Any intention of addressing magsorc ganking?

Strider__Roshin

Honestly the overload -> Crystal blast -> overload combo really makes me miss getting Incap'd from stealth. At least with incap I could quickly CC break and kill the ganker. These ganking sorcs are tank killers, and there's no counterplay. It's not fun.

waitwhat

Paging @Waffennacht: Did you do this?

@Daus This entire combo is countered by Absorb Magic, Shimmering Shield, or Reflecting Scale. Just always keep those up (esp. Absorb Magic with 30s duration) when you're liable to get ganked on your tank, and you'll always profit from that combo.

Strider__Roshin

And if you don't use or have access to either of those?

Strider__Roshin

Obviously on my tank I use absorb magic. I'm asking for my non-tank characters.

GreenSoup2HoT

Proceeds to delete stamblade and make magsorc for ganking.... logic.

Lynx7386

A little situational awareness and dodge will counter this easily.

Strider__Roshin

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Proceeds to delete stamblade and make magsorc for ganking.... logic.

I've never been successfully ganked by a single Nightblade before honestly. So ironically these magSorcs are the best gankers yet.

Strider__Roshin

Lynx7386 wrote: »

A little situational awareness and dodge will counter this easily.

You get locked in place from Crystal blast before you can react.

Vaoh

If you want to gank just make a dedicated Snipe build. You’ll be able to kill anyone because apparently Snipe being buggy asf is not enough of an issue for them to fix

Strider__Roshin

Vaoh wrote: »

If you want to gank just make a dedicated Snipe build. You’ll be able to kill anyone because apparently Snipe being buggy asf is not enough of an issue for them to fix

I only get killed by snipe if I'm fighting someone else so that's not an issue.

Vaoh

Daus wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

If you want to gank just make a dedicated Snipe build. You’ll be able to kill anyone because apparently Snipe being buggy asf is not enough of an issue for them to fix

I only get killed by snipe if I'm fighting someone else so that's not an issue.

I see it becoming more of an issue next patch. Luckily there are very few players who make true, dedicated Snipe builds. The snipers you’re used to are just random bad players that run weak builds and basically serve as free AP. If properly built it hits way harder than overloads.

Most importantly Snipe builds get buffed next patch because:
- Infused Jewelry
- 2x free set bonuses
- Meditation to regen resources easy

Combine that with the bugs Snipe has and gg to all builds that aren’t tanks.

Strider__Roshin

Vaoh wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

If you want to gank just make a dedicated Snipe build. You’ll be able to kill anyone because apparently Snipe being buggy asf is not enough of an issue for them to fix

I only get killed by snipe if I'm fighting someone else so that's not an issue.

I see it becoming more of an issue next patch. Luckily there are very few players who make true, dedicated Snipe builds. The snipers you’re used to are just random bad players that run weak builds and basically serve as free AP. If properly built it hits way harder than overloads.

Most importantly Snipe builds get buffed next patch because:
- Infused Jewelry
- 2x free set bonuses
- Meditation to regen resources easy

Combine that with the bugs Snipe has and gg to all builds that aren’t tanks.

An overload is getting an even bigger buff this patch with the aforementioned changes in conjunction with the empowered change.

Vaoh

Daus wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

If you want to gank just make a dedicated Snipe build. You’ll be able to kill anyone because apparently Snipe being buggy asf is not enough of an issue for them to fix

I only get killed by snipe if I'm fighting someone else so that's not an issue.

I see it becoming more of an issue next patch. Luckily there are very few players who make true, dedicated Snipe builds. The snipers you’re used to are just random bad players that run weak builds and basically serve as free AP. If properly built it hits way harder than overloads.

Most importantly Snipe builds get buffed next patch because:
- Infused Jewelry
- 2x free set bonuses
- Meditation to regen resources easy

Combine that with the bugs Snipe has and gg to all builds that aren’t tanks.

An overload is getting an even bigger buff this patch with the aforementioned changes in conjunction with the empowered change.

It makes no sense why they allow Overload to be buffed by Empower tbh. Also it probably stacks with Elemental Weapon.

LonePirate

This entire thread is hilarious. People actually expect changes to be made based on situations encountered in PVP gameplay? My stomach hurts from the laughter.

Strider__Roshin

LonePirate wrote: »

This entire thread is hilarious. People actually expect changes to be made based on situations encountered in PVP gameplay? My stomach hurts from the laughter.

Being unable to be hidden while overload is active is an easy fix.

waitwhat

@Daus

No problem.

