Jumping "Dodge" should consume stamina

xxthir13enxx

Jump up, jump up and get down!
Jump! Jump! Jump! Jump! (Everybody jump)

https://youtu.be/KZaz7OqyTHQ

raasdal

Jumping does not in any way dodge anything. So no.

Kova

Jumping does not negate AoEs.
Jumping does not "dodge" attacks.

Provide visual proof that it does, and then your claims are valid. Not, "oh I saw it!"

Actual proof.

Is this a troll thread? It has to be. There's no way grown adults are bothered by jumping in a game that affects nothing but personal aim enough to have this discussion.

Everything inside of me just can't accept this is a real discussion. It's not about balance, or actual combat mechanics, or even lore...it's an aggressive stance against...jumping????

Edit:

Hey, this is same person that started a goodbye thread back in November. Welcome back! XD

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/380474/game-over

Wreuntzylla

No, leave jump alone .

You know those 'nerf snipe' posts that pop up once in a while? Started by jumpers. You know the people that reply in those nerf snipe threads and say "wha?!" People in groups who run around non-stop while waiting to move out.

If anything, nerf running around.

Dragonnord

I agree. Jumping is a physical effort made by the character, so it should consume stamina.
 

Danksta

Dragonnord wrote: »

I agree. Jumping is a physical effort made by the character, so it should consume stamina.
 

So does drawing back a bow or swing around a giant sword or even just walking around in plate armor. Sometimes decisions need to be made on how it affects gameplay, not if it's realistic or not, especially in a fantasy game.

Priyasekarssk

lardvader wrote: »

Jumping should not count as dodge and not consume stamina.

Jsmalls wrote: »

Combat jumping was designed and Implemented by magSorcs after the reduction of shield duration to 6 seconds. We felt we needed an added defense, and knowing there were none available to us by the normal means (Dodge rolling and heavy armor didn't synergize well with us) we took it upon ourselves to simply make us harder to hit

lol. You the man.

Priyasekarssk

Chrysa1is wrote: »

I personally think it's silly that jumping around helps dodge attacks. If jumping is going to count as a dodge, then should consume stamina like the dodge roll, otherwise jumping should not count as a dodge.

Discuss

Already many people use that mechanic to dodge , dungoen one shot AOE & Snares mechanics in PVE. Many PVE group will start to cry. Again I am completely against one shot AOE mechanic & AOE snares. Who cares ? Game is designed such a way so called difficulty.

Priyasekarssk

Kova wrote: »

Jumping does not negate AoEs.
Jumping does not "dodge" attacks.

Provide visual proof that it does, and then your claims are valid. Not, "oh I saw it!"

Actual proof.

Is this a troll thread? It has to be. There's no way grown adults are bothered by jumping in a game that affects nothing but personal aim enough to have this discussion.

Everything inside of me just can't accept this is a real discussion. It's not about balance, or actual combat mechanics, or even lore...it's an aggressive stance against...jumping????

Edit:

Hey, this is same person that started a goodbye thread back in November. Welcome back! XD

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/380474/game-over

Jumping negates AOE. Not sure about it will dodge attacks completely.

Theodard

OdinForge wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Even if jumping provides no actual benefit, i am in favor of making jumping cost stamina simply to stop that annoying jumping prick behavior you can see all over cyrodiil nowadays.

This logic is LOL worthy.
I will continue to jump free of stamina cost knowing you're out there.

I in fact will jump twice as much as normal if I possibly can this evening just because it annoys that guy and as a sign of my support of your position on such.

Rohamad_Ali

lol

Kova

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

Jumping does not negate AoEs.
Jumping does not "dodge" attacks.

Provide visual proof that it does, and then your claims are valid. Not, "oh I saw it!"

Actual proof.

Is this a troll thread? It has to be. There's no way grown adults are bothered by jumping in a game that affects nothing but personal aim enough to have this discussion.

Everything inside of me just can't accept this is a real discussion. It's not about balance, or actual combat mechanics, or even lore...it's an aggressive stance against...jumping????

Edit:

Hey, this is same person that started a goodbye thread back in November. Welcome back! XD

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/380474/game-over

Jumping negates AOE. Not sure about it will dodge attacks completely.

PROVE IT.

dsalter

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

lardvader wrote: »

Jumping should not count as dodge and not consume stamina.

