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Lore Friendly Glass/Malachite Roofs Retexture for Summerset Architecture
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hmsdragonfly✭✭✭✭✭
✭OtarTheMad wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »OtarTheMad wrote: »OtarTheMad wrote: »Honestly the roofs of the buildings already look dark green to me in the videos and Glass can be that shade of green so to me they are already made of glass.
They are black
Well that's fine that you see black, with my PC I see Dark Green. The pictures are less clear than the Gameplay Trailer, easier to see the colors of the roofs on that. Probably depends on how the light hits it, like most colors. Plus with the Dye system you could easily claim that the designers/elves decided to color the roofs Black but are still made of glass (aka Malachite)
They are obviously not glass.
Agree to disagree then I guess, it's fine. I am not here to argue anything. I was just stating an opinion. I haven't been to Summerset yet so I am holding my opinion on it until I do, a 1:40 second gameplay trailer and 5 pictures aren't enough to paint a picture for me.
You can't "agree to disagree" that this is glass right?
This is one picture, and 100 pictures of this still can't make it glass. It's brick. You know that do you?
I mean, you have all the rights in the world to have an opinion that brick roofs are fine, and you are entilted to your opinion that brick roofs are awesome, but it can't turn brick into glass. Brick is brick and glass is glass.Edited by hmsdragonfly on March 26, 2018 7:18AMAldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!2 -
Adernath✭✭✭✭✭
I agree with you that this building, as being actively used, should not be ruined and was about to make a post with exactly that picture.
I mean which society if not the altmers would take care of the old buildings and keep maintaining them?
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But I am very glad that we likely see a theatre and a public bath!
Where else in Tamriel if not in Summerset we should have it? Thank you devs!! Edited by Adernath on March 26, 2018 10:13AM1 -
Adernath✭✭✭✭✭myskyrim26 wrote: »Architects can’t make buildings out of poetry!
I too find this quote from the official answers not satisfying. I mean one can always argue that certain essence inside the rocks can be split by magical means and glued together, to create a wonderful architecture. Just cutting rocks out and putting them together is just a simple primitive way.0 -
nudel✭✭✭✭✭There is no chance that 3D models of the building will be redone, but ZOS can change some textures. For example they can make roof tiles made of glass, that used in armor.
It can be only on major buildings:
Or at all buildings:
I think it's pretty easy to do, and it will add uniqueness to the Summerset towns and will fit lore: "made from glass or insect wings" and "a hypnotic swirl of ramparts and impossibly high towers, designed to catch the light of the sun and break it to its component colors, which lies draped across its stones until you are thankful for nightfall".
Photo cred to @XomRhoK
*snip*
This is seriously gorgeous. A small change, but far preferable to the bland gray stone. Currently the Crystal Tower seems like a misnomer. I wish they would implement this, but it is sadly probably far too late in the dev cycle for them to make art changes that aren't resulting from bugs.0 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There is no chance that 3D models of the building will be redone, but ZOS can change some textures. For example they can make roof tiles made of glass, that used in armor.
It can be only on major buildings:
Or at all buildings:
I think it's pretty easy to do, and it will add uniqueness to the Summerset towns and will fit lore: "made from glass or insect wings" and "a hypnotic swirl of ramparts and impossibly high towers, designed to catch the light of the sun and break it to its component colors, which lies draped across its stones until you are thankful for nightfall".
Photo cred to @XomRhoK
*snip*
This is seriously gorgeous. A small change, but far preferable to the bland gray stone. Currently the Crystal Tower seems like a misnomer. I wish they would implement this, but it is sadly probably far too late in the dev cycle for them to make art changes that aren't resulting from bugs.
Agreed @XomRhoK did a good job0 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZOS, many ppl who comment on the forums are not the players who run around questing in the typical TES way. Those players all care about this sort of stuff where you break lore very badly.
The fact that a thread like this has already gotten this much attention should really be a sign that the current textures ought to be relooked at.
There is already LORE about the Summerset Isles and it’s very good lore. Please follow it!7 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZOS, many ppl who comment on the forums are not the players who run around questing in the typical TES way. Those players all care about this sort of stuff where you break lore very badly.
The fact that a thread like this has already gotten this much attention should really be a sign that the current textures ought to be relooked at.
There is already LORE about the Summerset Isles and it’s very good lore. Please follow it!
It's hopeless, pc release is on may 23rd and I doubt they will change anything
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psychotrip✭✭✭✭✭
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I agree with you that this building, as being actively used, should not be ruined and was about to make a post with exactly that picture.
I mean which society if not the altmers would take care of the old buildings and keep maintaining them?
EDIT:
But I am very glad that we likely see a theatre and a public bath! Where else in Tamriel if not in Summerset we should have it? Thank you devs!!
More proof they don't know what they're doing. They wouldn't stop talking about how altmer are all about preservation, keeping things the same, and respecting the past...and yet there's crumbling ruins everywhere, even in the middle of their own towns. Some "advanced society" this is.
