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Can anyone check if they fixed sload's breaking cloak please?
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This is correct!
Huehuehuehue
The purge part I didn’t know, but I don’t play a Templar.
It’s still affected by Thaumaturge CP right? People keep mentioning 800 damage, it should be hitting for around 1K.
Doesn't really matter if it is affected by offensive cp. Because if it is, it's also affected by defensive cp.
How many people are running around with 20% in dot damage reduction though?
Not that many put alot in dot dmg cp either for pvp. Plus defensive cp scale better than offensive cp.
One could argue that every dot build heavily invests into the dot dmg cp.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Imo Sloads should disable the use of Harness Magicka, Healing Ward and Hardened Ward. Good sorcs will easily adapt by slotting Boneshield and Healing Springs.
By that logic the ability to dodgeroll should also be supressed eh
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✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Imo Sloads should disable the use of Harness Magicka, Healing Ward and Hardened Ward. Good sorcs will easily adapt by slotting Boneshield and Healing Springs.
By that logic the ability to dodgeroll should also be supressed eh?
Sounds good. Would also like if you damage yourself (with oblivion dmg) when casting a shield, block or roll while being affected by Major Defile.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.2 -
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✭✭✭✭Can it be reflected? I vaguely remember some strange anomalies on reflecting oblivion damage glyphs.. Depending whether it was from the snb ulti or not...Minalan owes me a beer.
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Murador178✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Imo Sloads should disable the use of Harness Magicka, Healing Ward and Hardened Ward. Good sorcs will easily adapt by slotting Boneshield and Healing Springs.
By that logic the ability to dodgeroll should also be supressed eh?
Set should just disable all class defense abilities - hardened ward, purge, wings, cloak and shimmering shield.
I would call that PERFECT balance
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✭✭✭Murador178 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Imo Sloads should disable the use of Harness Magicka, Healing Ward and Hardened Ward. Good sorcs will easily adapt by slotting Boneshield and Healing Springs.
By that logic the ability to dodgeroll should also be supressed eh?
Set should just disable all class defense abilities - hardened ward, purge, wings, cloak and shimmering shield.
Is the agree on your post from Indig or Big Boss?
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✭✭Murador178 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Imo Sloads should disable the use of Harness Magicka, Healing Ward and Hardened Ward. Good sorcs will easily adapt by slotting Boneshield and Healing Springs.
By that logic the ability to dodgeroll should also be supressed eh?
Set should just disable all class defense abilities - hardened ward, purge, wings, cloak and shimmering shield.
I would call that PERFECT balance
Also jumping I've heard that it's the most broken defensive mechanic in the game Edited by BohnT on May 16, 2018 3:39PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭Murador178 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Imo Sloads should disable the use of Harness Magicka, Healing Ward and Hardened Ward. Good sorcs will easily adapt by slotting Boneshield and Healing Springs.
By that logic the ability to dodgeroll should also be supressed eh?
Set should just disable all class defense abilities - hardened ward, purge, wings, cloak and shimmering shield.
I would call that PERFECT balance
Also jumping I've heard that it's the most broken defensive mechanic in the game
And rocks and trees.. It should also give x-ray vision to let you shoot through them. Minalan owes me a beer.
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This is correct!
Huehuehuehue
The purge part I didn’t know, but I don’t play a Templar.
It’s still affected by Thaumaturge CP right? People keep mentioning 800 damage, it should be hitting for around 1K.
No, nothing increases its damage other than the quality of your gear. What you're seeing is tool tip manipulation, but I've tested it, and nothing affects its damage.0 -
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✭✭✭Truth of the matter is, Cloak counters are insufficient, or NBs wouldn't be rocking Cyro.
Very naive. Players not choosing to slot counters to Cloak is the reason they appear to be lacking. Many don't want to make the sacrifice so they just lay down to NBs and then whine about it.
But you go ahead and use a 5 piece set to counter NBs when you could have used 1 skill slot!0 -
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✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »Truth of the matter is, Cloak counters are insufficient, or NBs wouldn't be rocking Cyro.
