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Let us choose where to start a new character

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  • jamgrs
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    Yes, please. This suggestion is very good. Let players make a choice. I get it - new tutorials are fun. Morrowind tutorial is maybe more dynamic than Coldharbour one... but it breaks the storyline so badly.
    My main is a Warden and I played through Morrowind tutorial out of interest. Then I went to mainland, got quest from a robed figure, felt very stupid because of falling into such an obvious quest trap, got sacrificed and finally woke up in Coldharbour. And later such characters as Naryu (and Eoki, but that was when I finished everything else and finally played Morrowind) remembered my character, so their dialogues changed a bit. Before playing Coldharbour there was no reasoning behind why PC can die and revive and no reason why they gain something from collecting skyhards while adventuring on Vvardenfell.
    Let me tell you - it was a weird experience all along. I did not enjoy it. So now I headcanon that my character started in Coldharbour. But I understand that not everyone feels that way, and there are people who would prefer to start in other tutorials. When Summerset launches, someone will prefer Summerset's tutorial over others. Thus, the solution - let people have a choice. It would be nice and reasonable.
    Edited by jamgrs on November 18, 2018 12:04AM
    Edited by jamgrs because of typos
  • XamXam777
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    Oh, I wholeheartedly agree with this! Make it so!
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  • Ninjachika
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    Yes, this completely threw me off when I got Morrowind!
    I like all the starting points, but please let us choose.
  • static_recharge
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    I would have to agree. Even just to mix things up a little when creating new characters, it's nice to have options. They could even include some indication as to what the default one is for those that are brand new and don't know what the differences are.
  • jmgrant44ub17_ESO
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    New players are thrown into the middle of the story. The chapters are ruining the new player experience. New players meet there “old friend” Raz and have no idea what Darin means to the story line.
    Edited by jmgrant44ub17_ESO on April 23, 2018 1:26AM
  • Aeschere3
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    If I had the choice I would always start with Coldharbour. I would love for there to be a choice.
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  • DemiurgeMCK
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    I think this is a great idea! It shouldn't need much in the way of new programming (if it's a choice made right at character creation), and it's been requested before. Do it!
  • Weirddevi
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    I do agree that they should add the choice of starting zone, but not only for the fact of wanting to play the start one prefer, but also for the reason of playing the start together with a friend.
    If I for example have Summerset once it launches, I'll start in the new tutorial area with any new character, but the friend I play with may only have the base game, and as such, they start in coldharbour.
    The choice of where you want your tutorial and starting point can affect how players who want to play together start off, as each place works differently when it comes to loot and aproach, not to mention once you get through it, you end up in two different location.
    If you got summerset, you end up in Summerset, and those with the base game end up on one of three islands depending on what faction you belong to. While admitedly, it's easy enough to travel to one another, it adds an unnecesairy travel problem for people who wanted to play and lvl together from the get go.
  • ghastley
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    If a new player is going to start in the Chapter, then all the "new player" support needs to be there, too. I just started a new character in Summerset and couldn't find anyone to certify crafting - had to go over to Stonefalls for that. (Well it didn't have to be that specific location, but back to base game area. My character was sent there for Mages Guild sign-up, so did the cert's too.)
    Edited by ghastley on April 24, 2018 2:27PM
  • Ashnarug
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    ghastley wrote: »
    I just started a new character in Summerset and couldn't find anyone to certify crafting - had to go over to Stonefalls for that.

    FYI both Mage and Fighter Guilds can recruit you in Shimmerene. But you are correct in saying that Danel Tellano and Millenith should be available in PTS along with the 6 crates.

    After all Felande Demarie is currently looking for a tenant in Alinor...