I mean really, they're contradicting themselves now. Are their own statements "transcription errors" too?Edited by psychotrip on March 27, 2018 4:35AMNo one is saying there aren't multiple interpretations of the lore, and we're not arguing that ESO did it "wrong".
We're arguing that they decided to go for the most boring, mundane, seen-before interpretation possible. Like they almost always do, unless they can ride on the coat-tails of past games.2 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭psychotrip wrote: »WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »You're trying to argue that a piece of the lore is not lore.
Lore is accepted cultural knowledge originating from within a culture.
How you even read the Pocket Guide?
The Aldmeri Dominion, the Elsweyr Confederacy, and Morrowind have yet to join the Empire, but are described in this book for the edification of the scholar, the fascination of the common citizen, and the preparation of the soldier.
***
Now, citizen, we entreat you to review our modest survey of the Empire's dominions. If it entertains and edifies, reflect not upon the humble labors of this scribe, but on the gracious benevolence of our beloved Emperor, whose very name is as ambrosia upon our tongues, who in his wisdom has ordained that this survey be created and distributed among the earnest and wise people of Tamriel, that they might better understand the glories and challenges of these Lands and Dominions, and that they might better appreciate the great burdens of rulership he bears in our names with such fortitude.
It uses a version of edify twice for a specific reason. The root of the word is aedes, which means "house" or "temple". It's an Imperial book meant to indoctrinate Imperial minds.psychotrip wrote: »Read my sig.
That's just a variation on the fan angle. That because you speculated and dreamed big in another direction, that makes you more "correct" than the actual owners of the intellectual property who made decisions they knew would disappoint people regardless what was chosen.
I don't want fan service or weird architecture for the sake of weird architecture. I want them to tell their story in the environment they've chosen it to be told in.
I agree with you that this building, as being actively used, should not be ruined and was about to make a post with exactly that picture.
I mean which society if not the altmers would take care of the old buildings and keep maintaining them?
EDIT:
But I am very glad that we likely see a theatre and a public bath! Where else in Tamriel if not in Summerset we should have it? Thank you devs!!
More proof they don't know what they're doing. They wouldn't stop talking about how altmer are all about preservation, keeping things the same, and respecting the past...and yet there's crumbling ruins everywhere, even in the middle of their own towns. Some "advanced society" this is.
I mean really, they're contradicting themselves now. Are their own statements "transcription errors" too?
@ZOS_Lawrence_Schick any chance you can talk to the game artists and have them perhaps consider adding glass roofs since your the lore master and this would add the altmeri culture uniqueness?6 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭psychotrip wrote: »WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »You're trying to argue that a piece of the lore is not lore.
Lore is accepted cultural knowledge originating from within a culture.
How you even read the Pocket Guide?
The Aldmeri Dominion, the Elsweyr Confederacy, and Morrowind have yet to join the Empire, but are described in this book for the edification of the scholar, the fascination of the common citizen, and the preparation of the soldier.
***
Now, citizen, we entreat you to review our modest survey of the Empire's dominions. If it entertains and edifies, reflect not upon the humble labors of this scribe, but on the gracious benevolence of our beloved Emperor, whose very name is as ambrosia upon our tongues, who in his wisdom has ordained that this survey be created and distributed among the earnest and wise people of Tamriel, that they might better understand the glories and challenges of these Lands and Dominions, and that they might better appreciate the great burdens of rulership he bears in our names with such fortitude.
It uses a version of edify twice for a specific reason. The root of the word is aedes, which means "house" or "temple". It's an Imperial book meant to indoctrinate Imperial minds.psychotrip wrote: »Read my sig.
That's just a variation on the fan angle. That because you speculated and dreamed big in another direction, that makes you more "correct" than the actual owners of the intellectual property who made decisions they knew would disappoint people regardless what was chosen.
I don't want fan service or weird architecture for the sake of weird architecture. I want them to tell their story in the environment they've chosen it to be told in.
I agree with you that this building, as being actively used, should not be ruined and was about to make a post with exactly that picture.
I mean which society if not the altmers would take care of the old buildings and keep maintaining them?
EDIT:
But I am very glad that we likely see a theatre and a public bath! Where else in Tamriel if not in Summerset we should have it? Thank you devs!!
More proof they don't know what they're doing. They wouldn't stop talking about how altmer are all about preservation, keeping things the same, and respecting the past...and yet there's crumbling ruins everywhere, even in the middle of their own towns. Some "advanced society" this is.
I mean really, they're contradicting themselves now. Are their own statements "transcription errors" too?
well at this point all we can do is that the damage is done, the exp will release on may 23rd and we have a very SMALL window to get changes0 -
Grimm13✭✭✭✭✭
✭psychotrip wrote: »
Exactly. But it would require them to admit that they made a mistake with their art design.grizzledcroc wrote: »Bumparoni , Its a simple change to add some color to it.
This is never getting changed
Honestly, it doesn’t even make sense for altmer to have all this malachite anymore. Where are they getting it from? Zenimax clearly didnt take the time to consider why a nation with no volcanoes uses so much volcanic glass. It’s amateur world-building.