Very naive. Players not choosing to slot counters to Cloak is the reason they appear to be lacking. Many don't want to make the sacrifice so they just lay down to NBs and then whine about it.
But you go ahead and use a 5 piece set to counter NBs when you could have used 1 skill slot!
Yeah and what will you give up to have a potential counter that's not properly working?
A heal?
A damage skill?
A utility skill?
While the 5pc works just as good vs every other class.
There's a reason not many players slot counters to Cloak
First they are unreliable and second you don't have the bar space to do so and third the skill only helps you to fight one single class and is useless vs everyone else.
Slot mage light?
Great you just wrecked your sustain if you don't double bar it because the game can't keep up with different resources pools on your bars.
Slot Expert hunter?
Hooray a skill that's not working unless the nb is directly on you that doesn't provide you anything useful outside of some crit and wpndmg
Detect pots?
Let's hope i didn't have to chug a potion after the nb tried to gank me or my last potion was used less than 45 seconds ago or the effect already ran out.
The counters to Cloak have way too high opportunity cost and are bad on top of that the only thing that really is great is Mark and that thing is op and only nbs have access to it5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »Truth of the matter is, Cloak counters are insufficient, or NBs wouldn't be rocking Cyro.
Very naive. Players not choosing to slot counters to Cloak is the reason they appear to be lacking. Many don't want to make the sacrifice so they just lay down to NBs and then whine about it.
But you go ahead and use a 5 piece set to counter NBs when you could have used 1 skill slot!
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✭✭✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »Truth of the matter is, Cloak counters are insufficient, or NBs wouldn't be rocking Cyro.
Very naive. Players not choosing to slot counters to Cloak is the reason they appear to be lacking. Many don't want to make the sacrifice so they just lay down to NBs and then whine about it.
But you go ahead and use a 5 piece set to counter NBs when you could have used 1 skill slot!
Strawman argument.
Cloak counters are indeed lacking because they´re single purpose. No other ability requires you to use specific counters that only counter said ability and are useless against anything else.<Noricum>
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✭✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »Truth of the matter is, Cloak counters are insufficient, or NBs wouldn't be rocking Cyro.
Very naive. Players not choosing to slot counters to Cloak is the reason they appear to be lacking. Many don't want to make the sacrifice so they just lay down to NBs and then whine about it.
But you go ahead and use a 5 piece set to counter NBs when you could have used 1 skill slot!
Yeah and what will you give up to have a potential counter that's not properly working?
A heal?
A damage skill?
A utility skill?
While the 5pc works just as good vs every other class.
There's a reason not many players slot counters to Cloak
First they are unreliable and second you don't have the bar space to do so and third the skill only helps you to fight one single class and is useless vs everyone else.
Slot mage light?
Great you just wrecked your sustain if you don't double bar it because the game can't keep up with different resources pools on your bars.
Slot Expert hunter?
Hooray a skill that's not working unless the nb is directly on you that doesn't provide you anything useful outside of some crit and wpndmg
Detect pots?
Let's hope i didn't have to chug a potion after the nb tried to gank me or my last potion was used less than 45 seconds ago or the effect already ran out.
The counters to Cloak have way too high opportunity cost and are bad on top of that the only thing that really is great is Mark and that thing is op and only nbs have access to it
When it makes killing your opponents incredibly easy it's worth slotting.
My rule of thumb is to check the team compositions as you're waiting for the BG match to start; if there's 2 or more Nightblades then slot a counter. If one or none then don't bother.
This method of checking is also why I know the whole "40-70% of players in BGs are Nightblades" statistic is a complete lie since I only need to slot a cloak counter 1/3 of the time.1 -
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✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »Truth of the matter is, Cloak counters are insufficient, or NBs wouldn't be rocking Cyro.
Very naive. Players not choosing to slot counters to Cloak is the reason they appear to be lacking. Many don't want to make the sacrifice so they just lay down to NBs and then whine about it.
But you go ahead and use a 5 piece set to counter NBs when you could have used 1 skill slot!
Yeah and what will you give up to have a potential counter that's not properly working?
A heal?
A damage skill?
A utility skill?
While the 5pc works just as good vs every other class.
