Sload: 850 damage/second. 10% chance to proc.
Viper: 1600 damage/second. 100% chance to proc.
Like i said. Only saving grace is the oblivion damage type.
Viper after battle spirit = 800/second.
Viper after battle spirit and 20% mitigation = 640/second.
10% proc chance is quite a lot because it works on all damage. So a weave of light attack, weapon glyph, skill and bash is a 40% proc chance. Add in dots and it will have a VERY high uptime. It also works at range unlike viper.
So we have a set that's already quite strong at 640 dmg/second. (viper 5 piece makes up on average 17% of my sustained dmg on my Stam NB, it's quite a good set)
And we have a new set, which does 850dmg/second, and works as a hardcounter for both cloak and healing ward.
It also has great 2-4 set bonuses (better than viper for pvp, and can be used by magicka classes)
Will I use it and wreck any cloaking NB or shielding sorc/mag nb? Sure.
Is it balanced? Hell no.
Will it be nerfed after I craft a full set of very expensive jewelry? Only wrobel knows
- It will have a high uptime (tho you cannot just add percentages like that), but still not 100%.
- It counters cloak(if it procs), but its not like NB's aren't used to cloak breaking on a myriad other things already, so no big deal there (at least for me, im surprised everytime cloak *does* work).
- I don't see how an 850 damage tick counters healing ward, really. Unless the guy is next to dead already, you have to get through the shield to kill him, and oblivion damage does not help with that. Personal experience with shieldbreaker.
- The set's 2-4 bonuses mark it as a hybrid set, which may not be for everyone.
Remember how knightslayer set was supposed to be the end of the world when it was on PTS according to these forums?
This is the same. A storm in a teapot. Mark my words.
Knightslayer was nerfed by 25% before it hit live. Not a good argument to make.
Knightslayer has been heralded as the set to end all sets well into the actual release, after all PTS adjustments have been made. Where is it now?
Same with shieldbreaker - it was supposed to make magicka sorcs extinct, if you believed the forums. I guarantee you i meet a lot more magicka sorcs nowadays than shieldbreakers.
This set is going to end up being the same. Useful, yes (i'm thinking of using it on my WW, purely because of how the WW has trouble with uncovering cloaked players). But everyone and their mother using this in exclusion of all the other possible sets? No chance.
Knight slayer used to work on every tick of lightning heavies. So it was real strong for a bit.
Now though, it's kind of useless, sloads has been tested and it isn't. How much sloads we will see is another thing, it is quite a sacrifice if solo.
Sload: 850 damage/second. 10% chance to proc.
Viper: 1600 damage/second. 100% chance to proc.
Like i said. Only saving grace is the oblivion damage type.
Viper after battle spirit = 800/second.
Viper after battle spirit and 20% mitigation = 640/second.
10% proc chance is quite a lot because it works on all damage. So a weave of light attack, weapon glyph, skill and bash is a 40% proc chance. Add in dots and it will have a VERY high uptime. It also works at range unlike viper.
So we have a set that's already quite strong at 640 dmg/second. (viper 5 piece makes up on average 17% of my sustained dmg on my Stam NB, it's quite a good set)
And we have a new set, which does 850dmg/second, and works as a hardcounter for both cloak and healing ward.
It also has great 2-4 set bonuses (better than viper for pvp, and can be used by magicka classes)
Will I use it and wreck any cloaking NB or shielding sorc/mag nb? Sure.
Is it balanced? Hell no.
Will it be nerfed after I craft a full set of very expensive jewelry? Only wrobel knows
- It will have a high uptime (tho you cannot just add percentages like that), but still not 100%.
- It counters cloak(if it procs), but its not like NB's aren't used to cloak breaking on a myriad other things already, so no big deal there (at least for me, im surprised everytime cloak *does* work).
- I don't see how an 850 damage tick counters healing ward, really. Unless the guy is next to dead already, you have to get through the shield to kill him, and oblivion damage does not help with that. Personal experience with shieldbreaker.
- The set's 2-4 bonuses mark it as a hybrid set, which may not be for everyone.
Remember how knightslayer set was supposed to be the end of the world when it was on PTS according to these forums?
This is the same. A storm in a teapot. Mark my words.
Knightslayer was nerfed by 25% before it hit live. Not a good argument to make.
Knightslayer has been heralded as the set to end all sets well into the actual release, after all PTS adjustments have been made. Where is it now?
