Little comment on current Crown "so called" sale.

Bam_Bam

Think it's finally starting to dawn on people that we are geting fleeced at just about every single turn. Crown crates and throttling the life out of the RNG attached to them. increasing the price of crowns. Mark my words - subscriptions will be going up eventually. There are a whole bunch of new games on the horizon plus there are lots other games around. ...

ESO's marketing team need to be really careful. Loyalty works both ways and when its only players are demostrating that, it won't take much for them to walk away. If Zenimax manage to lose the player base - thery'd only have themselves to blame.

Cpt_Teemo

EffBie wrote: »

Once upon a time the biggest package of Crowns you could buy was 5500. They cost £23.99 which meant each crown cost 0.44p There were regular real sales where the price came down to £14.99 which meant each crown cost 0.26p or about a 40% reduction. I was very happy to buy at this price.

Now I can buy 21,000 crowns in bulk. This so called 20% off sale allows me to buy 21,000 at £87.99 which means each crown costs 0.42p

Oh look! the current sale price for buying in massive bulk of 21,000 crowns is the same as the old normal price for buying a sensible moderate quantity of 5500 crowns

Price of crowns has gone up by 20% Spend to achieve best price has gone up by nearly a factor of 5 Sales are not really sales

I won't be buying any more crowns until prices come down to about around 0.30p per crown, or around £60 to £65 per 21,000 crowns. I get a few monthly with ESO in any case.

You won't have to worry about me, just uninstalled ESO for now hoping they come to there senses later in the future heading back to Lotro

danno8

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

EffBie wrote: »

Once upon a time the biggest package of Crowns you could buy was 5500. They cost £23.99 which meant each crown cost 0.44p There were regular real sales where the price came down to £14.99 which meant each crown cost 0.26p or about a 40% reduction. I was very happy to buy at this price.

Now I can buy 21,000 crowns in bulk. This so called 20% off sale allows me to buy 21,000 at £87.99 which means each crown costs 0.42p

Oh look! the current sale price for buying in massive bulk of 21,000 crowns is the same as the old normal price for buying a sensible moderate quantity of 5500 crowns

Price of crowns has gone up by 20% Spend to achieve best price has gone up by nearly a factor of 5 Sales are not really sales

I won't be buying any more crowns until prices come down to about around 0.30p per crown, or around £60 to £65 per 21,000 crowns. I get a few monthly with ESO in any case.

You won't have to worry about me, just uninstalled ESO for now hoping they come to there senses later in the future heading back to Lotro

As someone who loves LotRO and has been playing it since 2008, I have no idea how you can compare the Crown Store to the monstrosity that has become the LotRO Store.

That game has a true $$ to points setup where you can quickly convert real life cash into in game gold and the goldseller problem is completely out of control. The inflation has become absolutely ridiculous as a result and has truly made the game as unattractive to new players as I could imagine.

Also, if you think ZoS servers are laggy at all, go try the LotRO servers. Playing during the day at off-peak times is still terrible with huge delays on skills firing, doors opening etc. I tried to play during the evening several times last month and could not accomplish anything at all.

I love the setting and lore, and the game will always hold a special place in my mmo heart, but it has fallen so far from where it was it makes me want to cry.

Stabbina

Heka Cain wrote: »

They can shove their crowns where the Sun doesn't shine!!!

If they do, I'll be farming Lighless Oubliette 24/7 and get filthy rich

fgoron2000

Pixel_Zealot wrote: »

I'm not really concerned about crown prices, more about what you can do with them.

When a Coldharbour "house" is the same price as a game with 30-60hours of guaranteed fun.
WHY *** WOULD I SPEND THAT MUCH MONEY ON CROWNS TO GET THAT HOUSE?

Agreed...for me, it starts with what I can or can't do with crowns in the store in the first place, and there's not a lot that I currently want to spend them on. I couldn't get Morrowind with them, and I won't be able to get Summerset with them (and with the the grind aspect that jewelry crafting is offering, prolly not gonna buy with real money anyway). I'm maxed on character slots, they've all been renamed at horrendous cost and nevermore, all of my chars except the last are maxed on inventory space, my main crafter is 9/9 and all the others except the very last are each 8/9 or better. I have the Adventure Pack, Imperial Edition and a banker. I bought the DLC's I wanted before I became a subber (IC, TG, DB, Wrothgar), and now the only one that I would buy that I haven't yet, is Clockwork City, and I'd do that only if/when I end my sub. I'm at about cp835, so the only things I'm still leveling are specific skil lines and actives/morphs, so experience scrolls are not needed beyond the ones I get from the free crates.