Easy to say that they were just using some early work for the trailers so far. Then they start using the new look in future trailers.
Islands for formed from volcanic activity. It could be from a extinct volcano. The high use of the materials would be s driving force to locate new sources.
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psychotrip✭✭✭✭✭
✭psychotrip wrote: »
Exactly. But it would require them to admit that they made a mistake with their art design.grizzledcroc wrote: »Bumparoni , Its a simple change to add some color to it.
This is never getting changed
Honestly, it doesn’t even make sense for altmer to have all this malachite anymore. Where are they getting it from? Zenimax clearly didnt take the time to consider why a nation with no volcanoes uses so much volcanic glass. It’s amateur world-building.
Easy to say that they were just using some early work for the trailers so far. Then they start using the new look in future trailers.
Islands for formed from volcanic activity. It could be from a extinct volcano. The high use of the materials would be s driving force to locate new sources.
I know I sound like a ***, but this is wishful thinking. They're not intentionally showing us older, outdated examples of Summerset in their trailers. This doesn't make any sense.psychotrip wrote: »WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »You're trying to argue that a piece of the lore is not lore.
Lore is accepted cultural knowledge originating from within a culture.
How you even read the Pocket Guide?
The Aldmeri Dominion, the Elsweyr Confederacy, and Morrowind have yet to join the Empire, but are described in this book for the edification of the scholar, the fascination of the common citizen, and the preparation of the soldier.
***
Now, citizen, we entreat you to review our modest survey of the Empire's dominions. If it entertains and edifies, reflect not upon the humble labors of this scribe, but on the gracious benevolence of our beloved Emperor, whose very name is as ambrosia upon our tongues, who in his wisdom has ordained that this survey be created and distributed among the earnest and wise people of Tamriel, that they might better understand the glories and challenges of these Lands and Dominions, and that they might better appreciate the great burdens of rulership he bears in our names with such fortitude.
It uses a version of edify twice for a specific reason. The root of the word is aedes, which means "house" or "temple". It's an Imperial book meant to indoctrinate Imperial minds.psychotrip wrote: »Read my sig.
That's just a variation on the fan angle. That because you speculated and dreamed big in another direction, that makes you more "correct" than the actual owners of the intellectual property who made decisions they knew would disappoint people regardless what was chosen.
I don't want fan service or weird architecture for the sake of weird architecture. I want them to tell their story in the environment they've chosen it to be told in.
I agree with you that this building, as being actively used, should not be ruined and was about to make a post with exactly that picture.
I mean which society if not the altmers would take care of the old buildings and keep maintaining them?
EDIT:
But I am very glad that we likely see a theatre and a public bath! Where else in Tamriel if not in Summerset we should have it? Thank you devs!!
More proof they don't know what they're doing. They wouldn't stop talking about how altmer are all about preservation, keeping things the same, and respecting the past...and yet there's crumbling ruins everywhere, even in the middle of their own towns. Some "advanced society" this is.
I mean really, they're contradicting themselves now. Are their own statements "transcription errors" too?
well at this point all we can do is that the damage is done, the exp will release on may 23rd and we have a very SMALL window to get changes
Dude, I'm telling you now as someone whose tried to get even smaller stuff fixed from Zenimax and Bethesda: they aren't going to change anything, especially if it's an intentional design choice, however nonsensical it may be.No one is saying there aren't multiple interpretations of the lore, and we're not arguing that ESO did it "wrong".
We're arguing that they decided to go for the most boring, mundane, seen-before interpretation possible. Like they almost always do, unless they can ride on the coat-tails of past games.2 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭psychotrip wrote: »psychotrip wrote: »
Exactly. But it would require them to admit that they made a mistake with their art design.grizzledcroc wrote: »Bumparoni , Its a simple change to add some color to it.
This is never getting changed
Honestly, it doesn’t even make sense for altmer to have all this malachite anymore. Where are they getting it from? Zenimax clearly didnt take the time to consider why a nation with no volcanoes uses so much volcanic glass. It’s amateur world-building.
Easy to say that they were just using some early work for the trailers so far. Then they start using the new look in future trailers.
Islands for formed from volcanic activity. It could be from a extinct volcano. The high use of the materials would be s driving force to locate new sources.
I know I sound like a ***, but this is wishful thinking. They're not intentionally showing us older, outdated examples of Summerset in their trailers. This doesn't make any sense.psychotrip wrote: »WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »You're trying to argue that a piece of the lore is not lore.
Lore is accepted cultural knowledge originating from within a culture.
How you even read the Pocket Guide?
The Aldmeri Dominion, the Elsweyr Confederacy, and Morrowind have yet to join the Empire, but are described in this book for the edification of the scholar, the fascination of the common citizen, and the preparation of the soldier.
***
Now, citizen, we entreat you to review our modest survey of the Empire's dominions. If it entertains and edifies, reflect not upon the humble labors of this scribe, but on the gracious benevolence of our beloved Emperor, whose very name is as ambrosia upon our tongues, who in his wisdom has ordained that this survey be created and distributed among the earnest and wise people of Tamriel, that they might better understand the glories and challenges of these Lands and Dominions, and that they might better appreciate the great burdens of rulership he bears in our names with such fortitude.
