I know a way to make sure stam dps is NOT blacklisted in trials..

Ihatenightblades

So i think i know a way to give stam dps a buff in pve for upcoming expansion since they no longer can share penetration buffs we will see slightly lower dps. A lot of magicka builds are all hitting 50k+ in raid parse so stam is gonna need to hit a lil harder.

I think if you add a penetration bonus to medium armor ( i would say about 3500 to be balanced ) it would keep stam relevant in trials AND it wouldnt be op for pvo since medium armor is always begging for buffs.

Atm ( sumerset ) magicka builds can run all damage sets and use apprentice mundust stone and still be at pen cap with torugs and crusher enchant and a few points into cp penetration.

How is this balanced? Yes i know stam hits harder before sumerset but thats over now we cant share buffs nomore like sunder and nm so why not give medium armor some penetration?

It literally makes 0 sense why would light armor get 4900 pen from a passive but we cant get 3000?

Give us something this is stupid im already hearing that stam is being blacklisted from trials other than stamplars for minor fracture.

Great job @ZoS ( Not )

FlyLionel

Bringing us back 360 to the point from homestead, magic has the best survival and damage while stamina has good damage and bad survival. I agree with the medium buff but last pts just came out so everything is going live most likely. Rip my 47k sNB going to play anything magic now.

testd4n1

In other news, my Wood Elf StamNB is now going to be a magblade with lower damage than normal and abnormally high stam regen.

Violynne

Another change in the game, another rant fest about balance.

Yet, 4 years later, here we are.

Good grief, does this ever get tired.

Rhetorical question. Please! Don't answer it.

testd4n1

Violynne wrote: »

Another change in the game, another rant fest about balance.

Yet, 4 years later, here we are.

Good grief, does this ever get tired.

Rhetorical question. Please! Don't answer it.

Improvise, adapt and overcome. Hence why my stam character is starting to take the mages guild seriously now lol.

Syncronaut

Easy fix. Make some bosses/adds that reflect all ranged damage.
Oh and also add a limit how many players can stand close to boss so ranged dont stack on them.

testd4n1

Syncronaut wrote: »

Easy fix. Make some bosses/adds that reflect all ranged damage.
Oh and also add a limit how many players can stand close to boss so ranged dont stack on them.

Um, that would be interesting. Having a boss reflect all ranged damage would be cancerous. I'm looking at you Darksade Caverns II. Even my stamblade depends on the bow, but could survive without it.

This, however would be hilarious. You could also have the boss turn it on/off so that you can't just say I'll take all stamDPS into this fight. And have a nasty DOT around the boss when ranged reflections are off so that stam can't stand close to it. Most cancerous fight ever.

laksikus

whinewhine.

change the 12% wep dmg to 4k penetration

themaddaedra

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

So i think i know a way to give stam dps a buff in pve for upcoming expansion since they no longer can share penetration buffs we will see slightly lower dps. A lot of magicka builds are all hitting 50k+ in raid parse so stam is gonna need to hit a lil harder.

I think if you add a penetration bonus to medium armor ( i would say about 3500 to be balanced ) it would keep stam relevant in trials AND it wouldnt be op for pvo since medium armor is always begging for buffs.

Atm ( sumerset ) magicka builds can run all damage sets and use apprentice mundust stone and still be at pen cap with torugs and crusher enchant and a few points into cp penetration.

How is this balanced? Yes i know stam hits harder before sumerset but thats over now we cant share buffs nomore like sunder and nm so why not give medium armor some penetration?

It literally makes 0 sense why would light armor get 4900 pen from a passive but we cant get 3000?

Give us something this is stupid im already hearing that stam is being blacklisted from trials other than stamplars for minor fracture.

Great job @ZoS ( Not )

Brilliantly bad idea.

laksikus wrote: »

whinewhine.

change the 12% wep dmg to 4k penetration

That legit makes more sense lol.

Aebaradath

Stam DPS gets blacklisted from trials?

