Do people honestly think 30k stam dps is good?

Tasear

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

Good is relative.

It's actually good for basically all dungeons, but its bad for vMoL, vAS and vHoF.

Bad?

Funny I thought others just commented on how 25-30k was enough for vmol when it first came out.

I think someone actually did some finte caluclations and it was only 15 k sustained per person for first boss in vMOl. The numbers we have now is to skip mechanics. Maybe it's time have something there if you go to fast?

ralphylauren

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Seen a few complaining threads on people not able to get on even a vmol run, and a bragging thread on not clear vmol and buy a carry.
And every time in those threads, i see someone saying parse like 30k on a stamblade and can't find a guild
As a person who only play a tank and a no brain heavy attack petsorc, i personal think 30k on a 6mil parse with eledrain provided is pretty mediocre even for a magsorc.
So the question is, is 30k good for stam dps, or is it not good.

I created one of those threads your referencing, and yes when I made that post I was at 32k self buffed now I’m at 35k. But you know that a good portion of dps can even break 20k on console. And the problem on ps4 NA when you only have a handful of guilds that are able to clear the dlc raids and the even less players that are committed to run consistent progression groups. I have also learned in these past weeks that the top endgame players love that the endgame raiding scene is so barron because on PS4 NA....

VMol - 1.2 mill, VHOF - 3 Mill, VAS - 6 mill. So it’s a win win for the leaderboard surfers, the perfect storm. I understand though this is why in most post I simply asked Zos to add a way for a player to attain the dlc raid skins from a solo content like vma. It will really kill this problem but people are greedy and will rather farm other players.

But oh well I guess I need to get gud

Turelus

ralphylauren wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Seen a few complaining threads on people not able to get on even a vmol run, and a bragging thread on not clear vmol and buy a carry.
And every time in those threads, i see someone saying parse like 30k on a stamblade and can't find a guild
As a person who only play a tank and a no brain heavy attack petsorc, i personal think 30k on a 6mil parse with eledrain provided is pretty mediocre even for a magsorc.
So the question is, is 30k good for stam dps, or is it not good.

I created one of those threads your referencing, and yes when I made that post I was at 32k self buffed now I’m at 35k. But you know that a good portion of dps can even break 20k on console. And the problem on ps4 NA when you only have a handful of guilds that are able to clear the dlc raids and the even less players that are committed to run consistent progression groups. I have also learned in these past weeks that the top endgame players love that the endgame raiding scene is so barron because on PS4 NA....

VMol - 1.2 mill, VHOF - 3 Mill, VAS - 6 mill. So it’s a win win for the leaderboard surfers, the perfect storm. I understand though this is why in most post I simply asked Zos to add a way for a player to attain the dlc raid skins from a solo content like vma. It will really kill this problem but people are greedy and will rather farm other players.

But oh well I guess I need to get gud

Start your own guild of like minded people, work with each other to push forwards.

If you want to be on those leaderboards abandon whatever feelings you have holding you back from playing the best race/class/build/group for that patch.

VilniusNastavnik

swaggasm wrote: »

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

Play with Oceanic ping and try to weave. 30k is about what most oceanics can get without weaving. Obvious troll is obvious.

Weaving is easy with Oceanic ping.

Pics or it didn't happen. Require video evidence depicting Ping levels at or above 300, in an oceanic local, parsing on a 6M dummy, with weaving.

Raudgrani

There's a difference between putting up +45k dps on a dummy, and doing it in a trial. vast difference. I have a stamsorc that I can't deliver much more than 16-20 dps on a dummy, and I have a magdk that easily does 30k on said dummy. But I still do way better with the "weaker" stamsorc in trials etc.
I also see some "high dps" people I know, that really can't keep up in heated situations, as soon as some bigger and badder adds show up (or nasty AOE's strike), they either need to flee or die before an off-tank can save their squishy bottoms. My lousy stamsorc can deliver its 16-20k dps 24/7, that's the difference imho.

