What’s truly the most powerful class right now?

Amdar_Godkiller

Stamplar (I actually just hate PotL)

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Leaderboards in my campaign are basically entirely composed of Templars (14) and Nightblades (11), with 3 Sorcs, 2 Wardens, and 0 DKs. I'm on console though, so hopefully the Summerset patch will restore some balance to the universe by nerfing NBs and Templars to Oblivion. Stamplars only weakness is sustain, which is literally the easiest weakness to build around considering their primary attack only has to be activated like once every 4 seconds. A good player can play well with any of the classes, but for a bad player to do so, this is only possible on a Stamplar.

Magplar doesn’t need any nerfs, leaderboards aren’t even a representation of how well the classes are doing. When magnb was considered dead the leaderboards were still dominated by them.

Magblade has never been close to being dead in PVP. It's consistently been one of the most streamed classes and historically is probably only behind MagSorc in that respect.

Clearly I'm specifying Stamplar here, but that doesn't change the fact that the ability to wrack up AP as a Templar much faster than other classes is unbalanced. It's a clear and obvious measure of their superior healing ability and group utility. This needs to be massively nerfed. Stamplars just need their damage to be toned down.

CatchMeTrolling

Stamblade (I got ganked)

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Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Leaderboards in my campaign are basically entirely composed of Templars (14) and Nightblades (11), with 3 Sorcs, 2 Wardens, and 0 DKs. I'm on console though, so hopefully the Summerset patch will restore some balance to the universe by nerfing NBs and Templars to Oblivion. Stamplars only weakness is sustain, which is literally the easiest weakness to build around considering their primary attack only has to be activated like once every 4 seconds. A good player can play well with any of the classes, but for a bad player to do so, this is only possible on a Stamplar.

Magplar doesn’t need any nerfs, leaderboards aren’t even a representation of how well the classes are doing. When magnb was considered dead the leaderboards were still dominated by them.

Magblade has never been close to being dead in PVP. It's consistently been one of the most streamed classes and historically is probably only behind MagSorc in that respect.

Clearly I'm specifying Stamplar here, but that doesn't change the fact that the ability to wrack up AP as a Templar much faster than other classes is unbalanced. It's a clear and obvious measure of their superior healing ability and group utility. This needs to be massively nerfed. Stamplars just need their damage to be toned down.

I don’t know where you have been but in 2016 magblade was considered the worst class in the game for open world. That was the general consensus back then. There was plenty of threads about it on these very forums.

Magblade bombing has been the most common emp in the game, much more prevalent than magplar. And superior healing ? You mean bol that has been nerfed directly and indirectly multiple times? Don’t confuse superior healing with over performing sets and things that aren’t exclusive to Templars.

Stamplar damage is fine.

Amdar_Godkiller

Stamplar (I actually just hate PotL)

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Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Leaderboards in my campaign are basically entirely composed of Templars (14) and Nightblades (11), with 3 Sorcs, 2 Wardens, and 0 DKs. I'm on console though, so hopefully the Summerset patch will restore some balance to the universe by nerfing NBs and Templars to Oblivion. Stamplars only weakness is sustain, which is literally the easiest weakness to build around considering their primary attack only has to be activated like once every 4 seconds. A good player can play well with any of the classes, but for a bad player to do so, this is only possible on a Stamplar.

Magplar doesn’t need any nerfs, leaderboards aren’t even a representation of how well the classes are doing. When magnb was considered dead the leaderboards were still dominated by them.

Magblade has never been close to being dead in PVP. It's consistently been one of the most streamed classes and historically is probably only behind MagSorc in that respect.

Clearly I'm specifying Stamplar here, but that doesn't change the fact that the ability to wrack up AP as a Templar much faster than other classes is unbalanced. It's a clear and obvious measure of their superior healing ability and group utility. This needs to be massively nerfed. Stamplars just need their damage to be toned down.

I don’t know where you have been but in 2016 magblade was considered the worst class in the game for open world. That was the general consensus back then. There was plenty of threads about it on these very forums.

Magblade bombing has been the most common emp in the game, much more prevalent than magplar. And superior healing ? You mean bol that has been nerfed directly and indirectly multiple times? Don’t confuse superior healing with over performing sets and things that aren’t exclusive to Templars.

Stamplar damage is fine.

I've played since console release. Magblades have always whined that they were underpowered on the forums. They do that to this day, as does every other class; but none even half as much as NBs.

The issues are eclipse, solar flare, jabs/sweeps (though sweeps have seemed to be doing a bit less damage to me of late), potl, and purge; not bol or even radiant destruction (which should probably be buffed IMO, as should javelin). Templars reflect and heal from direct damage and can purge dots, plus they do still have the strongest burst heal in the game, and can apply high melee pressure for the least amount of resources of any class in the game with a skill that will drain your entire stamina pool if you so much as try to block it. They also have the best passives of any class for PVP with bonuses to weapon damage, critical damage, cost reduction, utlimate generation, mitigation, and healing.

CatchMeTrolling

Stamblade (I got ganked)

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Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Leaderboards in my campaign are basically entirely composed of Templars (14) and Nightblades (11), with 3 Sorcs, 2 Wardens, and 0 DKs. I'm on console though, so hopefully the Summerset patch will restore some balance to the universe by nerfing NBs and Templars to Oblivion. Stamplars only weakness is sustain, which is literally the easiest weakness to build around considering their primary attack only has to be activated like once every 4 seconds. A good player can play well with any of the classes, but for a bad player to do so, this is only possible on a Stamplar.

Magplar doesn’t need any nerfs, leaderboards aren’t even a representation of how well the classes are doing. When magnb was considered dead the leaderboards were still dominated by them.

Magblade has never been close to being dead in PVP. It's consistently been one of the most streamed classes and historically is probably only behind MagSorc in that respect.

