Do people honestly think 30k stam dps is good?

Nyladreas

XiDiabolismiX wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

I have a different situation. Regardless at how much hardware i throw at ESO and the tweaks I apply to the client (for example, the famous Reddit tweaks), my FPS drops really much during trials, sometimes below 20. When it happens, I can't keep up a smooth rotation. Does not help that the trial that drops FPS the most is exactly vMOL :'(

I agree with that statement as well, especially for console users. Without frames, it is pretty difficult to pa

Nyladreas wrote: »

If something as pitiful as (actually GOOD) DPS performance makes you judge people and laugh at them in a game full of wonderful strangers who you've never met and thankfully never will... What does that make you really? A very sad person. Makes one scratch their head and question the standards and quality of your real life.

With 30k you're way more than good enough to participate in every aspect of the game comfortably. If you can't live without leaderboards... Go make a guild full of nerds who need that imaginary list of names to feel any kind of worth in their lives and don't spread your toxicity across the rest of the community.

This is why I stay away from elitists. You people can't really enjoy the game for what it was meant to be.

It's great when you try to be good and keep improving yourself. But please, don't let it go too far. Don't let it control you.

I honestly hope someone will make you open your eyes before it's too late and before this bitterness swallows you whole.

Have a wonderful day!

Nyl Aden Rheas

Youre entire response is a bashing post, and totally unrelated to the OP’s original question.

You do realize that there are multiple layers to this game, right? The people stating that 30k is mediocre are the hardcore trials players that are absolutely correct from their point of view.

The other bunch where 30k is fantastic can fit in the casual group who just run for fun, vet dungeons and normal trials.

Theres no reason to bash peoples morale if they fit into the latter, since thats the general approach and dps requirements for higher tier end game content.

You sir/ma’am are quite ignorant to paint that kind of picture around them. Let them enjoy their aspect of the game without saying they need to “open their eyes”. Their eyes are already open and focused on big scores and finishing tough content.

Now you may have a wonderful day,

Isnt it beautifully satisfying when people instantly call you out on bashing someone's playstyle and opinion by not only bashing you but also giving you a passive aggressive hint and the end and proving my point yet again? Oh humanity!!! Tsk tsk tsk.

Have a great day!

Nyl Aden Rheas

Illurian

Nyladreas wrote: »

XiDiabolismiX wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

I have a different situation. Regardless at how much hardware i throw at ESO and the tweaks I apply to the client (for example, the famous Reddit tweaks), my FPS drops really much during trials, sometimes below 20. When it happens, I can't keep up a smooth rotation. Does not help that the trial that drops FPS the most is exactly vMOL :'(

I agree with that statement as well, especially for console users. Without frames, it is pretty difficult to pa

Nyladreas wrote: »

If something as pitiful as (actually GOOD) DPS performance makes you judge people and laugh at them in a game full of wonderful strangers who you've never met and thankfully never will... What does that make you really? A very sad person. Makes one scratch their head and question the standards and quality of your real life.

With 30k you're way more than good enough to participate in every aspect of the game comfortably. If you can't live without leaderboards... Go make a guild full of nerds who need that imaginary list of names to feel any kind of worth in their lives and don't spread your toxicity across the rest of the community.

This is why I stay away from elitists. You people can't really enjoy the game for what it was meant to be.

It's great when you try to be good and keep improving yourself. But please, don't let it go too far. Don't let it control you.

I honestly hope someone will make you open your eyes before it's too late and before this bitterness swallows you whole.

Have a wonderful day!

Nyl Aden Rheas

Youre entire response is a bashing post, and totally unrelated to the OP’s original question.

You do realize that there are multiple layers to this game, right? The people stating that 30k is mediocre are the hardcore trials players that are absolutely correct from their point of view.

The other bunch where 30k is fantastic can fit in the casual group who just run for fun, vet dungeons and normal trials.

Theres no reason to bash peoples morale if they fit into the latter, since thats the general approach and dps requirements for higher tier end game content.

You sir/ma’am are quite ignorant to paint that kind of picture around them. Let them enjoy their aspect of the game without saying they need to “open their eyes”. Their eyes are already open and focused on big scores and finishing tough content.

Now you may have a wonderful day,

Isnt it beautifully satisfying when people instantly call you out on bashing someone's playstyle and opinion by not only bashing you but also giving you a passive aggressive hint and the end and proving my point yet again? Oh humanity!!! Tsk tsk tsk.

Have a great day!

Nyl Aden Rheas

What was your point exactly? That elitists are toxic scum?

That's cute, since your post brought nothing but toxicity to this thread, riddled with ad hominem and, as you put it, passive aggressiveness.

If people wanting to play a game a certain way makes them "sad people" or people who let "bitterness swallow [them] whole", I truly wonder what bashing entirely random people on the forums of the same game makes you.