Jsmalls wrote: »

Combat jumping was designed and Implemented by magSorcs after the reduction of shield duration to 6 seconds. We felt we needed an added defense, and knowing there were none available to us by the normal means (Dodge rolling and heavy armor didn't synergize well with us) we took it upon ourselves to simply make us harder to hit

lol. You the man.

this is now a nerf sorcs thread

raasdal

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

Jumping does not negate AoEs.
Jumping does not "dodge" attacks.

Provide visual proof that it does, and then your claims are valid. Not, "oh I saw it!"

Actual proof.

Is this a troll thread? It has to be. There's no way grown adults are bothered by jumping in a game that affects nothing but personal aim enough to have this discussion.

Everything inside of me just can't accept this is a real discussion. It's not about balance, or actual combat mechanics, or even lore...it's an aggressive stance against...jumping????

Edit:

Hey, this is same person that started a goodbye thread back in November. Welcome back! XD

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/380474/game-over

Jumping negates AOE. Not sure about it will dodge attacks completely.

Jumping does NOT negate AOE.

Aebaradath

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

Jumping does not negate AoEs.
Jumping does not "dodge" attacks.

Provide visual proof that it does, and then your claims are valid. Not, "oh I saw it!"

Actual proof.

Is this a troll thread? It has to be. There's no way grown adults are bothered by jumping in a game that affects nothing but personal aim enough to have this discussion.

Everything inside of me just can't accept this is a real discussion. It's not about balance, or actual combat mechanics, or even lore...it's an aggressive stance against...jumping????

Edit:

Hey, this is same person that started a goodbye thread back in November. Welcome back! XD

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/380474/game-over

Jumping negates AOE. Not sure about it will dodge attacks completely.

Thogard

Sparr0w wrote: »

Chrysa1is wrote: »

Sparr0w wrote: »

No. nononononononononono.

whys that then?

Sustains already a pile of crap, no need to make it worse. Also if you're aiming at someone jumping and not at the floor you'll still hit them.

If it's the 'well they jumped out of my ground AoE' argument:

1. Why use ground AoE's in PvP anyway? Just use a DoT that they can't walk out of.
2. They could just walk out of it, so by the same argument walking should cost stamina, the same as crouching & running.

EDIT: think I read that jumping ignores LoS (need to be aiming at the enemy on casting and also releasing a skill) so it's an offensive tactic over a defensive one.

That is correct. Being in midair gives you 360 los. You can attack someone who is behind you while you move forward, provides they are in range. It also helps prevent a walkthrough causing your attacks to fail.

The downside of jumping is that you cannot initiate a dodgeroll or a break free in mid air - you must be on the ground in order to dodge or break free.

RedJoker wrote: »

Why stop at jumping? Tea bagging should cost stamina as well - lol.

Crouching does cost stamina ... at least if you move while you do it.

Priyasekarssk

raasdal wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

Jumping does not negate AoEs.
Jumping does not "dodge" attacks.

Provide visual proof that it does, and then your claims are valid. Not, "oh I saw it!"

Actual proof.

Is this a troll thread? It has to be. There's no way grown adults are bothered by jumping in a game that affects nothing but personal aim enough to have this discussion.

Everything inside of me just can't accept this is a real discussion. It's not about balance, or actual combat mechanics, or even lore...it's an aggressive stance against...jumping????

Edit:

Hey, this is same person that started a goodbye thread back in November. Welcome back! XD

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/380474/game-over

Jumping negates AOE. Not sure about it will dodge attacks completely.

Jumping does NOT negate AOE.

LOL. Jumping negates AOE on the floor. Just go to skyreach or VMA. When something on the floor like red AOEs just jump. It wont negates all AOEs. It do negates some. Also it quicken ground based snares while jumping like casting shields in middle of ground AOE , but not movement speed. You have to ask jumpers why they are jumping in PVP area when there is no ground AOEs.

Jumping alone wont negates attacks , as far I know unless you jump of the cliffs.

Colecovision

Why are people talking about physiology and real life logic? The way to regain stamina is to swing a giant battle axe. If you swing it enough times in a row, you will regain it all and be 0% tired. Now, If you just swing half way it wont work. So do a big wind up swing to get that energy back.

Fun > logic

Or play a different game.

PlagueSD

Jumping while in Caltrops should cause additional damage. THIS would stop all the silly jumping in PvP.

Priyasekarssk

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

Jumping does not negate AoEs.
Jumping does not "dodge" attacks.

Provide visual proof that it does, and then your claims are valid. Not, "oh I saw it!"

Actual proof.