That explains why I'm never kicked out of one...

josiahva

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

So i think i know a way to give stam dps a buff in pve for upcoming expansion since they no longer can share penetration buffs we will see slightly lower dps. A lot of magicka builds are all hitting 50k+ in raid parse so stam is gonna need to hit a lil harder.

I think if you add a penetration bonus to medium armor ( i would say about 3500 to be balanced ) it would keep stam relevant in trials AND it wouldnt be op for pvo since medium armor is always begging for buffs.

Atm ( sumerset ) magicka builds can run all damage sets and use apprentice mundust stone and still be at pen cap with torugs and crusher enchant and a few points into cp penetration.

How is this balanced? Yes i know stam hits harder before sumerset but thats over now we cant share buffs nomore like sunder and nm so why not give medium armor some penetration?

It literally makes 0 sense why would light armor get 4900 pen from a passive but we cant get 3000?

Give us something this is stupid im already hearing that stam is being blacklisted from trials other than stamplars for minor fracture.

Great job @ZoS ( Not )

Yep, this is why I don't play trials often, because I cant play what I want. I stick mainly to the vet DLC dungeons and vDSA these days.

bloodthirstyvampire

Stamblade still has monster dps just don't get hit

Tasear

Where do you get these numbers?

Sixty5

The 50k+ parses were before the midway changes to light attack scaling.

As of now there are a couple of people pulling close to 50k, but for the most part, you are looking at 40-45k for the top end of DPS's

The reason you are going to see stam blacklisted in trials come summerset is because Cloudrest and Asylum Sanctorum are in no way stam friendly. You can run stam builds there, but playing a ranged Magicka DPS is going to be a lot easier, and you'll probably pull more DPS due to mechanics alone.

Itzmichi

Thank ZoS for the Racechange token. Exclusive with summerset for a bargain of 10k crowns you get a classchange as well

Stam is still doing fine with Relequen +Hundings or Acuity. No worries there probably just switching Mundus

Invincible

The best way to ensure your stam toon doesn't get blacklisted from trials is to respec mag.

LittlePinkDot

Just get rid of bound on pick up. I would rather just buy master weapons for my stamtoons then have to play a magtoon with their god awful sustain.

Nyladreas

You're all wrong. The stealth passive is dead. Change that to something useful or give it an actual useful stat. Penetration would be awesome.

pod88kk

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Just get rid of bound on pick up. I would rather just buy master weapons for my stamtoons then have to play a magtoon with their god awful sustain.

No

Dymence

What is blacklisted and what is not depends on what kind of guild you are raiding with.

Also stamina is less common in Asylum not because of DPS, but survivability.

ak_pvp

Stam is strong enough, just not absolute, they already have 12% extra weapon damage in place.

Because of that, they could "outsource" penatration for the group, which you can't do with weapon damage in the case of mag .

peacenote

Sixty5 wrote: »

The reason you are going to see stam blacklisted in trials come summerset is because Cloudrest and Asylum Sanctorum are in no way stam friendly. You can run stam builds there, but playing a ranged Magicka DPS is going to be a lot easier, and you'll probably pull more DPS due to mechanics alone.

Oh, is this how the Magicka Warden is being fixed?

I kid, I kid....

Bbsample197

Invincible wrote: »

The best way to ensure your stam toon doesn't get blacklisted from trials is to respec mag.

unless if youre a templar, otherwise you need to change class

Vapirko

Nyladreas wrote: »

You're all wrong. The stealth passive is dead. Change that to something useful or give it an actual useful stat. Penetration would be awesome.

Too many RPers who apparently can’t live with the stealth passive being moved completely to legerdemain? Idk that’s what always happens when people bring up giving medium an actually useful passive. It’s really dumb. Light and heavy also benefit from the last passive in medium which leaves medium with a total of ONE unique and useful passives in combat in terms of damage/mitigation. That’s bad.

Jowrik

laksikus wrote: »

whinewhine.

change the 12% wep dmg to 4k penetration

You mean the Long Shots passive? I agree. A fixed penetration boost with Bow ability slotted would be nice.