I have, and will continue to buy housing with in-game gold. From various sources, I have more than enough mounts & pets, and the only one of each that I ever bought with crowns was the white-mane, and one of the dogs that I liked. I don't use face/body markings and only a few costumes are interesting enough to buy, so nope, not much there in the store to interest me. I looked through the store just now in fact, and the only thing that really stood out were the furnishing type storage chests. Those I'll prolly get at some point. I currently have about 5k of crowns, so I wouldn't have bought any now anyway, even at the discount rates they used to offer before, but I'm sure as hell not gonna buy them now. I do think that offering the bulk packages is a good idea, though, but I don't need more crowns, I need more stuff that I wanna buy with crowns. Then and only then, I'll consider buying them again, but not at a 20% discount.

Kikke

I love it when people with zero clue on how economics or business works complains about stuff they have no idea about.

Cpt_Teemo

danno8 wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

EffBie wrote: »

Once upon a time the biggest package of Crowns you could buy was 5500. They cost £23.99 which meant each crown cost 0.44p There were regular real sales where the price came down to £14.99 which meant each crown cost 0.26p or about a 40% reduction. I was very happy to buy at this price.

Now I can buy 21,000 crowns in bulk. This so called 20% off sale allows me to buy 21,000 at £87.99 which means each crown costs 0.42p

Oh look! the current sale price for buying in massive bulk of 21,000 crowns is the same as the old normal price for buying a sensible moderate quantity of 5500 crowns

Price of crowns has gone up by 20% Spend to achieve best price has gone up by nearly a factor of 5 Sales are not really sales

I won't be buying any more crowns until prices come down to about around 0.30p per crown, or around £60 to £65 per 21,000 crowns. I get a few monthly with ESO in any case.

You won't have to worry about me, just uninstalled ESO for now hoping they come to there senses later in the future heading back to Lotro

As someone who loves LotRO and has been playing it since 2008, I have no idea how you can compare the Crown Store to the monstrosity that has become the LotRO Store.

That game has a true $$ to points setup where you can quickly convert real life cash into in game gold and the goldseller problem is completely out of control. The inflation has become absolutely ridiculous as a result and has truly made the game as unattractive to new players as I could imagine.

Also, if you think ZoS servers are laggy at all, go try the LotRO servers. Playing during the day at off-peak times is still terrible with huge delays on skills firing, doors opening etc. I tried to play during the evening several times last month and could not accomplish anything at all.

I love the setting and lore, and the game will always hold a special place in my mmo heart, but it has fallen so far from where it was it makes me want to cry.

I have been playing during the day and at peeks on Gladden no lag at all basically except in the heavily crowded areas cause of the anniversary and Minas Tirith. Also Crown gifting is coming to ESO so therefore it'll be the about the same as buying something from the store to sell in game just like Lotro / Swtor have it. Also I don't consider 40$ for an expansion all that expensive when it comes with a 60$ item attached to it as well.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

I just completely read this wrong as each Crown was 44p or £0.44 I was confused then

Apache_Kid

The whole "well they are a business so they have to make profits" is funny to me.

Do y'all really think this game doesn't make profits in the hundreds of %?

Everything they sell is pixels. Once they design something to sell in the store, they can sell an infinite amount of it with no added manufacturing costs or hours or anything of the sort.

This goes for all the houses, mounts, costumes, etc.

Now, go look at the prices of the big homes. Look at how many of these pixels are over $100. Now, clearly the homes and mounts sell at these prices, if they didn't they would be lower than they are.

So now tell me that this game and it's studio are hurting for profits when they are selling items at a fraction of the manufacturing cost that another company in another industry has to spend to re-sell their goods and they can charge these absurd prices.

I have always said that if we could see the financial revenue this game generates we would all be sick to our stomachs.

