Why is Sload's still not nerfed?

Syncronaut

Finaly us nightblades can kill those pesky tanks.

Gnozo

ecru wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

I really don't see the issue. The set puts a dot on one target.. how is that any different than any other proc set? I agree that proc sets are an issue by themselves but this doesn't seem really out of line to me compared to any others.

Its Oblivion damage. If u dont See why this is a problem then pls stay in ur zerg or in pve

yes, i can see that it's oblivion damage.

Oblivion damage: ignores resistances, damage shields, blocking, dodging, battle spirit, pulls NB s out of stealth, cant be cleansed.

Tell me why u consider this balanced.

i guess that sucks, but all i'm really seeing is, "why can't i just ignore this dot/cleanse this dot like every other dot in the game?"

So u are okay with dot that has 0 counter play? This is not how Balance works

the counterplay to damage is healing

Oh Mister master pvp grand overloard perma emp zerg killing one army professional Player. I
Never thought about it. Thanks for teaching me how to PvP.

Take for example vigor. Healing u for about 1.2k every 1 second. 900 is taken away just by sloads. Just by a armor set so u have 300 hps left to outheal all the other incoming damage and also maintaining 100% vigor uptime.

Tell me how u do it.

exiars10

Feanor wrote: »

Play in a group

That’s the mindset that made Cyrodiil the zerg fest it is. Just introduce more and more stuff that kills solo and small scale. People will zerg up to not get killed by bad design choices.

But ESO is marketed as "zerg vs zerg":

...epic PvP battles with hundreds of other players.

I don't understand constant complain about zerg when it's marketed as such.

Feanor

exiars10 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Play in a group

That’s the mindset that made Cyrodiil the zerg fest it is. Just introduce more and more stuff that kills solo and small scale. People will zerg up to not get killed by bad design choices.

But ESO is marketed as "zerg vs zerg":

...epic PvP battles with hundreds of other players.

I don't understand constant complain about zerg when it's marketed as such.

It would be fine if the game could handle said epic battles. It doesn’t unfortunately.

Do you remember when ZOS told everyone they want players to spread out more so Server load is less? They even introduced Vicious Death and Proximity Detonation for that very purpose.

Then some patches later they implement poisons and start again with high damage proc sets or sets that offer damage you can’t mitigate. Other than with healing. Don’t you see how that’s two totally contradictory things? If you try to encourage spreading out you certainly shouldn’t make it harder to survive without a pocket healer. But that’s exactly what ZOS does.

Sometimes one could get the idea they really love the lag so they can finally kill PvP for good.

Mojomonkeyman

As much as I agree on this set, they f*d up balance so hard in the environment I play (BGs), that I am just getting really tired. Even too tired to complain. Look at bleeds and stam damage in BGs now and tell me this is balanced... There is literally no reason to play anything but a stambleed nobrainer. Disgusting.

Biro123

The only positive thing I can say about this set - from a sorc perspective - is that at least it only does half the damage of shieldbreaker...

Seriously though - so many people here saying its only going to be any good 1v1.. Seriously??
I know of groups which already have 6+ sload users in their ranks (they already have a few sb users) - who do nothing but cap empty keeps or chase soloers around the map.

Imagine getting 6 of these procs on you? And yes they do stack.. I mean one is bad enough..

Someone said in another thread that most duelling builds dish out around 3k dps after mitigation. This is over a 20% increase to it.

Although I did hear it was purgable on live(which is a small mercy)... so I guess magplars are good.. ball-groups with purge-bots are good... once this set becomes ubiquitous, everyone else is gonna have to slot a purge and the sustain to spam it, or dodge that many attacks that it doesn't get procced so much.
Can't really rely on just outhealing it - not with so much defile floating around and the stackability of the set...

Still I'm a lot more annoyed at the scroll score changes than this at the mo..

glavius

TheValar85 wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

I tried my best to not release any builds with this on PTS, but I did post a thread on PTS forums along with many others.

