Little comment on current Crown "so called" sale.

Malacthulhu

Aimora wrote: »

For me there are things I want in the crown store, but refuse to buy at the meagre 20% if I miss those items so be it, I don’t want the 20% discount to become the norm - if it does then it looks like I have bought my last crowns and will just have to be more choosy when using my sub crowns!

It will be the norm bc people are gonna be able to gift crownstore items, this changes everything lol.

Hallothiel

esotoon wrote: »

huntgod_ESO wrote: »

When did they raise the price of crowns? For example when did the 5500 crown packs go from $23.99 to $39.99?

It is weird for a company to increase the cost of their game currency, normally you make that correction in the item pricing.

Last September, they readjusted Crown Prices in many Countries. The official reason being due to fluctuations in local currencies.

They also introduced larger packs, meaning to get the same price per Crown after bulk discount, you needed to buy bigger packs than before.

In the UK for instance, this time last year a pack of 5500 crowns at full price was £23.99. Due to the changes in Crown Prices and pack sizes, a pack of 5500 crowns in this latest 20% off sale is £23.99.

So for a lot of people, it feels like they are double dipping.


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Not on PS4. 5500 crowns is £19.19 on PS4 UK in the sale.

But we got shafted last year when pc had much larger discount than us.

Giraffon

20% off. <yawn> Who cares?

Let's see...Mark up Crownstore items like 300% then sell crowns 20% off. Yeah...even I can see what's goin' on.

griffkhalifa

SosRuvaak wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

They are just testing the waters to see if enough players buy at lower discounts, they will probably keep or revert back to old prices depending on their success

yea but these tests shouldn't be happening in the first place.

Do you understand how businesses operate? They will charge the highest possible price they can. If no one buys then they will lower the price. It's not greedy -- it's how every for-profit business in the world operates.

Aebaradath

Huh? There's a sale? I didn't even notice the price difference...

Alpheu5

maroite wrote: »

Checked today and for NA/US people, the 21000 pack is still listed as "Best Value" despite the 14000 pack having a very marginal (decimals) increase in crowns per dollar ratio. It was something like 140 crowns per USD for both the 21000 and 14000 packs.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/372170/21000-crown-pack-is-a-penny-too-high-to-be-labeled-best-value#latest

Marcus684

ZOS raising their crown prices? It’s like they’re a corporation trying to maximize profit or something. There’s no reason to get all angry about it. They’re just trying to find that price point where the increase in sales price balances out the decrease in sales volume. Best way to send the message that they’re too expensive is to NOT BUY THEM. I’ve personally never purchased a crown pack because my need to buy crown store items is low, so the crowns I get for subscribing are more than enough for me, but I might be tempted to buy some cosmetic stuff if crowns were more reasonably priced, and the number of crowns required to buy thIngs was lower. $18 for a mount? GTFO of here with that.

Kalante

i cancelled my re sub one day before auto renewed. Almost lost 15 dollars there

Jayman1000

Yeah gonna give this "sale" a wide berth.

Wreuntzylla

Knowledge wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Also, the less people that buy crowns the higher up they will likely go. They have to keep adjusting the crown prices to maintain their bottom line. So, by us protesting and saying the sale isn't good enough we're not really doing ourselves any favors.

That is a great way to go out of business.

You have to look at this from another perspective. There are real people that make these items for us on the crown store and the game has no mandatory subscription fee. These crown items are made by real people, are optional, and those people have families and deserve a decent wage.

In order for the company to pay all of these nice and wonderful people a good amount of money they have to price things in such a manner that they can afford to. That way all of these nice people can have wonderful lives and happy families.

Moreover, some games never have a sale -at all- on their in-game currency. Nor do they have a gem system for getting items you want after RNG fails.

Lastly, crowns ARE optional.

I don't think you understand that this isnt a normal business. Once they design a crownstore item, they have 0 added extra costs after it is in the store and can sell an infinite amount of that item for no further manufacturing costs. Those hosues that cost $100? The mounts that cost $40? You can sell it an infinite number of times.

Go to a guild one time and travel to everyones primary residence and see how many of those $100 homes they sell. Look around at how many limited time only and radiant apex mounts you see. The studio is not hurting financially.

They didn't need to insult us with this "half sale" but they did.

You cant give consumers something (the usual crown sale prices) and then take that thing away without them getting angry. That's 101 right there.

You do understand it requires programming and people capable of making these models for us right? It's just like someone painting a picture for us in reality. Those people have to spend real man hours making those items and should get paid for it.