Kuramas9tails

Keep em dead in the corner. No need for DPS for a carry. lol. Many good carry groups will have the last boss down before the 4th platform with just 11 players.

jaschacasadiob16_ESO

Raudgrani wrote: »

I also see some "high dps" people I know, that really can't keep up in heated situations, as soon as some bigger and badder adds show up (or nasty AOE's strike), they either need to flee or die before an off-tank can save their squishy bottoms. My lousy stamsorc can deliver its 16-20k dps 24/7, that's the difference imho.

Souls for the darkness. Meat for the beasts.

Danksta

ralphylauren wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Seen a few complaining threads on people not able to get on even a vmol run, and a bragging thread on not clear vmol and buy a carry.
And every time in those threads, i see someone saying parse like 30k on a stamblade and can't find a guild
As a person who only play a tank and a no brain heavy attack petsorc, i personal think 30k on a 6mil parse with eledrain provided is pretty mediocre even for a magsorc.
So the question is, is 30k good for stam dps, or is it not good.

I created one of those threads your referencing, and yes when I made that post I was at 32k self buffed now I’m at 35k. But you know that a good portion of dps can even break 20k on console. And the problem on ps4 NA when you only have a handful of guilds that are able to clear the dlc raids and the even less players that are committed to run consistent progression groups. I have also learned in these past weeks that the top endgame players love that the endgame raiding scene is so barron because on PS4 NA....

VMol - 1.2 mill, VHOF - 3 Mill, VAS - 6 mill. So it’s a win win for the leaderboard surfers, the perfect storm. I understand though this is why in most post I simply asked Zos to add a way for a player to attain the dlc raid skins from a solo content like vma. It will really kill this problem but people are greedy and will rather farm other players.

But oh well I guess I need to get gud

Saying that only a handful of guilds are able to clear the DLC trials is just an excuse people make to make themselves feel better about failing to meet their goals. While there aren't a lot of guilds clearing those trials on PS4/NA, there's way more than just a handful.

Mettaricana

VaranisArano wrote: »

Its good compared to me. I was delighted to finally break 20k DPS, but I won't claim to be a great player by any means.

I pull about 27-29k depending on acuity procs but plenty of time i brought trial groups back from death and kept alive to the bitter end

MTijhuis

30K dps is really good, your hitting harder than 90% of the player base. In theory all the content in the game can be done with it as long as you find yourself a patient group. Which is the most challenging part.

I don't know how it is on the PC but on the console trial guilds like to have players hitting 35k+ dps when they do vets and hms. That's because they want smooth runs and like to burn through mechanics. It's silly I know...

Just keep in mind that you are a awesome player and that you more than capable to do vet trials.

If it's the same on your platform you have a few options: Work your ass off on a dummy practice your rotation until it goes automatically. Keep on trying to find a guild that has lower dps requirements. Or pay for a carry.

Joshuagm1991

Yeah you guys totally missed the boat on this one. There are absolutely bosses that require you to stop dps. I mean, are you asking for Devs to create literally impossible fights?

ol_BANK_lo

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Maybe one day ZOS will make innovative content that isn't just a DPS race. Standing in a blob and DPSing something, then everyone brags about their DPS in group posts, is just boring.

To some degree, everything will be better with more dps. BUT, that said, I would say clearly the new dungeons are moving in the direction of being more mechanics-based than dps-based. Both also require a lot of movement by the tank instead of most dungeons/trials where the tank never moves.

ol_BANK_lo

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Seen a few complaining threads on people not able to get on even a vmol run, and a bragging thread on not clear vmol and buy a carry.
And every time in those threads, i see someone saying parse like 30k on a stamblade and can't find a guild
As a person who only play a tank and a no brain heavy attack petsorc, i personal think 30k on a 6mil parse with eledrain provided is pretty mediocre even for a magsorc.
So the question is, is 30k good for stam dps, or is it not good.

Not sure what the point of this thread is. Is it to put down people with 30k or less dps? Is it to say how good you are? If you don't want people with less than x dps, then that's your prerogative. But why make a post about it? 30k should get you through any content, even if slower. Everyone who is "good" now was there at one point and improved. Stop being "that guy" and let people play.

XiDiabolismiX

TBH, I get extremely annoyed when people compare dps on the dummy versus trial setting. It’s a given that youre not going to do your full rotation on a boss in trials, you would have to be dim to think otherwise...

HOWEVER....

