Why are we Still Playing One Stamriel?

SkillzMFG

Abysswarrior45 wrote: »

SkillzMFG wrote: »

King_Thelon wrote: »

@ZOS_Wrobel

We've been playing One Stamriel for a year and a half. The balance in your game has reached meme proportions matched only by incoherent decisions and an abyss of communication on the matter.


Stamina has:


Better burst damage (dawnbreaker is AoE with no delay, meteor is AoE with delay. Plus stam gets ultimates like Incap)

Better mobility (both types of NB's aside, snare removal, speed pots and sprint make all stam builds more mobile than any mag build)

Better survivability (heavy armour, dodge roll)

Better Heals over Time (vigor)

Better Damage over Time (bleeds)

Better AoE Damage (hurricane, spin to win are miles ahead of magician equivalents like boundless storm / pulsar)

Better Damage Sets (sets like Selene's, 7th Legion, Ravager have no Magicka equivalent)

Access to Spammable Gap Closers (which can no longer miss and ignore the Z axis, lol)

Access to Major Evasion (lol)


Magicka has:


Better Raid Healing (hope you've got that Templar / Warden levelled)

Access to Damage Shields (which don't last their duration, don't scale vs multiple opponents and have hard counters like Shieldbreaker and Shattering Blows)


Solutions


Do not remove any of Stam's capabilities. Instead, add the following to Magicka:

- A Magicka morph of Dawnbreaker

- Easy access to snare removal, HoTs, bleeds, evasion and gap closers

- Increase the innate resistance on Light Armour

- Buff Pulsar

- Change Shieldbreaker to only proc on Heavy Attacks, add an internal cool down or introduce an equivalent against Stam builds)

- Introduce an equivalent of Shattering Blows that affects Stamina builds, or rework Shattering Blows completely

- Introduce better Magicka sets (equivalents of Selene's, 7th Legion, Ravager, etc)

It really is unfair that they get shattering blows to break down our only defense (which was already nerfed before) but we don't get something that breaks evasion. Give us something like 'Precision' that allows our attacks and spells to cut through their evasion at certain times.

I get it, stamblades are supposed to be elusive but I'm really tired of invis+roll eternal combo while I can only cast my streak 4 times before running out of magicka completely.

Also, buff magelight! Today I tested it in some real pvp and it's pretty much useless.

Thats because a lot of spells can't be dodged now anymore. What a stupid argument. Shields negate a stam builds crit, penetration, status effects, etc. The *** you mean its unfair?

A LOT of spells can't be dodged? What the hell are you talking about? Name three spells that can't be dodged except for Haunting Curse...

Abysswarrior45

SkillzMFG wrote: »

Abysswarrior45 wrote: »

SkillzMFG wrote: »

King_Thelon wrote: »

@ZOS_Wrobel

We've been playing One Stamriel for a year and a half. The balance in your game has reached meme proportions matched only by incoherent decisions and an abyss of communication on the matter.


Stamina has:


Better burst damage (dawnbreaker is AoE with no delay, meteor is AoE with delay. Plus stam gets ultimates like Incap)

Better mobility (both types of NB's aside, snare removal, speed pots and sprint make all stam builds more mobile than any mag build)

Better survivability (heavy armour, dodge roll)

Better Heals over Time (vigor)

Better Damage over Time (bleeds)

Better AoE Damage (hurricane, spin to win are miles ahead of magician equivalents like boundless storm / pulsar)

Better Damage Sets (sets like Selene's, 7th Legion, Ravager have no Magicka equivalent)

Access to Spammable Gap Closers (which can no longer miss and ignore the Z axis, lol)

Access to Major Evasion (lol)


Magicka has:


Better Raid Healing (hope you've got that Templar / Warden levelled)

Access to Damage Shields (which don't last their duration, don't scale vs multiple opponents and have hard counters like Shieldbreaker and Shattering Blows)


Solutions


Do not remove any of Stam's capabilities. Instead, add the following to Magicka:

- A Magicka morph of Dawnbreaker

- Easy access to snare removal, HoTs, bleeds, evasion and gap closers

- Increase the innate resistance on Light Armour

- Buff Pulsar

- Change Shieldbreaker to only proc on Heavy Attacks, add an internal cool down or introduce an equivalent against Stam builds)

- Introduce an equivalent of Shattering Blows that affects Stamina builds, or rework Shattering Blows completely

- Introduce better Magicka sets (equivalents of Selene's, 7th Legion, Ravager, etc)

It really is unfair that they get shattering blows to break down our only defense (which was already nerfed before) but we don't get something that breaks evasion. Give us something like 'Precision' that allows our attacks and spells to cut through their evasion at certain times.

I get it, stamblades are supposed to be elusive but I'm really tired of invis+roll eternal combo while I can only cast my streak 4 times before running out of magicka completely.

Also, buff magelight! Today I tested it in some real pvp and it's pretty much useless.

Thats because a lot of spells can't be dodged now anymore. What a stupid argument. Shields negate a stam builds crit, penetration, status effects, etc. The *** you mean its unfair?

A LOT of spells can't be dodged? What the hell are you talking about? Name three spells that can't be dodged except for Haunting Curse...

Force pulse, jesus beam, curse, sap, eye of the storm, soul tether, sorc execute, jabs, soul assault, deep breath, talons, proxy, permafrost, shalks, WoE, Purifying light, etc...

Emma_Overload

Anybody who doubts what Thelon is saying should just watch a recent @FENGRUSH stamden video where he annihilates wave after wave of hapless chumps:

"Subbing now... subbing, subbing... Dawnbreaker!"