I love a lot of this summerset content, but this set is totally out of hand in PvP. 6K oblivion damage?! Note that oblivion damage ignores all resistances, all shields and even battlespirit.

How exactly are you meant to fight a recap like this on any class with shields xD

https://imgur.com/a/AfSheT9

Even on a non shield class this is literally 1k guaranteed damage every second for the entirity of the fight, which massively outdoes any other set in game.

(2 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
(3 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
(4 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Damaging an enemy has a 10% chance to put a Leeching Shadow on them, dealing 853 Oblivion Damage every 1 second for 6 seconds. This effect can occur every 6 seconds.

No one cares your whining, becasue if DK can one hitt kill every body, and can be an unkilling thing, this set must stay untouched by ZOS. Or should i call out everyone who is wearign Earthgore? And asking zOS teh same thign you want? no i dont ask for it cos i know inf act the whole forum will blow up in rage cos you would not like to losoe your OP heal sheet. Also not to mention hwomany buff they got AGAIN! whiel most casters like sorcers basicly got forgotten.
So stop Whining and quit palying if you dont like it.

And BTW 6X853= 5118. not 6K+

Lock this topic, and ignore the upcomming future ones about this subject ZOS thank you

According to testers it also hits at 0 second mark: 7 x 853 = 5971

Maryal

While on PTS, I wore sloads. I went to the beach area where the crabs are. I hit a crab for minimal damage and Sloads proc'ed. Did the crab die? Nope. So, I did it again (same crab) and Sloads proc'ed again. Did the crab die now? Nope.

So, if your build is squishier than a crab, that could be a problem. Maybe you could find out what armor crabs wear and use that.

GC0

Oh the lovely QQ

Feanor

Maryal wrote: »

While on PTS, I wore sloads. I went to the beach area where the crabs are. I hit a crab for minimal damage and Sloads proc'ed. Did the crab die? Nope. So, I did it again (same crab) and Sloads proc'ed again. Did the crab die now? Nope.

So, if your build is weaker than a crab, maybe that's the problem.

Or maybe your „test“ scenario just hasn’t anything to do with PvP at all.

TheValar85

glavius wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

I tried my best to not release any builds with this on PTS, but I did post a thread on PTS forums along with many others.

I love a lot of this summerset content, but this set is totally out of hand in PvP. 6K oblivion damage?! Note that oblivion damage ignores all resistances, all shields and even battlespirit.

How exactly are you meant to fight a recap like this on any class with shields xD

https://imgur.com/a/AfSheT9

Even on a non shield class this is literally 1k guaranteed damage every second for the entirity of the fight, which massively outdoes any other set in game.

(2 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
(3 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
(4 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Damaging an enemy has a 10% chance to put a Leeching Shadow on them, dealing 853 Oblivion Damage every 1 second for 6 seconds. This effect can occur every 6 seconds.

No one cares your whining, becasue if DK can one hitt kill every body, and can be an unkilling thing, this set must stay untouched by ZOS. Or should i call out everyone who is wearign Earthgore? And asking zOS teh same thign you want? no i dont ask for it cos i know inf act the whole forum will blow up in rage cos you would not like to losoe your OP heal sheet. Also not to mention hwomany buff they got AGAIN! whiel most casters like sorcers basicly got forgotten.
So stop Whining and quit palying if you dont like it.

And BTW 6X853= 5118. not 6K+

Lock this topic, and ignore the upcomming future ones about this subject ZOS thank you

According to testers it also hits at 0 second mark: 7 x 853 = 5971

thats just not poisble.

Enslaved

Kadoin wrote: »

Honestly, I don't know what the hype about it is...the set can't even out-damage ONE HoT on any of my chars.

Enslaved wrote: »

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Sounds good, until you use it and find out how bad it is in practice. Don't forget you need defensive stats and abilities too, otherwise you gonna get rolled. That's why you likely will never see it. No one is going to sit still and let you get away with that, you'd probably get them once and get rolled immediately the next time you encounter them.