XiDiabolismiX

Nyladreas wrote: »

XiDiabolismiX wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

I have a different situation. Regardless at how much hardware i throw at ESO and the tweaks I apply to the client (for example, the famous Reddit tweaks), my FPS drops really much during trials, sometimes below 20. When it happens, I can't keep up a smooth rotation. Does not help that the trial that drops FPS the most is exactly vMOL :'(

I agree with that statement as well, especially for console users. Without frames, it is pretty difficult to pa

Nyladreas wrote: »

If something as pitiful as (actually GOOD) DPS performance makes you judge people and laugh at them in a game full of wonderful strangers who you've never met and thankfully never will... What does that make you really? A very sad person. Makes one scratch their head and question the standards and quality of your real life.

With 30k you're way more than good enough to participate in every aspect of the game comfortably. If you can't live without leaderboards... Go make a guild full of nerds who need that imaginary list of names to feel any kind of worth in their lives and don't spread your toxicity across the rest of the community.

This is why I stay away from elitists. You people can't really enjoy the game for what it was meant to be.

It's great when you try to be good and keep improving yourself. But please, don't let it go too far. Don't let it control you.

I honestly hope someone will make you open your eyes before it's too late and before this bitterness swallows you whole.

Have a wonderful day!

Nyl Aden Rheas

Youre entire response is a bashing post, and totally unrelated to the OP’s original question.

You do realize that there are multiple layers to this game, right? The people stating that 30k is mediocre are the hardcore trials players that are absolutely correct from their point of view.

The other bunch where 30k is fantastic can fit in the casual group who just run for fun, vet dungeons and normal trials.

Theres no reason to bash peoples morale if they fit into the latter, since thats the general approach and dps requirements for higher tier end game content.

You sir/ma’am are quite ignorant to paint that kind of picture around them. Let them enjoy their aspect of the game without saying they need to “open their eyes”. Their eyes are already open and focused on big scores and finishing tough content.

Now you may have a wonderful day,

Isnt it beautifully satisfying when people instantly call you out on bashing someone's playstyle and opinion by not only bashing you but also giving you a passive aggressive hint and the end and proving my point yet again? Oh humanity!!! Tsk tsk tsk.

Have a great day!

Nyl Aden Rheas

Lol youre exactly right, proving my point as well. You cant be completely one-sided and bash one specific group, and dont act like youre a saint.

Both sides should be taken equally, youre not going to agree with everyone, but dont bash them. Thats the problem with todays generation full of close-minded, entitled people. Hear everyone out, make your point heard, but dont bash someone elses point of view because it doesnt align with yours.

Did I bash the casuals? Pretty sure i said it was fantastic for their playstyle. Did I call them names because their casual point of view on the game doesnt align with mine? Nope.

Get real with yourself before making a troll post. Tell me where the bad elitist touched you.

Nyladreas

Illurian wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

What they should do is have a DPS ceiling on bosses. When you reach X amount of DPS anything above that is soaked. That way your forced to do mechanics rather than just DPS it down.

The engine guardian in DS2 is a prime example. Ignore mechanics and just heal through the poison and DPS it down. If everything is going to be a DPS race lets just take the mechanics out of it save some FPS and lag and just speedkill everything with ridiculously high DPS.

You realize of course that the Hard Mode requirement of DS2 actually is to ignore the mechanics (levers) of the last boss?

Of all the examples you could have chosen, you chose the worst one.

Doesn't matter what example he chose when the entire point of his comment is perfectly clear. Unless you just want to do some idiotic nitpicking. There are more than enough encounters where this is indeed bad.

To what stretch of the imagination is pointing out that the requirement (read: how the devs intended it to be) for hard mode of the dungeon is to skip the mechanics, considered nitpicking, in a post specifically calling for further boss mechanics to prevent the skipping of mechanics?

He is essentially saying that you should do the mechanics but you shouldn't do the mechanics. Do you not see anything wrong with that statement? It's funny that people who are the most trigger happy with words like "idiotic" so perfectly fit that same bill.

More on topic: if you dislike the skipping of mechanics, you are free to join a group with low/mediocre dps and play that way. Just use the dungeon finder and you'll be well on your way to visiting every mechanic in the game, usually more than once per run. I don't see how other people having sufficient dps to skip certain mechanics affects you at all.

You are completely missing the point yet again. That's the sadest part Perhaps too focused on calling me out for saying idiotic, even though it wasn't aimed at you personally, but rather at nitpicking itself?

Love that passive aggressive suggestion at the end too. As if we never were noobish pugs ourselves in the past. That's actually even more sad.

Merlin13KAGL

• So some are saying 30k dps is bad.
• Some are saying 30k dps is good.

What most are still missing is that 30k dps is still 30k dps...

OP, where are your threads and suggestions on how to help people improve this to meet your 'standard?'

There's far more to clears and groups than what you can produce on a target dummy.

Illurian

Nyladreas wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

What they should do is have a DPS ceiling on bosses. When you reach X amount of DPS anything above that is soaked. That way your forced to do mechanics rather than just DPS it down.

The engine guardian in DS2 is a prime example. Ignore mechanics and just heal through the poison and DPS it down. If everything is going to be a DPS race lets just take the mechanics out of it save some FPS and lag and just speedkill everything with ridiculously high DPS.

You realize of course that the Hard Mode requirement of DS2 actually is to ignore the mechanics (levers) of the last boss?

Of all the examples you could have chosen, you chose the worst one.