It uses a version of edify twice for a specific reason. The root of the word is aedes, which means "house" or "temple". It's an Imperial book meant to indoctrinate Imperial minds.psychotrip wrote: »Read my sig.
That's just a variation on the fan angle. That because you speculated and dreamed big in another direction, that makes you more "correct" than the actual owners of the intellectual property who made decisions they knew would disappoint people regardless what was chosen.
I don't want fan service or weird architecture for the sake of weird architecture. I want them to tell their story in the environment they've chosen it to be told in.
I agree with you that this building, as being actively used, should not be ruined and was about to make a post with exactly that picture.
I mean which society if not the altmers would take care of the old buildings and keep maintaining them?
EDIT:
But I am very glad that we likely see a theatre and a public bath! Where else in Tamriel if not in Summerset we should have it? Thank you devs!!
More proof they don't know what they're doing. They wouldn't stop talking about how altmer are all about preservation, keeping things the same, and respecting the past...and yet there's crumbling ruins everywhere, even in the middle of their own towns. Some "advanced society" this is.
I mean really, they're contradicting themselves now. Are their own statements "transcription errors" too?
well at this point all we can do is that the damage is done, the exp will release on may 23rd and we have a very SMALL window to get changes
Dude, I'm telling you now as someone whose tried to get even smaller stuff fixed from Zenimax and Bethesda: they aren't going to change anything, especially if it's an intentional design choice, however nonsensical it may be.
I wish they just did something to make it more altmer like. I mean this solution is the least reworking art wise and should require less effort than completely rebuilding it from the ground it. Right now it just feels pretty but not something too out of the ordinary as altmer should be. Looks like only dunmer are allowed to be out of the ordinary0 -
Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭psychotrip wrote: »psychotrip wrote: »
Exactly. But it would require them to admit that they made a mistake with their art design.grizzledcroc wrote: »Bumparoni , Its a simple change to add some color to it.
This is never getting changed
Honestly, it doesn’t even make sense for altmer to have all this malachite anymore. Where are they getting it from? Zenimax clearly didnt take the time to consider why a nation with no volcanoes uses so much volcanic glass. It’s amateur world-building.
Easy to say that they were just using some early work for the trailers so far. Then they start using the new look in future trailers.
Islands for formed from volcanic activity. It could be from a extinct volcano. The high use of the materials would be s driving force to locate new sources.
I know I sound like a ***, but this is wishful thinking. They're not intentionally showing us older, outdated examples of Summerset in their trailers. This doesn't make any sense.psychotrip wrote: »WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »You're trying to argue that a piece of the lore is not lore.
Lore is accepted cultural knowledge originating from within a culture.
How you even read the Pocket Guide?
The Aldmeri Dominion, the Elsweyr Confederacy, and Morrowind have yet to join the Empire, but are described in this book for the edification of the scholar, the fascination of the common citizen, and the preparation of the soldier.
***
Now, citizen, we entreat you to review our modest survey of the Empire's dominions. If it entertains and edifies, reflect not upon the humble labors of this scribe, but on the gracious benevolence of our beloved Emperor, whose very name is as ambrosia upon our tongues, who in his wisdom has ordained that this survey be created and distributed among the earnest and wise people of Tamriel, that they might better understand the glories and challenges of these Lands and Dominions, and that they might better appreciate the great burdens of rulership he bears in our names with such fortitude.
It uses a version of edify twice for a specific reason. The root of the word is aedes, which means "house" or "temple". It's an Imperial book meant to indoctrinate Imperial minds.psychotrip wrote: »Read my sig.
That's just a variation on the fan angle. That because you speculated and dreamed big in another direction, that makes you more "correct" than the actual owners of the intellectual property who made decisions they knew would disappoint people regardless what was chosen.
I don't want fan service or weird architecture for the sake of weird architecture. I want them to tell their story in the environment they've chosen it to be told in.
I agree with you that this building, as being actively used, should not be ruined and was about to make a post with exactly that picture.
I mean which society if not the altmers would take care of the old buildings and keep maintaining them?
EDIT:
But I am very glad that we likely see a theatre and a public bath! Where else in Tamriel if not in Summerset we should have it? Thank you devs!!
More proof they don't know what they're doing. They wouldn't stop talking about how altmer are all about preservation, keeping things the same, and respecting the past...and yet there's crumbling ruins everywhere, even in the middle of their own towns. Some "advanced society" this is.
I mean really, they're contradicting themselves now. Are their own statements "transcription errors" too?
well at this point all we can do is that the damage is done, the exp will release on may 23rd and we have a very SMALL window to get changes
Dude, I'm telling you now as someone whose tried to get even smaller stuff fixed from Zenimax and Bethesda: they aren't going to change anything, especially if it's an intentional design choice, however nonsensical it may be.