Players pay for DLC's or subscriptions, ZoS adds content in exchange for the payments, ZoS adds pieces of that content to the Crown Store, and we buy it for more money.

Ain't nobody making original artwork for crown store items.

MalakithAlamahdi

It's funny how not only the price of crowns itself have risen but also the price of items in the crown store. Outfits used to be 500-700 crowns and now even a normal civilian outfit lies between 1000-1500 crowns.

Knowledge

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Also, the less people that buy crowns the higher up they will likely go. They have to keep adjusting the crown prices to maintain their bottom line. So, by us protesting and saying the sale isn't good enough we're not really doing ourselves any favors.

That is a great way to go out of business.

You have to look at this from another perspective. There are real people that make these items for us on the crown store and the game has no mandatory subscription fee. These crown items are made by real people, are optional, and those people have families and deserve a decent wage.

In order for the company to pay all of these nice and wonderful people a good amount of money they have to price things in such a manner that they can afford to. That way all of these nice people can have wonderful lives and happy families.

Moreover, some games never have a sale -at all- on their in-game currency. Nor do they have a gem system for getting items you want after RNG fails.

Lastly, crowns ARE optional.

I don't think you understand that this isnt a normal business. Once they design a crownstore item, they have 0 added extra costs after it is in the store and can sell an infinite amount of that item for no further manufacturing costs. Those hosues that cost $100? The mounts that cost $40? You can sell it an infinite number of times.

Go to a guild one time and travel to everyones primary residence and see how many of those $100 homes they sell. Look around at how many limited time only and radiant apex mounts you see. The studio is not hurting financially.

They didn't need to insult us with this "half sale" but they did.

You cant give consumers something (the usual crown sale prices) and then take that thing away without them getting angry. That's 101 right there.

You do understand it requires programming and people capable of making these models for us right? It's just like someone painting a picture for us in reality. Those people have to spend real man hours making those items and should get paid for it.

Players pay for DLC's or subscriptions, ZoS adds content in exchange for the payments, ZoS adds pieces of that content to the Crown Store, and we buy it for more money.

Ain't nobody making original artwork for crown store items.

You don't think costumes are digital art work or the houses?

Knowledge

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

It's funny how not only the price of crowns itself have risen but also the price of items in the crown store. Outfits used to be 500-700 crowns and now even a normal civilian outfit lies between 1000-1500 crowns.

Well, maybe the cost of development has also gone up. Every three months we get content, we get an expansion each year now, and they are optimizing the engine with multicore use. All of these things cost money.

I don't think discussions on the forums about crowns should be allowed because it causes a lot of people to get upset.

Malacthulhu

Knowledge wrote: »

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

It's funny how not only the price of crowns itself have risen but also the price of items in the crown store. Outfits used to be 500-700 crowns and now even a normal civilian outfit lies between 1000-1500 crowns.

Well, maybe the cost of development has also gone up. Every three months we get content, we get an expansion each year now, and they are optimizing the engine with multicore use. All of these things cost money.

I don't think discussions on the forums about crowns should be allowed because it causes a lot of people to get upset.

So we should not be allowed to discuss stuff bc you think it makes people upset? Wouldn't the thread be locked already if it got out of hand and the ones that might be upset were probably already that way before they posted lol. Sorry, I do not understand this plethora of posters guessing at peoples emotional states, like ok we disagree with crown price or whatever so we are all upset lets, not discuss lol. Sorry, makes no sense to me, and I think feedback should be given regardless and without the idological Dr.Phil wannabes trying to sound like they are the voice of reason.

People should want to sub for more then a cheap storage gimmick and yes the crown sale thing is, well lol bs.

ADarklore

I normally buy a ton of Crowns when there is a sale... this time they received ZERO of my money! This thing they called a 'sale' is disgusting and an insult to every player in the game.

NewBlacksmurf

Aliyavana wrote: »

They are just testing the waters to see if enough players buy at lower discounts, they will probably keep or revert back to old prices depending on their success

I sad the same but then thought.....maybe it’s not a test. Perhaps they hired one who understands currency.

Their sales and use of crowns is often like printing money where it could be too much money so that’s why crown store prices keep getting higher for silly stuff like houses and costumes.

Tyralbin

Here is another thing along the same lines.

Crown crafting motifs. They are selling for 5k crowns but have 6k crossed out like they are on sale.

When did they ever sell @ 6k?

Some of my guildies are complaining about these tactics.

Zos please be careful. All these sales tactics smack of greed. You will only end up hurting your sales figures. Customers/consumers can only be pushed so far.