Doesn't matter what example he chose when the entire point of his comment is perfectly clear. Unless you just want to do some idiotic nitpicking. There are more than enough encounters where this is indeed bad.

To what stretch of the imagination is pointing out that the requirement (read: how the devs intended it to be) for hard mode of the dungeon is to skip the mechanics, considered nitpicking, in a post specifically calling for further boss mechanics to prevent the skipping of mechanics?

He is essentially saying that you should do the mechanics but you shouldn't do the mechanics. Do you not see anything wrong with that statement? It's funny that people who are the most trigger happy with words like "idiotic" so perfectly fit that same bill.

More on topic: if you dislike the skipping of mechanics, you are free to join a group with low/mediocre dps and play that way. Just use the dungeon finder and you'll be well on your way to visiting every mechanic in the game, usually more than once per run. I don't see how other people having sufficient dps to skip certain mechanics affects you at all.

You are completely missing the point yet again. That's the sadest part Perhaps too focused on calling me out for saying idiotic, even though it wasn't aimed at you personally, but rather at nitpicking itself?

Love that passive aggressive suggestion at the end too. As if we never were noobish pugs ourselves in the past. That's actually even more sad.

The point was addressed in the section labeled "more on topic". The post was specifically in response to you saying that the example didn't matter and that it was "idiotic nitpicking".

You have added nothing to the conversation except "that's so sad. You're so sad."

The point that clearly flew over your head is that the game is currently enjoyable by both casuals and veterans alike. Casuals who prefer a slower pace, or more immersive experience are perfectly able to do so by grouping up with like-minded individuals. Veteran players who prefer optimized groups and leader board scores are also free to do so by grouping up with like-minded individuals. Neither playstyle is better or worse, just how people enjoy spending their free time.

Nyladreas

Illurian wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

XiDiabolismiX wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

I have a different situation. Regardless at how much hardware i throw at ESO and the tweaks I apply to the client (for example, the famous Reddit tweaks), my FPS drops really much during trials, sometimes below 20. When it happens, I can't keep up a smooth rotation. Does not help that the trial that drops FPS the most is exactly vMOL :'(

I agree with that statement as well, especially for console users. Without frames, it is pretty difficult to pa

Nyladreas wrote: »

If something as pitiful as (actually GOOD) DPS performance makes you judge people and laugh at them in a game full of wonderful strangers who you've never met and thankfully never will... What does that make you really? A very sad person. Makes one scratch their head and question the standards and quality of your real life.

With 30k you're way more than good enough to participate in every aspect of the game comfortably. If you can't live without leaderboards... Go make a guild full of nerds who need that imaginary list of names to feel any kind of worth in their lives and don't spread your toxicity across the rest of the community.

This is why I stay away from elitists. You people can't really enjoy the game for what it was meant to be.

It's great when you try to be good and keep improving yourself. But please, don't let it go too far. Don't let it control you.

I honestly hope someone will make you open your eyes before it's too late and before this bitterness swallows you whole.

Have a wonderful day!

Nyl Aden Rheas

Youre entire response is a bashing post, and totally unrelated to the OP’s original question.

You do realize that there are multiple layers to this game, right? The people stating that 30k is mediocre are the hardcore trials players that are absolutely correct from their point of view.

The other bunch where 30k is fantastic can fit in the casual group who just run for fun, vet dungeons and normal trials.

Theres no reason to bash peoples morale if they fit into the latter, since thats the general approach and dps requirements for higher tier end game content.

You sir/ma’am are quite ignorant to paint that kind of picture around them. Let them enjoy their aspect of the game without saying they need to “open their eyes”. Their eyes are already open and focused on big scores and finishing tough content.

Now you may have a wonderful day,

Isnt it beautifully satisfying when people instantly call you out on bashing someone's playstyle and opinion by not only bashing you but also giving you a passive aggressive hint and the end and proving my point yet again? Oh humanity!!! Tsk tsk tsk.

Have a great day!

Nyl Aden Rheas

What was your point exactly? That elitists are toxic scum?

That's cute, since your post brought nothing but toxicity to this thread, riddled with ad hominem and, as you put it, passive aggressiveness.

If people wanting to play a game a certain way makes them "sad people" or people who let "bitterness swallow [them] whole", I truly wonder what bashing entirely random people on the forums of the same game makes you.

Except there is a difference between vigorously sharing a personal opinion and feelings and being passive aggressive and subtly hateful. Read your sentences next to mine. There are several clear trigger signs right off the bat in yours. And I brought toxicity to the entire thread apparently.

You misread what I said yet again. Notice how I clearly state that:
I think it's sad to insult and laugh at people or otherwise ridicule them for not being the best, top leaderboard material or otherwise attempting to make them feel inferior despite already doing more than enough DPS to comfortably play.
Do you finally see it? As much as I'd love to make you happy, I'm not a hypocrite. You're argumenting against yourself here.

Illurian

Nyladreas wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

XiDiabolismiX wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

I have a different situation. Regardless at how much hardware i throw at ESO and the tweaks I apply to the client (for example, the famous Reddit tweaks), my FPS drops really much during trials, sometimes below 20. When it happens, I can't keep up a smooth rotation. Does not help that the trial that drops FPS the most is exactly vMOL :'(

I agree with that statement as well, especially for console users. Without frames, it is pretty difficult to pa

Nyladreas wrote: »

If something as pitiful as (actually GOOD) DPS performance makes you judge people and laugh at them in a game full of wonderful strangers who you've never met and thankfully never will... What does that make you really? A very sad person. Makes one scratch their head and question the standards and quality of your real life.

