End the BiS Discrimination

WuffyCerulei

It's good to show that other races can do fine if you're not the best one for your role. Really. I have khajiit and argonian magicka dps. I've cleared all sorts of vet content on them. I also know cat and lizard people who've cleared stuff like vAS HM and Immortal redeemer.

Vapirko

starkerealm wrote: »

Darkstorne wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

However, you have to at least adhere to some of the rules if you want to be effective. You simply can't be an effective stam healer with a 2h and bow.

That's exactly the attitude that keeps me out of dungeons

You can! I based it on this build, which the guy used to successfully heal trials with. The bow works insanely well with Green Lotus because of it's fast light attack speed, and the range keeps you out of harm's way. The 2H bar is mostly for solo play, but I'd use it to keep minor heroism up where I can too for more Healing Thicket uptime. Though I'm sure I might be asked to swap the 2H bar out for a Destro staff exclusively for Elemental Drain, which would probably be fair.

Yeah, I've said it before, but Warden Stam Healers are a thing. I do prefer that build to the one I was rocking. Might have to dig up the PA pieces, but, that's snazzy.

That’s very cool no doubt, but even based on that thread it looks like it’s only viable in some normal trials and dungeons. I mean you can rip through even some vet HM dungeons without a healer. So when I say an “effective” healer I mean a healer that can stand up to the toughest content. By all means do whatever you want in normal dungeons, and to some extent trials, if you’re group is cool with it.

DanteYoda

What they should do with passives is allow us to choose passives as we create characters, yes it still would be cookie cutter but it would by pass all the stupidity we have now..

And it would suit a RPG more..

Facefister

DanteYoda wrote: »

What they should do with passives is allow us to choose passives as we create characters, yes it still would be cookie cutter but it would by pass all the stupidity we have now..

And it would suit a RPG more..

It wouldn't. It would throw away everything the races are specializing in.

Jules

ArchMikem wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

I mean, I know the majority of this thread is being yes men and telling you that you're right. But opinions aside, khajiit has no racial passives in its arsenal to synergize with magicka sorcerer. That's the bottom line. Because of this, that makes khajiit a pretty bad choice for mag sorc, completely and utterly without bias. That's just a statistical fact.

Now I don't advocate for just being unkind and kicking someone, nor do I think it really matters in 4man dungeons. However, I also don't think it makes sense to whine about how others evaluate your character, when its something you deliberately chose. Your race is a key component of how you choose to build your character, its one of the most crucial things you decide. And if you decide a race that makes absolutely no sense for the spec you're trying to play, people are going to notice. Can you really blame them?

Yes. I can. You give Racial Passives way to much credit, your ability to complete content does not rely on your Racials whatsoever. They're a bonus, that's it. Nothing more. So kicking an experienced player out of his queued Pledge and making him wait another 15 minutes just because he's a khajiit with a Staff is pathetic.

When the same type of players who critic me and people like me about not choosing the right class for dungeon content turn around and make threads and posts on here claiming that Maelstrom is so easy you can do it with a single spammable or using the broom and bucket?

I think my fully geared full CP MagSorc Khajiit with multiple Trial titles is just fine.

Again I never said kicking you out of the pledge was the right move, I said it was unkind. But their hesitation of you / your build seems fair to me. But again, you keep flexing this trials master stuff and its like, if this is so important to you and you feel so slighted by society telling you you're sub par - idk, maybe race change to an actual magicka race?

Nifty2g

ArchMikem wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

I mean, I know the majority of this thread is being yes men and telling you that you're right. But opinions aside, khajiit has no racial passives in its arsenal to synergize with magicka sorcerer. That's the bottom line. Because of this, that makes khajiit a pretty bad choice for mag sorc, completely and utterly without bias. That's just a statistical fact.

Now I don't advocate for just being unkind and kicking someone, nor do I think it really matters in 4man dungeons. However, I also don't think it makes sense to whine about how others evaluate your character, when its something you deliberately chose. Your race is a key component of how you choose to build your character, its one of the most crucial things you decide. And if you decide a race that makes absolutely no sense for the spec you're trying to play, people are going to notice. Can you really blame them?

Yes. I can. You give Racial Passives way to much credit, your ability to complete content does not rely on your Racials whatsoever. They're a bonus, that's it. Nothing more. So kicking an experienced player out of his queued Pledge and making him wait another 15 minutes just because he's a khajiit with a Staff is pathetic.

When the same type of players who critic me and people like me about not choosing the right class for dungeon content turn around and make threads and posts on here claiming that Maelstrom is so easy you can do it with a single spammable or using the broom and bucket?

I think my fully geared full CP MagSorc Khajiit with multiple Trial titles is just fine.

It's hilarious how you call people elitist while you're the one acting elitist because you can't see things from the other perspective. How about you accept that if some people don't want to play with others who aren't in best in slot set ups. And others don't care at all.

mb10

J'zargo would be very disappointed.

Shame on you discriminators!!

Luthivar

Jules wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

I mean, I know the majority of this thread is being yes men and telling you that you're right. But opinions aside, khajiit has no racial passives in its arsenal to synergize with magicka sorcerer. That's the bottom line. Because of this, that makes khajiit a pretty bad choice for mag sorc, completely and utterly without bias. That's just a statistical fact.