JasonSilverSpring

Tyralbin wrote: »

Here is another thing along the same lines.

Crown crafting motifs. They are selling for 5k crowns but have 6k crossed out like they are on sale.

When did they ever sell @ 6k?

Some of my guildies are complaining about these tactics.

Zos please be careful. All these sales tactics smack of greed. You will only end up hurting your sales figures. Customers/consumers can only be pushed so far.

I am pretty sure some have sold for 6000. I remember people blowing up in the forums about the price. Not at PC or I would search.

Tyralbin

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

Tyralbin wrote: »

Here is another thing along the same lines.

Crown crafting motifs. They are selling for 5k crowns but have 6k crossed out like they are on sale.

When did they ever sell @ 6k?

Some of my guildies are complaining about these tactics.

Zos please be careful. All these sales tactics smack of greed. You will only end up hurting your sales figures. Customers/consumers can only be pushed so far.

I am pretty sure some have sold for 6000. I remember people blowing up in the forums about the price. Not at PC or I would search.

If that is the case then I am mistaken. It may have been recently. I was hospitalised for 10 days when the BA motifs were up for sale. But then some of my guild members have complained about this to me. Would be nice if you could clarify this for me so I can inform them

Cpt_Teemo

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

Tyralbin wrote: »

Here is another thing along the same lines.

Crown crafting motifs. They are selling for 5k crowns but have 6k crossed out like they are on sale.

When did they ever sell @ 6k?

Some of my guildies are complaining about these tactics.

Zos please be careful. All these sales tactics smack of greed. You will only end up hurting your sales figures. Customers/consumers can only be pushed so far.

I am pretty sure some have sold for 6000. I remember people blowing up in the forums about the price. Not at PC or I would search.

Crown Crafting Motifs: Dro-m'Athra

6,000 - 5,000 (On "Sale")

The funny thing is the full set is only worth about 100k in game or so

JasonSilverSpring

Tyralbin wrote: »

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

Tyralbin wrote: »

Here is another thing along the same lines.

Crown crafting motifs. They are selling for 5k crowns but have 6k crossed out like they are on sale.

When did they ever sell @ 6k?

Some of my guildies are complaining about these tactics.

Zos please be careful. All these sales tactics smack of greed. You will only end up hurting your sales figures. Customers/consumers can only be pushed so far.

I am pretty sure some have sold for 6000. I remember people blowing up in the forums about the price. Not at PC or I would search.

If that is the case then I am mistaken. It may have been recently. I was hospitalised for 10 days when the BA motifs were up for sale. But then some of my guild members have complained about this to me. Would be nice if you could clarify this for me so I can inform them

Here is one I found quickly:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/316428/6000-crowns-for-the-dro-mathra-motif-are-you-kidding-me

MornaBaine

I bought. But this is the last time I'm buying crowns from Zenimax so it was now or never. It really should have been never but I knew I wanted Summerset and some of the things associated with it. I'd already determined I was going to buy crowns for my "last hurrah" so as pitiful as this "sale" is it still saved me a little money. But Zeni has already lost me as a continually paying customer unless they drastically change how they are doing things with the cash shop and the gamble boxes. This "sale" makes that look a little unlikely.

Tyralbin

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

Tyralbin wrote: »

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

Tyralbin wrote: »

Here is another thing along the same lines.

Crown crafting motifs. They are selling for 5k crowns but have 6k crossed out like they are on sale.

When did they ever sell @ 6k?

Some of my guildies are complaining about these tactics.

Zos please be careful. All these sales tactics smack of greed. You will only end up hurting your sales figures. Customers/consumers can only be pushed so far.

I am pretty sure some have sold for 6000. I remember people blowing up in the forums about the price. Not at PC or I would search.

If that is the case then I am mistaken. It may have been recently. I was hospitalised for 10 days when the BA motifs were up for sale. But then some of my guild members have complained about this to me. Would be nice if you could clarify this for me so I can inform them

Here is one I found quickly:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/316428/6000-crowns-for-the-dro-mathra-motif-are-you-kidding-me

Thanks will pass on the info

josiahva

Apache_Kid wrote: »

The whole "well they are a business so they have to make profits" is funny to me.

Do y'all really think this game doesn't make profits in the hundreds of %?

Everything they sell is pixels. Once they design something to sell in the store, they can sell an infinite amount of it with no added manufacturing costs or hours or anything of the sort.

This goes for all the houses, mounts, costumes, etc.