With 30k you're way more than good enough to participate in every aspect of the game comfortably. If you can't live without leaderboards... Go make a guild full of nerds who need that imaginary list of names to feel any kind of worth in their lives and don't spread your toxicity across the rest of the community.

This is why I stay away from elitists. You people can't really enjoy the game for what it was meant to be.

It's great when you try to be good and keep improving yourself. But please, don't let it go too far. Don't let it control you.

I honestly hope someone will make you open your eyes before it's too late and before this bitterness swallows you whole.

Have a wonderful day!

Nyl Aden Rheas

Youre entire response is a bashing post, and totally unrelated to the OP’s original question.

You do realize that there are multiple layers to this game, right? The people stating that 30k is mediocre are the hardcore trials players that are absolutely correct from their point of view.

The other bunch where 30k is fantastic can fit in the casual group who just run for fun, vet dungeons and normal trials.

Theres no reason to bash peoples morale if they fit into the latter, since thats the general approach and dps requirements for higher tier end game content.

You sir/ma’am are quite ignorant to paint that kind of picture around them. Let them enjoy their aspect of the game without saying they need to “open their eyes”. Their eyes are already open and focused on big scores and finishing tough content.

Now you may have a wonderful day,

Isnt it beautifully satisfying when people instantly call you out on bashing someone's playstyle and opinion by not only bashing you but also giving you a passive aggressive hint and the end and proving my point yet again? Oh humanity!!! Tsk tsk tsk.

Have a great day!

Nyl Aden Rheas

What was your point exactly? That elitists are toxic scum?

That's cute, since your post brought nothing but toxicity to this thread, riddled with ad hominem and, as you put it, passive aggressiveness.

If people wanting to play a game a certain way makes them "sad people" or people who let "bitterness swallow [them] whole", I truly wonder what bashing entirely random people on the forums of the same game makes you.

Except there is a difference between vigorously sharing a personal opinion and feelings and being passive aggressive and subtly hateful. Read your sentences next to mine. There are several clear trigger signs right off the bat in yours. And I brought toxicity to the entire thread apparently.

You misread what I said yet again. Notice how I clearly state that:
I think it's sad to insult and laugh at people or otherwise ridicule them for not being the best, top leaderboard material or otherwise attempting to make them feel inferior despite already doing more than enough DPS to comfortably play.
Do you finally see it? As much as I'd love to make you happy, I'm not a hypocrite. You're argumenting against yourself here.

I'll just start off by quoting you again here:

Nyladreas wrote: »

If you can't live without leaderboards... Go make a guild full of nerds who need that imaginary list of names to feel any kind of worth in their lives and don't spread your toxicity across the rest of the community.

You are - how did you put it - "insulting and laughing at people or otherwise ridiculing them for being the best, top leaderboard material or otherwise attempting to make them feel inferior because they have the capabilities to do so", just with this sentence alone.

You cannot tell someone off for excluding or ridiculing a group of players because of how they play and then do the same thing in the same breath, and then still claim to not be a hypocrite.

And since we were discussing nitpicking, I believe the word you were looking for was "arguing", not "argumenting".

Nyladreas

Illurian wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

What they should do is have a DPS ceiling on bosses. When you reach X amount of DPS anything above that is soaked. That way your forced to do mechanics rather than just DPS it down.

The engine guardian in DS2 is a prime example. Ignore mechanics and just heal through the poison and DPS it down. If everything is going to be a DPS race lets just take the mechanics out of it save some FPS and lag and just speedkill everything with ridiculously high DPS.

You realize of course that the Hard Mode requirement of DS2 actually is to ignore the mechanics (levers) of the last boss?

Of all the examples you could have chosen, you chose the worst one.

Doesn't matter what example he chose when the entire point of his comment is perfectly clear. Unless you just want to do some idiotic nitpicking. There are more than enough encounters where this is indeed bad.

To what stretch of the imagination is pointing out that the requirement (read: how the devs intended it to be) for hard mode of the dungeon is to skip the mechanics, considered nitpicking, in a post specifically calling for further boss mechanics to prevent the skipping of mechanics?

He is essentially saying that you should do the mechanics but you shouldn't do the mechanics. Do you not see anything wrong with that statement? It's funny that people who are the most trigger happy with words like "idiotic" so perfectly fit that same bill.

More on topic: if you dislike the skipping of mechanics, you are free to join a group with low/mediocre dps and play that way. Just use the dungeon finder and you'll be well on your way to visiting every mechanic in the game, usually more than once per run. I don't see how other people having sufficient dps to skip certain mechanics affects you at all.

You are completely missing the point yet again. That's the sadest part Perhaps too focused on calling me out for saying idiotic, even though it wasn't aimed at you personally, but rather at nitpicking itself?

Love that passive aggressive suggestion at the end too. As if we never were noobish pugs ourselves in the past. That's actually even more sad.