There's a reason not many players slot counters to Cloak
First they are unreliable and second you don't have the bar space to do so and third the skill only helps you to fight one single class and is useless vs everyone else.
Slot mage light?
Great you just wrecked your sustain if you don't double bar it because the game can't keep up with different resources pools on your bars.
Slot Expert hunter?
Hooray a skill that's not working unless the nb is directly on you that doesn't provide you anything useful outside of some crit and wpndmg
Detect pots?
Let's hope i didn't have to chug a potion after the nb tried to gank me or my last potion was used less than 45 seconds ago or the effect already ran out.
The counters to Cloak have way too high opportunity cost and are bad on top of that the only thing that really is great is Mark and that thing is op and only nbs have access to it
When it makes killing your opponents incredibly easy it's worth slotting.
My rule of thumb is to check the team compositions as you're waiting for the BG match to start; if there's 2 or more Nightblades then slot a counter. If one or none then don't bother.
This method of checking is also why I know the whole "40-70% of players in BGs are Nightblades" statistic is a complete lie since I only need to slot a cloak counter 1/3 of the time.
The only time i will ever go back into BGs is with 4 pet sorcs and then i really don't care what the nb wants to do.
Not gonna waste my time in non cp proc fest neither BGs nor OW especially with how unbalanced non cp is
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✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »Truth of the matter is, Cloak counters are insufficient, or NBs wouldn't be rocking Cyro.
Very naive. Players not choosing to slot counters to Cloak is the reason they appear to be lacking. Many don't want to make the sacrifice so they just lay down to NBs and then whine about it.
But you go ahead and use a 5 piece set to counter NBs when you could have used 1 skill slot!
Strawman argument.
Cloak counters are indeed lacking because they´re single purpose. No other ability requires you to use specific counters that only counter said ability and are useless against anything else.
I'll take shields for 500.
Granted, shields don't have the benefit of being total single target damage mitigation via dot suppression and forcing misses + invisible and untargettable + extra damage when up, and they also melt and are costly vs multi enemy pressure... and suck in BGs/noCP.
All unlike a certain cloak.brandonv516 wrote: »Truth of the matter is, Cloak counters are insufficient, or NBs wouldn't be rocking Cyro.
Very naive. Players not choosing to slot counters to Cloak is the reason they appear to be lacking. Many don't want to make the sacrifice so they just lay down to NBs and then whine about it.
But you go ahead and use a 5 piece set to counter NBs when you could have used 1 skill slot!
Yeah and what will you give up to have a potential counter that's not properly working?
A heal?
A damage skill?
A utility skill?
While the 5pc works just as good vs every other class.
There's a reason not many players slot counters to Cloak
First they are unreliable and second you don't have the bar space to do so and third the skill only helps you to fight one single class and is useless vs everyone else.
Slot mage light?
Great you just wrecked your sustain if you don't double bar it because the game can't keep up with different resources pools on your bars.
Slot Expert hunter?
Hooray a skill that's not working unless the nb is directly on you that doesn't provide you anything useful outside of some crit and wpndmg
Detect pots?
Let's hope i didn't have to chug a potion after the nb tried to gank me or my last potion was used less than 45 seconds ago or the effect already ran out.
The counters to Cloak have way too high opportunity cost and are bad on top of that the only thing that really is great is Mark and that thing is op and only nbs have access to it
When it makes killing your opponents incredibly easy it's worth slotting.
My rule of thumb is to check the team compositions as you're waiting for the BG match to start; if there's 2 or more Nightblades then slot a counter. If one or none then don't bother.
This method of checking is also why I know the whole "40-70% of players in BGs are Nightblades" statistic is a complete lie since I only need to slot a cloak counter 1/3 of the time.
Like 50% of my BG experience is templars, annoying, healy, tanky templars, 2) wardens, DKs and NBs 3) Sorcs.Edited by ak_pvp on May 16, 2018 6:06PMMagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Nightblade will either have to slot purge or reconsider their playstyle.
Though not everyone will use this set and it won't always be on you either. I think people will use this to make the Nightblade meta go extinct until most meta NB's are too afraid to play Nightblade anymore and only the adapted good and decent remain. Just speculating here, but this set alone might bring a shift in meta and I'm honestly going to miss this meta.