People also fail to realize that the dummy parses are a direct reflection of your maximum ability to dish out damage on the class you play, and this directly relates to even higher dps in raids with raid buffs. This is not to say that your survivability in raid doesn’t matter and you should die to keep your high dps rotation going, because staying alive absolutely matters.

But if you understand how your class abilities synergize during burst phases and sustain phases (which correlates with your dummy parse) then youll be a great assett to any team.

But there’s multiple layers to this game, right? If you just play for vet dungeons or normal trials then you shouldnt put too much weight on a dps parse. If you want to push vet trials and leaderboards, then absolutely 30k is too low.

Septimus_Magna

Effectiveness = current dps / max dps

For the lowest scoring stam builds 30k self-buffed is roughly 80% of the max potential so its decent but not good.

30k dps self-buffed will often translate to more dps in group so you’ll get through most content without problems.

munster1404

Struggled to break 18K on Stam. And I practiced regularly for 1.5 months. Just gave up after that and switched to Tank.

Vahrokh

I have a different situation. Regardless at how much hardware i throw at ESO and the tweaks I apply to the client (for example, the famous Reddit tweaks), my FPS drops really much during trials, sometimes below 20. When it happens, I can't keep up a smooth rotation. Does not help that the trial that drops FPS the most is exactly vMOL :'(

swaggasm

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

swaggasm wrote: »

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

Play with Oceanic ping and try to weave. 30k is about what most oceanics can get without weaving. Obvious troll is obvious.

Weaving is easy with Oceanic ping.

Pics or it didn't happen. Require video evidence depicting Ping levels at or above 300, in an oceanic local, parsing on a 6M dummy, with weaving.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGEBQWMaSFg&feature=youtu.be

6mil parse of StamNB and MagNB both could be higher DPS wise on the dummy but only did a few parses, over 40k with both specs. Both in trial setups Stam NB Acuity/War Machine with 19 points into pen/Warrior Mundus, Mag NB Acuity/Master Architect with 26 points into erosion/Apprentice Mundus.

My ping is typically higher in raids as well as in prime time, I live in NSW...

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChVufyw2Op6OD1aa9CvgteA

My youtube with various videos of trial bosses/vMA ect where my ping varies.

Cage_Lizardman

I have 8 chars now most of them dd's, can't do 30k on a dummy with any of them. I could on the magsorc for a very short time before they nerfed off-balance.

LeagueTroll

TheDarkShadow wrote: »

Wasn't vMoL was done when top dps was 30k and most people do 25k+?

Yes, but the question is not about whether it is nuf, it is whether it is good.

LeagueTroll

Soleya wrote: »

I agree, although in my opinion anything under 700k DPS is mediocre.



Seriously though, only a small percentage of the games population is pulling more than 30k dps. Most players barely get 10k. Use group finder and you'll see that very quickly.

10k, that’s like pre 1 tam days.

VilniusNastavnik

swaggasm wrote: »

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

swaggasm wrote: »

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

Play with Oceanic ping and try to weave. 30k is about what most oceanics can get without weaving. Obvious troll is obvious.

Weaving is easy with Oceanic ping.

Pics or it didn't happen. Require video evidence depicting Ping levels at or above 300, in an oceanic local, parsing on a 6M dummy, with weaving.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGEBQWMaSFg&feature=youtu.be

6mil parse of StamNB and MagNB both could be higher DPS wise on the dummy but only did a few parses, over 40k with both specs. Both in trial setups Stam NB Acuity/War Machine with 19 points into pen/Warrior Mundus, Mag NB Acuity/Master Architect with 26 points into erosion/Apprentice Mundus.

My ping is typically higher in raids as well as in prime time, I live in NSW...

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChVufyw2Op6OD1aa9CvgteA

My youtube with various videos of trial bosses/vMA ect where my ping varies.

You live rural or metro? I live up on the illawarra escarpment and weaving sucks ass with mountain copper. Might give it another go when the cpu uses all cores next patch.

swaggasm

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

swaggasm wrote: »

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

swaggasm wrote: »

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

Play with Oceanic ping and try to weave. 30k is about what most oceanics can get without weaving. Obvious troll is obvious.

Weaving is easy with Oceanic ping.