Same with shieldbreaker - it was supposed to make magicka sorcs extinct, if you believed the forums. I guarantee you i meet a lot more magicka sorcs nowadays than shieldbreakers.
This set is going to end up being the same. Useful, yes (i'm thinking of using it on my WW, purely because of how the WW has trouble with uncovering cloaked players). But everyone and their mother using this in exclusion of all the other possible sets? No chance.
Sload: 850 damage/second. 10% chance to proc.
Viper: 1600 damage/second. 100% chance to proc.
Like i said. Only saving grace is the oblivion damage type.
Viper after battle spirit = 800/second.
Viper after battle spirit and 20% mitigation = 640/second.
10% proc chance is quite a lot because it works on all damage. So a weave of light attack, weapon glyph, skill and bash is a 40% proc chance. Add in dots and it will have a VERY high uptime. It also works at range unlike viper.
So we have a set that's already quite strong at 640 dmg/second. (viper 5 piece makes up on average 17% of my sustained dmg on my Stam NB, it's quite a good set)
And we have a new set, which does 850dmg/second, and works as a hardcounter for both cloak and healing ward.
It also has great 2-4 set bonuses (better than viper for pvp, and can be used by magicka classes)
Will I use it and wreck any cloaking NB or shielding sorc/mag nb? Sure.
Is it balanced? Hell no.
Will it be nerfed after I craft a full set of very expensive jewelry? Only wrobel knows
- It will have a high uptime (tho you cannot just add percentages like that), but still not 100%.
- It counters cloak(if it procs), but its not like NB's aren't used to cloak breaking on a myriad other things already, so no big deal there (at least for me, im surprised everytime cloak *does* work).
- I don't see how an 850 damage tick counters healing ward, really. Unless the guy is next to dead already, you have to get through the shield to kill him, and oblivion damage does not help with that. Personal experience with shieldbreaker.
- The set's 2-4 bonuses mark it as a hybrid set, which may not be for everyone.
Remember how knightslayer set was supposed to be the end of the world when it was on PTS according to these forums?
This is the same. A storm in a teapot. Mark my words.
Knightslayer was nerfed by 25% before it hit live. Not a good argument to make.
Knightslayer has been heralded as the set to end all sets well into the actual release, after all PTS adjustments have been made. Where is it now?
Same with shieldbreaker - it was supposed to make magicka sorcs extinct, if you believed the forums. I guarantee you i meet a lot more magicka sorcs nowadays than shieldbreakers.
This set is going to end up being the same. Useful, yes (i'm thinking of using it on my WW, purely because of how the WW has trouble with uncovering cloaked players). But everyone and their mother using this in exclusion of all the other possible sets? No chance.
Knight slayer used to work on every tick of lightning heavies. So it was real strong for a bit.
Now though, it's kind of useless, sloads has been tested and it isn't. How much sloads we will see is another thing, it is quite a sacrifice if solo.
Sload: 850 damage/second. 10% chance to proc.
Viper: 1600 damage/second. 100% chance to proc.
Like i said. Only saving grace is the oblivion damage type.
Viper after battle spirit = 800/second.
Viper after battle spirit and 20% mitigation = 640/second.
10% proc chance is quite a lot because it works on all damage. So a weave of light attack, weapon glyph, skill and bash is a 40% proc chance. Add in dots and it will have a VERY high uptime. It also works at range unlike viper.
So we have a set that's already quite strong at 640 dmg/second. (viper 5 piece makes up on average 17% of my sustained dmg on my Stam NB, it's quite a good set)
And we have a new set, which does 850dmg/second, and works as a hardcounter for both cloak and healing ward.
It also has great 2-4 set bonuses (better than viper for pvp, and can be used by magicka classes)
Will I use it and wreck any cloaking NB or shielding sorc/mag nb? Sure.
Is it balanced? Hell no.
Will it be nerfed after I craft a full set of very expensive jewelry? Only wrobel knows
- It will have a high uptime (tho you cannot just add percentages like that), but still not 100%.
- It counters cloak(if it procs), but its not like NB's aren't used to cloak breaking on a myriad other things already, so no big deal there (at least for me, im surprised everytime cloak *does* work).
- I don't see how an 850 damage tick counters healing ward, really. Unless the guy is next to dead already, you have to get through the shield to kill him, and oblivion damage does not help with that. Personal experience with shieldbreaker.