Clearly I'm specifying Stamplar here, but that doesn't change the fact that the ability to wrack up AP as a Templar much faster than other classes is unbalanced. It's a clear and obvious measure of their superior healing ability and group utility. This needs to be massively nerfed. Stamplars just need their damage to be toned down.

I don’t know where you have been but in 2016 magblade was considered the worst class in the game for open world. That was the general consensus back then. There was plenty of threads about it on these very forums.

Magblade bombing has been the most common emp in the game, much more prevalent than magplar. And superior healing ? You mean bol that has been nerfed directly and indirectly multiple times? Don’t confuse superior healing with over performing sets and things that aren’t exclusive to Templars.

Stamplar damage is fine.

I've played since console release. Magblades have always whined that they were underpowered on the forums. They do that to this day, as does every other class; but none even half as much as NBs.

The issues are eclipse, solar flare, jabs/sweeps (though sweeps have seemed to be doing a bit less damage to me of late), potl, and purge; not bol or even radiant destruction (which should probably be buffed IMO, as should javelin). Templars reflect and heal from direct damage and can purge dots, plus they do still have the strongest burst heal in the game, and can apply high melee pressure for the least amount of resources of any class in the game with a skill that will drain your entire stamina pool if you so much as try to block it. They also have the best passives of any class for PVP with bonuses to weapon damage, critical damage, cost reduction, utlimate generation, mitigation, and healing.

Yeah sure but it wasn’t just magblade mains complaining, this is how a lot of people felt. This was when you could outplay someone on a magblade and still die. The meta back then just didn’t favor magblades, heavy armor was out of control, cloak didn’t work half of the time, and proc sets was rampant; not to mention a certain monster set snaring them to death.

Hold on, you think Templars have the best pvp passives? Did nbs die out ? Wardens ? Even sorcs? Lol

Amdar_Godkiller

Stamplar (I actually just hate PotL)

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Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Leaderboards in my campaign are basically entirely composed of Templars (14) and Nightblades (11), with 3 Sorcs, 2 Wardens, and 0 DKs. I'm on console though, so hopefully the Summerset patch will restore some balance to the universe by nerfing NBs and Templars to Oblivion. Stamplars only weakness is sustain, which is literally the easiest weakness to build around considering their primary attack only has to be activated like once every 4 seconds. A good player can play well with any of the classes, but for a bad player to do so, this is only possible on a Stamplar.

Magplar doesn’t need any nerfs, leaderboards aren’t even a representation of how well the classes are doing. When magnb was considered dead the leaderboards were still dominated by them.

Magblade has never been close to being dead in PVP. It's consistently been one of the most streamed classes and historically is probably only behind MagSorc in that respect.

Clearly I'm specifying Stamplar here, but that doesn't change the fact that the ability to wrack up AP as a Templar much faster than other classes is unbalanced. It's a clear and obvious measure of their superior healing ability and group utility. This needs to be massively nerfed. Stamplars just need their damage to be toned down.

I don’t know where you have been but in 2016 magblade was considered the worst class in the game for open world. That was the general consensus back then. There was plenty of threads about it on these very forums.

Magblade bombing has been the most common emp in the game, much more prevalent than magplar. And superior healing ? You mean bol that has been nerfed directly and indirectly multiple times? Don’t confuse superior healing with over performing sets and things that aren’t exclusive to Templars.

Stamplar damage is fine.

I've played since console release. Magblades have always whined that they were underpowered on the forums. They do that to this day, as does every other class; but none even half as much as NBs.

The issues are eclipse, solar flare, jabs/sweeps (though sweeps have seemed to be doing a bit less damage to me of late), potl, and purge; not bol or even radiant destruction (which should probably be buffed IMO, as should javelin). Templars reflect and heal from direct damage and can purge dots, plus they do still have the strongest burst heal in the game, and can apply high melee pressure for the least amount of resources of any class in the game with a skill that will drain your entire stamina pool if you so much as try to block it. They also have the best passives of any class for PVP with bonuses to weapon damage, critical damage, cost reduction, utlimate generation, mitigation, and healing.

Yeah sure but it wasn’t just magblade mains complaining, this is how a lot of people felt. This was when you can outplay someone on a magblade and still die. The meta back then just didn’t favor magblades, heavy armor was out of control, cloak didn’t work half of the time, and proc sets was rampant; not to mention a certain monster set snaring them to death.

Hold on, you think Templars have the best pvp passives? Did nbs die out ? Wardens ? Even sorcs? Lol

Please show me all the OP Warden passives. There are a few good healing passives and some so-so animal companions damage passives, but overall, it's uninspired. Is it the one that gives a morsel of health every time my bear dies, which of course means within 4 seconds of summoning his insta-dying ass? Or maybe the one that increases my chances of procing the chilled status effect from 1% per tick to 3% per tick on the one Winter's embrace skill used to deal damage? Maybe it's the 15% snare reduction which does come in handy against templars since every skill seemingly applies a snare?

Sorcs and NBs have great passives. DKs and Wardens have terrible passives. Templars however have by far the fewest underwhelming passives of any class and the most truly desirable ones.

Cadbury

Stamblade (I got ganked)

Stamblade still in the lead.Gogogo

CatchMeTrolling

Stamblade (I got ganked)

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

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Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

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Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

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Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Leaderboards in my campaign are basically entirely composed of Templars (14) and Nightblades (11), with 3 Sorcs, 2 Wardens, and 0 DKs. I'm on console though, so hopefully the Summerset patch will restore some balance to the universe by nerfing NBs and Templars to Oblivion. Stamplars only weakness is sustain, which is literally the easiest weakness to build around considering their primary attack only has to be activated like once every 4 seconds. A good player can play well with any of the classes, but for a bad player to do so, this is only possible on a Stamplar.

Magplar doesn’t need any nerfs, leaderboards aren’t even a representation of how well the classes are doing. When magnb was considered dead the leaderboards were still dominated by them.