Toast_STS

danno8 wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

In my opinion...
Honestly, Zos, if you had the crowns at 50% of their current value as a regular price. Your profits would skyrocket. Right now half of the population doesn't want it or even can't afford it.

If you run the math on your statement, their profits would only be the same...

If they were selling a physical product like frozen bananas sure. Not digital content that's already been produced.

JasonSilverSpring

Apache_Kid wrote: »

The whole "well they are a business so they have to make profits" is funny to me.

Do y'all really think this game doesn't make profits in the hundreds of %?

Everything they sell is pixels. Once they design something to sell in the store, they can sell an infinite amount of it with no added manufacturing costs or hours or anything of the sort.

This goes for all the houses, mounts, costumes, etc.

Now, go look at the prices of the big homes. Look at how many of these pixels are over $100. Now, clearly the homes and mounts sell at these prices, if they didn't they would be lower than they are.

So now tell me that this game and it's studio are hurting for profits when they are selling items at a fraction of the manufacturing cost that another company in another industry has to spend to re-sell their goods and they can charge these absurd prices.

I have always said that if we could see the financial revenue this game generates we would all be sick to our stomachs.

No one said they are hurting for profits. Businesses don't settle for less than they can earn. They want to maximize returns for investors/owners. It is a private company but they still have investors I am sure.

I hope ZOS is making tons of profit so that they have incentive to continue.

Apache_Kid

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

The whole "well they are a business so they have to make profits" is funny to me.

Do y'all really think this game doesn't make profits in the hundreds of %?

Everything they sell is pixels. Once they design something to sell in the store, they can sell an infinite amount of it with no added manufacturing costs or hours or anything of the sort.

This goes for all the houses, mounts, costumes, etc.

Now, go look at the prices of the big homes. Look at how many of these pixels are over $100. Now, clearly the homes and mounts sell at these prices, if they didn't they would be lower than they are.

So now tell me that this game and it's studio are hurting for profits when they are selling items at a fraction of the manufacturing cost that another company in another industry has to spend to re-sell their goods and they can charge these absurd prices.

I have always said that if we could see the financial revenue this game generates we would all be sick to our stomachs.

No one said they are hurting for profits. Businesses don't settle for less than they can earn. They want to maximize returns for investors/owners. It is a private company but they still have investors I am sure.

I hope ZOS is making tons of profit so that they have incentive to continue.

Here is the problem with that though.

Idk about you, but performance on my platform (Xbox) has gotten worse, not better, over the last year and a half i've been playing this game.

Since then, we've had the great money-making venture of "housing" and "furniture" added to the crown-store.

Crown crates having radiant apex mounts, research reduction scrolls, now jewelry reduction scrolls, more and more ways to generate and make revenue keep making their way into the game and yet it feels as if less and less of that revenue is being re-invested back into the infrastructure of the game (servers, bug fixing teams, etc.) as performance (crashes and number of bugs/issues) have INCREASED since i started playing.

As a customer, this makes me to not want to purchase more things from the crown-store.

That is not a good thing.

JasonSilverSpring

Apache_Kid wrote: »

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

The whole "well they are a business so they have to make profits" is funny to me.

Do y'all really think this game doesn't make profits in the hundreds of %?

Everything they sell is pixels. Once they design something to sell in the store, they can sell an infinite amount of it with no added manufacturing costs or hours or anything of the sort.

This goes for all the houses, mounts, costumes, etc.

Now, go look at the prices of the big homes. Look at how many of these pixels are over $100. Now, clearly the homes and mounts sell at these prices, if they didn't they would be lower than they are.

So now tell me that this game and it's studio are hurting for profits when they are selling items at a fraction of the manufacturing cost that another company in another industry has to spend to re-sell their goods and they can charge these absurd prices.

I have always said that if we could see the financial revenue this game generates we would all be sick to our stomachs.

No one said they are hurting for profits. Businesses don't settle for less than they can earn. They want to maximize returns for investors/owners. It is a private company but they still have investors I am sure.

I hope ZOS is making tons of profit so that they have incentive to continue.

Here is the problem with that though.

Idk about you, but performance on my platform (Xbox) has gotten worse, not better, over the last year and a half i've been playing this game.

Since then, we've had the great money-making venture of "housing" and "furniture" added to the crown-store.