    Edited by Ashnarug on April 25, 2018 11:16AM
    During the afternoon of Loredas, 6 Sun’s Dawn 2e578 a big piece of Aetherius fell to Nirn. It was the first major piece of Aetherius to fall on Nirn in more than five hundred years. It scattered around the world as millions of shards. It was rapidly documented by Lady Cinnabar of Taneth in her pamphlet Aetherial Fragments that "... when three shards meet, they re-form into a silvery prism by unknown process and confer the power unlocked by the merger to a nearby being." The Order of the Black Worm, commonly known as the Worm Cult, reappeared in Tamriel shortly thereafter and some of its members are avidly searching said shards.
    In the last week of First Seed 2e579, an arcane explosion occurred in the Imperial City — a night of storms, and trembling terrain. They named it the "Soulburst". That day Emperor Varen Aquilarios disappeared without a trace. His wife, Clivia Tharn, ascended to the Ruby Throne as Empress Regent under the guidance of the Necromancer Mannimarco. Ushering a time of increased instability within the Empire of Cyrodiil which finally grew into “The Three Banners War”.
  • Enodoc
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    Ashnarug wrote: »
    ghastley wrote: »
    I just started a new character in Summerset and couldn't find anyone to certify crafting - had to go over to Stonefalls for that.

    FYI both Mage and Fighter Guilds can recruit you in Shimmerene. But you are correct in saying that Danel Tellano and Millenith should be available in PTS along with the 6 crates.

    After all Felande Demarie is currently looking for a tenant in Alinor...
    Danel Telleno and Millenith are in Alinor too.
    Edited by Enodoc on April 25, 2018 5:20PM
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  • ghastley
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    Enodoc wrote: »
    Ashnarug wrote: »
    ghastley wrote: »
    I just started a new character in Summerset and couldn't find anyone to certify crafting - had to go over to Stonefalls for that.

    FYI both Mage and Fighter Guilds can recruit you in Shimmerene. But you are correct in saying that Danel Tellano and Millenith should be available in PTS along with the 6 crates.

    After all Felande Demarie is currently looking for a tenant in Alinor...
    Danel Telleno and Millenith are in Alinor too.

    They weren't when I went looking for them. Searched both guilds, in both Alinor and Shimmerene. The recruiting notices for the guilds directed me to mainland for sign-up, but was able to join FG (in Alinor?). No recruiter for MG at all.

    If Danel Telleno and Millineth are present, they're well-hidden, or like the Jewelry cert character, gated by something non-obvious. He doesn't show if you have no certification in the other crafts, but I didn't check if that was all or any. You can't have jewel crafting as your first, whichever the case.
  • Enodoc
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    ghastley wrote: »
    Enodoc wrote: »
    Ashnarug wrote: »
    ghastley wrote: »
    I just started a new character in Summerset and couldn't find anyone to certify crafting - had to go over to Stonefalls for that.

    FYI both Mage and Fighter Guilds can recruit you in Shimmerene. But you are correct in saying that Danel Tellano and Millenith should be available in PTS along with the 6 crates.

    After all Felande Demarie is currently looking for a tenant in Alinor...
    Danel Telleno and Millenith are in Alinor too.
    They weren't when I went looking for them. Searched both guilds, in both Alinor and Shimmerene. The recruiting notices for the guilds directed me to mainland for sign-up, but was able to join FG (in Alinor?). No recruiter for MG at all.

    If Danel Telleno and Millineth are present, they're well-hidden, or like the Jewelry cert character, gated by something non-obvious. He doesn't show if you have no certification in the other crafts, but I didn't check if that was all or any. You can't have jewel crafting as your first, whichever the case.
    I found all three of them right outside the crafting area, but since this was on the template character I don't know what prerequisites they might have.
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  • Moloch1514
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    The storyline of this game is so convoluted for new players.
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  • Mystrius_Archaion
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    ghastley wrote: »
    Enodoc wrote: »
    Ashnarug wrote: »
    ghastley wrote: »
    I just started a new character in Summerset and couldn't find anyone to certify crafting - had to go over to Stonefalls for that.

    FYI both Mage and Fighter Guilds can recruit you in Shimmerene. But you are correct in saying that Danel Tellano and Millenith should be available in PTS along with the 6 crates.

    After all Felande Demarie is currently looking for a tenant in Alinor...
    Danel Telleno and Millenith are in Alinor too.

    They weren't when I went looking for them. Searched both guilds, in both Alinor and Shimmerene. The recruiting notices for the guilds directed me to mainland for sign-up, but was able to join FG (in Alinor?). No recruiter for MG at all.

    If Danel Telleno and Millineth are present, they're well-hidden, or like the Jewelry cert character, gated by something non-obvious. He doesn't show if you have no certification in the other crafts, but I didn't check if that was all or any. You can't have jewel crafting as your first, whichever the case.

