Ridiculous amount of vAS +2 glitchers rising on the xbox eu server.

NoTimeToWait

Mureel wrote: »

And then turn around and LESSEN those rewards themselves by providing carries xD

I have all but VAS2 skin and I don't wear them, and I prefer Librarian & Volunteer titles *shrugs*

VMOL skin means nothing anymore, vhof skin means more imo, than vas2 given the exploiting, so yeah nevermind skins really.

True, selling trial skins is a bit shady, but I suppose these carries are not cheap? I wonder how much do they cost, because I never asked and never saw it advertised in the zone chat. My guess would be, 2-3mil(which is reasonable price). If so, probably around the same percent of players can afford it as the number of players who can finish it. Maybe it devalues the bragging rights a bit, but not a skin itself.

Violynne wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Something people work hard for shouldn't be devalued like this

I hate this response. It's a lie, and everyone knows it.

If the majority of you dungeon crawlers didn't have these rewards bound to your account, you'd be selling them faster than you could say "100k", which shows the flaw of the statement and instantly devalues any reward within them.

Every single guild store sells items where people don't have to "earn it" through normal play.

The reality of the situation is that many players would actively engage in an exploit if they didn't think they'd get banned for it.

The truth of the matter is as simple as this: if you, the player, challenged yourself to get through the dungeon, and felt rewarded because you completed it, no exploiter, trinket, or sold item will diminish your own personal satisfaction.

Tell me I'm wrong.

Good point, but again they would be selling them at high price according to effort it required. So, even if it wasn't bound (like for example factotum polymorph) the price would be high, which is not devaluing.

For example, in real life you can sell your gold olympic medal. And you won't devalue the achievement in any way by selling it. But if you use doping, that is a sure way to devalue the golden medal

And while no trinket will diminish your satisfaction, being able to show off will certainly raise your satisfaction significantly. And there is nothing wrong in being a showoff in game

Feanor

NoTimeToWait wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

And then turn around and LESSEN those rewards themselves by providing carries xD

I have all but VAS2 skin and I don't wear them, and I prefer Librarian & Volunteer titles *shrugs*

VMOL skin means nothing anymore, vhof skin means more imo, than vas2 given the exploiting, so yeah nevermind skins really.

True, selling trial skins is a bit shady, but I suppose these carries are not cheap? I wonder how much do they cost, because I never asked and never saw it advertised in the zone chat. My guess would be, 2-3mil(which is reasonable price). If so, probably around the same percent of players can afford it as the number of players who can finish it. Maybe it devalues the bragging rights a bit, but not a skin itself.

Depends on the trial. vDSA runs are going for 500k or so, and everything from vMoL onwards is above 2 million gold. Some guilds also charge extra for the dropped gear.

Vaoh

Feanor wrote: »

NoTimeToWait wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

And then turn around and LESSEN those rewards themselves by providing carries xD

I have all but VAS2 skin and I don't wear them, and I prefer Librarian & Volunteer titles *shrugs*

VMOL skin means nothing anymore, vhof skin means more imo, than vas2 given the exploiting, so yeah nevermind skins really.

True, selling trial skins is a bit shady, but I suppose these carries are not cheap? I wonder how much do they cost, because I never asked and never saw it advertised in the zone chat. My guess would be, 2-3mil(which is reasonable price). If so, probably around the same percent of players can afford it as the number of players who can finish it. Maybe it devalues the bragging rights a bit, but not a skin itself.

Depends on the trial. vDSA runs are going for 500k or so, and everything from vMoL onwards is above 2 million gold. Some guilds also charge extra for the dropped gear.

That’s very expensive. Prices are much lower on PS4 NA

Malacthulhu

If they put more time and money into designing basic dungeon and trial levels maybe people would not take advantage of these mistakes. Who made the first mistake? Thinking mmo gamers of all walks of life and different ages are gonna be careful about getting the "prize" is ubsurd. Some will some won't, will always be like that and banning is a reactive juvenile method of dealing with it. ZoS could be pro active and spend more time designing and stop letting marketing push them around or take accountability bc ultimitaly it is ZoS's fault in my opinion.