Pics or it didn't happen. Require video evidence depicting Ping levels at or above 300, in an oceanic local, parsing on a 6M dummy, with weaving.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGEBQWMaSFg&feature=youtu.be

6mil parse of StamNB and MagNB both could be higher DPS wise on the dummy but only did a few parses, over 40k with both specs. Both in trial setups Stam NB Acuity/War Machine with 19 points into pen/Warrior Mundus, Mag NB Acuity/Master Architect with 26 points into erosion/Apprentice Mundus.

My ping is typically higher in raids as well as in prime time, I live in NSW...

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChVufyw2Op6OD1aa9CvgteA

My youtube with various videos of trial bosses/vMA ect where my ping varies.

You live rural or metro? I live up on the illawarra escarpment and weaving sucks ass with mountain copper. Might give it another go when the cpu uses all cores next patch.

I live in the illawarra as well, Austinmer suburb, my DPS has been more or less the same with copper/NBN.

DoctorESO

Anotherone773 wrote: »

What they should do is have a DPS ceiling on bosses. When you reach X amount of DPS anything above that is soaked. That way your forced to do mechanics rather than just DPS it down.

The engine guardian in DS2 is a prime example. Ignore mechanics and just heal through the poison and DPS it down. If everything is going to be a DPS race lets just take the mechanics out of it save some FPS and lag and just speedkill everything with ridiculously high DPS.

This sounds like a good idea.

Runefang

swaggasm wrote: »

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

swaggasm wrote: »

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

swaggasm wrote: »

VilniusNastavnik wrote: »

Play with Oceanic ping and try to weave. 30k is about what most oceanics can get without weaving. Obvious troll is obvious.

Weaving is easy with Oceanic ping.

Pics or it didn't happen. Require video evidence depicting Ping levels at or above 300, in an oceanic local, parsing on a 6M dummy, with weaving.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGEBQWMaSFg&feature=youtu.be

6mil parse of StamNB and MagNB both could be higher DPS wise on the dummy but only did a few parses, over 40k with both specs. Both in trial setups Stam NB Acuity/War Machine with 19 points into pen/Warrior Mundus, Mag NB Acuity/Master Architect with 26 points into erosion/Apprentice Mundus.

My ping is typically higher in raids as well as in prime time, I live in NSW...

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChVufyw2Op6OD1aa9CvgteA

My youtube with various videos of trial bosses/vMA ect where my ping varies.

You live rural or metro? I live up on the illawarra escarpment and weaving sucks ass with mountain copper. Might give it another go when the cpu uses all cores next patch.

I live in the illawarra as well, Austinmer suburb, my DPS has been more or less the same with copper/NBN.

I live in Wollongong and I can weave light attacks just fine. I'm still practicing but I can get 3 bow procs in a single buff most of the time in a trial now days, on a dummy I get 3 procs every time.

Nyladreas

If something as pitiful as (actually GOOD) DPS performance makes you judge people and laugh at them in a game full of wonderful strangers who you've never met and thankfully never will... What does that make you really? A very sad person. Makes one scratch their head and question the standards and quality of your real life.

With 30k you're way more than good enough to participate in every aspect of the game comfortably. If you can't live without leaderboards... Go make a guild full of nerds who need that imaginary list of names to feel any kind of worth in their lives and don't spread your toxicity across the rest of the community.

This is why I stay away from elitists. You people can't really enjoy the game for what it was meant to be.

It's great when you try to be good and keep improving yourself. But please, don't let it go too far. Don't let it control you.

I honestly hope someone will make you open your eyes before it's too late and before this bitterness swallows you whole.

Have a wonderful day!

Nyl Aden Rheas

Illurian

Anotherone773 wrote: »

What they should do is have a DPS ceiling on bosses. When you reach X amount of DPS anything above that is soaked. That way your forced to do mechanics rather than just DPS it down.

The engine guardian in DS2 is a prime example. Ignore mechanics and just heal through the poison and DPS it down. If everything is going to be a DPS race lets just take the mechanics out of it save some FPS and lag and just speedkill everything with ridiculously high DPS.

You realize of course that the Hard Mode requirement of DS2 actually is to ignore the mechanics (levers) of the last boss?

Of all the examples you could have chosen, you chose the worst one.

