NA/PC -- GvGs have moved to Legend -- first event was a HUGE success! :D

NightbladeMechanics

This event was a HUGE success. In just a week of organizing, I had 11 guilds RSVP to come and 9 show up, each with 5-9 members rotating in 4v4-6v6 fights. I estimate over 40 active participants with almost as many spectators present -- ballparking 75 total people on location for a solid two and a half hours. Zele and Fengrush streamed the event, and I was told afterward that Fengrush had around 500 viewers throughout. Sick!

@Thogard has posted a video of his group's action in a comment below, and I'm sure others will post some fights on their respective channels as well. I don't have the internet to support making videos myself right now, but check out some screenshots I snapped!

These are some random ones from the start. We had four fights going simultaneously across this big field, outside of heal range of each other and the spectators with the spectators standing on the hill in the middle.

These were taken in a 360 degree panorama at once. You can see how much space the event occupied!

And these are random from the rest of the night

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As of early last week, existing GvG programs have requested to merge with Legend. @Irylia and other community leaders have agreed to converge into one place with the goal of increasing participation and reducing outdated stigmas lingering in the community. I will be overseeing organization of events going forward and employing my resources built within Legend in order to help foster a fun, relaxed, and active GvG community.

Our dueling community is known for tight organization, fun events, friendly competition, and low drama, and now we're expanding that culture into GvGs. All parties are cooperating actively together, and things are looking good! It'll be fun!

This is a new community within the Legend umbrella, based out of our Discord but not necessarily within the in-game Legend guild. Although there will be a lot of overlap, the guild simply doesn't have enough space for everybody... You do not need to be a guild member to participate in GvGs!

Our first event is coming up!
Saturday, April 28
9pm est
Shor - exact location TBD based on the map

Group size will be 3v3-6v6
We're aiming for 6v6s, but group sizes will adjust based on player availability. All matches will be between groups of even sizes. We intend to host events for larger groups in the future if they are desired.

Round robin style
This is not a tournament with brackets. All groups are promised 5 fights versus every other group -- we are here for the fights themselves. The Legend leadership team and I will be coordinating 2 or 3 simultaneous matches out of healing range of spectators and each other.

We will ask groups with other-faction alts to come on underrepresented factions. I cannot promise balanced faction representation, but I will do my best to keep them from being one-sided.

Prizes!

• 2 million gold split evenly among all participating groups
• 50 tripots or immov+speed pots for each Legend guild member who comes as part of a non-guild pickup group
• Recognition, learning, meeting other players, and a good time!

Combat Rules

• All players dump ults at the start of each match
• No crouch stealth
• No cost increasing poisons (magicka, stamina, or ult)
• One each of resto ult, snb ult, tree ult, and Corrosive Armor per team
• No Guard
• No ressing
• One Pirate Skeleton, Troll King, and Zaan per team
• No Meridia's Blessed, Shieldbreaker, Earthgore, or Vaguard's Challenge

These rules are preliminary and subject to change prior to the event. Groups who decline to comply with these rules will be denied additional matches.

Recording and Matchup Rules

• Feel free to record whatever you like, but no uploading videos with the intention or appearance of intending to humiliate.
• Groups may request that recordings of their fights not be uploaded or shared. No uploading or sharing their fights.
• Groups may decline to fight other groups. No antagonizing groups who decline to fight others.

Players or groups who violate these rules will be excluded from future events.

Sign up, or come hang out!
All are welcome to join the Legend Discord with this link --> https://discord.gg/6WTsyDH. <-- Tell us that you're here for the GvGs in our "landing-pad" channel, and we'll give you permissions to view the channels. Send the link to all your friends!

Will the event be streamed?
YES! @Lord_Zele will be streaming all GvG events on his channel at https://www.twitch.tv/lord_zele. He will also be streaming our dueling tournaments going forward. Be sure to tune in!

We have not decided how frequently to host GvG events. We will discuss that and many other details internally over this week and next. Join in on the discussion!

Cheers,

Kena

enzoisadog

dope

LeifErickson

Just to make sure, los is not allowed as well correct?

NightbladeMechanics

LeifErickson wrote: »

Just to make sure, los is not allowed as well correct?

This event’s fights will occur in the open where los around terrain won’t be an option. However, we haven’t discussed banning out targetable pets, or line of sighting around them. I’ll bring it up in Discord, but I imagine that with a group, pets become less of an issue than in a 1v1. It’s definitely worth discussing.

Thogard

<Scrubs Anonymous> will be there and will be looking to continue our undefeated streak!

Will your group be the one to finally dethrone us?

Will <Known Sh$()”(&ers> finally appear?

Will <Scrubs Anonymous> run less than 75% wardens?

Will we finally have a chance to fight <Animosity> due to new improvements in our cheat engines that allow us to fight other EP teams?

Will this be the first GvG where no spectators get dizzy swanked by bored soloers who can’t find groups because they’re soloers?

Will Kena go a full hour without humble-bragging?

Will Zele finally pronounce <Mischievous> correctly on stream?