The point was addressed in the section labeled "more on topic". The post was specifically in response to you saying that the example didn't matter and that it was "idiotic nitpicking".

You have added nothing to the conversation except "that's so sad. You're so sad."

The point that clearly flew over your head is that the game is currently enjoyable by both casuals and veterans alike. Casuals who prefer a slower pace, or more immersive experience are perfectly able to do so by grouping up with like-minded individuals. Veteran players who prefer optimized groups and leader board scores are also free to do so by grouping up with like-minded individuals. Neither playstyle is better or worse, just how people enjoy spending their free time.

YOU ARE STILL MISSING THE POINT!

Stop being so focused on trying to attack me and actually read what I'm saying. Idc for a second that the game works as it does, as you say just, fine for both camps. My problem is with these 2 camps constantly attacking each other for irrelevant reasons. Can a person state an opinion these days without worrying whether the other even understands it?

Illurian wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

XiDiabolismiX wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

I have a different situation. Regardless at how much hardware i throw at ESO and the tweaks I apply to the client (for example, the famous Reddit tweaks), my FPS drops really much during trials, sometimes below 20. When it happens, I can't keep up a smooth rotation. Does not help that the trial that drops FPS the most is exactly vMOL :'(

I agree with that statement as well, especially for console users. Without frames, it is pretty difficult to pa

Nyladreas wrote: »

If something as pitiful as (actually GOOD) DPS performance makes you judge people and laugh at them in a game full of wonderful strangers who you've never met and thankfully never will... What does that make you really? A very sad person. Makes one scratch their head and question the standards and quality of your real life.

With 30k you're way more than good enough to participate in every aspect of the game comfortably. If you can't live without leaderboards... Go make a guild full of nerds who need that imaginary list of names to feel any kind of worth in their lives and don't spread your toxicity across the rest of the community.

This is why I stay away from elitists. You people can't really enjoy the game for what it was meant to be.

It's great when you try to be good and keep improving yourself. But please, don't let it go too far. Don't let it control you.

I honestly hope someone will make you open your eyes before it's too late and before this bitterness swallows you whole.

Have a wonderful day!

Nyl Aden Rheas

Youre entire response is a bashing post, and totally unrelated to the OP’s original question.

You do realize that there are multiple layers to this game, right? The people stating that 30k is mediocre are the hardcore trials players that are absolutely correct from their point of view.

The other bunch where 30k is fantastic can fit in the casual group who just run for fun, vet dungeons and normal trials.

Theres no reason to bash peoples morale if they fit into the latter, since thats the general approach and dps requirements for higher tier end game content.

You sir/ma’am are quite ignorant to paint that kind of picture around them. Let them enjoy their aspect of the game without saying they need to “open their eyes”. Their eyes are already open and focused on big scores and finishing tough content.

Now you may have a wonderful day,

Isnt it beautifully satisfying when people instantly call you out on bashing someone's playstyle and opinion by not only bashing you but also giving you a passive aggressive hint and the end and proving my point yet again? Oh humanity!!! Tsk tsk tsk.

Have a great day!

Nyl Aden Rheas

What was your point exactly? That elitists are toxic scum?

That's cute, since your post brought nothing but toxicity to this thread, riddled with ad hominem and, as you put it, passive aggressiveness.

If people wanting to play a game a certain way makes them "sad people" or people who let "bitterness swallow [them] whole", I truly wonder what bashing entirely random people on the forums of the same game makes you.

Except there is a difference between vigorously sharing a personal opinion and feelings and being passive aggressive and subtly hateful. Read your sentences next to mine. There are several clear trigger signs right off the bat in yours. And I brought toxicity to the entire thread apparently.

You misread what I said yet again. Notice how I clearly state that:
I think it's sad to insult and laugh at people or otherwise ridicule them for not being the best, top leaderboard material or otherwise attempting to make them feel inferior despite already doing more than enough DPS to comfortably play.
Do you finally see it? As much as I'd love to make you happy, I'm not a hypocrite. You're argumenting against yourself here.

I'll just start off by quoting you again here:

Nyladreas wrote: »

If you can't live without leaderboards... Go make a guild full of nerds who need that imaginary list of names to feel any kind of worth in their lives and don't spread your toxicity across the rest of the community.

You are - how did you put it - "insulting and laughing at people or otherwise ridiculing them for being the best, top leaderboard material or otherwise attempting to make them feel inferior because they have the capabilities to do so", just with this sentence alone.

You cannot tell someone to exclude a group of players because of how they play and then do the same thing in the same breath, and then still claim to not be a hypocrite.

And since we were discussing nitpicking, I believe the word you were looking for was "arguing", not "argumenting".

I'm honestly done trying to talk to you at this point. You just want to win this argument so bad and personally attack me whilst completely selfishly neglecting the point of the topic. I've only stated my opinion again in a more than passive manner. Just because it insults you personally doesn't transform my intent into the exact same thing. Btw... To argument/to argue is slightly different also.

Illurian

Nyladreas wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

What they should do is have a DPS ceiling on bosses. When you reach X amount of DPS anything above that is soaked. That way your forced to do mechanics rather than just DPS it down.