Magblade has never been close to being dead in PVP. It's consistently been one of the most streamed classes and historically is probably only behind MagSorc in that respect.

Clearly I'm specifying Stamplar here, but that doesn't change the fact that the ability to wrack up AP as a Templar much faster than other classes is unbalanced. It's a clear and obvious measure of their superior healing ability and group utility. This needs to be massively nerfed. Stamplars just need their damage to be toned down.

I don’t know where you have been but in 2016 magblade was considered the worst class in the game for open world. That was the general consensus back then. There was plenty of threads about it on these very forums.

Magblade bombing has been the most common emp in the game, much more prevalent than magplar. And superior healing ? You mean bol that has been nerfed directly and indirectly multiple times? Don’t confuse superior healing with over performing sets and things that aren’t exclusive to Templars.

Stamplar damage is fine.

I've played since console release. Magblades have always whined that they were underpowered on the forums. They do that to this day, as does every other class; but none even half as much as NBs.

The issues are eclipse, solar flare, jabs/sweeps (though sweeps have seemed to be doing a bit less damage to me of late), potl, and purge; not bol or even radiant destruction (which should probably be buffed IMO, as should javelin). Templars reflect and heal from direct damage and can purge dots, plus they do still have the strongest burst heal in the game, and can apply high melee pressure for the least amount of resources of any class in the game with a skill that will drain your entire stamina pool if you so much as try to block it. They also have the best passives of any class for PVP with bonuses to weapon damage, critical damage, cost reduction, utlimate generation, mitigation, and healing.

Yeah sure but it wasn’t just magblade mains complaining, this is how a lot of people felt. This was when you can outplay someone on a magblade and still die. The meta back then just didn’t favor magblades, heavy armor was out of control, cloak didn’t work half of the time, and proc sets was rampant; not to mention a certain monster set snaring them to death.

Hold on, you think Templars have the best pvp passives? Did nbs die out ? Wardens ? Even sorcs? Lol

Please show me all the OP Warden passives. There are a few good healing passives and some so-so animal companions damage passives, but overall, it's uninspired. Is it the one that gives a morsel of health every time my bear dies, which of course means within 4 seconds of summoning his insta-dying ass? Or maybe the one that increases my chances of procing the chilled status effect from 1% per tick to 3% per tick on the one Winter's embrace skill used to deal damage? Maybe it's the 15% snare reduction which does come in handy against templars since every skill seemingly applies a snare?

Sorcs and NBs have great passives. DKs and Wardens have terrible passives. Templars however have by far the fewest underwhelming passives of any class and the most truly desirable ones.

Didn’t say op but they benefit from every healing passive and have some use for the ice passive section, the animal passives is the only section lacking, albeit they still benefit more than a stamplar. Plus, let’s not forget the fact their passives can’t be on the level of a nb because they have every beneficial major buff at their disposal.

Passives are only half of the story anyways. But Templars don’t have the most desirable ones. Nbs have the most desirable passives and the best synergy.

thankyourat

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Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Leaderboards in my campaign are basically entirely composed of Templars (14) and Nightblades (11), with 3 Sorcs, 2 Wardens, and 0 DKs. I'm on console though, so hopefully the Summerset patch will restore some balance to the universe by nerfing NBs and Templars to Oblivion. Stamplars only weakness is sustain, which is literally the easiest weakness to build around considering their primary attack only has to be activated like once every 4 seconds. A good player can play well with any of the classes, but for a bad player to do so, this is only possible on a Stamplar.

Magplar doesn’t need any nerfs, leaderboards aren’t even a representation of how well the classes are doing. When magnb was considered dead the leaderboards were still dominated by them.

Magblade has never been close to being dead in PVP. It's consistently been one of the most streamed classes and historically is probably only behind MagSorc in that respect.

Clearly I'm specifying Stamplar here, but that doesn't change the fact that the ability to wrack up AP as a Templar much faster than other classes is unbalanced. It's a clear and obvious measure of their superior healing ability and group utility. This needs to be massively nerfed. Stamplars just need their damage to be toned down.

Magblade was considered dead from dark brotherhood up until almost Morrowind. Basically after the cloak nerf when uppercut and gap closers we're breaking cloak as well as not removing snares. Most people considered magblade dead for PvP. It has always had its niche as a bomber though. Magblade is probably the least streamed class. Even now with magblade being viable you still don't see many magblades doing small scale PvP because of how the class works no unavoidable damage, all damage is reflectable no snare or root removal, burst damage is backloaded with no way to land multiple attacks in 1gcd. You'll basically have an easier time playing all the stamina classes. LDK's and wardens can basically nullify projectiles. So even though magblade has it's strengths it also has alot of weaknesses. There are still fights you won't be able to win simply because you are a magblade. The only other class that's like that is magplar.

Magplars have superior healing and group utility but they're lacking in crowd control and damage. That's balanced

CyrusArya

Magsorc (I live in 2016)

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Leaderboards in my campaign are basically entirely composed of Templars (14) and Nightblades (11), with 3 Sorcs, 2 Wardens, and 0 DKs. I'm on console though, so hopefully the Summerset patch will restore some balance to the universe by nerfing NBs and Templars to Oblivion. Stamplars only weakness is sustain, which is literally the easiest weakness to build around considering their primary attack only has to be activated like once every 4 seconds. A good player can play well with any of the classes, but for a bad player to do so, this is only possible on a Stamplar.

If you are evaluating class performance by AP leaderboards, well that alone should really disqualify your opinion on this particular thread. But your conclusion really couldn’t be farther from the truth. Stamplar can be quite strong in the right hands, yes. But it is also easily one of if not the hardest stam class to play. If stamplar was so easy and forgiving of a class, it would be way more prevalent in cyrodiil when in fact it is one of the rarest specs. Nightblades and Sorcs are all over the place and there is a reason for that. Stamplar can be good, in experienced hands, but overall is a solid tier below stamblade, stamden, and mag sorc.