Crown crates having radiant apex mounts, research reduction scrolls, now jewelry reduction scrolls, more and more ways to generate and make revenue keep making their way into the game and yet it feels as if less and less of that revenue is being re-invested back into the infrastructure of the game (servers, bug fixing teams, etc.) as performance (crashes and number of bugs/issues) have INCREASED since i started playing.

As a customer, this makes me to not want to purchase more things from the crown-store.

That is not a good thing.

I am on PC and have not had those problems but agree performance needs improving. There are supposed to be some improvements for consoles with the next update. Not sure if they will help.

I think the real issue though is that they are focused more on new content and balance changes than infrastructure or stability. Not defending it though. I just think they are directing their resources on new content.

craigr02

My theory is they dont want to have a big sale since in about a month summerset will be coming out, also introducing new crown items and gifting, so they are going to want people buying crowns then, not now.
Personally there is nothing in the crown store I want, especially for what they charge. I wont buy the crown crates, even though i most likely would buy their apex mounts, if they were offered on the crown store.
Almost everything else is lackluster.

danno8

Toast_STS wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

In my opinion...
Honestly, Zos, if you had the crowns at 50% of their current value as a regular price. Your profits would skyrocket. Right now half of the population doesn't want it or even can't afford it.

If you run the math on your statement, their profits would only be the same...

If they were selling a physical product like frozen bananas sure. Not digital content that's already been produced.

But it can still be represented by a graph. And the items still have value, even if the cost to produce them is relatively low and fixed.

The Profit vs. Price graph would still be "hill" shaped and ZoS would be looking to get the price set to a level that puts them at the top of the hill without dipping to the left (undercharging for the product) or right (overpriced thus losing # customer sales)

Sure we would all love it if ZoS charged a penny per 5 crowns, they would probably get close to a 100% sales rate. But believe it or not, they would be making far less money than if they found that "sweet spot" at the top of that hill shaped graph.

danno8

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

EffBie wrote: »

Once upon a time the biggest package of Crowns you could buy was 5500. They cost £23.99 which meant each crown cost 0.44p There were regular real sales where the price came down to £14.99 which meant each crown cost 0.26p or about a 40% reduction. I was very happy to buy at this price.

Now I can buy 21,000 crowns in bulk. This so called 20% off sale allows me to buy 21,000 at £87.99 which means each crown costs 0.42p

Oh look! the current sale price for buying in massive bulk of 21,000 crowns is the same as the old normal price for buying a sensible moderate quantity of 5500 crowns

Price of crowns has gone up by 20% Spend to achieve best price has gone up by nearly a factor of 5 Sales are not really sales

I won't be buying any more crowns until prices come down to about around 0.30p per crown, or around £60 to £65 per 21,000 crowns. I get a few monthly with ESO in any case.

Please don't encourage these money-grabbing greedy people by buying at these prices.

You won't have to worry about me, just uninstalled ESO for now hoping they come to there senses later in the future heading back to Lotro

As someone who loves LotRO and has been playing it since 2008, I have no idea how you can compare the Crown Store to the monstrosity that has become the LotRO Store.

That game has a true $$ to points setup where you can quickly convert real life cash into in game gold and the goldseller problem is completely out of control. The inflation has become absolutely ridiculous as a result and has truly made the game as unattractive to new players as I could imagine.

Also, if you think ZoS servers are laggy at all, go try the LotRO servers. Playing during the day at off-peak times is still terrible with huge delays on skills firing, doors opening etc. I tried to play during the evening several times last month and could not accomplish anything at all.

I love the setting and lore, and the game will always hold a special place in my mmo heart, but it has fallen so far from where it was it makes me want to cry.

I have been playing during the day and at peeks on Gladden no lag at all basically except in the heavily crowded areas cause of the anniversary and Minas Tirith. Also Crown gifting is coming to ESO so therefore it'll be the about the same as buying something from the store to sell in game just like Lotro / Swtor have it. Also I don't consider 40$ for an expansion all that expensive when it comes with a 60$ item attached to it as well.

The big difference in LotRO is you can actually easily grind TP (or LotRO points as they are called now) in game by grinding deeds. This is what the bots do since the game is F2P.