    You have to be level 6 on live servers to get crafting certification quests and then they show up. I think I saw Millenith outside the crafting hub. Either way, the crafting hub has the writ boards that will direct you to them.
  • Ashnarug
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    If Millenith is a member of the Fighter's Guild and Danel Telleno is a member of the Mage's Guild should we assume Felarian is a member of the Psijic Order ?

    Mystrius Archaion is correct, the "crafting certification" quest is not available before level 6. It becomes available in the crafting hub while the three trainers are waiting just outside of it.
    Edited by Ashnarug on April 26, 2018 12:03AM
    During the afternoon of Loredas, 6 Sun’s Dawn 2e578 a big piece of Aetherius fell to Nirn. It was the first major piece of Aetherius to fall on Nirn in more than five hundred years. It scattered around the world as millions of shards. It was rapidly documented by Lady Cinnabar of Taneth in her pamphlet Aetherial Fragments that "... when three shards meet, they re-form into a silvery prism by unknown process and confer the power unlocked by the merger to a nearby being." The Order of the Black Worm, commonly known as the Worm Cult, reappeared in Tamriel shortly thereafter and some of its members are avidly searching said shards.
    In the last week of First Seed 2e579, an arcane explosion occurred in the Imperial City — a night of storms, and trembling terrain. They named it the "Soulburst". That day Emperor Varen Aquilarios disappeared without a trace. His wife, Clivia Tharn, ascended to the Ruby Throne as Empress Regent under the guidance of the Necromancer Mannimarco. Ushering a time of increased instability within the Empire of Cyrodiil which finally grew into “The Three Banners War”.
  • FilteredRiddle
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    Absolutely agree.
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  • AmaeriaMae
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    Agreed!
  • Silver_Strider
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    Starting in Summerset is very disorienting tbh. It's the conclusion of the Daedric Triad arc that started in Morrowind so going back and doing Morrowind and CWC after Summerset kind of throws the entire storyline into chaos. The introduction quest for Morrowind (The one with Azura's Prophets) also falls into this mix as people starting in Morrowind may have already completed that Main Storyline but nothing changes in that quest. They still state you will visit Morrowind at some point, despite being the Champion of Vivec with Bouyant Armiger Tattoos all over your body.

    Truthfully, if ZOS isn't even going to bother to keep the story straight and update the dialogue to acknowledge you've done XYZ before ABC, then the choice needs to be removed entirely to do XYZ 1st; it's just bad story telling otherwise.
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  • ghastley
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    Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »
    You have to be level 6 on live servers to get crafting certification quests and then they show up. I think I saw Millenith outside the crafting hub. Either way, the crafting hub has the writ boards that will direct you to them.

    That was my problem. Because I'd had to re-roll my "from scratch" character after the latest patch, I just hadn't piled on the same number of levels getting to Auridon, and hadn't noticed she was only L5 at that point. Just going over to the mainland added enough XP to tip her over - hence confusion. It's a long time since any of my characters passed L6, and most had got there before before reaching a town that had the certifiers. The same applied the first time in Summerset, but I raced ahead with the re-rolled one, instead of questing there.

    All of which means they got it about right. Normal progress will mean they'll be waiting.
    Edited by ghastley on April 26, 2018 6:06PM
  • Ashnarug
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    Ashnarug wrote: »
    ... should we assume Felarian is a member of the Psijic Order ?

    I read somewhere else that Jewelry crafting would be available to everyone but the Psijic Order will only be available to people who bought the Summerset chapter.

    So in this regard who is Felarian ?