Don’t take my word for it...just look at the poll. You’re arguing that the class with 1% of votes is the most powerful...literally the lowest count in this entire discussion lol. Either everyone here is clueless or you are.

Amdar_Godkiller

Stamplar (I actually just hate PotL)

CyrusArya wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Leaderboards in my campaign are basically entirely composed of Templars (14) and Nightblades (11), with 3 Sorcs, 2 Wardens, and 0 DKs. I'm on console though, so hopefully the Summerset patch will restore some balance to the universe by nerfing NBs and Templars to Oblivion. Stamplars only weakness is sustain, which is literally the easiest weakness to build around considering their primary attack only has to be activated like once every 4 seconds. A good player can play well with any of the classes, but for a bad player to do so, this is only possible on a Stamplar.

If you are evaluating class performance by AP leaderboards, well that alone should really disqualify your opinion on this particular thread. But your conclusion really couldn’t be farther from the truth. Stamplar can be quite strong in the right hands, yes. But it is also easily one of if not the hardest stam class to play. If stamplar was so easy and forgiving of a class, it would be way more prevalent in cyrodiil when in fact it is one of the rarest specs. Nightblades and Sorcs are all over the place and there is a reason for that. Stamplar can be good, in experienced hands, but overall is a solid tier below stamblade, stamden, and mag sorc.

Don’t take my word for it...just look at the poll. You’re arguing that the class with 1% of votes is the most powerful...literally the lowest count in this entire discussion lol. Either everyone here is clueless or you are.

Don't know what game your playing, but stamplar is the second most popular stam class behind only stamblade. If you think otherwise, then it's your opinion that is completely disregardable.

Amdar_Godkiller

Stamplar (I actually just hate PotL)

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CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Leaderboards in my campaign are basically entirely composed of Templars (14) and Nightblades (11), with 3 Sorcs, 2 Wardens, and 0 DKs. I'm on console though, so hopefully the Summerset patch will restore some balance to the universe by nerfing NBs and Templars to Oblivion. Stamplars only weakness is sustain, which is literally the easiest weakness to build around considering their primary attack only has to be activated like once every 4 seconds. A good player can play well with any of the classes, but for a bad player to do so, this is only possible on a Stamplar.

Magplar doesn’t need any nerfs, leaderboards aren’t even a representation of how well the classes are doing. When magnb was considered dead the leaderboards were still dominated by them.

Magblade has never been close to being dead in PVP. It's consistently been one of the most streamed classes and historically is probably only behind MagSorc in that respect.

Clearly I'm specifying Stamplar here, but that doesn't change the fact that the ability to wrack up AP as a Templar much faster than other classes is unbalanced. It's a clear and obvious measure of their superior healing ability and group utility. This needs to be massively nerfed. Stamplars just need their damage to be toned down.

Magblade was considered dead from dark brotherhood up until almost Morrowind. Basically after the cloak nerf when uppercut and gap closers we're breaking cloak as well as not removing snares. Most people considered magblade dead for PvP. It has always had its niche as a bomber though. Magblade is probably the least streamed class. Even now with magblade being viable you still don't see many magblades doing small scale PvP because of how the class works no unavoidable damage, all damage is reflectable no snare or root removal, burst damage is backloaded with no way to land multiple attacks in 1gcd. You'll basically have an easier time playing all the stamina classes. LDK's and wardens can basically nullify projectiles. So even though magblade has it's strengths it also has alot of weaknesses. There are still fights you won't be able to win simply because you are a magblade. The only other class that's like that is magplar.

Magplars have superior healing and group utility but they're lacking in crowd control and damage. That's balanced

Stam DK is weaker than both. Don't kid yourself.

Thogard

Stamblade (I got ganked)

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Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Leaderboards in my campaign are basically entirely composed of Templars (14) and Nightblades (11), with 3 Sorcs, 2 Wardens, and 0 DKs. I'm on console though, so hopefully the Summerset patch will restore some balance to the universe by nerfing NBs and Templars to Oblivion. Stamplars only weakness is sustain, which is literally the easiest weakness to build around considering their primary attack only has to be activated like once every 4 seconds. A good player can play well with any of the classes, but for a bad player to do so, this is only possible on a Stamplar.

Magplar doesn’t need any nerfs, leaderboards aren’t even a representation of how well the classes are doing. When magnb was considered dead the leaderboards were still dominated by them.

Magblade has never been close to being dead in PVP. It's consistently been one of the most streamed classes and historically is probably only behind MagSorc in that respect.

Clearly I'm specifying Stamplar here, but that doesn't change the fact that the ability to wrack up AP as a Templar much faster than other classes is unbalanced. It's a clear and obvious measure of their superior healing ability and group utility. This needs to be massively nerfed. Stamplars just need their damage to be toned down.

Magblade was considered dead from dark brotherhood up until almost Morrowind. Basically after the cloak nerf when uppercut and gap closers we're breaking cloak as well as not removing snares. Most people considered magblade dead for PvP. It has always had its niche as a bomber though. Magblade is probably the least streamed class. Even now with magblade being viable you still don't see many magblades doing small scale PvP because of how the class works no unavoidable damage, all damage is reflectable no snare or root removal, burst damage is backloaded with no way to land multiple attacks in 1gcd. You'll basically have an easier time playing all the stamina classes. LDK's and wardens can basically nullify projectiles. So even though magblade has it's strengths it also has alot of weaknesses. There are still fights you won't be able to win simply because you are a magblade. The only other class that's like that is magplar.

Magplars have superior healing and group utility but they're lacking in crowd control and damage. That's balanced

Stam DK is weaker than both. Don't kid yourself.

Stam DK is good 1v1 though.