They then take those completely free LP's, buy store items with them then spam chat for people to go to their website, give them cash and then they will send them the items which they can "unbind" by using mithril coins (purchased again using those free LP's from grinding).

This is why the bots and spam chat in LotRO is so completely unhinged.

You should also look up how the gifting is going to work in ESO, and the hoops you will need to jump through to be able to gift things. It will require purchase of ESO+, or a Crown pack, so it will not be the completely free, no risk situation that exist over at LotRO.

Cpt_Teemo

danno8 wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

EffBie wrote: »

Once upon a time the biggest package of Crowns you could buy was 5500. They cost £23.99 which meant each crown cost 0.44p There were regular real sales where the price came down to £14.99 which meant each crown cost 0.26p or about a 40% reduction. I was very happy to buy at this price.

Now I can buy 21,000 crowns in bulk. This so called 20% off sale allows me to buy 21,000 at £87.99 which means each crown costs 0.42p

Oh look! the current sale price for buying in massive bulk of 21,000 crowns is the same as the old normal price for buying a sensible moderate quantity of 5500 crowns

Price of crowns has gone up by 20% Spend to achieve best price has gone up by nearly a factor of 5 Sales are not really sales

I won't be buying any more crowns until prices come down to about around 0.30p per crown, or around £60 to £65 per 21,000 crowns. I get a few monthly with ESO in any case.

You won't have to worry about me, just uninstalled ESO for now hoping they come to there senses later in the future heading back to Lotro

As someone who loves LotRO and has been playing it since 2008, I have no idea how you can compare the Crown Store to the monstrosity that has become the LotRO Store.

That game has a true $$ to points setup where you can quickly convert real life cash into in game gold and the goldseller problem is completely out of control. The inflation has become absolutely ridiculous as a result and has truly made the game as unattractive to new players as I could imagine.

Also, if you think ZoS servers are laggy at all, go try the LotRO servers. Playing during the day at off-peak times is still terrible with huge delays on skills firing, doors opening etc. I tried to play during the evening several times last month and could not accomplish anything at all.

I love the setting and lore, and the game will always hold a special place in my mmo heart, but it has fallen so far from where it was it makes me want to cry.

I have been playing during the day and at peeks on Gladden no lag at all basically except in the heavily crowded areas cause of the anniversary and Minas Tirith. Also Crown gifting is coming to ESO so therefore it'll be the about the same as buying something from the store to sell in game just like Lotro / Swtor have it. Also I don't consider 40$ for an expansion all that expensive when it comes with a 60$ item attached to it as well.

The big difference in LotRO is you can actually easily grind TP (or LotRO points as they are called now) in game by grinding deeds. This is what the bots do since the game is F2P.

They then take those completely free LP's, buy store items with them then spam chat for people to go to their website, give them cash and then they will send them the items which they can "unbind" by using mithril coins (purchased again using those free LP's from grinding).

This is why the bots and spam chat in LotRO is so completely unhinged.

You should also look up how the gifting is going to work in ESO, and the hoops you will need to jump through to be able to gift things. It will require purchase of ESO+, or a Crown pack, so it will not be the completely free, no risk situation that exist over at LotRO.

There will be risks no matter what because people are going to be buying crown packs in game trusting the supplier to live up to trading it to them after they bought it, but I can forsee tons of scamming tickets that are not needed flooding support over all the rest of the actual needed to answer tickets.

theivorykitty

I always buy crown packs when they are on sale, and did not/am not going to this time. Maybe it doesn't matter, and they'll make the same profit anyway with less people buying at a higher rate, I don't know. It all depends on how many people buy. I like to hope that it makes a difference that some of us decide not to, though.

Knowledge

I think we'll either see a sale percentage reduction or an overall price increase going forward. This is due to cost of living adjustments. The value of money goes down each year while costs go up.

Knowledge

Also, the less people that buy crowns the higher up they will likely go. They have to keep adjusting the crown prices to maintain their bottom line. So, by us protesting and saying the sale isn't good enough we're not really doing ourselves any favors.

Apache_Kid

Knowledge wrote: »

Also, the less people that buy crowns the higher up they will likely go. They have to keep adjusting the crown prices to maintain their bottom line. So, by us protesting and saying the sale isn't good enough we're not really doing ourselves any favors.

That is a great way to go out of business.