Feanor

Vaoh wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

NoTimeToWait wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

And then turn around and LESSEN those rewards themselves by providing carries xD

I have all but VAS2 skin and I don't wear them, and I prefer Librarian & Volunteer titles *shrugs*

VMOL skin means nothing anymore, vhof skin means more imo, than vas2 given the exploiting, so yeah nevermind skins really.

True, selling trial skins is a bit shady, but I suppose these carries are not cheap? I wonder how much do they cost, because I never asked and never saw it advertised in the zone chat. My guess would be, 2-3mil(which is reasonable price). If so, probably around the same percent of players can afford it as the number of players who can finish it. Maybe it devalues the bragging rights a bit, but not a skin itself.

Depends on the trial. vDSA runs are going for 500k or so, and everything from vMoL onwards is above 2 million gold. Some guilds also charge extra for the dropped gear.

That’s very expensive. Prices are much lower on PS4 NA

I don’t know, I never inquired about the prices. There was a thread on the forum some months ago that offered trial runs with an advertisement in the form of a poster. vDSA was 500k, vMoL 2.5 milllion and vHoF 3.2 million IIRC. Gear was 200k extra.

I too think that selling runs shouldn’t be a thing. But ZOS differs from that view.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

MajBludd wrote: »

Hopefully they get banned, buy a new account, and exploit again.

Actually this is the problem with a perma ban for a punishment. I think instead, they should get like a week or two ban, and when they come back, all their currency is removed from the game and the craft bag is empty. They also are forced to wear dirty rags with smell lines emitting from their bodies, and are forced to permanently wear a title that says SHAME SHAME SHAME. People could throw mudballs and rotten fruit. It would be a more fitting punishment.

Vaoh

Feanor wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

NoTimeToWait wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

And then turn around and LESSEN those rewards themselves by providing carries xD

I have all but VAS2 skin and I don't wear them, and I prefer Librarian & Volunteer titles *shrugs*

VMOL skin means nothing anymore, vhof skin means more imo, than vas2 given the exploiting, so yeah nevermind skins really.

True, selling trial skins is a bit shady, but I suppose these carries are not cheap? I wonder how much do they cost, because I never asked and never saw it advertised in the zone chat. My guess would be, 2-3mil(which is reasonable price). If so, probably around the same percent of players can afford it as the number of players who can finish it. Maybe it devalues the bragging rights a bit, but not a skin itself.

Depends on the trial. vDSA runs are going for 500k or so, and everything from vMoL onwards is above 2 million gold. Some guilds also charge extra for the dropped gear.

That’s very expensive. Prices are much lower on PS4 NA

I don’t know, I never inquired about the prices. There was a thread on the forum some months ago that offered trial runs with an advertisement in the form of a poster. vDSA was 500k, vMoL 2.5 milllion and vHoF 3.2 million IIRC. Gear was 200k extra.

I too think that selling runs shouldn’t be a thing. But ZOS differs from that view.

Oh don’t get me wrong. I’m all for selling runs. Those prices are way too high btw, especially for vMoL lol.

I purchased a bunch of Dreugh Wax and a Spinner’s Greatsword recently.... I did not earn any of this stuff, but someone else did and I’ve traded my gold for their service. To me, carries are no different than anything else that can be sold. Paying a group of players to get you a skin/achievement/whatever is fine as long as:
1. It revolves around in-game currency (not actual $$)
2. You don’t have someone play on the carried player’s account

Carries would not be so annoying (and it’d be fine for them not to exist) if gear/jewelry from trials were still be BoE.

NoTimeToWait

Violynne wrote: »

Oh don’t get me wrong. I’m all for selling runs. Those prices are way too high btw, especially for vMoL lol.