"Subbing, subbing... Dawnbreaker almost ready... My Dawnbreaker!"

"Get ready guys... subbing, subbing, subbing... here it comes... Dawnbreaker!"

"Subbing... subbing...subbing... Trees! Haha, just kidding... Dawnbreaker!!!"

LOL, what a joke!

VerboseQuips

Hopefully spellcrafting will rebalance that.

Abysswarrior45

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Anybody who doubts what Thelon is saying should just watch a recent @FENGRUSH stamden video where he annihilates wave after wave of hapless chumps:

"Subbing now... subbing, subbing... Dawnbreaker!"

"Subbing, subbing... Dawnbreaker almost ready... My Dawnbreaker!"

"Get ready guys... subbing, subbing, subbing... here it comes... Dawnbreaker!"

"Subbing... subbing...subbing... Trees! Haha, just kidding... Dawnbreaker!!!"

LOL, what a joke!

Go watch Gooch97. destro ult sap sap sap sap sap destro ult sap sap sap sap sap destro ult sap sap sap sap sap destro ult sap sap sap sap sap destro ult sap sap sap sap sap destro ult sap sap sap sap sap destro ult sap sap sap sap sap destro ult sap sap sap sap sap destro ult sap sap sap sap sap

And you see a trail of 50 bodies.

King_Thelon

For solo / small scale PvP in Wolfhunter DLC:

StamDen > MagDen
StamSorc > Magsorc
StamBlade > MagBlade
StamPlar > MagPlar (unless healer)

Only outlier is MagDK > StamDK

Should we just "wait till next update" again???

Aliyavana

Aliyavana wrote: »

And magika still has better shields, skill variety, and overall better survival . Also you want more resistances on light armor for magika that has shields and instead of medium which arguably is worse than light/heavy

Yep

Tan9oSuccka

Hmm. I sure wouldn’t have guessed it with the current rune cage/Sorc meta.

Make sure you have your Wizards Repost and annoying Engine Guardian as well.

Apache_Kid

King_Thelon wrote: »

For solo / small scale PvP in Wolfhunter DLC:

StamDen > MagDen
StamSorc > Magsorc
StamBlade > MagBlade
StamPlar > MagPlar (unless healer)

Only outlier is MagDK > StamDK

Should we just "wait till next update" again???

LOL

Strider__Roshin

King_Thelon wrote: »

For solo / small scale PvP in Wolfhunter DLC:

StamDen > MagDen
StamSorc > Magsorc
StamBlade > MagBlade
StamPlar > MagPlar (unless healer)

Only outlier is MagDK > StamDK

Should we just "wait till next update" again???

Incorrect

For Solo:

Magsorc > Stamsorc
Stamden > Magden
Magblade > Stamblade
Stamplar > Magplar
MagDK > StamDK

For group:

Stamsorc > Magsorc
Stamden = Magden
Magblade > Stamblade
Magplar > Stamplar
MagDK > StamDK

So the better question is: when are we going to stop playing Elder Staves Online?

And that's for PvP btw. In PvE it's even further in magicka's favor.

ak_pvp

King_Thelon wrote: »

For solo / small scale PvP in Wolfhunter DLC:

StamDen > MagDen
StamSorc > Magsorc
StamBlade > MagBlade
StamPlar > MagPlar (unless healer)

Only outlier is MagDK > StamDK

Should we just "wait till next update" again???

I'd put stamsorc=Magsorc, and magblade very close to stamblade. Stamplar is highly dependant, better for solo, but small group, even if not a healer magplar takes the edge.

There isn't some stam v mag bias. Especially when you consider how long magsorc was much better than stamsorc, or the 2.5 years that stamDK was better than MagDK. Its just that meta changes.

Eduard_Rodric

What? Stamina strong? The real problem is rune cage and sorcerers. Stamina its ok. Remove the class magicka sorcerer from the game and problem solve. Devs need to play duels/pvp with magicka builds vs stamina builds and see whos rek aways.

Eduard_Rodric

At the moment magicka sorceres have a chance vs stamina builds. but become nerfed.Your post have a really good tittle.

STAMRIEL

ak_pvp

Aliyavana wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

And magika still has better shields, skill variety, and overall better survival . Also you want more resistances on light armor for magika that has shields and instead of medium which arguably is worse than light/heavy

Yep

Why did you just agree with yourself? Your comment is generalizing heavily too.

usmguy1234

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Forgot that pvp'ers think they're the only players that exist. Thanks for the reminder.

More like we make our voices heard because of years of neglect by Zos... not a problem you pve carebears have to worry about. Thanks for the reminder.

technohic

Apache_Kid wrote: »

King_Thelon wrote: »

For solo / small scale PvP in Wolfhunter DLC:

StamDen > MagDen
StamSorc > Magsorc
StamBlade > MagBlade
StamPlar > MagPlar (unless healer)

Only outlier is MagDK > StamDK

Should we just "wait till next update" again???

LOL

I think he has the bold part right when talking a solo roamer. Small group a magplar will be a bit more in group synergy. Only thing I’d question would be stam sorc over mag Sorc and stamblade over magblade but they’d be really close. Could go either way with those.

I could lean stamina just based on how much you will need to roll dodge, block, sprint, break free when alone trying to get away from groups who are going to spam CCs, roots and snares quite blindly knowing if they make you eat focus just for a couple seconds; no shield nor heal is going to save your ass