Spending 5k magicka on a stamina toon to purge a dot which can't be purged. Have you ever played something which isn't maximum duel cheese? With 60k magicka and hiding behind three pets you can handle Sloads, on a medium armor build (doesn't matter which class it is) you can't, especially not as soon as Defile hits you.
Be happy that nb gets destroyed while sorc will be god tier and enjoy it until your class gets destroyed as well. Everybody knows this will happen, even the forum sorcs do. When the time comes I'll gonna explain you as well how to "adapt" to some stupid *** on a class which I don't play.
Now you know exactly how we sorcs felt when Shieldbreaker went live.
Karma.
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✭✭✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »Truth of the matter is, Cloak counters are insufficient, or NBs wouldn't be rocking Cyro.
Very naive. Players not choosing to slot counters to Cloak is the reason they appear to be lacking. Many don't want to make the sacrifice so they just lay down to NBs and then whine about it.
But you go ahead and use a 5 piece set to counter NBs when you could have used 1 skill slot!
Yeah and what will you give up to have a potential counter that's not properly working?
A heal?
A damage skill?
A utility skill?
While the 5pc works just as good vs every other class.
There's a reason not many players slot counters to Cloak
First they are unreliable and second you don't have the bar space to do so and third the skill only helps you to fight one single class and is useless vs everyone else.
Slot mage light?
Great you just wrecked your sustain if you don't double bar it because the game can't keep up with different resources pools on your bars.
Slot Expert hunter?
Hooray a skill that's not working unless the nb is directly on you that doesn't provide you anything useful outside of some crit and wpndmg
Detect pots?
Let's hope i didn't have to chug a potion after the nb tried to gank me or my last potion was used less than 45 seconds ago or the effect already ran out.
The counters to Cloak have way too high opportunity cost and are bad on top of that the only thing that really is great is Mark and that thing is op and only nbs have access to it
When it makes killing your opponents incredibly easy it's worth slotting.
My rule of thumb is to check the team compositions as you're waiting for the BG match to start; if there's 2 or more Nightblades then slot a counter. If one or none then don't bother.
This method of checking is also why I know the whole "40-70% of players in BGs are Nightblades" statistic is a complete lie since I only need to slot a cloak counter 1/3 of the time.
The only time i will ever go back into BGs is with 4 pet sorcs and then i really don't care what the nb wants to do.
Not gonna waste my time in non cp proc fest neither BGs nor OW especially with how unbalanced non cp is
This. noCP is just for the ones that can't handle experienced players. In CP environment most of your enemies will be expirienced players who know how to fight back and counter certain tactics. While in noCP you can find much more rookies, who are very vulnerable to cheese mechanics.
But to the topic. Sload is still no where close to shieldbreaker. Yes it's hard counter to cloak but unlike shieldbreaker it has only % chance to work, not on demand. Also you can heal through it, while you can't heal through shieldbreaker when playing sorc.Say no to Toxic Casuals!
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Zophix✭✭✭Just saying but this topic was supposed to be about sloads and not which class is better.
With that being said, I've been doing a lot of dueling with sloads and believe it or not nightblades and sorcs have been doing fine after a few adjustments.
I've run into people running zaans and sloads, which it difficult to defend against when both are proced. Combining these two sets are the only real problems I've run into.
On the op's post, sloads damage against a nightblade is supposed to pull them out of stealth.1 -
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✭✭✭✭I just think with a name like sload, it should have a snare attached to it.Minalan owes me a beer.
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✭✭✭✭✭I'll take shields for 500.
Granted, shields don't have the benefit of being total single target damage mitigation via dot suppression and forcing misses + invisible and untargettable + extra damage when up, and they also melt and are costly vs multi enemy pressure... and suck in BGs/noCP.
All unlike a certain cloak.
Imo shields aren´t completely out of whack except for harnesstacking on live. All 1 or 2 shield builds are beatable.
The issues remaining are harnesstripplestack + undeath with healingward. Harness tripplestack being somewhat of a neccessity for group play on sorc. The class is way to squishy otherwise.<Noricum>
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✭✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »Truth of the matter is, Cloak counters are insufficient, or NBs wouldn't be rocking Cyro.