- The set's 2-4 bonuses mark it as a hybrid set, which may not be for everyone.
Remember how knightslayer set was supposed to be the end of the world when it was on PTS according to these forums?
This is the same. A storm in a teapot. Mark my words.
Knightslayer was nerfed by 25% before it hit live. Not a good argument to make.
Knightslayer has been heralded as the set to end all sets well into the actual release, after all PTS adjustments have been made. Where is it now?
Same with shieldbreaker - it was supposed to make magicka sorcs extinct, if you believed the forums. I guarantee you i meet a lot more magicka sorcs nowadays than shieldbreakers.
This set is going to end up being the same. Useful, yes (i'm thinking of using it on my WW, purely because of how the WW has trouble with uncovering cloaked players). But everyone and their mother using this in exclusion of all the other possible sets? No chance.
Knight slayer used to work on every tick of lightning heavies. So it was real strong for a bit.
Now though, it's kind of useless, sloads has been tested and it isn't. How much sloads we will see is another thing, it is quite a sacrifice if solo.
Knight slayer has also been tested on PTS, that's how the whole "omg" forum storm started in the firstplace. And it wasn't just because of lightning staves.
"Everyone will pair it with torug set and oblivion glyph! Hide your wives!"
"It ignores all defenses and it is IMPOSSIBLE to outheal!"
"Drop whatever you are doing and equip the knightslayer set!"
Don't you remember it? I do. The history repeats itself.
Sload: 850 damage/second. 10% chance to proc.
Viper: 1600 damage/second. 100% chance to proc.
Like i said. Only saving grace is the oblivion damage type.
Viper after battle spirit = 800/second.
Viper after battle spirit and 20% mitigation = 640/second.
10% proc chance is quite a lot because it works on all damage. So a weave of light attack, weapon glyph, skill and bash is a 40% proc chance. Add in dots and it will have a VERY high uptime. It also works at range unlike viper.
So we have a set that's already quite strong at 640 dmg/second. (viper 5 piece makes up on average 17% of my sustained dmg on my Stam NB, it's quite a good set)
And we have a new set, which does 850dmg/second, and works as a hardcounter for both cloak and healing ward.
It also has great 2-4 set bonuses (better than viper for pvp, and can be used by magicka classes)
Will I use it and wreck any cloaking NB or shielding sorc/mag nb? Sure.
Is it balanced? Hell no.
Will it be nerfed after I craft a full set of very expensive jewelry? Only wrobel knows
- It will have a high uptime (tho you cannot just add percentages like that), but still not 100%.
- It counters cloak(if it procs), but its not like NB's aren't used to cloak breaking on a myriad other things already, so no big deal there (at least for me, im surprised everytime cloak *does* work).
- I don't see how an 850 damage tick counters healing ward, really. Unless the guy is next to dead already, you have to get through the shield to kill him, and oblivion damage does not help with that. Personal experience with shieldbreaker.
- The set's 2-4 bonuses mark it as a hybrid set, which may not be for everyone.
Remember how knightslayer set was supposed to be the end of the world when it was on PTS according to these forums?
This is the same. A storm in a teapot. Mark my words.
Knightslayer was nerfed by 25% before it hit live. Not a good argument to make.
Knightslayer has been heralded as the set to end all sets well into the actual release, after all PTS adjustments have been made. Where is it now?
Same with shieldbreaker - it was supposed to make magicka sorcs extinct, if you believed the forums. I guarantee you i meet a lot more magicka sorcs nowadays than shieldbreakers.
This set is going to end up being the same. Useful, yes (i'm thinking of using it on my WW, purely because of how the WW has trouble with uncovering cloaked players). But everyone and their mother using this in exclusion of all the other possible sets? No chance.
Knight slayer used to work on every tick of lightning heavies. So it was real strong for a bit.
Now though, it's kind of useless, sloads has been tested and it isn't. How much sloads we will see is another thing, it is quite a sacrifice if solo.
Knight slayer has also been tested on PTS, that's how the whole "omg" forum storm started in the firstplace. And it wasn't just because of lightning staves.
"Everyone will pair it with torug set and oblivion glyph! Hide your wives!"
"It ignores all defenses and it is IMPOSSIBLE to outheal!"
"Drop whatever you are doing and equip the knightslayer set!"