Knowledge

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Also, the less people that buy crowns the higher up they will likely go. They have to keep adjusting the crown prices to maintain their bottom line. So, by us protesting and saying the sale isn't good enough we're not really doing ourselves any favors.

That is a great way to go out of business.

You have to look at this from another perspective. There are real people that make these items for us on the crown store and the game has no mandatory subscription fee. These crown items are made by real people, are optional, and those people have families and deserve a decent wage.

In order for the company to pay all of these nice and wonderful people a good amount of money they have to price things in such a manner that they can afford to. That way all of these nice people can have wonderful lives and happy families.

Moreover, some games never have a sale -at all- on their in-game currency. Nor do they have a gem system for getting items you want after RNG fails.

Lastly, crowns ARE optional.

Apache_Kid

Knowledge wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Also, the less people that buy crowns the higher up they will likely go. They have to keep adjusting the crown prices to maintain their bottom line. So, by us protesting and saying the sale isn't good enough we're not really doing ourselves any favors.

That is a great way to go out of business.

You have to look at this from another perspective. There are real people that make these items for us on the crown store and the game has no mandatory subscription fee. These crown items are made by real people, are optional, and those people have families and deserve a decent wage.

In order for the company to pay all of these nice and wonderful people a good amount of money they have to price things in such a manner that they can afford to. That way all of these nice people can have wonderful lives and happy families.

Moreover, some games never have a sale -at all- on their in-game currency. Nor do they have a gem system for getting items you want after RNG fails.

Lastly, crowns ARE optional.

I don't think you understand that this isnt a normal business. Once they design a crownstore item, they have 0 added extra costs after it is in the store and can sell an infinite amount of that item for no further manufacturing costs. Those hosues that cost $100? The mounts that cost $40? You can sell it an infinite number of times.

Go to a guild one time and travel to everyones primary residence and see how many of those $100 homes they sell. Look around at how many limited time only and radiant apex mounts you see. The studio is not hurting financially.

They didn't need to insult us with this "half sale" but they did.

You cant give consumers something (the usual crown sale prices) and then take that thing away without them getting angry. That's 101 right there.

Knowledge

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Also, the less people that buy crowns the higher up they will likely go. They have to keep adjusting the crown prices to maintain their bottom line. So, by us protesting and saying the sale isn't good enough we're not really doing ourselves any favors.

That is a great way to go out of business.

You have to look at this from another perspective. There are real people that make these items for us on the crown store and the game has no mandatory subscription fee. These crown items are made by real people, are optional, and those people have families and deserve a decent wage.

In order for the company to pay all of these nice and wonderful people a good amount of money they have to price things in such a manner that they can afford to. That way all of these nice people can have wonderful lives and happy families.

Moreover, some games never have a sale -at all- on their in-game currency. Nor do they have a gem system for getting items you want after RNG fails.

Lastly, crowns ARE optional.

I don't think you understand that this isnt a normal business. Once they design a crownstore item, they have 0 added extra costs after it is in the store and can sell an infinite amount of that item for no further manufacturing costs. Those hosues that cost $100? The mounts that cost $40? You can sell it an infinite number of times.

Go to a guild one time and travel to everyones primary residence and see how many of those $100 homes they sell. Look around at how many limited time only and radiant apex mounts you see. The studio is not hurting financially.

They didn't need to insult us with this "half sale" but they did.

You cant give consumers something (the usual crown sale prices) and then take that thing away without them getting angry. That's 101 right there.

You do understand it requires programming and people capable of making these models for us right? It's just like someone painting a picture for us in reality. Those people have to spend real man hours making those items and should get paid for it.

Apache_Kid

Knowledge wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Also, the less people that buy crowns the higher up they will likely go. They have to keep adjusting the crown prices to maintain their bottom line. So, by us protesting and saying the sale isn't good enough we're not really doing ourselves any favors.

That is a great way to go out of business.

You have to look at this from another perspective. There are real people that make these items for us on the crown store and the game has no mandatory subscription fee. These crown items are made by real people, are optional, and those people have families and deserve a decent wage.

In order for the company to pay all of these nice and wonderful people a good amount of money they have to price things in such a manner that they can afford to. That way all of these nice people can have wonderful lives and happy families.