The only instance I can think of where they changed the graphics due to feedback was during the Morrowind PTS cycle where they changed the look of Warden's Frost Cloak.
Which really surprised me, because it seemed a bigger change than fixing the colour of bonemold guard armor, and it wasn't nearly as necessary.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.1 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭psychotrip wrote: »psychotrip wrote: »
Exactly. But it would require them to admit that they made a mistake with their art design.grizzledcroc wrote: »Bumparoni , Its a simple change to add some color to it.
This is never getting changed
Honestly, it doesn’t even make sense for altmer to have all this malachite anymore. Where are they getting it from? Zenimax clearly didnt take the time to consider why a nation with no volcanoes uses so much volcanic glass. It’s amateur world-building.
Easy to say that they were just using some early work for the trailers so far. Then they start using the new look in future trailers.
Islands for formed from volcanic activity. It could be from a extinct volcano. The high use of the materials would be s driving force to locate new sources.
I know I sound like a ***, but this is wishful thinking. They're not intentionally showing us older, outdated examples of Summerset in their trailers. This doesn't make any sense.psychotrip wrote: »WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »You're trying to argue that a piece of the lore is not lore.
Lore is accepted cultural knowledge originating from within a culture.
How you even read the Pocket Guide?
The Aldmeri Dominion, the Elsweyr Confederacy, and Morrowind have yet to join the Empire, but are described in this book for the edification of the scholar, the fascination of the common citizen, and the preparation of the soldier.
***
Now, citizen, we entreat you to review our modest survey of the Empire's dominions. If it entertains and edifies, reflect not upon the humble labors of this scribe, but on the gracious benevolence of our beloved Emperor, whose very name is as ambrosia upon our tongues, who in his wisdom has ordained that this survey be created and distributed among the earnest and wise people of Tamriel, that they might better understand the glories and challenges of these Lands and Dominions, and that they might better appreciate the great burdens of rulership he bears in our names with such fortitude.
It uses a version of edify twice for a specific reason. The root of the word is aedes, which means "house" or "temple". It's an Imperial book meant to indoctrinate Imperial minds.psychotrip wrote: »Read my sig.
That's just a variation on the fan angle. That because you speculated and dreamed big in another direction, that makes you more "correct" than the actual owners of the intellectual property who made decisions they knew would disappoint people regardless what was chosen.
I don't want fan service or weird architecture for the sake of weird architecture. I want them to tell their story in the environment they've chosen it to be told in.
I agree with you that this building, as being actively used, should not be ruined and was about to make a post with exactly that picture.
I mean which society if not the altmers would take care of the old buildings and keep maintaining them?
EDIT:
But I am very glad that we likely see a theatre and a public bath! Where else in Tamriel if not in Summerset we should have it? Thank you devs!!
More proof they don't know what they're doing. They wouldn't stop talking about how altmer are all about preservation, keeping things the same, and respecting the past...and yet there's crumbling ruins everywhere, even in the middle of their own towns. Some "advanced society" this is.
I mean really, they're contradicting themselves now. Are their own statements "transcription errors" too?
well at this point all we can do is that the damage is done, the exp will release on may 23rd and we have a very SMALL window to get changes
Dude, I'm telling you now as someone whose tried to get even smaller stuff fixed from Zenimax and Bethesda: they aren't going to change anything, especially if it's an intentional design choice, however nonsensical it may be.
The only instance I can think of where they changed the graphics due to feedback was during the Morrowind PTS cycle where they changed the look of Warden's Frost Cloak.
Which really surprised me, because it seemed a bigger change than fixing the colour of bonemold guard armor, and it wasn't nearly as necessary.
The color of bonemold really erks me. Bonemold is a huge part of dunmer culture and we got metal armor instead. Its like they want familiar looking things for people new to eso and the tes universe instead of strange things2 -
Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don’t get what’s so important about the hue of the architecture.
1) All they showed so far is the cinematic trailer. There is no in game art yet.
2) I guess not everybody is super-interested in the lore part. I did follow the uproar concerning the Telvanni Towers and didn’t feel the same. The Towers certainly were not a pleasing sight, but to say everyone wanted them to look like in TES 3 is a huge stretch. There are a lot of people who haven’t even played the previous TES games.
3) Please don’t say “we” when you mean “you”. The community isn’t even of one opinion in the most basic matters of the game.
4) For my part I’m looking forward to Summerset, glass roofs or no. It’s inconsequential to me. I’d rather have them spend the programming time in bug fixes.Edited by Feanor on March 27, 2018 6:52AMMain characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.1 -
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trying to discredit me because my frequent posting, I don't need to farm anything now that I am maxed out. Any insightfuls please comments are just for the lolsThe OP is the undisputed master of farming threads. Well done. I don’t get what’s so important about the hue of the architecture.
1) All they showed so far is the cinematic trailer. There is no in game art yet.
2) I guess not everybody is super-interested in the lore part. I did follow the uproar concerning the Telvanni Towers and didn’t feel the same. The Towers certainly were not a pleasing sight, but to say everyone wanted them to look like in TES 3 is a huge stretch. There are a lot of people who haven’t even played the previous TES games.