Now I don't advocate for just being unkind and kicking someone, nor do I think it really matters in 4man dungeons. However, I also don't think it makes sense to whine about how others evaluate your character, when its something you deliberately chose. Your race is a key component of how you choose to build your character, its one of the most crucial things you decide. And if you decide a race that makes absolutely no sense for the spec you're trying to play, people are going to notice. Can you really blame them?

Yes. I can. You give Racial Passives way to much credit, your ability to complete content does not rely on your Racials whatsoever. They're a bonus, that's it. Nothing more. So kicking an experienced player out of his queued Pledge and making him wait another 15 minutes just because he's a khajiit with a Staff is pathetic.

When the same type of players who critic me and people like me about not choosing the right class for dungeon content turn around and make threads and posts on here claiming that Maelstrom is so easy you can do it with a single spammable or using the broom and bucket?

I think my fully geared full CP MagSorc Khajiit with multiple Trial titles is just fine.

Again I never said kicking you out of the pledge was the right move, I said it was unkind. But their hesitation of you / your build seems fair to me. But again, you keep flexing this trials master stuff and its like, if this is so important to you and you feel so slighted by society telling you you're sub par - idk, maybe race change to an actual magicka race?

Actually, there are Khajiit-only players outside. A friend of mune heals with one of her khajiits, another tanks with his. Race shouldn't be a problem at all, if the player knows his role and how to play it. But it's up to you whom you kick from your game. Just think a while about the player's feelings and that we all started inexperienced. If such players join vet dungeons, please don't kick them without telling a word (doesn't help them at all, give them some advice and treat them kindly). And second, don't kick someone just because you think his race doesn't fit his role/weapon type. Give them a chance, watch them playing.

ArchMikem

Nifty2g wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

I mean, I know the majority of this thread is being yes men and telling you that you're right. But opinions aside, khajiit has no racial passives in its arsenal to synergize with magicka sorcerer. That's the bottom line. Because of this, that makes khajiit a pretty bad choice for mag sorc, completely and utterly without bias. That's just a statistical fact.

Now I don't advocate for just being unkind and kicking someone, nor do I think it really matters in 4man dungeons. However, I also don't think it makes sense to whine about how others evaluate your character, when its something you deliberately chose. Your race is a key component of how you choose to build your character, its one of the most crucial things you decide. And if you decide a race that makes absolutely no sense for the spec you're trying to play, people are going to notice. Can you really blame them?

Yes. I can. You give Racial Passives way to much credit, your ability to complete content does not rely on your Racials whatsoever. They're a bonus, that's it. Nothing more. So kicking an experienced player out of his queued Pledge and making him wait another 15 minutes just because he's a khajiit with a Staff is pathetic.

When the same type of players who critic me and people like me about not choosing the right class for dungeon content turn around and make threads and posts on here claiming that Maelstrom is so easy you can do it with a single spammable or using the broom and bucket?

I think my fully geared full CP MagSorc Khajiit with multiple Trial titles is just fine.

It's hilarious how you call people elitist while you're the one acting elitist because you can't see things from the other perspective. How about you accept that if some people don't want to play with others who aren't in best in slot set ups. And others don't care at all.

If you reread you'll notice i didn't use the word "elitist" anywhere.

Me believing players should give others a chance before being superficial and immediately kicking them to unfair queue cooldown timers is nowhere near being "elitist" either. Its called being a decent person.

TourismTamriel

pteam wrote: »

@TourismTamriel So wait you know that the transmutation set grants your allies CRIT resistance and in pve the enemies don’t have critical hits.... so your literally using a set that does NOTHING for the 5th piece bonus....

But when people say “he does fine, even in trials” I know they’re not doing vet trials like vhof, vcr, etc etc and they’re prob doing normal AA and normal hrc trials where you could literally wear training gear and still clear it.

I'm aware of that, I use it because I sometimes play pvp and don't feel like having multiple sets to switch between. Also why I pointed out that literally none of my gear is the "ideal". You don't *have* to be running two 5 peice bonuses to take part in literally any of the content.

I also added the disclaimer: I don't take part in trial runs that are going for leaderboards or whatever. We complete content fine, with efficient healing. That's all that is asked of me. Get off your histrionics horse.

CompM4s

Race doesnt have a huge impact on builds in my opinion. Maybe for top leaderboard vet trial runs, but definetly not for completions.

DanteYoda

Facefister wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

What they should do with passives is allow us to choose passives as we create characters, yes it still would be cookie cutter but it would by pass all the stupidity we have now..

And it would suit a RPG more..

It wouldn't. It would throw away everything the races are specializing in.

And what exactly do they specialize in other than Stamina and Magicka damage... Seriously as it is now there is no specialization outside of those two items..

Elsonso

DanteYoda wrote: »

Facefister wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

What they should do with passives is allow us to choose passives as we create characters, yes it still would be cookie cutter but it would by pass all the stupidity we have now..

And it would suit a RPG more..

It wouldn't. It would throw away everything the races are specializing in.

And what exactly do they specialize in other than Stamina and Magicka damage... Seriously as it is now there is no specialization outside of those two items..

Doesn't that pretty much speak for the whole game, in general? Or, is that what you meant?