Because I can
Because in 2017 alone, I played over 3000 hours of ESO. (Im a stay at home mom)
Im not a fancy person...I dont go shopping often, I dont go on lavish trips, I dont drink so I dont go to bars, I stopped clubbing before I was 21....
THIS IS WHAT I DO. IM A GAMER.
I have subscribed 22 out of 23 months ive been playing this game.
Ive invested over $1000 into this game, Including subscription fees, ps+, and I make a point to buy extra crowns every month, Sale or not.
Why, You ask?
Because I enjoy this game. This is all I play, Except for the occasional time I pop Skyrim in when theres maintenance. I spend ALOT of time playing this game. I want more content, I want more stuff to customize my characters. Without support and funding, We either get no new content, Or the content we do get will be crappy. I can afford it. My bills are paid. My kids are spoiled. I deserve to spend money on whatever I like. And what I like so happens to be a video game and virtual houses.
This game is projected to last at least 10 years. We arent even at the halfway point of that timeframe. I have many years to keep playing and getting use out of my houses, outfits, mounts, hair, makeup, accessories, etc. that I bought.
Its not a waste if you enjoy what you are doing.
Dont knock people who like to buy the extras and support the game because you dont want to.
jonswowgothackedub17_ESO wrote: »$80 on steak and lobster dinner that i enjoy for 30 mins then turn into poo vs $120 on something that will keep me entertained for 20-30 hrs. You figure out the ROI on that one
I've known people who literally spend around $300 to rent a seat for 3 hours just to watch a sports game they could see on tv and then they don't even have a digital object to look at whenever they want. Talk about crazy!
MLGProPlayer wrote: »It depends how long you play a game for. You'll typically pour over 1000 hours into an MMO, while most single player games are over in 10-20 hours.
BretonMage wrote: »bellatrixed wrote: »How do you justify going to a concert or a movie or buying a new DVD or dropping $60 on a AAA game when people are starving?
This is my first MMO and I am seriously having difficulty with the prices they are asking. I'm used to spending $60 on a game - I often spend about $100 if you take DLCs into account... But $60 on a house in a game, let alone $100? That just strikes me as bizarre.
Obviously people do it and do justify it to themselves. I myself haven't been able to get over that hurdle.
Also... what does it mean now for games that are $60? Does that mean they are massively underpriced?
It's like airfare.
Coach class is the basic game, and you pay $200 for it. If you want the extra luxuries like a bigger seat, quicker service, better food, then you pay an extra $600 to upgrade to first class. You don't need the extra luxuries, of course, and coach class will get you from point A to point B just fine.
The base game is fine on its own. You can get the extra luxuries (the expensive houses), but, like upgrading to first class on a plane, it will cost more than the price of the game.
bellatrixed wrote: »The other thing to consider is that it really isn't totally accurate to put a dollar amount on houses based on crown prices. I save up on crowns during crown sales on top of getting some from my subscription... so I don't really just go out and drop $120 at a time just to buy a new house. I'm sure I'm not alone in that.
But yeah... I just saw a study that said the average person spends $80 on a night out. It will always be confusing to me that if I blow $100 at a bar nobody will really care but if I spend $100 on a digital house I can use for years suddenly I'm irresponsible with my money.
bellatrixed wrote: »The other thing to consider is that it really isn't totally accurate to put a dollar amount on houses based on crown prices. I save up on crowns during crown sales on top of getting some from my subscription... so I don't really just go out and drop $120 at a time just to buy a new house. I'm sure I'm not alone in that.
But yeah... I just saw a study that said the average person spends $80 on a night out. It will always be confusing to me that if I blow $100 at a bar nobody will really care but if I spend $100 on a digital house I can use for years suddenly I'm irresponsible with my money.
N0TPLAYER2 wrote: »The new house - Princely Dawnlight Palace - costs 17,500 crowns to buy furnished.
Who can justify such a large price? I don’t see how the seller OR the buyer can reasonably defend these prices.
What planet are they on? And who is buying these homes?
If you’ve spent anywhere near this price on a house please explain the justification you made to do so. I just DONT get it. Even as a guild house, the game devs really shouldn’t be asking more than $15-$30 tops for these. They’re selling houses at 7x-8x the value of the base game plus dlc. It’s mind boggling to me.
N0TPLAYER2 wrote: »The new house - Princely Dawnlight Palace - costs 17,500 crowns to buy furnished.