3) Please don’t say “we” when you mean “you”. The community isn’t even if one opinion in the list basic matters of the game.
4) Fir my part I’m looking forward to Summerset, glass roofs or no. It’s inconsequential to me. I’d rather have them spend the programming time in bug fixes.
1) cinematics are just about what they want to achieve ingame. Many problems in morrowinds beta were not fixed by launch and still are not fixed today. Raised awareness to the problem prior to beta starts might be the best solution.
2)Anyone that doesn't care for lore will not be affected, but those of us that care for lore care. Skyrims interpretation of telvanni towers were modern and a lot more pleasing than esos.
3) when I refer to we I refer to us that care for lore. If anyone gets triggered because they think we means them Idrc
4) bugs and fixes are not taken care of by the art team, I am sure they have a separate team for that and so that leaves the art team to fix that messEdited by Aliyavana on March 27, 2018 6:55AM4 -
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trying to discredit me because my frequent posting, I don't need to farm anything now that I am maxed out. Any insightfuls please comments are just for the lolsThe OP is the undisputed master of farming threads. Well done. I don’t get what’s so important about the hue of the architecture.
1) All they showed so far is the cinematic trailer. There is no in game art yet.
2) I guess not everybody is super-interested in the lore part. I did follow the uproar concerning the Telvanni Towers and didn’t feel the same. The Towers certainly were not a pleasing sight, but to say everyone wanted them to look like in TES 3 is a huge stretch. There are a lot of people who haven’t even played the previous TES games.
3) Please don’t say “we” when you mean “you”. The community isn’t even if one opinion in the list basic matters of the game.
4) Fir my part I’m looking forward to Summerset, glass roofs or no. It’s inconsequential to me. I’d rather have them spend the programming time in bug fixes.
1) cinematics are just about what they want to achieve ingame. Many problems in morrowinds beta were not fixed by launch and still are not fixed today. Raised awareness to the problem prior to beta starts might be the best solution.
2)Anyone that doesn't care for lore will not be affected, but those of us that care for lore care. Skyrims interpretation of telvanni towers were modern and a lot more pleasing than esos.
3) when I refer to we I refer to us that care for lore. If anyone gets triggered because they think we means them Idrc
4) bugs and fixes are not taken care of by the art team, I am sure they have a separate team for that and so that leaves the art team to fix that mess
As you see, I edited before you posted. My apologies. Still, I do think there are a lot of threads lately that just have user reactions in mind. It’s annoying.
As for the art team, who do you think is going to put that art into the game? The programming team. It’s work hours that could be spent much better elsewhere. I simply don’t think this is a major issue, there isn’t even game art yet.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.0 -
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trying to discredit me because my frequent posting, I don't need to farm anything now that I am maxed out. Any insightfuls please comments are just for the lolsThe OP is the undisputed master of farming threads. Well done. I don’t get what’s so important about the hue of the architecture.
1) All they showed so far is the cinematic trailer. There is no in game art yet.
2) I guess not everybody is super-interested in the lore part. I did follow the uproar concerning the Telvanni Towers and didn’t feel the same. The Towers certainly were not a pleasing sight, but to say everyone wanted them to look like in TES 3 is a huge stretch. There are a lot of people who haven’t even played the previous TES games.
3) Please don’t say “we” when you mean “you”. The community isn’t even if one opinion in the list basic matters of the game.
4) Fir my part I’m looking forward to Summerset, glass roofs or no. It’s inconsequential to me. I’d rather have them spend the programming time in bug fixes.
1) cinematics are just about what they want to achieve ingame. Many problems in morrowinds beta were not fixed by launch and still are not fixed today. Raised awareness to the problem prior to beta starts might be the best solution.
2)Anyone that doesn't care for lore will not be affected, but those of us that care for lore care. Skyrims interpretation of telvanni towers were modern and a lot more pleasing than esos.
3) when I refer to we I refer to us that care for lore. If anyone gets triggered because they think we means them Idrc
4) bugs and fixes are not taken care of by the art team, I am sure they have a separate team for that and so that leaves the art team to fix that mess
As you see, I edited before you posted. My apologies. Still, I do think there are a lot of threads lately that just have user reactions in mind. It’s annoying.
As for the art team, who do you think is going to put that art into the game? The programming team. It’s work hours that could be spent much better elsewhere. I simply don’t think this is a major issue, there isn’t even game art yet.
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Aethereal'Golden✭✭✭I hope Zenimax will rework at least roofs. They have enough crystal gleaming textures already to add them. The way how Zeni treated high elves, ignoring their lore - it's just trust-breaking.
Gothic human architecture? Massive gross and dark new furniture? Nothing magical? For high elves? Yes, I want at least crystalline roofs.
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trying to discredit me because my frequent posting, I don't need to farm anything now that I am maxed out. Any insightfuls please comments are just for the lolsThe OP is the undisputed master of farming threads. Well done. I don’t get what’s so important about the hue of the architecture.
1) All they showed so far is the cinematic trailer. There is no in game art yet.