Don't you remember it? I do. The history repeats itself.
Knightslayer was effin nerfed before it made it to live. It was nerfed by 20% because it was too good + made to procc only once on heavyattack.
The only one that does seem to have a very selective memory is you.
Knightslayer has been heralded as the set to end all sets well into the actual release, after all PTS adjustments have been made.
@Derra
I have voiced my negative opinion on Sload's and I have stated I'm not going to use it. It'll go live, anyway, so having the "Shieldbreaker Karma" being spit back at certain people is a joy you can honestly allow me. You know with what ridiculousness we had to discuss with.
@Sharee
As expected, you as an NB main vaaastly exaggerate Cloak counters. Truth of the matter is, Cloak counters are insufficient, or NBs wouldn't be rocking Cyro.
You'll now experience a true counter and I hope that opens your NB eyes.
@Derra
I have voiced my negative opinion on Sload's and I have stated I'm not going to use it. It'll go live, anyway, so having the "Shieldbreaker Karma" being spit back at certain people is a joy you can honestly allow me. You know with what ridiculousness we had to discuss with.
@Sharee
As expected, you as an NB main vaaastly exaggerate Cloak counters. Truth of the matter is, Cloak counters are insufficient, or NBs wouldn't be rocking Cyro.
You'll now experience a true counter and I hope that opens your NB eyes.
Another clueless player. I dont emcounter more Nbs than i do any other class and if i do i gladly kill them without that much effort.
@Derra
I have voiced my negative opinion on Sload's and I have stated I'm not going to use it. It'll go live, anyway, so having the "Shieldbreaker Karma" being spit back at certain people is a joy you can honestly allow me. You know with what ridiculousness we had to discuss with.
@Sharee
As expected, you as an NB main vaaastly exaggerate Cloak counters. Truth of the matter is, Cloak counters are insufficient, or NBs wouldn't be rocking Cyro.
You'll now experience a true counter and I hope that opens your NB eyes.
Another clueless player. I dont emcounter more Nbs than i do any other class and if i do i gladly kill them without that much effort.
Knightslayer has been heralded as the set to end all sets well into the actual release, after all PTS adjustments have been made.
It´s the great equalizer.
Really no defense mechanic works apart from healing - which is ofc in itself unfair because healing across classes varies. Atleast we get to pair it with op healdebuffs for maximum efficiency.
I think sload could be fine if it wasn't stackable.
Make sload apply a Major debuff like : Major Oblivion dot.
Then if 2 people wear sload vs 1, they will be 1 at the disadventage cuz one of them will have a useless set.
800 oblivion damage per second is not that bad itself. 800x10 is a problem.
I feel like sload is a set made for people without access to defile for make them competitive vs healing machine. But it's an hybrid set and everyone can use it.
NB complaining about sload breaking cloak are just the noobs one.
They are playing the most evade class based and so they are the less exposed to sload proc.
They also seems to forget the new shadow Image which is the best defensive skill in the all game now you can use it when you want and where you want without limits.
You get sloaded ?
Dodge.
Port to you shadow Image.
The most funny fact is that the most shieldbreaker user are NBs and now they complain about a set that's so much less effective to counter a class entirely.
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The purge part I didn’t know, but I don’t play a Templar.
It’s still affected by Thaumaturge CP right? People keep mentioning 800 damage, it should be hitting for around 1K.
This is correct!
Huehuehuehue
The purge part I didn’t know, but I don’t play a Templar.
It’s still affected by Thaumaturge CP right? People keep mentioning 800 damage, it should be hitting for around 1K.
This is correct!
Huehuehuehue
The purge part I didn’t know, but I don’t play a Templar.
It’s still affected by Thaumaturge CP right? People keep mentioning 800 damage, it should be hitting for around 1K.
Doesn't really matter if it is affected by offensive cp. Because if it is, it's also affected by defensive cp.
Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Imo Sloads should disable the use of Harness Magicka, Healing Ward and Hardened Ward. Good sorcs will easily adapt by slotting Boneshield and Healing Springs.
This is correct!
Huehuehuehue
The purge part I didn’t know, but I don’t play a Templar.
It’s still affected by Thaumaturge CP right? People keep mentioning 800 damage, it should be hitting for around 1K.
Doesn't really matter if it is affected by offensive cp. Because if it is, it's also affected by defensive cp.
How many people are running around with 20% in dot damage reduction though?