The engine guardian in DS2 is a prime example. Ignore mechanics and just heal through the poison and DPS it down. If everything is going to be a DPS race lets just take the mechanics out of it save some FPS and lag and just speedkill everything with ridiculously high DPS.

You realize of course that the Hard Mode requirement of DS2 actually is to ignore the mechanics (levers) of the last boss?

Of all the examples you could have chosen, you chose the worst one.

Doesn't matter what example he chose when the entire point of his comment is perfectly clear. Unless you just want to do some idiotic nitpicking. There are more than enough encounters where this is indeed bad.

To what stretch of the imagination is pointing out that the requirement (read: how the devs intended it to be) for hard mode of the dungeon is to skip the mechanics, considered nitpicking, in a post specifically calling for further boss mechanics to prevent the skipping of mechanics?

He is essentially saying that you should do the mechanics but you shouldn't do the mechanics. Do you not see anything wrong with that statement? It's funny that people who are the most trigger happy with words like "idiotic" so perfectly fit that same bill.

More on topic: if you dislike the skipping of mechanics, you are free to join a group with low/mediocre dps and play that way. Just use the dungeon finder and you'll be well on your way to visiting every mechanic in the game, usually more than once per run. I don't see how other people having sufficient dps to skip certain mechanics affects you at all.

You are completely missing the point yet again. That's the sadest part Perhaps too focused on calling me out for saying idiotic, even though it wasn't aimed at you personally, but rather at nitpicking itself?

Love that passive aggressive suggestion at the end too. As if we never were noobish pugs ourselves in the past. That's actually even more sad.

The point was addressed in the section labeled "more on topic". The post was specifically in response to you saying that the example didn't matter and that it was "idiotic nitpicking".

You have added nothing to the conversation except "that's so sad. You're so sad."

The point that clearly flew over your head is that the game is currently enjoyable by both casuals and veterans alike. Casuals who prefer a slower pace, or more immersive experience are perfectly able to do so by grouping up with like-minded individuals. Veteran players who prefer optimized groups and leader board scores are also free to do so by grouping up with like-minded individuals. Neither playstyle is better or worse, just how people enjoy spending their free time.

YOU ARE STILL MISSING THE POINT!

Stop being so focused on trying to attack me and actually read what I'm saying. Idc for a second that the game works as it does, as you say just, fine for both camps. My problem is with these 2 camps constantly attacking each other for irrelevant reasons. Can a person state an opinion these days without worrying whether the other even understands it?

Dear. Effing. Lord.

This was the post that I responded to:

Nyladreas wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

What they should do is have a DPS ceiling on bosses. When you reach X amount of DPS anything above that is soaked. That way your forced to do mechanics rather than just DPS it down.

The engine guardian in DS2 is a prime example. Ignore mechanics and just heal through the poison and DPS it down. If everything is going to be a DPS race lets just take the mechanics out of it save some FPS and lag and just speedkill everything with ridiculously high DPS.

You realize of course that the Hard Mode requirement of DS2 actually is to ignore the mechanics (levers) of the last boss?

Of all the examples you could have chosen, you chose the worst one.

Doesn't matter what example he chose when the entire point of his comment is perfectly clear. Unless you just want to do some idiotic nitpicking. There are more than enough encounters where this is indeed bad.

The topic of this specific discussion is the implementation of a DPS cap, to appease the casual groups for a more immersive experience, where you cannot just dps through mechanics.

We have 2 simultaneous discussions going over 2 separate topics. I understand that you are getting them intertwined, but please, don't attempt to insult my intelligence by blaming me for it.



EDIT: Didn't see your edit to your post

Nyladreas wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

XiDiabolismiX wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

I have a different situation. Regardless at how much hardware i throw at ESO and the tweaks I apply to the client (for example, the famous Reddit tweaks), my FPS drops really much during trials, sometimes below 20. When it happens, I can't keep up a smooth rotation. Does not help that the trial that drops FPS the most is exactly vMOL :'(

I agree with that statement as well, especially for console users. Without frames, it is pretty difficult to pa

Nyladreas wrote: »

If something as pitiful as (actually GOOD) DPS performance makes you judge people and laugh at them in a game full of wonderful strangers who you've never met and thankfully never will... What does that make you really? A very sad person. Makes one scratch their head and question the standards and quality of your real life.

With 30k you're way more than good enough to participate in every aspect of the game comfortably. If you can't live without leaderboards... Go make a guild full of nerds who need that imaginary list of names to feel any kind of worth in their lives and don't spread your toxicity across the rest of the community.

This is why I stay away from elitists. You people can't really enjoy the game for what it was meant to be.

It's great when you try to be good and keep improving yourself. But please, don't let it go too far. Don't let it control you.

I honestly hope someone will make you open your eyes before it's too late and before this bitterness swallows you whole.

Have a wonderful day!

Nyl Aden Rheas

Youre entire response is a bashing post, and totally unrelated to the OP’s original question.

You do realize that there are multiple layers to this game, right? The people stating that 30k is mediocre are the hardcore trials players that are absolutely correct from their point of view.

The other bunch where 30k is fantastic can fit in the casual group who just run for fun, vet dungeons and normal trials.