Is this a troll thread? It has to be. There's no way grown adults are bothered by jumping in a game that affects nothing but personal aim enough to have this discussion.

Everything inside of me just can't accept this is a real discussion. It's not about balance, or actual combat mechanics, or even lore...it's an aggressive stance against...jumping????

Edit:

Hey, this is same person that started a goodbye thread back in November. Welcome back! XD

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/380474/game-over

Jumping negates AOE. Not sure about it will dodge attacks completely.

LOL. Jumping negates AOE on the floor. Just go to skyreach or VMA. When something on the floor like red AOEs just jump. It wont negates all AOEs. It do negates some. Also it quicken ground based snares while jumping like casting shields in middle of ground AOE , but not movement speed. If you dont know dont comment.

Jumping alone wont negates attacks , as far I know unless you jump of the cliffs.

Priyasekarssk

PlagueSD wrote: »

Jumping while in Caltrops should cause additional damage. THIS would stop all the silly jumping in PvP.

Is there any logic in that ? Jumping to avoid ground AOE is perfectly fine,even logically. This doesnt make any sense , just because someone wont like it. Its their own problem to deal with.

Heka Cain

Oh do pipe down!

redspecter23

I'm not a fan of the players that jump constantly. I get why they do it. It just looks like nonsense. However, since we're on the topic, if jumping around for a defensive advantage should cost stamina, can we put a stamina drain on walking around trees, and running around inside towers as well? I'm not even kidding.

Kova

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

Jumping does not negate AoEs.
Jumping does not "dodge" attacks.

Provide visual proof that it does, and then your claims are valid. Not, "oh I saw it!"

Actual proof.

Is this a troll thread? It has to be. There's no way grown adults are bothered by jumping in a game that affects nothing but personal aim enough to have this discussion.

Everything inside of me just can't accept this is a real discussion. It's not about balance, or actual combat mechanics, or even lore...it's an aggressive stance against...jumping????

Edit:

Hey, this is same person that started a goodbye thread back in November. Welcome back! XD

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/380474/game-over

Jumping negates AOE. Not sure about it will dodge attacks completely.

LOL. Jumping negates AOE on the floor. Just go to skyreach or VMA. When something on the floor like red AOEs just jump. It wont negates all AOEs. It do negates some. Also it quicken ground based snares while jumping like casting shields in middle of ground AOE , but not movement speed. If you dont know dont comment.

Jumping alone wont negates attacks , as far I know unless you jump of the cliffs.

You have the burden of proof. Show us a video of you doing this. If you don't have proof, "don't comment." Jumping does not "quicken" ground based snares while jumping, the debuff ticks at the same rate if you don't jump. We have tools on pc to measure this

Here's my video of testing it in duels:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COLUuvvPuIw

And here's the aforementioned (BY YOU) Skyreach:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnPmTUqkTu4


Notice how the debuff doesn't "quicken" when jumping? And the damage still happens? So unless you are referring to a very specific instance of jumping on AoE, then I don't see your argument. Even then, if it's such an isolated incident, why comment it as if it has any bearing ?

Lexxypwns

On Xbox you jump to bar swap without losing your momentum.

Gilvoth

Colecovision wrote: »

Why are people talking about physiology and real life logic? The way to regain stamina is to swing a giant battle axe. If you swing it enough times in a row, you will regain it all and be 0% tired. Now, If you just swing half way it wont work. So do a big wind up swing to get that energy back.

Fun > logic

Or play a different game.

because it is using the same exact argument you guys used to remove our fast sneak speeds, you guys said:

Quote:

"running as fast as a horse is not realistic"

End Quote:

so the same thing works here perfectly:

"jumping costs stamina in real life, so jumping in game costing nothing is not realistic"

Priyasekarssk

Kova wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

Jumping does not negate AoEs.
Jumping does not "dodge" attacks.

Provide visual proof that it does, and then your claims are valid. Not, "oh I saw it!"

Actual proof.

Is this a troll thread? It has to be. There's no way grown adults are bothered by jumping in a game that affects nothing but personal aim enough to have this discussion.

Everything inside of me just can't accept this is a real discussion. It's not about balance, or actual combat mechanics, or even lore...it's an aggressive stance against...jumping????

Edit:

Hey, this is same person that started a goodbye thread back in November. Welcome back! XD

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/380474/game-over

Jumping negates AOE. Not sure about it will dodge attacks completely.