I purchased a bunch of Dreugh Wax and a Spinner’s Greatsword recently.... I did not earn any of this stuff, but someone else did and I’ve traded my gold for their service. To me, carries are no different than anything else that can be sold. Paying a group of players to get you a skin/achievement/whatever is fine as long as:
1. It revolves around in-game currency (not actual $$)
2. You don’t have someone play on the carried player’s account

Carries would not be so annoying (and it’d be fine for them not to exist) if gear/jewelry from trials were still be BoE.

It's not high, but actually spot on price for someone who has gold and wants to spend it on something or wants the skin very much.

And that the price feels high for you is actually the point I was making - It just not worth it to buy for most part of the playerbase, especially for those who can develop their skills and get the skin themselves.

Thus, anything lower would be actually devaluing, but this price is quite ok.

If you think that vMoL is too high priced, than probably you have a good PVE group to run with. As for me, I find it hard to do something more complicated than veteran Craglorn trials. But being somewhat savvy in earning gold via trading, this actually feels like a good price. Though I still would probably try to do it myself, if I needed the skin

pteam

Guys paying for a run isn’t the problem, the problem is they’re sniping the final bosses in vmol and vas and thus they’re not actually fighting the boss. They’re glitching the boss and getting the skin without beating the boss or finishing the trial. To anybody who’s spent countless hours on vet completing the trials legit this is a huge issue and admins have said it’s an exploit and against the rules and they have banned people in the past for it.

MTijhuis

This is amusing. Don't get me wrong I get it's against the ToS

But people found a glitch to get the vas skin, the world is to small. Cause those people don't deserve it, news flash the people in carry runs also don't deserve the skins. Still daily many guilds run them.

Of course it's a exploit and it should be reported. But why is every exploit treated differently in this game. In the first month when vas was released it was possible to glitch Saint Felms the Bold in the wall, so he wouldn't jump around. Every guild used this tactic when it was obviously not intended. It was patched, but no consequences, however glitching the whole trial resulted into a perma ban.

In my opinion, they should either allow exploits or always perma ban every one that uses them, big or small.

testd4n1

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

MajBludd wrote: »

Hopefully they get banned, buy a new account, and exploit again.

Actually this is the problem with a perma ban for a punishment. I think instead, they should get like a week or two ban, and when they come back, all their currency is removed from the game and the craft bag is empty. They also are forced to wear dirty rags with smell lines emitting from their bodies, and are forced to permanently wear a title that says SHAME SHAME SHAME. People could throw mudballs and rotten fruit. It would be a more fitting punishment.

ZOS needs to licence an NPC that will follow them around with a ringing bell and keeps saying SHAME. Then have random NPCs out of now where spawn and throw mud balls at them.

This would be perfect.

Fang_of_Lorkhaj

@ZOS_GinaBruno Nothing but bans for all the people exploiting this! I'm reporting None stop till someone messages me back. I've already sent in 5 reports and I just recieved a picture of people doing the exploit on North American Server xbox. I will not stop. I will continue to leaderboards search people with the skin and provide evidence that they aren't on the boards along with a screenshot of the individual wearing the skin. Clean this up please

jerj6925

Tostiee wrote: »

So in the last few weeks more and more people have been glitching the vAS +2 skin and its getting to the point more glitchers have the skin then people who have put the effort in and got it legit. The glitch has been first reported about 2/3 weeks ago, with all the players who have been spotted with the skin that way ever since its been known but so far all we know is that zos is "Investigating" it but we have not heard anything for 2/3 weeks and its just geting upsetting and demotivating at this point.

At this point I felt the need to make this public and get more awereness about the issue, guilds are getting fed up seeing all these people getting the skin this way while others have progressed it for weeks/months etc.

What is the status? When is this going to be fixed? What is going to happen with the players who have glitched the trial/skin? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Finn

Its a freaking game not real life... honestly how is this hurting you at all? I would rather Zenimax focus resources on fixing Lag and nerfing the holy hell out of Night blades and a moderate gutting of sorcs.