2) I guess not everybody is super-interested in the lore part. I did follow the uproar concerning the Telvanni Towers and didn’t feel the same. The Towers certainly were not a pleasing sight, but to say everyone wanted them to look like in TES 3 is a huge stretch. There are a lot of people who haven’t even played the previous TES games.
3) Please don’t say “we” when you mean “you”. The community isn’t even if one opinion in the list basic matters of the game.
4) Fir my part I’m looking forward to Summerset, glass roofs or no. It’s inconsequential to me. I’d rather have them spend the programming time in bug fixes.
1) cinematics are just about what they want to achieve ingame. Many problems in morrowinds beta were not fixed by launch and still are not fixed today. Raised awareness to the problem prior to beta starts might be the best solution.
2)Anyone that doesn't care for lore will not be affected, but those of us that care for lore care. Skyrims interpretation of telvanni towers were modern and a lot more pleasing than esos.
3) when I refer to we I refer to us that care for lore. If anyone gets triggered because they think we means them Idrc
4) bugs and fixes are not taken care of by the art team, I am sure they have a separate team for that and so that leaves the art team to fix that mess
Totally wrong anyway. Why do you say, that they have not shown in game footage ? Whe have a full gameplay trailer, with in game graphic. The photos in this thread are in game graphic as well.
Your optimism in all honor, but that's simply what we have and no future trailer will change that. We have seen everything we need to see.Auri-El is my lord,
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They show cinematic teaser and gameplay trailer on Summerset Chapter announcement. All shown in gameplay trailer is ingame footage. Also you can find some ingame (looks a little edited) screenshots hereI don’t get what’s so important about the hue of the architecture.
1) All they showed so far is the cinematic trailer. There is no in game art yet.
The programming team create tools, editors for art team that speed up, organized, give possibilities to create art and put this art in game automatically. These hours, days, months are already spent when they created this tools, now programming team used in art direction only if they have idea how to speed up art creation process or if art team lack tools to create what they want.As for the art team, who do you think is going to put that art into the game? The programming team. It’s work hours that could be spent much better elsewhere. I simply don’t think this is a major issue, there isn’t even game art yet.
To change roof textures only art team work needed, and it's not that much work in my opinion, 1-2 days for 1-2 people at most, they need retexture roofs, and check all the places where this roofs appears to how they now match surrounding objects in different day times in different lighting. And to search bugs (maybe they will forgot to change some roof textures) they can ask beta testers during beta tests.
For me archetecture style they choosed to Altmer cities is good, i prefer this style over some common "elf style". This architecture style correlates with Auridon buildings. But now Altmer cities lack something special, some twist, they look to common, to real-life-medieval. And adding malachite roofs can give this something special to the Altmer cities with low effort needed do to so, and with almost excluded opotunity to bring bugs in game.Edited by XomRhoK on March 27, 2018 8:30AM0 -
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Given how long it took them to fix the Indoril banners (and then they still missed the wolf face on the Library of Andule tombs) I'm not holding my breath. My best hope at this point is they will wise up for the next game in the series.#proud2BAStarObsessedLoony
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I wish I had this hope. Remember how Bethesda “transcription errored” the entirety of Cyrodiil for Oblivion. They turned imperials into tan bretons living in middle earth. I have no doubt that Bethesda is fine with Zenimax’s interpretation of Summerset, and will follow suit in future games.WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »well at this point all we can do is that the damage is done, the exp will release on may 23rd and we have a very SMALL window to get changes
Given how long it took them to fix the Indoril banners (and then they still missed the wolf face on the Library of Andule tombs) I'm not holding my breath. My best hope at this point is they will wise up for the next game in the series.
To be fair, at least Bethesda will gve the altmer more than one building style. Seriously, can anyone defend the fact that Morrowind got 3 unique art styles for their cities, and yet Summerset is stuck with one?
Edited by psychotrip on March 27, 2018 2:20PMNo one is saying there aren't multiple interpretations of the lore, and we're not arguing that ESO did it "wrong".
We're arguing that they decided to go for the most boring, mundane, seen-before interpretation possible. Like they almost always do, unless they can ride on the coat-tails of past games.2 -
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✭Looks like this thread was killed by being moved to the lore section
Can we request to get it moved? This isn't a discussion about lore, this is a request to get something changed in the game itself. There's no reason for this to be here when other threads can request changes and remain in general.
No one is saying there aren't multiple interpretations of the lore, and we're not arguing that ESO did it "wrong".
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To be fair, that thread was using fan art of Port Telvannis to justify that the style was inconsistent with TES3. You may notice that Port Telvannis is not on Vvardenfell, and also that it was fan art, with all the canonical relevance of C0DA.
To be fair, it was good fan art, but it was still, not official art, depicting a city we haven't seen in the games since 1993, and Arena's cities looked... different from how we see Morrowind now.
Port Telvannis didn’t appear in Arena. In fact, it’s never been officially depicted.