Very naive. Players not choosing to slot counters to Cloak is the reason they appear to be lacking. Many don't want to make the sacrifice so they just lay down to NBs and then whine about it.
But you go ahead and use a 5 piece set to counter NBs when you could have used 1 skill slot!
Yeah and what will you give up to have a potential counter that's not properly working?
A heal?
A damage skill?
A utility skill?
While the 5pc works just as good vs every other class.
There's a reason not many players slot counters to Cloak
First they are unreliable and second you don't have the bar space to do so and third the skill only helps you to fight one single class and is useless vs everyone else.
Slot mage light?
Great you just wrecked your sustain if you don't double bar it because the game can't keep up with different resources pools on your bars.
Slot Expert hunter?
Hooray a skill that's not working unless the nb is directly on you that doesn't provide you anything useful outside of some crit and wpndmg
Detect pots?
Let's hope i didn't have to chug a potion after the nb tried to gank me or my last potion was used less than 45 seconds ago or the effect already ran out.
The counters to Cloak have way too high opportunity cost and are bad on top of that the only thing that really is great is Mark and that thing is op and only nbs have access to it
When it makes killing your opponents incredibly easy it's worth slotting.
My rule of thumb is to check the team compositions as you're waiting for the BG match to start; if there's 2 or more Nightblades then slot a counter. If one or none then don't bother.
This method of checking is also why I know the whole "40-70% of players in BGs are Nightblades" statistic is a complete lie since I only need to slot a cloak counter 1/3 of the time.
The only time i will ever go back into BGs is with 4 pet sorcs and then i really don't care what the nb wants to do.
Not gonna waste my time in non cp proc fest neither BGs nor OW especially with how unbalanced non cp is
I hear you there bud. Unfortunately the only thing I hate more than broken proc sets in no-cp is zergs in Cyrodiil.0 -
waitwhat✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »What is it that they always tell Sorcs who complain about Shield Breaker?
"Just slot a few HOTs, bro!'
HAHAHAHA... Time to slot some hots, Nightblades!
We do though.
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But you WILL experience how much it sucks to have an important aspect of your class being countered all the time with no counterplay.
You WILL experience? Like, are you serious? Unlike shield users, NB's have been experiencing it every day since the game has been released. There are so many things that can take a NB out of cloak compared to the one(!) set that goes through shields the comparison is not even this >< little accurate.
*shakes head*
And sload is fine. For all practical purposes, It will increase the cases where my NB's cloak failed to hide me maybe by 0.5%, if that.
Yeah I agree with this in substance and in spirit.
The truth is: No one plays a nightblade because it is easy. No one stuck it out through OT and Homestead because the class was dream to play. The mentality just isn't the same. It's a risk-junkie's class, not a rofl-stomper's class.
Nightblades had it so complicated for so long that they're not going to flail about when things get harder because of one set. I'd wager we'll see more people from the other classes complain about Sloads.
Some recent converts to nightblades may *** and moan, *** and groan about life getting more difficult for nightblades. They may even hold funerals for their nightblades, and then declare the class dead while moving onto some other FOTM. Good riddance.
In their premature schadenfreude regarding cloak being countered by Sloads, the anti-nightblade faction reveals their own lack of fortitude in assuming that others will flail about as they did. The mentality just isn't the same. The class doesn't attract people who struggle with adaptability.
PS: Considering that Shieldbreaker was used for the longest time in pro-sorc arguments against nerfing shields ("They have a hard-counter."), the anti-nightblades may wish to avoid casting Sloads as a cloak-countering set. After all, who needs to adjust cloak when you can just put on Sloads?
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waitwhat✭✭✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »Truth of the matter is, Cloak counters are insufficient, or NBs wouldn't be rocking Cyro.
Very naive. Players not choosing to slot counters to Cloak is the reason they appear to be lacking. Many don't want to make the sacrifice so they just lay down to NBs and then whine about it.
But you go ahead and use a 5 piece set to counter NBs when you could have used 1 skill slot!
