buff bots and just built them as DPS for PUGS. My tanks wear Heavy Julianos/Hundings + IA or even Alkosh because PUGs oddly enough seem to gravitate to using a lot of synergy skills that I can actually keep Alkosh on without it being a problem; A recent PUG run of vCOA2 had a Sorc DPS using Bone Shield, Blood Altar, Storm Atronach and Liquid Lightning, a Templar Healer that was a Shard Spammer, and a NB that only used Soul Tether when he wasn't Bow LAing, no other abilities (ok he was using Siege Shield, which just hurt my soul seeing) It was a painfully long run and I had to solo Skoria from 50% after we lost all the platforms since everyone else couldn't stay alive at that point. It was awful and just made it me realize that you cannot expect good ANYTHING in PUGs.

Drop Warhorn, Ebon, Olorime, etc going into PUGs, put on a more DPS oriented set up that doesn't completely neglect your role (keep a taunt if Tanking and heals for Healers) but get the most effective solo usage out of the set up as possible and go ham. If you see that everything is melting, THEN switch into a more supportive set up to help them out but if things are going poorly, just keep on going "solo".

I find that as tank for pugs it’s actually quicker to gear for AOE rather than buffing the dps.

I use Baharas curse, thunderbug (seriously this puts out crazy AOE dps, more than most dps players lol). Then for monster Gravdar or swarm mother if I don’t want to have to spam leash.

Works wonders.

ChiknAriseMcFro

Hell, when I first started I got kicked just for existing with no explanation as to why. You make a solid validation for kicking or leaving. When I was a scrubby n00b I made it a point to get on le google and learn what I needed to so I could git gud. I roll as a healer myself and have noticed a lot of the same. Me not only healing but doing 90% of the dps while n00bs are just light attacking once every 10 seconds so they don't idle out.

Inarre

Cazzy wrote: »

As someone with a disability who occasionally struggles with group content; be helpful. Instead of just kicking try to help or find a solution for dps. If you just kick the problem is still there. Whereas if you are more helpful and understanding the issue can (usually) be resolved for you and future groups.

This doesn't apply to everyone. Some people are too elitist to recognise their mistakes - or, in my case, just physically unable to react quick enough at times.

I've never had to kick anyone. We've done vet content by communication and understanding. Quick runs should really be done with friends or guildies.

Just my two cents xx

I whole hardheartedly agree about trying to help.

I'm usually not too concerned generally when we get players in PUGs that have no clue. It's the ones that absolutely refuse to learn and take offense to every little hint and mechanic explanation that makes me want to claw my eyes out.

If only people were more receptive like you!

Eedat wrote: »

Lol I went from Mr. Nice Guy to Mr. *** Off at about my 100th time of trying to explain how Planar in vWGT works to PUGs. I literally used to have the rundown ready to copy and paste from my clipboard. The amount of people who (to me) seem to actively refuse to try to learn turned me pretty sour and now I rage quite easily at PUGs.

I've had guildmates tell me its bugged because the burning doesnt disappear.

When I try to explain the mechanics they tell me that they've done it tons of times.

*facepalm*

GarnetFire17

UnKnowNKiLLeRR wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Soella wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

For the third day in a row on my healer, I get put into a veteran group with terrible DPS. One day despite maintaining minor berserk, minor and major resolve/ward, and keeping major breach applied all damn near 24/7, I was told I'm useless.

Actually, with all due respect, all you efforts was useless. It make sense to buff group DPS if it is already high. If it is low much more effective to DPS.

Guess you missed the part where I mentioned I was on a magden.

Healer not suppose to dps

They can dps situationally.

JasmineMcCoy

As somebody who struggles to even get above 10k in the field, it's truly disheartening to read that, apparently, now a everybody and their dog can easily do 30k+ dps.

AbysmalGhul

JasmineMcCoy wrote: »

As somebody who struggles to even get above 10k in the field, it's truly disheartening to read that, apparently, now a everybody and their dog can easily do 30k+ dps.

Don't believe the lies. Most people can't pull 30k dps even with BIS.

kongkim

Posts like OP. its what made me don't what to play anymore, and only look back in from time to time.
Its people like that ruin the game for a lot.

LeagueTroll

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

JasmineMcCoy wrote: »

As somebody who struggles to even get above 10k in the field, it's truly disheartening to read that, apparently, now a everybody and their dog can easily do 30k+ dps.

Don't believe the lies. Most people can't pull 30k dps even with BIS.

More like lots doing 30k+ without bis gear and with little animation canceling. Dots + light attack magblade, ofc, dots + heavy attack mag sorc, same thing, dots + heavy stam dk or stam sorc also just fine.

Joker99

Bottom line is, if you do your part in a dungeon you will stay, if you don’t and also don’t want to take advice then the group should get rid of you.