Also, which fan art? I’m curious.With cold regards,
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✭✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »OtarTheMad wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »OtarTheMad wrote: »OtarTheMad wrote: »Honestly the roofs of the buildings already look dark green to me in the videos and Glass can be that shade of green so to me they are already made of glass.
They are black
Well that's fine that you see black, with my PC I see Dark Green. The pictures are less clear than the Gameplay Trailer, easier to see the colors of the roofs on that. Probably depends on how the light hits it, like most colors. Plus with the Dye system you could easily claim that the designers/elves decided to color the roofs Black but are still made of glass (aka Malachite)
They are obviously not glass.
Agree to disagree then I guess, it's fine. I am not here to argue anything. I was just stating an opinion. I haven't been to Summerset yet so I am holding my opinion on it until I do, a 1:40 second gameplay trailer and 5 pictures aren't enough to paint a picture for me.
You can't "agree to disagree" that this is glass right?
This is one picture, and 100 pictures of this still can't make it glass. It's brick. You know that do you?
I mean, you have all the rights in the world to have an opinion that brick roofs are fine, and you are entilted to your opinion that brick roofs are awesome, but it can't turn brick into glass. Brick is brick and glass is glass.
You can attack me all you want but I am just stating what I saw in the trailer. I have not heard the in game dialogue yet, or seen anything up close in game yet so I am holding my final thoughts on it until PTS or release but I was just saying that it looked Dark Green to me. Last time I checked I am allowed to say that. Don't appreciate being attacked for just making a comment about a game. It's just a game we play for fun... got problems about stuff in game that makes you jump at people then just play something else please. Thanks. Moving on now.0 -
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Will we see the buildings of Alinor that look like they are “made from glass or insect wings?” And will we see the Crystal Tower for that matter?
When The Elder Scrolls Online launches, the playable part of the Summerset Isles will be Auridon, the big island between Summerset and the continent that includes the cities of Firsthold and Skywatch. The architecture of the High Elves is fanciful, certainly, but it’s also practical, constructed of real-world materials. Architects can’t make buildings out of poetry!
https://www.imperial-library.info/content/elder-scrolls-online-lore-answers
It was a stupid argument then and it hadn't gotten better with age. Can't make buildings out of poetry? Why not? They can certainly make them out of pixels!
It was especially stupid as it was said after Dragonborn had given us Apocrypha to see, and its cathedrals made of books, some of which, I am sure, are about poetry.My characters:Main and crafter: A Breton magicka templar named Erwann Sorril
Alt 1: A Bosmer sorcerer named Tuuneleg
Alt 2: An Imperial dragonknight named Gaius Tullius Hastifer
Alt 3: An Argonian vampire/nightblade named Observe-le-Xanmeer
Alt 4: A Nord werewolf/dragonknight named Sigurd Hurlevent
Alt 5: A Breton sorcerer named Gilian Sorril (he's Erwann's younger brother)
Alt 6: A Khajiit nightblade named Jolan-dar
Alt 7: A Nord warden named Sigurmar Hurlevent (he's Sigurd's younger brother)
Alt 8: An Altmer templar named Oioriel
Alt 9: An Argonian stamina Warden named Danse-avec-les-Rainettes
Alt 10: A Redguard templar named Neemokh af-Corelanya
Alt 11: A Nord stamina sorcerer named Olga Écoute-Vent
Alt 12: A Breton magicka Warden named Ian Sorril
Alt 13: A Dunmer magicka necromancer named Ilmoran Dren
Alt 14: An Orc stamina necromancer named Norgol gro-Borziel
Alt 15: A Nord magicka necromancer named Thorgen Givresang
Alt 16: An Imperial magicka dragonknight named Publius Valeirus Hastifer (Just call him "Valerio" - he's Gaius younger troublemaker of a brother)
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✭VerboseQuips wrote: »WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »myskyrim26 wrote: »And also, this matter was covered long ago:
Will we see the buildings of Alinor that look like they are “made from glass or insect wings?” And will we see the Crystal Tower for that matter?
When The Elder Scrolls Online launches, the playable part of the Summerset Isles will be Auridon, the big island between Summerset and the continent that includes the cities of Firsthold and Skywatch. The architecture of the High Elves is fanciful, certainly, but it’s also practical, constructed of real-world materials. Architects can’t make buildings out of poetry!
https://www.imperial-library.info/content/elder-scrolls-online-lore-answers
It was a stupid argument then and it hadn't gotten better with age. Can't make buildings out of poetry? Why not? They can certainly make them out of pixels!
It was especially stupid as it was said after Dragonborn had given us Apocrypha to see, and its cathedrals made of books, some of which, I am sure, are about poetry.
Shhh....don't remind them about that, or they'll tell us it was another "fanciful tale".Edited by psychotrip on March 30, 2018 11:59PMNo one is saying there aren't multiple interpretations of the lore, and we're not arguing that ESO did it "wrong".
We're arguing that they decided to go for the most boring, mundane, seen-before interpretation possible. Like they almost always do, unless they can ride on the coat-tails of past games.1
That disappointed me a lot especially after all the backlash in the beta forums