Who can justify such a large price? I don’t see how the seller OR the buyer can reasonably defend these prices.
What planet are they on? And who is buying these homes?
If you’ve spent anywhere near this price on a house please explain the justification you made to do so. I just DONT get it. Even as a guild house, the game devs really shouldn’t be asking more than $15-$30 tops for these. They’re selling houses at 7x-8x the value of the base game plus dlc. It’s mind boggling to me.
CyberSkooma wrote: »This most simple answer, at least from the buyers perspective, is that it's not anybodies business what they spend their money on.
ZOS puts it up because they know people will buy it. And people will buy it because they want it. We don't need to know the budget of the buyer, the salary, what bills they have, or what else they spend their money on. If somebody wants it enough, they will pay for it.
Some of us(not me lol) have our bills paid, we don't have kids, spouses or families, and have the freedom to put our money wherever we want (again, not me). I know it's a crazy thought. Maybe this is the only game they play and they're not purchasing 30-60 dollar games every month or so.
N0TPLAYER2 wrote: »The new house - Princely Dawnlight Palace - costs 17,500 crowns to buy furnished.
Who can justify such a large price? I don’t see how the seller OR the buyer can reasonably defend these prices.
What planet are they on? And who is buying these homes?
If you’ve spent anywhere near this price on a house please explain the justification you made to do so. I just DONT get it. Even as a guild house, the game devs really shouldn’t be asking more than $15-$30 tops for these. They’re selling houses at 7x-8x the value of the base game plus dlc. It’s mind boggling to me.
I agree. Houses would need to be FAR more functional than what they are now to even come close to being worth that kind of money. Right now, houses are sadly just expensive, glorified trophy rooms...We would need to be able to farm nodes, fish, interact with more items (like dressers, chests, beds, shelves, etc..) have a far greater cap than what we have now for furnishings, maybe even have the ability to place assistants or NPCs in your homes that actually are capable of interacting with your furnishings. Not to mention a lot of the notable, mansion-esque houses have so much under utilized area. The Craglorn cavern and Hakkvild's High Hall both have inaccessible areas for the footprint that you're paying for. The first house that i think has ever come close to really utilizing the full space and multiple levels is the Princely Dawnlight Palace...but again, it's 17K.
N0TPLAYER2 wrote: »The new house - Princely Dawnlight Palace - costs 17,500 crowns to buy furnished.
Who can justify such a large price? I don’t see how the seller OR the buyer can reasonably defend these prices.
What planet are they on? And who is buying these homes?
If you’ve spent anywhere near this price on a house please explain the justification you made to do so. I just DONT get it. Even as a guild house, the game devs really shouldn’t be asking more than $15-$30 tops for these. They’re selling houses at 7x-8x the value of the base game plus dlc. It’s mind boggling to me.
I agree. Houses would need to be FAR more functional than what they are now to even come close to being worth that kind of money. Right now, houses are sadly just expensive, glorified trophy rooms...We would need to be able to farm nodes, fish, interact with more items (like dressers, chests, beds, shelves, etc..) have a far greater cap than what we have now for furnishings, maybe even have the ability to place assistants or NPCs in your homes that actually are capable of interacting with your furnishings. Not to mention a lot of the notable, mansion-esque houses have so much under utilized area. The Craglorn cavern and Hakkvild's High Hall both have inaccessible areas for the footprint that you're paying for. The first house that i think has ever come close to really utilizing the full space and multiple levels is the Princely Dawnlight Palace...but again, it's 17K.
What about the Grand Topal Hideaway? The private island?
What is hard to understand is how the game costs a fraction of a house, even a premium one.
If you think for a bit you will spend a tiny amount of time in that house, while the rest of your game time will be spend outside that house.
I really enjoy decorating, but houses do not offer much interaction or stuff to do other than running around, deconstructing stuff (if you have crafting stations) and maybe occasional crafting consumables.
It is sad that whales have created this trend and the gaming industry quickly followed the easy money trail. Don't sell me the story with the impoverished developer that needs the money from these items to create more content and so on. Amazing games have been created many years ago before this trend. Some of these games had a community making content for years!
It is all about convenience and greed.
bellatrixed wrote: »The other thing to consider is that it really isn't totally accurate to put a dollar amount on houses based on crown prices. I save up on crowns during crown sales on top of getting some from my subscription... so I don't really just go out and drop $120 at a time just to buy a new house. I'm sure I'm not alone in that.