1. Consider back-bar sword-and-board on non-tanks rather than using a bow or dual-wield. You see a lot of duelists do this for good reason, and you can still do excellent damage in Cyrodiil with the sword and shield skill line. Doing so would also grant you access to absorb magic.
2. As mag, always keep shields up, and as stam, always keep shuffle active. All of those abilities will give you magicka back from Absorb magic, and they are single target, so you will have dodge chance against them.
3. Whenever you're just standing still and a prime gank target, crouch and stealth up. It's good practice and they can't gank you if they can't see you.

waitwhat

I would look at this as how to counter attacks from stealth generally rather that focus specifically on magsorcs.

jcaceresw

I believe ZOS should create 2 lists for each skill, one for PVE and another for PVP. This way, they can make the changes to skills for PVP without affecting PVE like they usually do. Please @ZOS_GinaBruno could you relay the message to the devs, please?

Tryxus

waitwhat wrote: »

Daus This entire combo is countered by Absorb Magic, Shimmering Shield, or Reflecting Scale. Just always keep those up (esp. Absorb Magic with 30s duration) when you're liable to get ganked on your tank, and you'll always profit from that combo.

Shimmering Shield by itself is not enough to counter this combo. A Warden would have to be fully buffed up with Ice Fortress, Vines, Dampen/Absorb Magic and Shimmering just to stop that

Asmael

Nerf typos first please. Much more important than fixing ganking.

I had 7 heavy armor pieces, Reinforced chest, rest impen and roughly 28k HP. And yes, I blocked the final LA > Impale.

NyassaV

waitwhat wrote: »

Paging @Waffennacht: Did you do this?

@Daus This entire combo is countered by Absorb Magic, Shimmering Shield, or Reflecting Scale. Just always keep those up (esp. Absorb Magic with 30s duration) when you're liable to get ganked on your tank, and you'll always profit from that combo.

It goes right through the Harness Magic and Dampen ward

Vaoh

Tryxus wrote: »

waitwhat wrote: »

Daus This entire combo is countered by Absorb Magic, Shimmering Shield, or Reflecting Scale. Just always keep those up (esp. Absorb Magic with 30s duration) when you're liable to get ganked on your tank, and you'll always profit from that combo.

Shimmering Shield by itself is not enough to counter this combo. A Warden would have to be fully buffed up with Ice Fortress, Vines, Dampen/Absorb Magic and Shimmering just to stop that

^^^^
Shimmering Shield doesn’t cancel projectiles.

Projectiles like Overload can put out such high damage that it cuts through into our health.

waitwhat

Tryxus wrote: »

waitwhat wrote: »

Daus This entire combo is countered by Absorb Magic, Shimmering Shield, or Reflecting Scale. Just always keep those up (esp. Absorb Magic with 30s duration) when you're liable to get ganked on your tank, and you'll always profit from that combo.

Shimmering Shield by itself is not enough to counter this combo. A Warden would have to be fully buffed up with Ice Fortress, Vines, Dampen/Absorb Magic and Shimmering just to stop that

He said he was frustrated with how he dies on his tank to that.

My tank doesn't die to that. His shimmering shield absorbs 75k damage. It scales with health.

For lower health builds, shimmering absolutely is a counter. Within its damage threshold, it does "cancel" projectiles: no health loss and no cc, and more importantly it grants you the split second you need to roll-dodge and react to the gank.

To be honest, if you're worried about being ganked, as the OP was, it's incumbent upon you--and this hypothetical warden--to always stay fully buffed as you described. Keeping your buffs up when you're vulnerable to ganks is not an unreasonable expectation.

NyassaV

waitwhat wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

waitwhat wrote: »

Daus This entire combo is countered by Absorb Magic, Shimmering Shield, or Reflecting Scale. Just always keep those up (esp. Absorb Magic with 30s duration) when you're liable to get ganked on your tank, and you'll always profit from that combo.

Shimmering Shield by itself is not enough to counter this combo. A Warden would have to be fully buffed up with Ice Fortress, Vines, Dampen/Absorb Magic and Shimmering just to stop that

He said he was frustrated with how he dies on his tank to that.

My tank doesn't die to that. His shimmering shield absorbs 75k damage. It scales with health.

For lower health builds, shimmering absolutely is a counter. Within its damage threshold, it does "cancel" projectiles: no health loss and no cc, and more importantly it grants you the split second you need to roll-dodge and react to the gank.

To be honest, if you're worried about being ganked, as the OP was, it's incumbent upon you--and this hypothetical warden--to always stay fully buffed as you described. Keeping your buffs up when you're vulnerable to ganks is not an unreasonable expectation.

Not everyone plays a Warden I have one, I just don't like it

jcaceresw

NyassaV wrote: »

waitwhat wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

waitwhat wrote: »

Daus This entire combo is countered by Absorb Magic, Shimmering Shield, or Reflecting Scale. Just always keep those up (esp. Absorb Magic with 30s duration) when you're liable to get ganked on your tank, and you'll always profit from that combo.

Shimmering Shield by itself is not enough to counter this combo. A Warden would have to be fully buffed up with Ice Fortress, Vines, Dampen/Absorb Magic and Shimmering just to stop that

He said he was frustrated with how he dies on his tank to that.

My tank doesn't die to that. His shimmering shield absorbs 75k damage. It scales with health.