Gprime31

It’s not the class it’s who plays it, ex a bad player as a night blade is no threat, a good player however is why it’s the most voted.... so there you have it

Amdar_Godkiller

Stamplar (I actually just hate PotL)

Thogard wrote: »

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thankyourat wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Leaderboards in my campaign are basically entirely composed of Templars (14) and Nightblades (11), with 3 Sorcs, 2 Wardens, and 0 DKs. I'm on console though, so hopefully the Summerset patch will restore some balance to the universe by nerfing NBs and Templars to Oblivion. Stamplars only weakness is sustain, which is literally the easiest weakness to build around considering their primary attack only has to be activated like once every 4 seconds. A good player can play well with any of the classes, but for a bad player to do so, this is only possible on a Stamplar.

Magplar doesn’t need any nerfs, leaderboards aren’t even a representation of how well the classes are doing. When magnb was considered dead the leaderboards were still dominated by them.

Magblade has never been close to being dead in PVP. It's consistently been one of the most streamed classes and historically is probably only behind MagSorc in that respect.

Clearly I'm specifying Stamplar here, but that doesn't change the fact that the ability to wrack up AP as a Templar much faster than other classes is unbalanced. It's a clear and obvious measure of their superior healing ability and group utility. This needs to be massively nerfed. Stamplars just need their damage to be toned down.

Magblade was considered dead from dark brotherhood up until almost Morrowind. Basically after the cloak nerf when uppercut and gap closers we're breaking cloak as well as not removing snares. Most people considered magblade dead for PvP. It has always had its niche as a bomber though. Magblade is probably the least streamed class. Even now with magblade being viable you still don't see many magblades doing small scale PvP because of how the class works no unavoidable damage, all damage is reflectable no snare or root removal, burst damage is backloaded with no way to land multiple attacks in 1gcd. You'll basically have an easier time playing all the stamina classes. LDK's and wardens can basically nullify projectiles. So even though magblade has it's strengths it also has alot of weaknesses. There are still fights you won't be able to win simply because you are a magblade. The only other class that's like that is magplar.

Magplars have superior healing and group utility but they're lacking in crowd control and damage. That's balanced

Stam DK is weaker than both. Don't kid yourself.

Stam DK is good 1v1 though.

Some. Not most.

IZZEFlameLash

Stamblade (I got ganked)

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Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Leaderboards in my campaign are basically entirely composed of Templars (14) and Nightblades (11), with 3 Sorcs, 2 Wardens, and 0 DKs. I'm on console though, so hopefully the Summerset patch will restore some balance to the universe by nerfing NBs and Templars to Oblivion. Stamplars only weakness is sustain, which is literally the easiest weakness to build around considering their primary attack only has to be activated like once every 4 seconds. A good player can play well with any of the classes, but for a bad player to do so, this is only possible on a Stamplar.

Magplar doesn’t need any nerfs, leaderboards aren’t even a representation of how well the classes are doing. When magnb was considered dead the leaderboards were still dominated by them.

Magblade has never been close to being dead in PVP. It's consistently been one of the most streamed classes and historically is probably only behind MagSorc in that respect.

Clearly I'm specifying Stamplar here, but that doesn't change the fact that the ability to wrack up AP as a Templar much faster than other classes is unbalanced. It's a clear and obvious measure of their superior healing ability and group utility. This needs to be massively nerfed. Stamplars just need their damage to be toned down.

Magblade was considered dead from dark brotherhood up until almost Morrowind. Basically after the cloak nerf when uppercut and gap closers we're breaking cloak as well as not removing snares. Most people considered magblade dead for PvP. It has always had its niche as a bomber though. Magblade is probably the least streamed class. Even now with magblade being viable you still don't see many magblades doing small scale PvP because of how the class works no unavoidable damage, all damage is reflectable no snare or root removal, burst damage is backloaded with no way to land multiple attacks in 1gcd. You'll basically have an easier time playing all the stamina classes. LDK's and wardens can basically nullify projectiles. So even though magblade has it's strengths it also has alot of weaknesses. There are still fights you won't be able to win simply because you are a magblade. The only other class that's like that is magplar.

Magplars have superior healing and group utility but they're lacking in crowd control and damage. That's balanced

Stam DK is weaker than both. Don't kid yourself.

Stam DK is good 1v1 though.

Nerf DKs amirite?

ChildOfLight

Magsorc (I live in 2016)

Thogard wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Leaderboards in my campaign are basically entirely composed of Templars (14) and Nightblades (11), with 3 Sorcs, 2 Wardens, and 0 DKs. I'm on console though, so hopefully the Summerset patch will restore some balance to the universe by nerfing NBs and Templars to Oblivion. Stamplars only weakness is sustain, which is literally the easiest weakness to build around considering their primary attack only has to be activated like once every 4 seconds. A good player can play well with any of the classes, but for a bad player to do so, this is only possible on a Stamplar.

Magplar doesn’t need any nerfs, leaderboards aren’t even a representation of how well the classes are doing. When magnb was considered dead the leaderboards were still dominated by them.

Magblade has never been close to being dead in PVP. It's consistently been one of the most streamed classes and historically is probably only behind MagSorc in that respect.

Clearly I'm specifying Stamplar here, but that doesn't change the fact that the ability to wrack up AP as a Templar much faster than other classes is unbalanced. It's a clear and obvious measure of their superior healing ability and group utility. This needs to be massively nerfed. Stamplars just need their damage to be toned down.

Magblade was considered dead from dark brotherhood up until almost Morrowind. Basically after the cloak nerf when uppercut and gap closers we're breaking cloak as well as not removing snares. Most people considered magblade dead for PvP. It has always had its niche as a bomber though. Magblade is probably the least streamed class. Even now with magblade being viable you still don't see many magblades doing small scale PvP because of how the class works no unavoidable damage, all damage is reflectable no snare or root removal, burst damage is backloaded with no way to land multiple attacks in 1gcd. You'll basically have an easier time playing all the stamina classes. LDK's and wardens can basically nullify projectiles. So even though magblade has it's strengths it also has alot of weaknesses. There are still fights you won't be able to win simply because you are a magblade. The only other class that's like that is magplar.