But yeah... I just saw a study that said the average person spends $80 on a night out. It will always be confusing to me that if I blow $100 at a bar nobody will really care but if I spend $100 on a digital house I can use for years suddenly I'm irresponsible with my money.
To be fair, that's how microtransactions work - you pay in small bits so you don't fully understand how much it all adds up to cost you. Not that I disagree with you, I'm just saying that your same logic can be used to point out how the system is exploitative.
Also, in my world, blowing $100 at a bar is irresponsible. If the people you talk to think that it isn't, that probably says more about them than anything about a double standard.
bellatrixed wrote: »bellatrixed wrote: »The other thing to consider is that it really isn't totally accurate to put a dollar amount on houses based on crown prices. I save up on crowns during crown sales on top of getting some from my subscription... so I don't really just go out and drop $120 at a time just to buy a new house. I'm sure I'm not alone in that.
But yeah... I just saw a study that said the average person spends $80 on a night out. It will always be confusing to me that if I blow $100 at a bar nobody will really care but if I spend $100 on a digital house I can use for years suddenly I'm irresponsible with my money.
To be fair, that's how microtransactions work - you pay in small bits so you don't fully understand how much it all adds up to cost you. Not that I disagree with you, I'm just saying that your same logic can be used to point out how the system is exploitative.
Also, in my world, blowing $100 at a bar is irresponsible. If the people you talk to think that it isn't, that probably says more about them than anything about a double standard.
By that logic any consumer goods are exploitative though. I just finished a 12 book series--the books were $7-$15 each--I didn't realize I spent $140 to read the whole series til I added it up just now! Exploitation!
I get what you're saying, but I'm well aware of how much I spend on ESO. I mean, buying digital currency is nothing new or exclusive to ESO--does it really matter if I spend that $100 on one house or on a mount and a bunch of furniture or on costumes and consumables? What constitutes a good use of that $100 and what becomes exploitative?
In other words, it's entertainment money. If you want to get technical, you can't really justify any entertainment expense while people are starving, but that's not how the world works. It's no more irresponsible to spend that $100 on a digital house than it is to buy several movies or singleplayer games or books.
GrimAndProper wrote: »I just kinda feel like they would make more money if they reduced the prices.... I know I've looked at MANY things in ESO and thought, if that was half that price I would buy it but I can't justify $50 on that ($25 I could justify).
Sadly, I think it is too late. They would need to give crown refunds to those who already bought the items if there was a substantial drop in price or there would be a huge backlash.
There's a strange obsession about ZOS not getting paid in this community.
How much money could a person have made if they did something productive with the hours they have spent playing ESO? Even at minimum wage here in Canada($15/h), I could make enough money to pay for this house in 10 hours of work, that's only 2 short days of work. But, ten hours is nothing in the ESO grind, that might get you one character to 50 during a double XP event.
I am not trying to defend the pricing ZOS has implemented for housing, believe me I would love to pick up these houses for much less. But, there seems to be a strange disconnect in some players minds between the time they invest in this game and the money they invest.
In 10 hours at a minimum wage job, I could get 15,000 crowns.
In 10 hours of doing crafting writs, I could get maybe 350,000-400,000 gold.
How big of a house can we buy for 400k gold? Certainly nothing like the Princely Dawnlight.
I have probably spent 3000 hours playing ESO. At a minimum wage job I could have made $45,000 during that time. But suddenly I am supposed to be outraged at a 10 hour time investment for an in-game mansion? I also don't work for minimum wage, so it's more like 5hours of my time for access to a part of the game I really enjoy.
If I was a casual player and only played ESO a couple hours a week, sure, the price would be outrageous. But, if I only played ESO a few hours a week I wouldn't be buying a house that extravagant.
N0TPLAYER2 wrote: »The new house - Princely Dawnlight Palace - costs 17,500 crowns to buy furnished.
Who can justify such a large price? I don’t see how the seller OR the buyer can reasonably defend these prices.
What planet are they on? And who is buying these homes?
No idea why so much noise about this. If you can't afford you don't buy. Like in real life. I'd like to buy a porsche but I'm not that rich. I won't start crying or go start riots, otherwise I'll go buy Hyundai and be happy .