For lower health builds, shimmering absolutely is a counter. Within its damage threshold, it does "cancel" projectiles: no health loss and no cc, and more importantly it grants you the split second you need to roll-dodge and react to the gank.

To be honest, if you're worried about being ganked, as the OP was, it's incumbent upon you--and this hypothetical warden--to always stay fully buffed as you described. Keeping your buffs up when you're vulnerable to ganks is not an unreasonable expectation.

Not everyone plays a Warden I have one, I just don't like it

Same here, they don't have enough dps skills like a sorc or DK. Wish they give us "class change token" on Summerset release.

waitwhat

NyassaV wrote: »

waitwhat wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

waitwhat wrote: »

Daus This entire combo is countered by Absorb Magic, Shimmering Shield, or Reflecting Scale. Just always keep those up (esp. Absorb Magic with 30s duration) when you're liable to get ganked on your tank, and you'll always profit from that combo.

Shimmering Shield by itself is not enough to counter this combo. A Warden would have to be fully buffed up with Ice Fortress, Vines, Dampen/Absorb Magic and Shimmering just to stop that

He said he was frustrated with how he dies on his tank to that.

My tank doesn't die to that. His shimmering shield absorbs 75k damage. It scales with health.

For lower health builds, shimmering absolutely is a counter. Within its damage threshold, it does "cancel" projectiles: no health loss and no cc, and more importantly it grants you the split second you need to roll-dodge and react to the gank.

To be honest, if you're worried about being ganked, as the OP was, it's incumbent upon you--and this hypothetical warden--to always stay fully buffed as you described. Keeping your buffs up when you're vulnerable to ganks is not an unreasonable expectation.

Not everyone plays a Warden I have one, I just don't like it

You don't have to in order to counter this though.

If it really is a big problem, use Absorb Magic and stay crouched unless you absolutely cannot.

Also, Radiant Magelight will prevent the stun from stealth, allowing you to shield, roll, heal, cloak, whatever your class has to counter ganks. Magsorc ganking is not an issue and is easily countered.

BaylorCorvette

I've honestly never had a huge issue with Magsorcs and I run a StamSorc for PvP. They're very predictable with their combos, yes it hits hard but if you know what to expect then it isn't that bad and you know when/what to try and dodge. Same goes for Stamdens, by now we all know what their combos look like, making them predictable. Although I will say if you let your guard down at all or don't keep an eye out for a Stamden then can and will KO you.

zaria

LonePirate wrote: »

This entire thread is hilarious. People actually expect changes to be made based on situations encountered in PVP gameplay? My stomach hurts from the laughter.

This, I assumed this was about sorcerers getting ganked,

Xvorg

Daus wrote: »

Honestly the overload -> Crystal blast -> overload combo really makes me miss getting Incap'd from stealth. At least with incap I could quickly CC break and kill the ganker. These ganking sorcs are tank killers, and there's no counterplay. It's not fun.

Do we nerf the Snipe + medium wave + leap combo too?

NyassaV

waitwhat wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

waitwhat wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

waitwhat wrote: »

Daus This entire combo is countered by Absorb Magic, Shimmering Shield, or Reflecting Scale. Just always keep those up (esp. Absorb Magic with 30s duration) when you're liable to get ganked on your tank, and you'll always profit from that combo.

Shimmering Shield by itself is not enough to counter this combo. A Warden would have to be fully buffed up with Ice Fortress, Vines, Dampen/Absorb Magic and Shimmering just to stop that

He said he was frustrated with how he dies on his tank to that.

My tank doesn't die to that. His shimmering shield absorbs 75k damage. It scales with health.

For lower health builds, shimmering absolutely is a counter. Within its damage threshold, it does "cancel" projectiles: no health loss and no cc, and more importantly it grants you the split second you need to roll-dodge and react to the gank.

To be honest, if you're worried about being ganked, as the OP was, it's incumbent upon you--and this hypothetical warden--to always stay fully buffed as you described. Keeping your buffs up when you're vulnerable to ganks is not an unreasonable expectation.

Not everyone plays a Warden I have one, I just don't like it

You don't have to in order to counter this though.

If it really is a big problem, use Absorb Magic and stay crouched unless you absolutely cannot.

Also, Radiant Magelight will prevent the stun from stealth, allowing you to shield, roll, heal, cloak, whatever your class has to counter ganks. Magsorc ganking is not an issue and is easily countered.

LOL magicka attacks already don't stun you from stealth. It's the Crystal Blast that stuns you

NyassaV

Xvorg wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Honestly the overload -> Crystal blast -> overload combo really makes me miss getting Incap'd from stealth. At least with incap I could quickly CC break and kill the ganker. These ganking sorcs are tank killers, and there's no counterplay. It's not fun.

Do we nerf the Snipe + medium wave + leap combo too?

Yeah nerf snipe too. Get that stupid skill out of the game and make it a non cast viable spammable