Find out this weekend!
(But the answer to all of them is probably “no”)

Adenoma

@Thogard , I'm always impressed with your groups when I find you openworld. Always doing dirty stuff with 2-4 people.

Thogard

Adenoma wrote: »

@Thogard , I'm always impressed with your groups when I find you openworld. Always doing dirty stuff with 2-4 people.

Thank you kindly sir

raknorok

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

one place with the goal of increasing participation and reducing outdated stigmas lingering in the community.

If that is the goal why are you banning Vanguard and Guard? Shouldn't one or the other suffice? Do you intend to not allow tanks to compete period? So much for reducing stigmas...

Jadokis

raknorok wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

one place with the goal of increasing participation and reducing outdated stigmas lingering in the community.

If that is the goal why are you banning Vanguard and Guard? Shouldn't one or the other suffice? Do you intend to not allow tanks to compete period? So much for reducing stigmas...

Coming from the person/group who told another group to not run guard, then runs a vanguard tank.

Thogard

Jadokis wrote: »

raknorok wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

one place with the goal of increasing participation and reducing outdated stigmas lingering in the community.

If that is the goal why are you banning Vanguard and Guard? Shouldn't one or the other suffice? Do you intend to not allow tanks to compete period? So much for reducing stigmas...

Coming from the person/group who told another group to not run guard, then runs a vanguard tank.

ha yeah i thought that was pretty clever.

helios777

Guys, Kena just told me there's some more rules for his GvG's.....

No Destro Ults
No Proxy Dets
No one with over 25k health
No Argonians
No Resto Staves
No Magicka Templars with CP in Blessed, not even 1 point.

Enjoy.

NightbladeMechanics

helios777 wrote: »

Guys, Kena just told me there's some more rules for his GvG's.....

No Destro Ults
No Proxy Dets
No one with over 25k health
No Argonians
No Resto Staves
No Magicka Templars with CP in Blessed, not even 1 point.

Enjoy.

Thogard

This was an amazing event! We had far more people show up than I thought, and everyone was extremely respectful and well behaved. I got a ton of footage and I’m talking to some of the groups to get their permission before uploading.

But let’s see how accurate my predictions were

Thogard wrote: »

<Scrubs Anonymous> will be there and will be looking to continue our undefeated streak!

Will your group be the one to finally dethrone us?

Nope, 15-0 baby!

Thogard wrote: »

Will <Known Sh$()”(&ers> finally appear?

Fyresnash subbed in for BLUR and had her KS emblem on but she took it off half way through. Because I used the plural form of the noun though, and only a single KS player was there... I’m gonna give myself credit for this one and say “no”

Thogard wrote: »

Will <Scrubs Anonymous> run less than 75% wardens?

Ugh. Yes. I was wrong. We ran 2x stamden, 1x magden, 1x stamplar, 1x magplar, 1x healthplar. I am disappointed with myself that we didn’t have another stamden to cap out per the rules.

Thogard wrote: »

Will we finally have a chance to fight <Animosity> due to new improvements in our cheat engines that allow us to fight other EP teams?

Animosity also remained undefeated with a strong showing from their players. All my cheat engine did was crash Shor.

Thogard wrote: »

Will this be the first GvG where no spectators get dizzy swanked by bored soloers who can’t find groups because they’re soloers?

It started off really well! While spectators got dizzy swanked towards the end, I have to say that this was the longest we’ve ever lasted before this became a problem... so we’re making progress.

Thogard wrote: »

Will Kena go a full hour without humble-bragging?

Not even five minutes. This one was a freebie though

Thogard wrote: »

Will Zele finally pronounce <Mischievous> correctly on stream?

His stream crashed due to all the lag we caused, so he never got a chance.

Thogard wrote: »

Find out this weekend!
(But the answer to all of them is probably “no”)

So I got 6 out of 7 right! That is a solid B score in my book.

But in all seriousness, this event was a far greater success than I could’ve ever hoped for. Regardless of winning or losing, just seeing all those people there watching was amazing. I look forward to posting videos of the fights.

Thank you again to Kena for organizing! He coordinated the whole thing flawlessly and it’s very clear that a TON of work went into it. Lyser and Zele and Iralia were also very big factors in the success of the event - this would not have happened without them!

We are really looking forward to the next one
(And we’re curiois to see how many of you roll new wardens in the next few weeks lol)

LeifErickson

@Thogard Can you link your YouTube? I'm on mobile so if it's in your signature I can't see it.

Thogard

LeifErickson wrote: »

@Thogard Can you link your YouTube? I'm on mobile so if it's in your signature I can't see it.

I won’t upload any vids until I get permission from all parties involved. This kind of event is meant to bring groups together, and uploading a vid without the other team’s consent often times has the opposite effect.

As soon as I know which fights I can include, I’ll upload it and post a link.

LeifErickson

Thogard wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

@Thogard Can you link your YouTube? I'm on mobile so if it's in your signature I can't see it.

I won’t upload any vids until I get permission from all parties involved. This kind of event is meant to bring groups together, and uploading a vid without the other team’s consent often times has the opposite effect.