LOL. Jumping negates AOE on the floor. Just go to skyreach or VMA. When something on the floor like red AOEs just jump. It wont negates all AOEs. It do negates some. Also it quicken ground based snares while jumping like casting shields in middle of ground AOE , but not movement speed. If you dont know dont comment.

Jumping alone wont negates attacks , as far I know unless you jump of the cliffs.

You have the burden of proof. Show us a video of you doing this. If you don't have proof, "don't comment." Jumping does not "quicken" ground based snares while jumping, the debuff ticks at the same rate if you don't jump. We have tools on pc to measure this

Here's my video of testing it in duels:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COLUuvvPuIw

And here's the aforementioned (BY YOU) Skyreach:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnPmTUqkTu4


Notice how the debuff doesn't "quicken" when jumping? And the damage still happens? So unless you are referring to a very specific instance of jumping on AoE, then I don't see your argument. Even then, if it's such an isolated incident, why comment it as if it has any bearing ?

LOL . Good luck with your video proof . Jumping does negates some ground AOEs and quicken snares. In your vidoe itself has the proof how quick shields casted. Jumping also does quicken few things while snared.

Again same words
" Dont comment, when there is no bearing " . Dont waste others time. Again I am not defending troll jumpers, which has no sense.

Kova

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Kova wrote: »

Jumping does not negate AoEs.
Jumping does not "dodge" attacks.

Provide visual proof that it does, and then your claims are valid. Not, "oh I saw it!"

Actual proof.

Is this a troll thread? It has to be. There's no way grown adults are bothered by jumping in a game that affects nothing but personal aim enough to have this discussion.

Everything inside of me just can't accept this is a real discussion. It's not about balance, or actual combat mechanics, or even lore...it's an aggressive stance against...jumping????

Edit:

Hey, this is same person that started a goodbye thread back in November. Welcome back! XD

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/380474/game-over

Jumping negates AOE. Not sure about it will dodge attacks completely.

LOL. Jumping negates AOE on the floor. Just go to skyreach or VMA. When something on the floor like red AOEs just jump. It wont negates all AOEs. It do negates some. Also it quicken ground based snares while jumping like casting shields in middle of ground AOE , but not movement speed. If you dont know dont comment.

Jumping alone wont negates attacks , as far I know unless you jump of the cliffs.

You have the burden of proof. Show us a video of you doing this. If you don't have proof, "don't comment." Jumping does not "quicken" ground based snares while jumping, the debuff ticks at the same rate if you don't jump. We have tools on pc to measure this

Here's my video of testing it in duels:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COLUuvvPuIw

And here's the aforementioned (BY YOU) Skyreach:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnPmTUqkTu4


Notice how the debuff doesn't "quicken" when jumping? And the damage still happens? So unless you are referring to a very specific instance of jumping on AoE, then I don't see your argument. Even then, if it's such an isolated incident, why comment it as if it has any bearing ?

LOL . Good luck with your proof . Jumping does negates some ground AOEs and quicken snares. In your vidoe itself has the proof how quick shields casted. Jumping also does quicken few things while snared.

Again same words
" Dont comment, when there is no bearing " . Dont waste others time.

Dude. I animation cancel shields. Getting really obvious this is a troll thread.

To anyone else reading this thread, pay attention to the discussion and see that this is a very small part of the community. Don't take things at face value, take notice that none of the other players have posted any proof, and this troll is literally denying any other argument and just restating what they originally said with no new evidence, even in the face of videos showing what they say isn't true.

Colecovision

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Colecovision wrote: »

Why are people talking about physiology and real life logic? The way to regain stamina is to swing a giant battle axe. If you swing it enough times in a row, you will regain it all and be 0% tired. Now, If you just swing half way it wont work. So do a big wind up swing to get that energy back.

Fun > logic

Or play a different game.

because it is using the same exact argument you guys used to remove our fast sneak speeds, you guys said:

Quote:

"running as fast as a horse is not realistic"

End Quote:

so the same thing works here perfectly:

"jumping costs stamina in real life, so jumping in game costing nothing is not realistic"

Im a vamp purely for sneak speed. It pisses me off that magblade has better sneak speed than stamblade and I throw night silence on most toons while leveling.

Are you sure you are quoting me? Instead of "you guys" did you mean to say "some other people, but definitely not you coleco because you love sneaking so much"

Either way, they need to do something other than heavy attack resource regen before a real life logic argument can have any validity on this topic. Former arguments need to hold their own water.

Kodrac

Lots of mythology going on in here. Jumping makes your character... wait for it... jump. That's it. It has no other mechanic associated with it.