Moreover, some games never have a sale -at all- on their in-game currency. Nor do they have a gem system for getting items you want after RNG fails.

Lastly, crowns ARE optional.

I don't think you understand that this isnt a normal business. Once they design a crownstore item, they have 0 added extra costs after it is in the store and can sell an infinite amount of that item for no further manufacturing costs. Those hosues that cost $100? The mounts that cost $40? You can sell it an infinite number of times.

Go to a guild one time and travel to everyones primary residence and see how many of those $100 homes they sell. Look around at how many limited time only and radiant apex mounts you see. The studio is not hurting financially.

They didn't need to insult us with this "half sale" but they did.

You cant give consumers something (the usual crown sale prices) and then take that thing away without them getting angry. That's 101 right there.

You do understand it requires programming and people capable of making these models for us right? It's just like someone painting a picture for us in reality. Those people have to spend real man hours making those items and should get paid for it.

Obviously they should get paid. Please point to where i said ZoS should use slave labor

Someone still has to design our product at my job
And afterwards, we have to produce hundreds of thousands, Sometimes millions, of that product and all the added manufacturing costs.

Once someone designs and codes that item, they can sell an infinite number of it for no added cost. That's what im saying.

Knowledge

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Also, the less people that buy crowns the higher up they will likely go. They have to keep adjusting the crown prices to maintain their bottom line. So, by us protesting and saying the sale isn't good enough we're not really doing ourselves any favors.

That is a great way to go out of business.

You have to look at this from another perspective. There are real people that make these items for us on the crown store and the game has no mandatory subscription fee. These crown items are made by real people, are optional, and those people have families and deserve a decent wage.

In order for the company to pay all of these nice and wonderful people a good amount of money they have to price things in such a manner that they can afford to. That way all of these nice people can have wonderful lives and happy families.

Moreover, some games never have a sale -at all- on their in-game currency. Nor do they have a gem system for getting items you want after RNG fails.

Lastly, crowns ARE optional.

I don't think you understand that this isnt a normal business. Once they design a crownstore item, they have 0 added extra costs after it is in the store and can sell an infinite amount of that item for no further manufacturing costs. Those hosues that cost $100? The mounts that cost $40? You can sell it an infinite number of times.

Go to a guild one time and travel to everyones primary residence and see how many of those $100 homes they sell. Look around at how many limited time only and radiant apex mounts you see. The studio is not hurting financially.

They didn't need to insult us with this "half sale" but they did.

You cant give consumers something (the usual crown sale prices) and then take that thing away without them getting angry. That's 101 right there.

You do understand it requires programming and people capable of making these models for us right? It's just like someone painting a picture for us in reality. Those people have to spend real man hours making those items and should get paid for it.

Obviously they should get paid. Please point to where i said ZoS should use slave labor

Someone still has to design our product at my job
And afterwards, we have to produce hundreds of thousands, Sometimes millions, of that product and all the added manufacturing costs.

Once someone designs and codes that item, they can sell an infinite number of it for no added cost. That's what im saying.

There are server costs that must be paid and this is one way of paying for those costs. Initially this game was Pay to Play and has been modified to be Buy to Play. In order to pay wages, server costs, and develop new content they have to get money from somewhere. Whether it be cosmetic items or optional subscription fees.

Apache_Kid

Knowledge wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Also, the less people that buy crowns the higher up they will likely go. They have to keep adjusting the crown prices to maintain their bottom line. So, by us protesting and saying the sale isn't good enough we're not really doing ourselves any favors.

That is a great way to go out of business.

You have to look at this from another perspective. There are real people that make these items for us on the crown store and the game has no mandatory subscription fee. These crown items are made by real people, are optional, and those people have families and deserve a decent wage.

In order for the company to pay all of these nice and wonderful people a good amount of money they have to price things in such a manner that they can afford to. That way all of these nice people can have wonderful lives and happy families.

Moreover, some games never have a sale -at all- on their in-game currency. Nor do they have a gem system for getting items you want after RNG fails.

Lastly, crowns ARE optional.

I don't think you understand that this isnt a normal business. Once they design a crownstore item, they have 0 added extra costs after it is in the store and can sell an infinite amount of that item for no further manufacturing costs. Those hosues that cost $100? The mounts that cost $40? You can sell it an infinite number of times.