As soon as I know which fights I can include, I’ll upload it and post a link.

I was just talking about a link to your channel.

Thogard

LeifErickson wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

@Thogard Can you link your YouTube? I'm on mobile so if it's in your signature I can't see it.

I won’t upload any vids until I get permission from all parties involved. This kind of event is meant to bring groups together, and uploading a vid without the other team’s consent often times has the opposite effect.

As soon as I know which fights I can include, I’ll upload it and post a link.

I was just talking about a link to your channel.

Ah gotcha.

I think i need more subscribers before i can have a link to the channel. Not sure..

but here's the vid!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MGetptlMYg

NightbladeMechanics

Thogard wrote: »

This was an amazing event! We had far more people show up than I thought, and everyone was extremely respectful and well behaved. I got a ton of footage and I’m talking to some of the groups to get their permission before uploading.

But let’s see how accurate my predictions were

Thogard wrote: »

Will Kena go a full hour without humble-bragging?

Not even five minutes. This one was a freebie though

Whaaaaaat? When? Y u do dis to me? >_<

Was super fun having everyone come hang out for the event! Thanks for being part of it!

Shaggygaming

I caught the beginning of the event from a stream and it was packed. Good work on putting together a dope event.

Why didn't the "elite" groups who never run more than 12 have any groups in it? Don't they pride themselves on small numbers?

Hats off to Animosity...Those boys showed up and ready to compete. I look forward to seeing another event like this..wish it was around when I played.

NightbladeMechanics

Shaggygaming wrote: »

I caught the beginning of the event from a stream and it was packed. Good work on putting together a dope event.

Why didn't the "elite" groups who never run more than 12 have any groups in it? Don't they pride themselves on small numbers?

Hats off to Animosity...Those boys showed up and ready to compete. I look forward to seeing another event like this..wish it was around when I played.

Because 12 is large scale, and I only approached active small scale players!

The event was super fun. Glad you enjoyed watching part! I intend to host more events on a regular basis going forward. The community does need this, I agree.

IxSTALKERxI

Nice. Looks like it was some good fights. Interesting that people don't seem to move much though, it's like they engage once at the start and fight among each other to the death. Reminds me of how they fight on the TV show Vikings lol.

Vilestride

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Nice. Looks like it was some good fights. Interesting that people don't seem to move much though, it's like they engage once at the start and fight among each other to the death. Reminds me of how they fight on the TV show Vikings lol.

I noticed that to. I'm not the expert but I imagine there's Simply less emphasis on kiting and more emphasis on target calling in this size fight so keeping mobile isn't As crucial?

Or maybe it's that the individual builds aren't As vulnerable when isolated as they are in larger fights so the don't need utilise movement as much as a means of defence.

Perhaps some of the contenders could elaborate better On this.

Jadokis

It's more about trying to focus down single targets. If you're being focused it makes it a lot harder to target you to execute/attack in general without AOE if you're using the other 5 people in your group as LOS. Like how it's harder to bash a resser that has a bunch of people standing on top of them. You have no reason to kite because it's just asking for one or two players to get eaten up in the back, and spreading to avoid AOE damage is just going to result in one person getting piled on.

It's not as dangerous either since you're not going to have a full destro dump on you and 3 negates dropped around you. Just have to worry about surviving a few dawnbreakers or such.

Vilestride

Jadokis wrote: »

It's more about trying to focus down single targets. If you're being focused it makes it a lot harder to target you to execute/attack in general without AOE if you're using the other 5 people in your group as LOS. Like how it's harder to bash a resser that has a bunch of people standing on top of them. You have no reason to kite because it's just asking for one or two players to get eaten up in the back, and spreading to avoid AOE damage is just going to result in one person getting piled on.

It's not as dangerous either since you're not going to have a full destro dump on you and 3 negates dropped around you. Just have to worry about surviving a few dawnbreakers or such.

Yeah fair points. Makes sense. I suppose as you said there is added benefits of being tightly grouped with a lower risk of dying to AOE.

Theignson

Impressive video, glad you guys are fighting for EP
Thogard would you mind syaing what UI you use, especially the buff timer and the colored reticle. No problem if this is a "trade secret", I just use mostly the stock interface and it isn't nearly as useful.

Thogard

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Nice. Looks like it was some good fights. Interesting that people don't seem to move much though, it's like they engage once at the start and fight among each other to the death. Reminds me of how they fight on the TV show Vikings lol.

The fight usually moves a lot if there aren’t boundaries.

This time though there were boundaries and spectators on all sides. You can see in a few fights that we get pretty close to the spectators.

Theignson wrote: »

Impressive video, glad you guys are fighting for EP
Thogard would you mind syaing what UI you use, especially the buff timer and the colored reticle. No problem if this is a "trade secret", I just use mostly the stock interface and it isn't nearly as useful.

I use LUI extended as my UI. The thing that tracks my forward momentum, vigor, and clever alch proc is an addon called “Buff timers” and the reticle UI is an addon called “Combat Reticle”

Theignson

Thanks, it won't make me a better player or improve how often I land wrecking blow, but every little bit helps!