Magplars have superior healing and group utility but they're lacking in crowd control and damage. That's balanced

Stam DK is weaker than both. Don't kid yourself.

Stam DK is good 1v1 though.

I would say "viable"

Eg. Heavy armor NBs are far better at dueling. And at everything else in general.

Edziu

ChildOfLight wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Leaderboards in my campaign are basically entirely composed of Templars (14) and Nightblades (11), with 3 Sorcs, 2 Wardens, and 0 DKs. I'm on console though, so hopefully the Summerset patch will restore some balance to the universe by nerfing NBs and Templars to Oblivion. Stamplars only weakness is sustain, which is literally the easiest weakness to build around considering their primary attack only has to be activated like once every 4 seconds. A good player can play well with any of the classes, but for a bad player to do so, this is only possible on a Stamplar.

Magplar doesn’t need any nerfs, leaderboards aren’t even a representation of how well the classes are doing. When magnb was considered dead the leaderboards were still dominated by them.

Magblade has never been close to being dead in PVP. It's consistently been one of the most streamed classes and historically is probably only behind MagSorc in that respect.

Clearly I'm specifying Stamplar here, but that doesn't change the fact that the ability to wrack up AP as a Templar much faster than other classes is unbalanced. It's a clear and obvious measure of their superior healing ability and group utility. This needs to be massively nerfed. Stamplars just need their damage to be toned down.

Magblade was considered dead from dark brotherhood up until almost Morrowind. Basically after the cloak nerf when uppercut and gap closers we're breaking cloak as well as not removing snares. Most people considered magblade dead for PvP. It has always had its niche as a bomber though. Magblade is probably the least streamed class. Even now with magblade being viable you still don't see many magblades doing small scale PvP because of how the class works no unavoidable damage, all damage is reflectable no snare or root removal, burst damage is backloaded with no way to land multiple attacks in 1gcd. You'll basically have an easier time playing all the stamina classes. LDK's and wardens can basically nullify projectiles. So even though magblade has it's strengths it also has alot of weaknesses. There are still fights you won't be able to win simply because you are a magblade. The only other class that's like that is magplar.

Magplars have superior healing and group utility but they're lacking in crowd control and damage. That's balanced

Stam DK is weaker than both. Don't kid yourself.

Stam DK is good 1v1 though.

I would say "viable"

Eg. Heavy armor NBs are far better at dueling. And at everything else in general.

so here we going again..
*cough*HA meta*cough*
not much has changed since erm...3 years?

ChildOfLight

Magsorc (I live in 2016)

Edziu wrote: »

ChildOfLight wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Leaderboards in my campaign are basically entirely composed of Templars (14) and Nightblades (11), with 3 Sorcs, 2 Wardens, and 0 DKs. I'm on console though, so hopefully the Summerset patch will restore some balance to the universe by nerfing NBs and Templars to Oblivion. Stamplars only weakness is sustain, which is literally the easiest weakness to build around considering their primary attack only has to be activated like once every 4 seconds. A good player can play well with any of the classes, but for a bad player to do so, this is only possible on a Stamplar.

Magplar doesn’t need any nerfs, leaderboards aren’t even a representation of how well the classes are doing. When magnb was considered dead the leaderboards were still dominated by them.

Magblade has never been close to being dead in PVP. It's consistently been one of the most streamed classes and historically is probably only behind MagSorc in that respect.

Clearly I'm specifying Stamplar here, but that doesn't change the fact that the ability to wrack up AP as a Templar much faster than other classes is unbalanced. It's a clear and obvious measure of their superior healing ability and group utility. This needs to be massively nerfed. Stamplars just need their damage to be toned down.

Magblade was considered dead from dark brotherhood up until almost Morrowind. Basically after the cloak nerf when uppercut and gap closers we're breaking cloak as well as not removing snares. Most people considered magblade dead for PvP. It has always had its niche as a bomber though. Magblade is probably the least streamed class. Even now with magblade being viable you still don't see many magblades doing small scale PvP because of how the class works no unavoidable damage, all damage is reflectable no snare or root removal, burst damage is backloaded with no way to land multiple attacks in 1gcd. You'll basically have an easier time playing all the stamina classes. LDK's and wardens can basically nullify projectiles. So even though magblade has it's strengths it also has alot of weaknesses. There are still fights you won't be able to win simply because you are a magblade. The only other class that's like that is magplar.

Magplars have superior healing and group utility but they're lacking in crowd control and damage. That's balanced

Stam DK is weaker than both. Don't kid yourself.

Stam DK is good 1v1 though.

I would say "viable"

Eg. Heavy armor NBs are far better at dueling. And at everything else in general.

so here we going again..
*cough*HA meta*cough*
not much has changed since erm...3 years?

I am failing to get what you are meaning but, litterally answering, I think much has changed from Morrowind in particular.

The changes to HelpingHands not scaling anymore with max stats threw stamDk into oblivion and marked the rise of the (broken and never addressed) permablocking magDk playstyle.

Edziu

ChildOfLight wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

ChildOfLight wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Leaderboards in my campaign are basically entirely composed of Templars (14) and Nightblades (11), with 3 Sorcs, 2 Wardens, and 0 DKs. I'm on console though, so hopefully the Summerset patch will restore some balance to the universe by nerfing NBs and Templars to Oblivion. Stamplars only weakness is sustain, which is literally the easiest weakness to build around considering their primary attack only has to be activated like once every 4 seconds. A good player can play well with any of the classes, but for a bad player to do so, this is only possible on a Stamplar.