Theres no reason to bash peoples morale if they fit into the latter, since thats the general approach and dps requirements for higher tier end game content.

You sir/ma’am are quite ignorant to paint that kind of picture around them. Let them enjoy their aspect of the game without saying they need to “open their eyes”. Their eyes are already open and focused on big scores and finishing tough content.

Now you may have a wonderful day,

Isnt it beautifully satisfying when people instantly call you out on bashing someone's playstyle and opinion by not only bashing you but also giving you a passive aggressive hint and the end and proving my point yet again? Oh humanity!!! Tsk tsk tsk.

Have a great day!

Nyl Aden Rheas

What was your point exactly? That elitists are toxic scum?

That's cute, since your post brought nothing but toxicity to this thread, riddled with ad hominem and, as you put it, passive aggressiveness.

If people wanting to play a game a certain way makes them "sad people" or people who let "bitterness swallow [them] whole", I truly wonder what bashing entirely random people on the forums of the same game makes you.

Except there is a difference between vigorously sharing a personal opinion and feelings and being passive aggressive and subtly hateful. Read your sentences next to mine. There are several clear trigger signs right off the bat in yours. And I brought toxicity to the entire thread apparently.

You misread what I said yet again. Notice how I clearly state that:
I think it's sad to insult and laugh at people or otherwise ridicule them for not being the best, top leaderboard material or otherwise attempting to make them feel inferior despite already doing more than enough DPS to comfortably play.
Do you finally see it? As much as I'd love to make you happy, I'm not a hypocrite. You're argumenting against yourself here.

I'll just start off by quoting you again here:

Nyladreas wrote: »

If you can't live without leaderboards... Go make a guild full of nerds who need that imaginary list of names to feel any kind of worth in their lives and don't spread your toxicity across the rest of the community.

You are - how did you put it - "insulting and laughing at people or otherwise ridiculing them for being the best, top leaderboard material or otherwise attempting to make them feel inferior because they have the capabilities to do so", just with this sentence alone.

You cannot tell someone to exclude a group of players because of how they play and then do the same thing in the same breath, and then still claim to not be a hypocrite.

And since we were discussing nitpicking, I believe the word you were looking for was "arguing", not "argumenting".

I'm honestly done trying to talk to you at this point. You just want to win this argument so bad and personally attack me whilst completely selfishly neglecting the point of the topic. I've only stated my opinion again in a more than passive manner. Just because it insults you personally doesn't transform my intent into the exact same thing. Btw... To argument/to argue is slightly different also.

If quoting your own words right back at you is personally attacking you, I'm sure we know where the problem lies.

The point of the topic has been discussed multiple times; it is not the fault of anyone but your own for not recognizing that. And just for the record, I don't actually feel personally insulted by any of your sweeping statements. Not only do I not fit into the group you are trying to insult (I don't run in leaderboard groups, and only output 30-35k dps self buffed), your opinion doesn't hold enough weight for me to feel anything about it.

Also: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/argument
Argument is a noun. You argue, but you present an argument.

kylewwefan

I don’t know what you started here troll, but I’ll say it again. 30k DPS is excellent damage. You are never gonna get kicked out of any pug for contributing that much.

Unless you’re a complete a hole.

You’re also not gonna ever find PuG VMoL or VHOF or probably even VSO with any realistic expectations of completion.

Heck, using group finder I don’t feel confident in any vet content completion.

I need to make my build so that I can play it with all my scrubtastic skills. I use relentless focus more for %10 Stam recovery than damage, slot repentance on both bars. Sorc uses precisely 3 skills on each bar. I use a few recovery glyphs on jewelry that should all be weapon damage. Maybe swap mundus around, different CP.

I really don’t like standing around beating on the dummy. I shoot for even less than 30k. I’m happy once I can realistically hit 25k on the 3 Mil. Meaning I’m not completely drained of resources.

Soleya

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Soleya wrote: »

I agree, although in my opinion anything under 700k DPS is mediocre.


Seriously though, only a small percentage of the games population is pulling more than 30k dps. Most players barely get 10k. Use group finder and you'll see that very quickly.

10k, that’s like pre 1 tam days.

From a few months ago. I'm the tank in this group.



There was no healer, since the person who queued as healer was using a bow and doing 20% of the group healing (I was 70% of the healing as the tank).

Total group dps from the 3 dps was 8k.

Illurian

Soleya wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Soleya wrote: »

I agree, although in my opinion anything under 700k DPS is mediocre.


Seriously though, only a small percentage of the games population is pulling more than 30k dps. Most players barely get 10k. Use group finder and you'll see that very quickly.

10k, that’s like pre 1 tam days.

From a few months ago. I'm the tank in this group.



There was no healer, since the person who queued as healer was using a bow and doing 20% of the group healing (I was 70% of the healing as the tank).

Total group dps from the 3 dps was 8k.

That is painful to look at. I actually feel bad for you.

MerlinPendragon

From my experience as a moderator on other MMO forums, anyone with " troll" in their name ALWAYS turns out to be more trollish than not.

30K is great DPS. End of story.

TheNuminous1

VaranisArano wrote: »

Its good compared to me. I was delighted to finally break 20k DPS, but I won't claim to be a great player by any means.

