Stamina fighting with Physical Weapons in PvP

carljokl

I have attempted to play some characters in PvP that are stamina based and fight primarily with abilities from the two handed skill line.

I have hit difficulties that make me wonder if it is even a practical way of playing PvP.

I have found opponents particularly Nightblades are fighting me with abilities that auto-target. I try and get a two handed ability attack off to hit them but they move around so much and so fast I struggle to be able to target them to get the attack to hit them. I miss hits while the nightblade is draining off my health from a distance. While trying to target them to hit they keep cloaking and disappearing out of play. Then they will gank attack me from behind but I have to turn around to hit them with a stamina weapon attack.

This has left me wondering if fighting stamina with physical weapons is worthwhile. Still in the reverse situation I have been a Nightblade trying to cloak when someone hits me with a two handed attack so my character is stunned and can't cloak then they splatter me with heavy physical weapon attacks while I am stunned and unable to move.

I am not experience at playing PvP as you may tell but having spent so much time in Cyrodiil lately I am interested in trying to learn to play better.

Thogard

PC or console?

carljokl

Playstation 4.

the_broo11

Fighting stamblades as a 2h build is tricky. The basic gist is to try to survive until they overextend. This means keeping your major resistance buffs up, keeping vigor active, and roll dodge if they reappear on the offensive. If they pressure you with range, then you'll have to either escape or engage them at a melee range. Pay attention to when they use incap so you'll know when its safe for you to pressure offensively. Just be aware that the cost of incap is low, so your window will be small.

The standard stamblade will be built primarily for burst. Assuming that you've built for an equal amount of offense, that means that you can kill them just as fast if you pick the right time. Try to hold an immovable for their offensive push, mitigate their initial burst, and counter with yours. If they immediately recloak, then rebuff and reset. It's very helpful if you have an aoe damage skill (hurricane is my source for this) that can bring them out of cloak as well.

For the reverse situation (you as NB, then as 2h), it's simply a matter of utilizing cloak to control the flow of the fight. Just be careful of the enemy's dawnbreaker since it will be the only way for them to get an instant CC+burst. Also, don't stay within dizzying range unless you're going offensive.

Ragnarock41

If you're a stamsorc/stamplar, use hurricane/jabs to counter their cloak/dodge roll.

If you're a stamDK/stamden, then you're out of luck buddy.

Grimlok_S

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

If you're a stamsorc/stamplar, use hurricane/jabs to counter their cloak/dodge roll.

If you're a stamDK/stamden, then you're out of luck buddy.

Noxious, Volatile and Cleave all pull from stealth.

Ragnarock41

Grimlok_S wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

If you're a stamsorc/stamplar, use hurricane/jabs to counter their cloak/dodge roll.

If you're a stamDK/stamden, then you're out of luck buddy.

Noxious, Volatile and Cleave all pull from stealth.

You don't have to cast hurricane 200 times like noxious/volatile, and as a result you can focus on hitting the nightblade while hurricane does the cloak countering automaticly for you.

As for jabs, its a spammable, and it actually does damage unlike noxious, and it doesn't give a crap about cloak or dodge roll.

Both are much more effective than spamming noxious breath every second only to watch the nightblade heal from %30 to %100 because you can't even have a chance to hit him.

Pinja

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Grimlok_S wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

If you're a stamsorc/stamplar, use hurricane/jabs to counter their cloak/dodge roll.

If you're a stamDK/stamden, then you're out of luck buddy.

Noxious, Volatile and Cleave all pull from stealth.

You don't have to cast hurricane 200 times like noxious/volatile, and as a result you can focus on hitting the nightblade while hurricane does the cloak countering automaticly for you.

As for jabs, its a spammable, and it actually does damage unlike noxious, and it doesn't give a crap about cloak or dodge roll.

Both are much more effective than spamming noxious breath every second only to watch the nightblade heal from %30 to %100 because you can't even have a chance to hit him.

I love DaggerFall. EP and AD just suck! Plain FACTS!1!1! Q-Q sauce, L2P issues, NERF SORC...

Blue Secret- Fighters Guild: Expert hunter.

LittlePinkDot

Make sure you are in 3rd person view, NOT first person.

carljokl

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Make sure you are in 3rd person view, NOT first person.

I already do but thanks.

carljokl

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

Make sure you are in 3rd person view, NOT first person.

I already do but thanks.

Ragnarock41

Pinja wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Grimlok_S wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

If you're a stamsorc/stamplar, use hurricane/jabs to counter their cloak/dodge roll.

If you're a stamDK/stamden, then you're out of luck buddy.

Noxious, Volatile and Cleave all pull from stealth.

You don't have to cast hurricane 200 times like noxious/volatile, and as a result you can focus on hitting the nightblade while hurricane does the cloak countering automaticly for you.

As for jabs, its a spammable, and it actually does damage unlike noxious, and it doesn't give a crap about cloak or dodge roll.

Both are much more effective than spamming noxious breath every second only to watch the nightblade heal from %30 to %100 because you can't even have a chance to hit him.

I love DaggerFall. EP and AD just suck! Plain FACTS!1!1! Q-Q sauce, L2P issues, NERF SORC...

Blue Secret- Fighters Guild: Expert hunter.

except evil hunter costs as much as hurricane(which hurricane itself is expensive but at least lasts for a long long duration) and you have to spam it literally every 3 seconds to be ''effective'' with it. You use that skill, you're out of stamina in no time.

And you have to fight the stamblade, spam evil hunter every 3 seconds,keep your distance short so that he does not go out of evil hunter range and cloak, do all these things while also watching your stamina bar. Simply popping hurricane and going all-in is 100x times easier.


and ironically camo hunter fits nightblades better than other classes, which I find kind of funny.

carljokl

Pinja wrote: »

I love DaggerFall. EP and AD just suck! Plain FACTS!1!1! Q-Q sauce, L2P issues, NERF SORC...

Blue Secret- Fighters Guild: Expert hunter.

A constant in PvP is that when playing a faction, the players trash talk about the players in the other factions. I don't subscribe to the idea that any faction is intrinsically better than any other. Not to mention with (PC/XBox/PS4) x (NA/EU)x(Vivec,Shor,Sotha Sir,Kyne) what may hold at any given time on one server for one platform in one campaign is highly unlikely to be true across every platform and campaign.

caeliusstarbreaker

Time cc with your burst/pressure and ulti.

carljokl

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Time cc with your burst/pressure and ulti.

This pre-supposes a lot of use of terms and acronyms.

I know Ulti = Ultimate.
I assume CC is some form of critical attack.
Burst and Pressure are terms where I don't know the precise definition unless these are specific abilities?

REiiGN15

carljokl wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Time cc with your burst/pressure and ulti.

This pre-supposes a lot of use of terms and acronyms.

I know Ulti = Ultimate.
I assume CC is some form of critical attack.
Burst and Pressure are terms where I don't know the precise definition unless these are specific abilities?

CC is crowd control.

Burst is an ability that gives huge immediate damage, Pressure is like poison/fire damage over time that constantly eats at another player's health getting them to be uncomfortable because they have to manage their resources more.

Burst would be mag Sorc and mag Nightblades, pressure would be templars and dragonknights. Although, all of them have their burst/pressure tendencies.