Magplar doesn’t need any nerfs, leaderboards aren’t even a representation of how well the classes are doing. When magnb was considered dead the leaderboards were still dominated by them.

Magblade has never been close to being dead in PVP. It's consistently been one of the most streamed classes and historically is probably only behind MagSorc in that respect.

Clearly I'm specifying Stamplar here, but that doesn't change the fact that the ability to wrack up AP as a Templar much faster than other classes is unbalanced. It's a clear and obvious measure of their superior healing ability and group utility. This needs to be massively nerfed. Stamplars just need their damage to be toned down.

Magblade was considered dead from dark brotherhood up until almost Morrowind. Basically after the cloak nerf when uppercut and gap closers we're breaking cloak as well as not removing snares. Most people considered magblade dead for PvP. It has always had its niche as a bomber though. Magblade is probably the least streamed class. Even now with magblade being viable you still don't see many magblades doing small scale PvP because of how the class works no unavoidable damage, all damage is reflectable no snare or root removal, burst damage is backloaded with no way to land multiple attacks in 1gcd. You'll basically have an easier time playing all the stamina classes. LDK's and wardens can basically nullify projectiles. So even though magblade has it's strengths it also has alot of weaknesses. There are still fights you won't be able to win simply because you are a magblade. The only other class that's like that is magplar.

Magplars have superior healing and group utility but they're lacking in crowd control and damage. That's balanced

Stam DK is weaker than both. Don't kid yourself.

Stam DK is good 1v1 though.

I would say "viable"

Eg. Heavy armor NBs are far better at dueling. And at everything else in general.

so here we going again..
*cough*HA meta*cough*
not much has changed since erm...3 years?

I am failing to get what you are meaning but, litterally answering, I think much has changed from Morrowind in particular.

The changes to HelpingHands not scaling anymore with max stats threw stamDk into oblivion and marked the rise of the (broken and never addressed) permablocking magDk playstyle.

but still not much has changed about heavy armor meta on this pvp as I see..even stamblades who was the best class to use medium....are better in heavy, its just sad

Maulkin

ChildOfLight wrote: »

The changes to HelpingHands not scaling anymore with max stats threw stamDk into oblivion and marked the rise of the (broken and never addressed) permablocking magDk playstyle.

Dunno what you're talking about, perma-blocking has been entirely addressed in no-CP.

Sloads, Bleeds, Defiles and resource poisons do the trick so well that the only place you'll find permablocking magDKs is in a Natural History museum, next to the Dinosaur section. Or in Vivec

ChildOfLight

Magsorc (I live in 2016)

I would definitely say magDk suffer those things far less than the other classes.
In particular everyone suffer Sloads and bleeds but goodluck in Esports trying to kill a permablocking magDk 1vs1 with sloads.
Rev.Bash (one of the most common source of major defile) won't hit you if you don't quit your holding-right-click simulator

In cp campaigns permablocking playstyle is more alive than ever so your analogy just makes you look like a weirdo.

@Edziu

I wouldn 't say heavy armor is superior to medium. It really depends by many factors

Edziu

ChildOfLight wrote: »

@Edziu

I wouldn 't say heavy armor is superior to medium. It really depends by many factors

but as for today with that many dots+ additional sload breaking cloak..heavy is superior to medium jsut be even healing bonus and more resist to all other dots than bleed
EDIT: medium is just meliting by dots without good healing or purge/working cloak
only stamden have access to burst heal and stamsorc if is able to spam-cast dark deal

Thogard

Stamblade (I got ganked)

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Leaderboards in my campaign are basically entirely composed of Templars (14) and Nightblades (11), with 3 Sorcs, 2 Wardens, and 0 DKs. I'm on console though, so hopefully the Summerset patch will restore some balance to the universe by nerfing NBs and Templars to Oblivion. Stamplars only weakness is sustain, which is literally the easiest weakness to build around considering their primary attack only has to be activated like once every 4 seconds. A good player can play well with any of the classes, but for a bad player to do so, this is only possible on a Stamplar.

Magplar doesn’t need any nerfs, leaderboards aren’t even a representation of how well the classes are doing. When magnb was considered dead the leaderboards were still dominated by them.

Magblade has never been close to being dead in PVP. It's consistently been one of the most streamed classes and historically is probably only behind MagSorc in that respect.

Clearly I'm specifying Stamplar here, but that doesn't change the fact that the ability to wrack up AP as a Templar much faster than other classes is unbalanced. It's a clear and obvious measure of their superior healing ability and group utility. This needs to be massively nerfed. Stamplars just need their damage to be toned down.

Magblade was considered dead from dark brotherhood up until almost Morrowind. Basically after the cloak nerf when uppercut and gap closers we're breaking cloak as well as not removing snares. Most people considered magblade dead for PvP. It has always had its niche as a bomber though. Magblade is probably the least streamed class. Even now with magblade being viable you still don't see many magblades doing small scale PvP because of how the class works no unavoidable damage, all damage is reflectable no snare or root removal, burst damage is backloaded with no way to land multiple attacks in 1gcd. You'll basically have an easier time playing all the stamina classes. LDK's and wardens can basically nullify projectiles. So even though magblade has it's strengths it also has alot of weaknesses. There are still fights you won't be able to win simply because you are a magblade. The only other class that's like that is magplar.

Magplars have superior healing and group utility but they're lacking in crowd control and damage. That's balanced

Stam DK is weaker than both. Don't kid yourself.

Stam DK is good 1v1 though.

Nerf DKs amirite?

No lol. Nobody cares about dueling. It’s the only form of PvP that is literally meaningless, has no leaderboard, and has 0 rewards. That’s what Stam DKs are good at lol.