Strawman argument.
Cloak counters are indeed lacking because they´re single purpose. No other ability requires you to use specific counters that only counter said ability and are useless against anything else.
@Derra
Cloak counters are not lacking.
Cloak counters are not single purpose: they provide significant benefits in addition to their primary function such that they are useful against non-cloaked enemies.- Camo Hunter gives weapon damage and major savagery just for having it slotted, along with 5 seconds of minor berserk after dealing crit damage from stealth.
- Radiant Magelight gives a spell damage boost and minor sorcery just for having it slotted, and it prevents the stun from stealth for you and your group, along with granting empower after every cast.
- Piercing Mark provides a bonus to weapon and spell crit just by being slotted, it applies major fracture and major breach to the target, along with with a 40% max health heal when the affected target dies, and it sends up a huge column of shadow to let everyone track the target behind cover.
@brandonv516 's argument is valid in that it is reasonable for those concerned about cloaked enemies to slot one of the multiple skills to counter cloak, just as many shield-runners posit slotting Shieldbreaker, Knight-Slayer, or Sloads as valid counters to those who struggle against shields.
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But you WILL experience how much it sucks to have an important aspect of your class being countered all the time with no counterplay.
You WILL experience? Like, are you serious? Unlike shield users, NB's have been experiencing it every day since the game has been released. There are so many things that can take a NB out of cloak compared to the one(!) set that goes through shields the comparison is not even this >< little accurate.
*shakes head*
And sload is fine. For all practical purposes, It will increase the cases where my NB's cloak failed to hide me maybe by 0.5%, if that.
Yeah I agree with this in substance and in spirit.
The truth is: No one plays a nightblade because it is easy. No one stuck it out through OT and Homestead because the class was dream to play. The mentality just isn't the same. It's a risk-junkie's class, not a rofl-stomper's class.
Nightblades had it so complicated for so long that they're not going to flail about when things get harder because of one set. I'd wager we'll see more people from the other classes complain about Sloads.
Some recent converts to nightblades may *** and moan, *** and groan about life getting more difficult for nightblades. They may even hold funerals for their nightblades, and then declare the class dead while moving onto some other FOTM. Good riddance.
In their premature schadenfreude regarding cloak being countered by Sloads, the anti-nightblade faction reveals their own lack of fortitude in assuming that others will flail about as they did. The mentality just isn't the same. The class doesn't attract people who struggle with adaptability.
PS: Considering that Shieldbreaker was used for the longest time in pro-sorc arguments against nerfing shields ("They have a hard-counter."), the anti-nightblades may wish to avoid casting Sloads as a cloak-countering set. After all, who needs to adjust cloak when you can just put on Sloads?
I agree. The good stamina nightblades are going to do fine. There might be fewer out there for those that can’t deal with the reduced healing.
A few bad NB will no doubt rage-reroll to Sorc, since the damage combos on it this patch are insane.
I think we’ll see more magblades this patch. Minus the strife thing, I really think the class is about to be insanely good. Kind of a secret OP meta that I know a few of you have already figured out. I’ll shut up about it now.
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But you WILL experience how much it sucks to have an important aspect of your class being countered all the time with no counterplay.
You WILL experience? Like, are you serious? Unlike shield users, NB's have been experiencing it every day since the game has been released. There are so many things that can take a NB out of cloak compared to the one(!) set that goes through shields the comparison is not even this >< little accurate.
*shakes head*
And sload is fine. For all practical purposes, It will increase the cases where my NB's cloak failed to hide me maybe by 0.5%, if that.
Yeah I agree with this in substance and in spirit.
The truth is: No one plays a nightblade because it is easy. No one stuck it out through OT and Homestead because the class was dream to play. The mentality just isn't the same. It's a risk-junkie's class, not a rofl-stomper's class.
Nightblades had it so complicated for so long that they're not going to flail about when things get harder because of one set. I'd wager we'll see more people from the other classes complain about Sloads.
Some recent converts to nightblades may *** and moan, *** and groan about life getting more difficult for nightblades. They may even hold funerals for their nightblades, and then declare the class dead while moving onto some other FOTM. Good riddance.