Now, go look at the prices of the big homes. Look at how many of these pixels are over $100. Now, clearly the homes and mounts sell at these prices, if they didn't they would be lower than they are.

So now tell me that this game and it's studio are hurting for profits when they are selling items at a fraction of the manufacturing cost that another company in another industry has to spend to re-sell their goods and they can charge these absurd prices.

I have always said that if we could see the financial revenue this game generates we would all be sick to our stomachs.

Oh, you poor deluded person...you think ESO's prices are bad and their practices are predatory, you really need to play a true P2W game....and then come back and complain about ESO. Not to say I agree with ESO's prices by any means, but they are angelic in comparison with a lot of games, if only you really knew...at least in ESO its only cosmetics that you can buy.

jssriot

Smasherx74 wrote: »

We need to boycott crown sales and force them to lower the prices.

Enough community feedback can make this happen. Easily.

More or less what I did. I don't mind having some extra crowns on hand for the occasional crown store indulgence, but I can do without just fine. I didn't buy any this sale simply because the discount wasn't enticing enough for me. Not really a deliberate boycott but yeah, me no feeling the spendy-spendy, ZOS.

Same with the "sale" on riding lessons a couple weeks back. A discount of 200 crowns just wasn't enough to grab me. ZOS is coming across as pretty scammy lately, more so than usual.

Apache_Kid

josiahva wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

The whole "well they are a business so they have to make profits" is funny to me.

Do y'all really think this game doesn't make profits in the hundreds of %?

Everything they sell is pixels. Once they design something to sell in the store, they can sell an infinite amount of it with no added manufacturing costs or hours or anything of the sort.

This goes for all the houses, mounts, costumes, etc.

Now, go look at the prices of the big homes. Look at how many of these pixels are over $100. Now, clearly the homes and mounts sell at these prices, if they didn't they would be lower than they are.

So now tell me that this game and it's studio are hurting for profits when they are selling items at a fraction of the manufacturing cost that another company in another industry has to spend to re-sell their goods and they can charge these absurd prices.

I have always said that if we could see the financial revenue this game generates we would all be sick to our stomachs.

Oh, you poor deluded person...you think ESO's prices are bad and their practices are predatory, you really need to play a true P2W game....and then come back and complain about ESO. Not to say I agree with ESO's prices by any means, but they are angelic in comparison with a lot of games, if only you really knew...at least in ESO its only cosmetics that you can buy.

Lmao wtf? How am i deluded? Where did i mention p2w or any other game?

Just becuase the crown-store is only cosmetic they should be able to charge over 100$ for a private instance that doesn't even have its own wayshrine?

You brought up something completely off topic..

Davor

Aliyavana wrote: »

They are just testing the waters to see if enough players buy at lower discounts, they will probably keep or revert back to old prices depending on their success

While I agree that Zenimax is a business, but how come they have to insult their customers let alone their loyal customers when doing so? Testing shouldn't equal insulting and that is how I view it. Insulting.

Davor

Bam_Bam wrote: »

ESO's marketing team need to be really careful. Loyalty works both ways and when its only players are demostrating that, it won't take much for them to walk away. If Zenimax manage to lose the player base - thery'd only have themselves to blame.

So true. My loyalty has stopped and Zenimax has lost about $500 from me last year. This just reinforces it. Sadly I think there is more people who stay who spend more money than I do. So I don't matter to Zenimax anymore.

So I just keep playing but not buying. I still haven't pre ordered Summerset yet. After this sale, now I have to consider if I just want to quit and move on to other games now.

Davor

griffkhalifa wrote: »

SosRuvaak wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

They are just testing the waters to see if enough players buy at lower discounts, they will probably keep or revert back to old prices depending on their success

yea but these tests shouldn't be happening in the first place.

Do you understand how businesses operate? They will charge the highest possible price they can. If no one buys then they will lower the price. It's not greedy -- it's how every for-profit business in the world operates.

So business insult their customers? This is old Games Workshop tactics that don't work. While yes it makes them a small profit, Games Workshop found out when you don't insult their customers and give them the illusion of giving them what you want, sales increase HUGELY.

Sadly Zenimax is in the old GW phase. Do what they want, insult their customers and sew anyone with their lawyers.

Stewart1874

I'm not buying crowns again. No value is found in the store and an initial 'supporting the game you love' has been warped into feeding the monster.

If it was feasible to cancel my sub I would. I'm utterly disgusted at what ZOS thinks is acceptable.

Corporate greed ruins another game. Well done guys. GG.