ManwithBeard9

Fang_of_Lorkhaj wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno Nothing but bans for all the people exploiting this! I'm reporting None stop till someone messages me back. I've already sent in 5 reports and I just recieved a picture of people doing the exploit on North American Server xbox. I will not stop. I will continue to leaderboards search people with the skin and provide evidence that they aren't on the boards along with a screenshot of the individual wearing the skin. Clean this up please

Don't open new tickets in the same players, follow up on the same ticket. Any pics or videos you get, forward to Gina or Jess.

Mettaricana

DPShiro wrote: »

pteam wrote: »

Along that note, people been glitching the vmaw final boss so many times to the point that skins are sold everyday and the final boss is just sniped. More people have those skins from sniping the boss than actually beating the trial. It’s been years and they still haven’t fixed it. Pretty sad

Indeed, it’s beyond sad and irreparable at this point. Seeing someone with the Dro-m’Athra skin now basically means the same as Master Wizard, it’s heartbreaking.

I really hope this doesn’t turn into that failure and fiasco though, and with their new stance towards this (last official statement) I really hope they get on this ASAP.

Considering a huge portion of the players dont even earn the skins anyway they just buy for 1-2mil gold a run and pop in at the last sec before boss executed and bam you got your skill less bragging skin.

Fang_of_Lorkhaj

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom how can I contact you personally? I have screenshot of evidence.

Vaoh

NoTimeToWait wrote: »

Violynne wrote: »

Oh don’t get me wrong. I’m all for selling runs. Those prices are way too high btw, especially for vMoL lol.

I purchased a bunch of Dreugh Wax and a Spinner’s Greatsword recently.... I did not earn any of this stuff, but someone else did and I’ve traded my gold for their service. To me, carries are no different than anything else that can be sold. Paying a group of players to get you a skin/achievement/whatever is fine as long as:
1. It revolves around in-game currency (not actual $$)
2. You don’t have someone play on the carried player’s account

Carries would not be so annoying (and it’d be fine for them not to exist) if gear/jewelry from trials were still be BoE.

It's not high, but actually spot on price for someone who has gold and wants to spend it on something or wants the skin very much.

And that the price feels high for you is actually the point I was making - It just not worth it to buy for most part of the playerbase, especially for those who can develop their skills and get the skin themselves.

Thus, anything lower would be actually devaluing, but this price is quite ok.

If you think that vMoL is too high priced, than probably you have a good PVE group to run with. As for me, I find it hard to do something more complicated than veteran Craglorn trials. But being somewhat savvy in earning gold via trading, this actually feels like a good price. Though I still would probably try to do it myself, if I needed the skin

It’s not necessarily that those prices feel high for me. The prices on our whole server are lower, so it naturally sounds overpriced to me on your sever whereas our prices sound cheap.

I actually agree with your server’s pricing better lol.

Dapper Dinosaur

I had someone on my list ask me if I was interested in joining a group for glitching this, I said "No, I like having an account, thanks".

VMaw is one thing, because Zenimax has been extraordinarily lazy about rooting out people that are doing that, but the response to the VAS glitching was swift and merciless.

kargen27

Doesn't take long to find videos showing how to do this particular exploit. Some even suggest to get as many friends to do it a possible because if enough people do it there can't be a ban.

starkerealm

DPShiro wrote: »

What’s even worse is I kept hearing some that are bragging about it in city hubs and even selling the glich/exploit for real world currency.

If you see something like that, then report them. It's a violation of the TOS, and not one that the moderation team is inclined to let slide.

Now, if it's an, "I heard from a friend of a friend..." story, then, you might want to take that with a grain of salt. But, if you see it, report 'em.

Ihatenightblades

Agree 10000000% its demotivating and ruins integrity of pve

XiDiabolismiX

Jameliel wrote: »

I disagree with calling it an exploit. If someone discovers a safe spot in the environment to attack from, more power to them. I call it fun for them if they enjoy it. People crying about someone else spending their time how they enjoy is weak. Perma-banning someone over it is even more ridiculous. Their loss of $$ though. Doubt the people banned will care longer than a day or so. If we only spent a small fraction of the time judging ourselves that we spent judging others....imagine that. Always some selfish whiny reasoning behind everything. But but but but I...me me me me..I I I....