Nyladreas

Illurian wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

What they should do is have a DPS ceiling on bosses. When you reach X amount of DPS anything above that is soaked. That way your forced to do mechanics rather than just DPS it down.

The engine guardian in DS2 is a prime example. Ignore mechanics and just heal through the poison and DPS it down. If everything is going to be a DPS race lets just take the mechanics out of it save some FPS and lag and just speedkill everything with ridiculously high DPS.

You realize of course that the Hard Mode requirement of DS2 actually is to ignore the mechanics (levers) of the last boss?

Of all the examples you could have chosen, you chose the worst one.

Doesn't matter what example he chose when the entire point of his comment is perfectly clear. Unless you just want to do some idiotic nitpicking. There are more than enough encounters where this is indeed bad.

XiDiabolismiX

Vahrokh wrote: »

I have a different situation. Regardless at how much hardware i throw at ESO and the tweaks I apply to the client (for example, the famous Reddit tweaks), my FPS drops really much during trials, sometimes below 20. When it happens, I can't keep up a smooth rotation. Does not help that the trial that drops FPS the most is exactly vMOL :'(

I agree with that statement as well, especially for console users. Without frames, it is pretty difficult to pa

Nyladreas wrote: »

If something as pitiful as (actually GOOD) DPS performance makes you judge people and laugh at them in a game full of wonderful strangers who you've never met and thankfully never will... What does that make you really? A very sad person. Makes one scratch their head and question the standards and quality of your real life.

With 30k you're way more than good enough to participate in every aspect of the game comfortably. If you can't live without leaderboards... Go make a guild full of nerds who need that imaginary list of names to feel any kind of worth in their lives and don't spread your toxicity across the rest of the community.

This is why I stay away from elitists. You people can't really enjoy the game for what it was meant to be.

It's great when you try to be good and keep improving yourself. But please, don't let it go too far. Don't let it control you.

I honestly hope someone will make you open your eyes before it's too late and before this bitterness swallows you whole.

Have a wonderful day!

Nyl Aden Rheas

Youre entire response is a bashing post, and totally unrelated to the OP’s original question.

You do realize that there are multiple layers to this game, right? The people stating that 30k is mediocre are the hardcore trials players that are absolutely correct from their point of view.

The other bunch where 30k is fantastic can fit in the casual group who just run for fun, vet dungeons and normal trials.

Theres no reason to bash peoples morale if they fit into the latter, since thats the general approach and dps requirements for higher tier end game content.

You sir/ma’am are quite ignorant to paint that kind of picture around them. Let them enjoy their aspect of the game without saying they need to “open their eyes”. Their eyes are already open and focused on big scores and finishing tough content.

Now you may have a wonderful day,

Illurian

Nyladreas wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

What they should do is have a DPS ceiling on bosses. When you reach X amount of DPS anything above that is soaked. That way your forced to do mechanics rather than just DPS it down.

The engine guardian in DS2 is a prime example. Ignore mechanics and just heal through the poison and DPS it down. If everything is going to be a DPS race lets just take the mechanics out of it save some FPS and lag and just speedkill everything with ridiculously high DPS.

You realize of course that the Hard Mode requirement of DS2 actually is to ignore the mechanics (levers) of the last boss?

Of all the examples you could have chosen, you chose the worst one.

Doesn't matter what example he chose when the entire point of his comment is perfectly clear. Unless you just want to do some idiotic nitpicking. There are more than enough encounters where this is indeed bad.

To what stretch of the imagination is pointing out that the requirement (read: how the devs intended it to be) for hard mode of the dungeon is to skip the mechanics, considered nitpicking, in a post specifically calling for further boss mechanics to prevent the skipping of mechanics?

He is essentially saying that you should do the mechanics but you shouldn't do the mechanics. Do you not see anything wrong with that statement? It's funny that people who are the most trigger happy with words like "idiotic" so perfectly fit that same bill.

More on topic: if you dislike the skipping of mechanics, you are free to join a group with low/mediocre dps and play that way. Just use the dungeon finder and you'll be well on your way to visiting every mechanic in the game, usually more than once per run. I don't see how other people having sufficient dps to skip certain mechanics affects you at all.