1.Craft sload to be heavy
2.roll mDK
3.all CPs into defence, like you play super ultra giga megatank
4.?????
5. profit

Maryal

Feanor wrote: »

Maryal wrote: »

While on PTS, I wore sloads. I went to the beach area where the crabs are. I hit a crab for minimal damage and Sloads proc'ed. Did the crab die? Nope. So, I did it again (same crab) and Sloads proc'ed again. Did the crab die now? Nope.

So, if your build is weaker than a crab, maybe that's the problem.

Or maybe your „test“ scenario just hasn’t anything to do with PvP at all.

Hey, it's not always about player v player you know, sometimes it's about player v crab ... LOL!

Biro123

Maryal wrote: »

While on PTS, I wore sloads. I went to the beach area where the crabs are. I hit a crab for minimal damage and Sloads proc'ed. Did the crab die? Nope. So, I did it again (same crab) and Sloads proc'ed again. Did the crab die now? Nope.

So, if your build is squishier than a crab, that could be a problem. Maybe you could find out what armor crabs wear and use that.

Tests a PVP set in PVE and wonders why it seems weak..

BigBadVolk

Well if everyone would use it in Cyro they would surely nerf it Until then just use it and collect the rage whisps

BigBadVolk

Enslaved wrote: »

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on the last I'd add Torug

Rocki

Maryal wrote: »

While on PTS, I wore sloads. I went to the beach area where the crabs are. I hit a crab for minimal damage and Sloads proc'ed. Did the crab die? Nope. So, I did it again (same crab) and Sloads proc'ed again. Did the crab die now? Nope.

So, if your build is squishier than a crab, that could be a problem. Maybe you could find out what armor crabs wear and use that.

You sound like you work for ZoS' testing department.

SixVoltCar

Don't worry about it.

Enslaved

OH MY MOLAG BAL, CRAB DIDNT DIE

Was it blue crab, NW from Davon's Watch?

Mannix1958

OdinForge wrote: »

This set is really annoying in 1v1 situations, and ridiculous in Xv1 situations.

It started to get bad with shield breaker and continued with sets like fasalla and countless more. We finally got AoE cap removal, but stacking earthgores is still a thing. The game used to be more about your player skill, attributes and class identity, less about what crutch sets you equip.

Pretty soon Cyrodil is gonna be featured on "Naked & Afraid"! The only way we show skill is fighting in the buff! Cross swords takes on a new meaning.

Doctordarkspawn

Feanor wrote: »

Facefister wrote: »

PvP is the reason why we can't have nice things.

If you use the set in PvE you’re doing something fundamentally wrong. I love the people who a) don’t play the game, b) don’t PvP, c) if they do, just zerg or d) just post on the forum for the sake of arguing without being affected by the issue either way.

Oblivion damage is a mechanic that should have stayed PvE exclusive. Damage you can’t mitigate is bad design. The easily crafted set is in the game for one reason only: that bad players have an even greater chance to feel “powerful” when they Xv1 a better player.

Damage you cant mitigate has become a necessity due to the power creep that is PVP.

If someone is great at burst damage, you slap on cost poisons.

If someone is unkillable, you slap on oblivion sets.

These are two needed balancing scales to what PVP is. Sorry. But it's a better solution than nerfing PVE for the sake of PVP.;

ToRelax

TheValar85 wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

TheValar85 wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

I tried my best to not release any builds with this on PTS, but I did post a thread on PTS forums along with many others.

I love a lot of this summerset content, but this set is totally out of hand in PvP. 6K oblivion damage?! Note that oblivion damage ignores all resistances, all shields and even battlespirit.

How exactly are you meant to fight a recap like this on any class with shields xD

https://imgur.com/a/AfSheT9

Even on a non shield class this is literally 1k guaranteed damage every second for the entirity of the fight, which massively outdoes any other set in game.

(2 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
(3 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Stamina
(4 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(4 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Damaging an enemy has a 10% chance to put a Leeching Shadow on them, dealing 853 Oblivion Damage every 1 second for 6 seconds. This effect can occur every 6 seconds.