You’re whats wrong with this game. Literally every sentence you wrote has made everyone dumber. You don’t understand the amount of effort that goes into completing this kind of content. People take time out of their real lives to commit to something this challenging with 11 other people and you go and say some dumb *** like that...

I assume you’re the type that wants everyone to have a participation trophy for wiping their own ass? You’re absolutely right, I want everyone in this game to be banned for sniping/cheating any form of content because it takes away the true achievement and feeling of accomplishment from hardworking players.

Danse_Mayhem

Yeah for me the book stops with ZOS. They have known about this for a long time, I've reported it myself with a step by step guild on exactly how it's done - I'm sure others have too. If they can't add in one invisible wall to prevent this in a simple patch then I'm sorry but how are the players to blame?
On PS4 EU at least, sooooo many people have done this now. To ban them all? Lose hundreds of ESO+ subscriptions and regular crown store customers would be the worst business idea I've ever known. If ZOS actually gave a crap about this further than threats of a ban then it would have been fixed by now. Sorry I know that's not what the PVE special snowflake players want to hear lol

Danse_Mayhem

Yeah for me the book stops with ZOS. They have known about this for a long time, I've reported it myself with a step by step guild on exactly how it's done - I'm sure others have too. If they can't add in one invisible wall to prevent this in a simple patch then I'm sorry but how are the players to blame?
On PS4 EU at least, sooooo many people have done this now. To ban them all? Lose hundreds of ESO+ subscriptions and regular crown store customers would be the worst business idea I've ever known. If ZOS actually gave a crap about this further than threats of a ban then it would have been fixed by now. Sorry I know that's not what the PVE special snowflake players want to hear lol

Marabornwingrion

kargen27 wrote: »

Some even suggest to get as many friends to do it a possible because if enough people do it there can't be a ban.

That's exactly what first Asylum exploiters were thinking

EL3ZD33

No one has been banned it’s just a log in issue.

DjMuscleboy02

jerj6925 wrote: »

Tostiee wrote: »

So in the last few weeks more and more people have been glitching the vAS +2 skin and its getting to the point more glitchers have the skin then people who have put the effort in and got it legit. The glitch has been first reported about 2/3 weeks ago, with all the players who have been spotted with the skin that way ever since its been known but so far all we know is that zos is "Investigating" it but we have not heard anything for 2/3 weeks and its just geting upsetting and demotivating at this point.

At this point I felt the need to make this public and get more awereness about the issue, guilds are getting fed up seeing all these people getting the skin this way while others have progressed it for weeks/months etc.

What is the status? When is this going to be fixed? What is going to happen with the players who have glitched the trial/skin? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Finn

Its a freaking game not real life... honestly how is this hurting you at all? I would rather Zenimax focus resources on fixing Lag and nerfing the holy hell out of Night blades and a moderate gutting of sorcs.

Is it really that hard to understand that those are two different problems, signed to two different teams? In the real world, believe it or not, business can focus on two different things without compromising one or the other. Wow, I know, right!

And about drawing the line for exploits. Yeah any exploit is against tos, but we don't sentence people to death for not paying a parking ticket. Any exploit does not warrant the same penalty. Intentionally bugging achievements and then selling that exploit for profit is not the same as standing on a rock to make a boss easier -- which actually makes the fight much slower and barely makes it easier to begin with since you just stand behind that boss and ignore everything anyway.

DPShiro

EL3ZD33 wrote: »

No one has been banned it’s just a log in issue.

Wrong.
Have confirmed some that have been banned, but not all yet on the list I sent them.

Soon TM

mb10

How can you even ban people who do this?

How is it possible to detect someone has done this glitch?

ClockworkCityBugs

pls post a detailed explanation HOWTO
only this way you will stop exploit
by make it public