In their premature schadenfreude regarding cloak being countered by Sloads, the anti-nightblade faction reveals their own lack of fortitude in assuming that others will flail about as they did. The mentality just isn't the same. The class doesn't attract people who struggle with adaptability.
PS: Considering that Shieldbreaker was used for the longest time in pro-sorc arguments against nerfing shields ("They have a hard-counter."), the anti-nightblades may wish to avoid casting Sloads as a cloak-countering set. After all, who needs to adjust cloak when you can just put on Sloads?
I agree. The good stamina nightblades are going to do fine. There might be fewer out there for those that can’t deal with the reduced healing.
A few bad NB will no doubt rage-reroll to Sorc, since the damage combos on it this patch are insane.
I think we’ll see more magblades this patch. Minus the strife thing, I really think the class is about to be insanely good. Kind of a secret OP meta that I know a few of you have already figured out. I’ll shut up about it now.
I haven't used cloak since the purge got removed. As a non-cloak (well shadowy disguise) Nightblade, my play style is only going to get buffed this update. Btw, care to PM me this secret OP meta build?0 -
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✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Imo Sloads should disable the use of Harness Magicka, Healing Ward and Hardened Ward. Good sorcs will easily adapt by slotting Boneshield and Healing Springs.
I hope you ain't serious about Bone Shield on magicka sorc lol.Imperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel0 -
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But you WILL experience how much it sucks to have an important aspect of your class being countered all the time with no counterplay.
You WILL experience? Like, are you serious? Unlike shield users, NB's have been experiencing it every day since the game has been released. There are so many things that can take a NB out of cloak compared to the one(!) set that goes through shields the comparison is not even this >< little accurate.
*shakes head*
And sload is fine. For all practical purposes, It will increase the cases where my NB's cloak failed to hide me maybe by 0.5%, if that.
Yeah I agree with this in substance and in spirit.
The truth is: No one plays a nightblade because it is easy. No one stuck it out through OT and Homestead because the class was dream to play. The mentality just isn't the same. It's a risk-junkie's class, not a rofl-stomper's class.
Nightblades had it so complicated for so long that they're not going to flail about when things get harder because of one set. I'd wager we'll see more people from the other classes complain about Sloads.
Some recent converts to nightblades may *** and moan, *** and groan about life getting more difficult for nightblades. They may even hold funerals for their nightblades, and then declare the class dead while moving onto some other FOTM. Good riddance.
In their premature schadenfreude regarding cloak being countered by Sloads, the anti-nightblade faction reveals their own lack of fortitude in assuming that others will flail about as they did. The mentality just isn't the same. The class doesn't attract people who struggle with adaptability.
PS: Considering that Shieldbreaker was used for the longest time in pro-sorc arguments against nerfing shields ("They have a hard-counter."), the anti-nightblades may wish to avoid casting Sloads as a cloak-countering set. After all, who needs to adjust cloak when you can just put on Sloads?
I agree. The good stamina nightblades are going to do fine. There might be fewer out there for those that can’t deal with the reduced healing.
A few bad NB will no doubt rage-reroll to Sorc, since the damage combos on it this patch are insane.
I think we’ll see more magblades this patch. Minus the strife thing, I really think the class is about to be insanely good. Kind of a secret OP meta that I know a few of you have already figured out. I’ll shut up about it now.
I don't think it will every be a magblade meta because of how the class plays. most players even really good players can't get the playstyle down. As well as magblade being slow and squishy open world which is a horrible combination. Along wit Cloak being pure garbage if you are snared. Magblade will be strong 1v1 next update like it always is but it will still struggle open world and this will never change until the class gets some snare immunity. There is just something about being slow and squishy, with delayed burst that just doesn't go well with open world pvp. The class is also caught in between two very popular builds. If you like to play a ranged character mag sorc is generally better for open world PvP as well as stamblade being the most popular nightblade build. Magblade is kind of like mag dk you can buff both the classes and a lot of people still won't play them or complain about them. They will keep getting better 1v1 but most people don't care about dueling builds. It would be nice to see some other magblades in cyrodiil instead of all hanging outside of wayrest0
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