No one cares your whining, becasue if DK can one hitt kill every body, and can be an unkilling thing, this set must stay untouched by ZOS. Or should i call out everyone who is wearign Earthgore? And asking zOS teh same thign you want? no i dont ask for it cos i know inf act the whole forum will blow up in rage cos you would not like to losoe your OP heal sheet. Also not to mention hwomany buff they got AGAIN! whiel most casters like sorcers basicly got forgotten.
So stop Whining and quit palying if you dont like it.

And BTW 6X853= 5118. not 6K+

Lock this topic, and ignore the upcomming future ones about this subject ZOS thank you

According to testers it also hits at 0 second mark: 7 x 853 = 5971

thats just not poisble.

Feanor

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Facefister wrote: »

PvP is the reason why we can't have nice things.

If you use the set in PvE you’re doing something fundamentally wrong. I love the people who a) don’t play the game, b) don’t PvP, c) if they do, just zerg or d) just post on the forum for the sake of arguing without being affected by the issue either way.

Oblivion damage is a mechanic that should have stayed PvE exclusive. Damage you can’t mitigate is bad design. The easily crafted set is in the game for one reason only: that bad players have an even greater chance to feel “powerful” when they Xv1 a better player.

Damage you cant mitigate has become a necessity due to the power creep that is PVP.

If someone is great at burst damage, you slap on cost poisons.

If someone is unkillable, you slap on oblivion sets.

These are two needed balancing scales to what PVP is. Sorry. But it's a better solution than nerfing PVE for the sake of PVP.;

Just out of interest, do you play PvP? Because it doesn’t sound like you actually do.

BohnT

This set has to go.
A set that ignores any counterplay can't be balanced also the set doesn't "just" deal 853 damage.

It pulls NBs out of cloak, kills sorcs through all shields especially when it's used by multiple targets, 3 people using the set are enough to completely out damage the HPS for almost any class just by applying one set.

What you get just by slotting sloads:
Free kills on NBs (no the good ones won't survive if they can't cloak they will also get rekt unless Random Zergling No. 431 thinks he can kill them alone just by spamming light attacks, a good player with sloads will just shred the NB)

Free Kills on sorcs, it's ridiculous how easy you can kill sorcs with sloads.

Free Kills on any stamina build if you use defiles as well.
(Most stambuilds have ~3k hps if they focus on healing, with 70% defile they are at 900 hps, how much damage does Sloads deal again? Ah right 853 meaning you have to fulfil the impossible task to deal more than 47 dps to set the life of your enemy on a timer that will end at one point)
This task can be done by a 75k health trolltank that couldn't touch you without such overperfoming game mechanics.

-You punish your enemy if he's playing offensively and even more if he tries to play defensively because you simply ignore any defence in the game.



For the people saying "it's just 853 damage, how can you die to that" you don't have any idea how combat in PvP works, your average pressure in a duel is about 3-4k depending on which class and build you are playing and fighting. Sloads adds ~20-30% extra pressure.
Imagine someone came to your workplace and offered you 30% more money and making your task more easy in the process? You wouldn't decline right?


What's even more frustrating is how the effectiveness of sloads is distributed throughout different encounters:
Xv1 ~ completely op
1v1 vs bad players ~ useless they'll be dead in 3 seconds other sets are way better
1v1 vs equally good players ~ very strong will probably win you the battle
1v1 vs better player ~ still compensates for lots of skill
1vX ~ useless again as you are just fighting more than one pleb and 1vX is mainly focused around bursting one enemy as fast as you can which makes the ST dot even worse
XvX ~ average set nothing special


To sum it all up Sloads is completely unbalanced and needs to go, special hardcounters for one defence are stupid, a set that hardcounters every defence in this game is just ridiculous and should be removed with the next incremental patch along with a *** slap for the people who used it.

Gnozo

I completly agree with BohnT. Everything he said is true.