    During the afternoon of Loredas, 6 Sun’s Dawn 2e578 a big piece of Aetherius fell to Nirn. It was the first major piece of Aetherius to fall on Nirn in more than five hundred years. It scattered around the world as millions of shards. It was rapidly documented by Lady Cinnabar of Taneth in her pamphlet Aetherial Fragments that "... when three shards meet, they re-form into a silvery prism by unknown process and confer the power unlocked by the merger to a nearby being." The Order of the Black Worm, commonly known as the Worm Cult, reappeared in Tamriel shortly thereafter and some of its members are avidly searching said shards.
    In the last week of First Seed 2e579, an arcane explosion occurred in the Imperial City — a night of storms, and trembling terrain. They named it the "Soulburst". That day Emperor Varen Aquilarios disappeared without a trace. His wife, Clivia Tharn, ascended to the Ruby Throne as Empress Regent under the guidance of the Necromancer Mannimarco. Ushering a time of increased instability within the Empire of Cyrodiil which finally grew into “The Three Banners War”.
  • chllorcab16_ESO
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    There's much to say in favor of a choice : i would not have wanted my first characters to start in vvardenfell or summerset. that would have ruined the main storyline for me. Starting new toons after playing that line I was happy to start in morrowind, it felt like a new story. But seriously, summerset's tutorial is.... lame. totally lame. short, not interesting, really sloppy. I'd like to be able to just NOT start there... okay, I don't need the tutorial but still I can feel a newcomer getting lost pretty easily. And what of the people who didn't play clockwork city and didn't get the hint at a major daedric invasion? Don't spoil peoples fun, recommend that new players played the old tutorials, in the historical order, and just let the veteran players chose.
  • Mystrius_Archaion
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    Ashnarug wrote: »
    Ashnarug wrote: »
    ... should we assume Felarian is a member of the Psijic Order ?

    I read somewhere else that Jewelry crafting would be available to everyone but the Psijic Order will only be available to people who bought the Summerset chapter.

    So in this regard who is Felarian ?

    No, BOTH the psijic guild, skills and quests, and jewelrycrafting will only be available to those who own Summerset.
    All players can use crafted jewelry made by somebody who owns Summerset though.
  • NyxKirkman
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    I like the idea of having to start at coldharbour with any new character and then from there (either after the soul gem thing or character creation menu) choose which area you get dumped into - morrowind, summerset or starting zone. I also think the other suggestions about a quick cut scene explaining how you get there to clear it up is important to as it would give more consistency to the overall story.
  • geøstigma
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    Yeah, this needs to happen!

    They can easily cover the story part with simple explanations (if you choose anything other than Vanilla start) of how you were already at the Wailing Prison but maybe lost your memory of those events or even had it stolen by Molag's agents... It's a fantasy game, just use your imagination and you can have it happen and be lore friendly at the same time.
  • Core
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    Not only do i want to choose where i start the game, but i expected that enormously important option to be present when i just purchased ESO, the missing content breaks 2/3rds the gameplay.

    Starting in Summrset *only* is ludicrous, what is the alliance choice if it does not change anything, so the chapter starting zones should all be present for their respective chapters, or at least purchasable in the store as alternative starts, otherwise the "chapters" are being reduce to just added DLCs.

    And like what's being said, no choice of Coldharbour or Seyda Neen or Shimmerene, is both unpopular and unforgivable with new players like me who came to ESO for the full game story and experience.

    I'm very unhappy having bought into ESO becuase of this issue.
    Why, oh why, do i often see a "then" when i should be reading a "than", but then again what's better or worse than being grammatically correct?
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  • Kaxxi
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    starting at summerset is bad for new players. First 15-20 minutes just running from one point to another.
  • Core
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    Which original base game (without Morrowind/Summerset), for example: ESO Gold, is the best edition to start new characters in Daggerfall(ColdHarbour), content wise or otherwise?
    Why, oh why, do i often see a "then" when i should be reading a "than", but then again what's better or worse than being grammatically correct?
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  • Larhanya_Theliel
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    Bumping this thread.

    I missed the Morrowind tutorial since I didn't know it was unique (figured I didn't need a tutorial since I had played it many times already).

    Wanted to play it now to get an idea of what it's like, but I've already bought Summerset, so I had to start in the Mind Trap. I was very disappointed since it sounds like the Morrowind tutorial is lovely.

    Please Zenimax, give new characters an option to start in Coldharbour, on the boat to Morrowind, or in the Mind Trap.
  • SydneyGrey
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    Yes, please.
    I now have Morrowind and Summerset, both, and it's a shame that I'm stuck with that boring Summerset tutorial now if I ever want to start a new character. The Morrowind tutorial was so much more interesting, and it's now shut off to me forever, I guess. That sucks.
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