If a casual want to queue for a veteran dungeon, then they better be prepared for it, nobody goes fishing without their rod first. Besides, a casual is a casual, what’s in the dungeon for them? If they want the completion maybe they aren’t casual, and should start looking into what goals they have and prepare for it, veteran is NOT for everyone.
WHY do people avoid the Meta I won’t ever understand, they don’t want to get even a functional build but they want to complete the hardest content? And why should people carry them to make them feel special if they don’t have as much respect for their mates to even put up something that works. These people that run their special snowflake builds have no business calling other people “toxic” and “elitists” because they won’t carry them. There sure are some people that are truly toxic, and I’ve met a fair share but they shouldn’t be associated with the rest of the community that runs dungeons and trials, most people are actually very happy to help others and progressive guilds are actually pretty chill, have a nice atmosphere and people form friendships, even in score runs mistakes are usually laughed off and nobody gets bullied.

I’ve spent 90% of my eso time in PVE and i’ve ran dungeons since lv 30, not queuing for veterans until cp160 and I’ve only been kicked ONCE in a vRoM as a cp600 magplar DD by one of the elitist people I’ve met. I’ve ran vCoS at around cp200 going fresh there and asked for advice, people explained mechanics, I pulled my weight (please note that “weight” doesn’t necessarily mean you have to pull 50% of the group dps, but to have good enough dps for a smooth run without shortcomings) and we succesfully got it down in a very timely fashion.

If however you are a casual and want to improve yourself to eventually run veteran dungeons and trials then joining a guild is your best bet, there are literally dozens of players that actually like helping people in the PVE scene so you won’t have trouble finding one.

AbysmalGhul

LeagueTroll wrote: »

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

JasmineMcCoy wrote: »

As somebody who struggles to even get above 10k in the field, it's truly disheartening to read that, apparently, now a everybody and their dog can easily do 30k+ dps.

Don't believe the lies. Most people can't pull 30k dps even with BIS.

More like lots doing 30k+ without bis gear and with little animation canceling. Dots + light attack magblade, ofc, dots + heavy attack mag sorc, same thing, dots + heavy stam dk or stam sorc also just fine.

Nope

LadyNalcarya

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

JasmineMcCoy wrote: »

As somebody who struggles to even get above 10k in the field, it's truly disheartening to read that, apparently, now a everybody and their dog can easily do 30k+ dps.

Don't believe the lies. Most people can't pull 30k dps even with BIS.

More like lots doing 30k+ without bis gear and with little animation canceling. Dots + light attack magblade, ofc, dots + heavy attack mag sorc, same thing, dots + heavy stam dk or stam sorc also just fine.

Nope

Yep. They buffed regular attacks, and anyone can use aoe skills. If you're having troubles doing so, check your settings>gameplay>quick cast ground abilities. Its "auto" by default, change it to "on".
Don't try to cancel animations of your skills at random. I've seen people who thought that you have to actually cancel every skill in the rotation by blocking or whatever, which led to very sad results. If you can't weave (that only means pressing light attack+skill instead of just skill), then dont. Put some dots on the ground (starting with the one that has highest duration), then use heavy attack. If a complicated rotation doesnt work for you, make it simplier. Build videos usually show combat metrics results so you can check which skills do the most damage and use them.
Also, mmo mouse (Razer naga, Logitech mmo mouse etc) helps a lot. It looks intimidating at fisrt, but its actually very comfortable.

Sibenice

JasmineMcCoy wrote: »

As somebody who struggles to even get above 10k in the field, it's truly disheartening to read that, apparently, now a everybody and their dog can easily do 30k+ dps.

I'd say the majority of people can't do 30k dps. The majority of people also don't step into content that needs that.

As far as yours specifically. Why don't you break down what you're wearing, what you're using.... class, race, skills, CP number and allocation, and what you think you're struggling with and I'm sure we can help you as with others in this thread who have brought up their specifics.

AbysmalGhul

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

JasmineMcCoy wrote: »

As somebody who struggles to even get above 10k in the field, it's truly disheartening to read that, apparently, now a everybody and their dog can easily do 30k+ dps.

Don't believe the lies. Most people can't pull 30k dps even with BIS.

More like lots doing 30k+ without bis gear and with little animation canceling. Dots + light attack magblade, ofc, dots + heavy attack mag sorc, same thing, dots + heavy stam dk or stam sorc also just fine.

Nope

Yep. They buffed regular attacks, and anyone can use aoe skills. If you're having troubles doing so, check your settings>gameplay>quick cast ground abilities. Its "auto" by default, change it to "on".
Don't try to cancel animations of your skills at random. I've seen people who thought that you have to actually cancel every skill in the rotation by blocking or whatever, which led to very sad results. If you can't weave (that only means pressing light attack+skill instead of just skill), then dont. Put some dots on the ground (starting with the one that has highest duration), then use heavy attack. If a complicated rotation doesnt work for you, make it simplier. Build videos usually show combat metrics results so you can check which skills do the most damage and use them.
Also, mmo mouse (Razer naga, Logitech mmo mouse etc) helps a lot. It looks intimidating at fisrt, but its actually very comfortable.

Personally I'm good, I didn't need a lesson. I'm just saying most people still can't do 30k