Lazarus_Rising

I think one of the main reasons for proc sets / high damage sets is to give new pvp player a chance to compete against high skilled players so they do not turn away immediately from pvp when they are getting rekt all the time.

Berenhir

BohnT wrote: »

This set has to go.
A set that ignores any counterplay can't be balanced also the set doesn't "just" deal 853 damage.

It pulls NBs out of cloak, kills sorcs through all shields especially when it's used by multiple targets, 3 people using the set are enough to completely out damage the HPS for almost any class just by applying one set.

What you get just by slotting sloads:
Free kills on NBs (no the good ones won't survive if they can't cloak they will also get rekt unless Random Zergling No. 431 thinks he can kill them alone just by spamming light attacks, a good player with sloads will just shred the NB)

Free Kills on sorcs, it's ridiculous how easy you can kill sorcs with sloads.

Free Kills on any stamina build if you use defiles as well.
(Most stambuilds have ~3k hps if they focus on healing, with 70% defile they are at 900 hps, how much damage does Sloads deal again? Ah right 853 meaning you have to fulfil the impossible task to deal more than 47 dps to set the life of your enemy on a timer that will end at one point)
This task can be done by a 75k health trolltank that couldn't touch you without such overperfoming game mechanics.

-You punish your enemy if he's playing offensively and even more if he tries to play defensively because you simply ignore any defence in the game.



For the people saying "it's just 853 damage, how can you die to that" you don't have any idea how combat in PvP works, your average pressure in a duel is about 3-4k depending on which class and build you are playing and fighting. Sloads adds ~20-30% extra pressure.
Imagine someone came to your workplace and offered you 30% more money and making your task more easy in the process? You wouldn't decline right?


What's even more frustrating is how the effectiveness of sloads is distributed throughout different encounters:
Xv1 ~ completely op
1v1 vs bad players ~ useless they'll be dead in 3 seconds other sets are way better
1v1 vs equally good players ~ very strong will probably win you the battle
1v1 vs better player ~ still compensates for lots of skill
1vX ~ useless again as you are just fighting more than one pleb and 1vX is mainly focused around bursting one enemy as fast as you can which makes the ST dot even worse
XvX ~ average set nothing special


To sum it all up Sloads is completely unbalanced and needs to go, special hardcounters for one defence are stupid, a set that hardcounters every defence in this game is just ridiculous and should be removed with the next incremental patch along with a *** slap for the people who used it.

You are right, but I think the ideal of skillful gameplay can be put into the same coffin where alliance loyality and chivalry already rot and be buried for good.

I always refrained from playing broken procs or abusing stupid mechanics like poison+defile stacking but I think first thing I'm gonna transmute today is my shieldbreaker jewellery to arcane and do a magNB combo with sloads, infused oblivion staves and skoria.

Anne_Firehawk

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DivineFirstYOLO

BohnT wrote: »

This set has to go.
A set that ignores any counterplay can't be balanced also the set doesn't "just" deal 853 damage.

It pulls NBs out of cloak, kills sorcs through all shields especially when it's used by multiple targets, 3 people using the set are enough to completely out damage the HPS for almost any class just by applying one set.



What's even more frustrating is how the effectiveness of sloads is distributed throughout different encounters:
Xv1 ~ completely op
1v1 vs bad players ~ useless they'll be dead in 3 seconds other sets are way better
1v1 vs equally good players ~ very strong will probably win you the battle
1v1 vs better player ~ still compensates for lots of skill
1vX ~ useless again as you are just fighting more than one pleb and 1vX is mainly focused around bursting one enemy as fast as you can which makes the ST dot even worse
XvX ~ average set nothing special

100% agree, this set in combination with light attacks from few people and you're done.
If you're in a zerg then you obviously won't feel the dmg of this set.. that's why so many people defend it #exposed

Nomen

Why dont u complain about sorcs surviving 10+ people opposing and kill em 1 by1.This set is a step to end these weird unhealthy situations. hope lot of people will use it and it will not be nerfed.Shield stack ve been too op till now.