Varanis im sure you are a wonderful player. There are many ways to be great at this game without having a 30k dps parse

Having a Unique beautiful home. Check
Getting a 15k 0d 19a in a bg. Check
Completing all vet dungeons and most trials. Check
Making and Spending Millions of gold. Check
Owning Millions in furnishing assests. Check.
Getting grand warlord. Not check

There are ALOT of ways to be a great player in eso. I hate seeing people think they are no good cause their dps isnt Leaderboard ready.

clocksstoppe

pff anything under 100k dps is weak

LeagueTroll

Soleya wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Soleya wrote: »

I agree, although in my opinion anything under 700k DPS is mediocre.


Seriously though, only a small percentage of the games population is pulling more than 30k dps. Most players barely get 10k. Use group finder and you'll see that very quickly.

10k, that’s like pre 1 tam days.

From a few months ago. I'm the tank in this group.



There was no healer, since the person who queued as healer was using a bow and doing 20% of the group healing (I was 70% of the healing as the tank).

Total group dps from the 3 dps was 8k.

And you didn’t flame them? How boring.

LeagueTroll

kylewwefan wrote: »

I don’t know what you started here troll, but I’ll say it again. 30k DPS is excellent damage. You are never gonna get kicked out of any pug for contributing that much.

Unless you’re a complete a hole.

You’re also not gonna ever find PuG VMoL or VHOF or probably even VSO with any realistic expectations of completion.

Heck, using group finder I don’t feel confident in any vet content completion.

I need to make my build so that I can play it with all my scrubtastic skills. I use relentless focus more for %10 Stam recovery than damage, slot repentance on both bars. Sorc uses precisely 3 skills on each bar. I use a few recovery glyphs on jewelry that should all be weapon damage. Maybe swap mundus around, different CP.

I really don’t like standing around beating on the dummy. I shoot for even less than 30k. I’m happy once I can realistically hit 25k on the 3 Mil. Meaning I’m not completely drained of resources.

Hmm i actually pug vso on my tank and did it once. It’s a lot easier to

Aesthier wrote: »

I don't think you are asking the right question.


Should be: "How much is the going price for a vmol run?"

and leave DPS completely out of it.

I do need vas+2 carry though, can you carry MT?

Checkmath

30k dps is enough to clear pretty most every content in the game. Its not bad but also not the best, just sufficient to get into most trial guilds. And everyone still can improve, so why bothering too much?

DoctorESO

Would you feel proud wearing an "I do 30K DPS" t-shirt in public in real life?

There's your answer.

Illurian

DoctorESO wrote: »

Would you feel proud wearing an "I do 30K DPS" t-shirt in public in real life?

There's your answer.

Would you feel proud wearing an "I can't do 30k DPS" t-shirt in public in real life?

What kind of analogy is this?

DoctorESO

Illurian wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

Would you feel proud wearing an "I do 30K DPS" t-shirt in public in real life?

There's your answer.

What kind of analogy is this?

No analogy. Just perspective.

kylewwefan

DoctorESO wrote: »

Would you feel proud wearing an "I do 30K DPS" t-shirt in public in real life?

There's your answer.

Maybe not IRL, but as a title or banner that floats over my toon, why not. I’d rock that. I’d be jealous of the guy wearing 100k. It would become the new Dromathra skin. We would all call him no life basement dweller and hate him but secretly want to be him because...issues.

Shanan

NB healer here restro Front/destro back .. Hitting 30k single target in 4men dungeons with spc/architect while providing 30-40k hps

usmcjdking

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

swaggasm wrote: »

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

Play with Oceanic ping and try to weave. 30k is about what most oceanics can get without weaving. Obvious troll is obvious.

Weaving is easy with Oceanic ping.

Pics or it didn't happen. Require video evidence depicting Ping levels at or above 300, in an oceanic local, parsing on a 6M dummy, with weaving.

Swaggasm is literally one of the best DPS on NA.

He is an Aussie. No pics required, half the posters on here would easily vouch for him.

kylewwefan

usmcjdking wrote: »

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

swaggasm wrote: »

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

Play with Oceanic ping and try to weave. 30k is about what most oceanics can get without weaving. Obvious troll is obvious.

Weaving is easy with Oceanic ping.

Pics or it didn't happen. Require video evidence depicting Ping levels at or above 300, in an oceanic local, parsing on a 6M dummy, with weaving.

Swaggasm is literally one of the best DPS on NA.

He is an Aussie. No pics required, half the posters on here would easily vouch for him.

You know; them guys that run the VMoL carry’s on PS4 are from Australia. So is the best Maelstrom coach on PS4. But they’re also the filthy yellow scum so they probably cheat.

karekiz

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Seen a few complaining threads on people not able to get on even a vmol run, and a bragging thread on not clear vmol and buy a carry.
And every time in those threads, i see someone saying parse like 30k on a stamblade and can't find a guild
As a person who only play a tank and a no brain heavy attack petsorc, i personal think 30k on a 6mil parse with eledrain provided is pretty mediocre even for a magsorc.
So the question is, is 30k good for stam dps, or is it not good.

@LeagueTroll

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