Go to a guild one time and travel to everyones primary residence and see how many of those $100 homes they sell. Look around at how many limited time only and radiant apex mounts you see. The studio is not hurting financially.

They didn't need to insult us with this "half sale" but they did.

You cant give consumers something (the usual crown sale prices) and then take that thing away without them getting angry. That's 101 right there.

You do understand it requires programming and people capable of making these models for us right? It's just like someone painting a picture for us in reality. Those people have to spend real man hours making those items and should get paid for it.

Obviously they should get paid. Please point to where i said ZoS should use slave labor

Someone still has to design our product at my job
And afterwards, we have to produce hundreds of thousands, Sometimes millions, of that product and all the added manufacturing costs.

Once someone designs and codes that item, they can sell an infinite number of it for no added cost. That's what im saying.

There are server costs that must be paid and this is one way of paying for those costs. Initially this game was Pay to Play and has been modified to be Buy to Play. In order to pay wages, server costs, and develop new content they have to get money from somewhere. Whether it be cosmetic items or optional subscription fees.

They'd be paying server fees even if there was no cash shop so that's irrelevant.

You seem to think i don't think we should have to pay for cosmetic items.

False.

I just want our old sales back. And we deserve them.

Cpt_Teemo

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Also, the less people that buy crowns the higher up they will likely go. They have to keep adjusting the crown prices to maintain their bottom line. So, by us protesting and saying the sale isn't good enough we're not really doing ourselves any favors.

That is a great way to go out of business.

You have to look at this from another perspective. There are real people that make these items for us on the crown store and the game has no mandatory subscription fee. These crown items are made by real people, are optional, and those people have families and deserve a decent wage.

In order for the company to pay all of these nice and wonderful people a good amount of money they have to price things in such a manner that they can afford to. That way all of these nice people can have wonderful lives and happy families.

Moreover, some games never have a sale -at all- on their in-game currency. Nor do they have a gem system for getting items you want after RNG fails.

Lastly, crowns ARE optional.

I don't think you understand that this isnt a normal business. Once they design a crownstore item, they have 0 added extra costs after it is in the store and can sell an infinite amount of that item for no further manufacturing costs. Those hosues that cost $100? The mounts that cost $40? You can sell it an infinite number of times.

Go to a guild one time and travel to everyones primary residence and see how many of those $100 homes they sell. Look around at how many limited time only and radiant apex mounts you see. The studio is not hurting financially.

They didn't need to insult us with this "half sale" but they did.

You cant give consumers something (the usual crown sale prices) and then take that thing away without them getting angry. That's 101 right there.

You do understand it requires programming and people capable of making these models for us right? It's just like someone painting a picture for us in reality. Those people have to spend real man hours making those items and should get paid for it.

Obviously they should get paid. Please point to where i said ZoS should use slave labor

Someone still has to design our product at my job
And afterwards, we have to produce hundreds of thousands, Sometimes millions, of that product and all the added manufacturing costs.

Once someone designs and codes that item, they can sell an infinite number of it for no added cost. That's what im saying.

There are server costs that must be paid and this is one way of paying for those costs. Initially this game was Pay to Play and has been modified to be Buy to Play. In order to pay wages, server costs, and develop new content they have to get money from somewhere. Whether it be cosmetic items or optional subscription fees.

They'd be paying server fees even if there was no cash shop so that's irrelevant.

You seem to think i don't think we should have to pay for cosmetic items.

False.

I just want our old sales back. And we deserve them.

Most games allow you to play the game to earn cosmetics like achievements, and such but here its all about $$$ now

Malacthulhu

I do not care if people buy or not. Personally I am not buying them at 20%, also I do not need them. That being said I do sub. I think the reason they are reducing the discount amount is bc they are banking on the gifting thing producing more sales with basically people trading gold and items for crowns which I think is unethical/whatever. Also, keep in mind they still pay tax on the total revenue before discount, I believe.

Aimora

For me there are things I want in the crown store, but refuse to buy at the meagre 20% if I miss those items so be it, I don’t want the 20% discount to become the norm - if it does then it looks like I have bought my last crowns and will just have to be more choosy when using my sub crowns!