Ariades_swe

Stamblade (I got ganked)

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Leaderboards in my campaign are basically entirely composed of Templars (14) and Nightblades (11), with 3 Sorcs, 2 Wardens, and 0 DKs. I'm on console though, so hopefully the Summerset patch will restore some balance to the universe by nerfing NBs and Templars to Oblivion. Stamplars only weakness is sustain, which is literally the easiest weakness to build around considering their primary attack only has to be activated like once every 4 seconds. A good player can play well with any of the classes, but for a bad player to do so, this is only possible on a Stamplar.

If you are evaluating class performance by AP leaderboards, well that alone should really disqualify your opinion on this particular thread. But your conclusion really couldn’t be farther from the truth. Stamplar can be quite strong in the right hands, yes. But it is also easily one of if not the hardest stam class to play. If stamplar was so easy and forgiving of a class, it would be way more prevalent in cyrodiil when in fact it is one of the rarest specs. Nightblades and Sorcs are all over the place and there is a reason for that. Stamplar can be good, in experienced hands, but overall is a solid tier below stamblade, stamden, and mag sorc.

Don’t take my word for it...just look at the poll. You’re arguing that the class with 1% of votes is the most powerful...literally the lowest count in this entire discussion lol. Either everyone here is clueless or you are.

Don't know what game your playing, but stamplar is the second most popular stam class behind only stamblade. If you think otherwise, then it's your opinion that is completely disregardable.

Lol ok...

IZZEFlameLash

Stamblade (I got ganked)

Thogard wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Leaderboards in my campaign are basically entirely composed of Templars (14) and Nightblades (11), with 3 Sorcs, 2 Wardens, and 0 DKs. I'm on console though, so hopefully the Summerset patch will restore some balance to the universe by nerfing NBs and Templars to Oblivion. Stamplars only weakness is sustain, which is literally the easiest weakness to build around considering their primary attack only has to be activated like once every 4 seconds. A good player can play well with any of the classes, but for a bad player to do so, this is only possible on a Stamplar.

Magplar doesn’t need any nerfs, leaderboards aren’t even a representation of how well the classes are doing. When magnb was considered dead the leaderboards were still dominated by them.

Magblade has never been close to being dead in PVP. It's consistently been one of the most streamed classes and historically is probably only behind MagSorc in that respect.

Clearly I'm specifying Stamplar here, but that doesn't change the fact that the ability to wrack up AP as a Templar much faster than other classes is unbalanced. It's a clear and obvious measure of their superior healing ability and group utility. This needs to be massively nerfed. Stamplars just need their damage to be toned down.

Magblade was considered dead from dark brotherhood up until almost Morrowind. Basically after the cloak nerf when uppercut and gap closers we're breaking cloak as well as not removing snares. Most people considered magblade dead for PvP. It has always had its niche as a bomber though. Magblade is probably the least streamed class. Even now with magblade being viable you still don't see many magblades doing small scale PvP because of how the class works no unavoidable damage, all damage is reflectable no snare or root removal, burst damage is backloaded with no way to land multiple attacks in 1gcd. You'll basically have an easier time playing all the stamina classes. LDK's and wardens can basically nullify projectiles. So even though magblade has it's strengths it also has alot of weaknesses. There are still fights you won't be able to win simply because you are a magblade. The only other class that's like that is magplar.

Magplars have superior healing and group utility but they're lacking in crowd control and damage. That's balanced

Stam DK is weaker than both. Don't kid yourself.

Stam DK is good 1v1 though.

Nerf DKs amirite?

No lol. Nobody cares about dueling. It’s the only form of PvP that is literally meaningless, has no leaderboard, and has 0 rewards. That’s what Stam DKs are good at lol.

Very "relevant" in irrelevant things. =D

Swimguy

Magsorc (I live in 2016)

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Proc sets, bleeds and unmitigated damage.

bleeds? I want a Nb bleed ability

Swimguy

Magsorc (I live in 2016)

all magic classes have the upperhand in survivability over stam just because purge and shields. Dont need to time a roll dodge just right when i can just press one button over and over right. I have honestly lost respect for mag players cause shields are jst so overpowered. I mean they arent effected by major fracture etc, immune to crit (give dodge roll crit immunity for 4 seconds after roll see how OP it is then), and it has no cost increase meaning you can EASILY whittle people down with shield-LA-sheild-LA-shield-LA-then flame reach-LA-metoer-LA and you are dead, its even worse if youre a vamp now.....


shields take no skill to use to full effectiveness. and are way too strong in PvP and PvE. Why are magic classes the go to for VMA... shields. Why are nearly all magic builds tankier than any non-tank stam build with a sword and board... Shields.

Thogard

Stamblade (I got ganked)

Swimguy wrote: »

all magic classes have the upperhand in survivability over stam just because purge and shields. Dont need to time a roll dodge just right when i can just press one button over and over right. I have honestly lost respect for mag players cause shields are jst so overpowered. I mean they arent effected by major fracture etc, immune to crit (give dodge roll crit immunity for 4 seconds after roll see how OP it is then), and it has no cost increase meaning you can EASILY whittle people down with shield-LA-sheild-LA-shield-LA-then flame reach-LA-metoer-LA and you are dead, its even worse if youre a vamp now.....


shields take no skill to use to full effectiveness. and are way too strong in PvP and PvE. Why are magic classes the go to for VMA... shields. Why are nearly all magic builds tankier than any non-tank stam build with a sword and board... Shields.

Have you ever played one?

I don’t know many people who play both who’d say that their mag sorc is tankier than their stam toon. Shields just don’t scale well against multiple attackers the way block and roll dodge do.

Soris

Magsorc (I live in 2016)

Magsorc and stamblade in good hands are toptier right now

ak_pvp

Magblade (I got rekt by them in duels )

As of summerset:

NoCP, whoever uses bleeds and sloads first.

CP, probably stamden again. Broken levels of healing, especially hots to deal with the above issues, highest innate tankiness, strong defensive abilities, good and frequent burst, good sustain, good mobility, good support.

Nightblades are close with cloak ez button.