Why are we Still Playing One Stamriel?

King_Thelon

@ZOS_Wrobel

We've been playing One Stamriel for a year and a half. The balance in your game has reached meme proportions matched only by incoherent decisions and an abyss of communication on the matter.


Stamina has:


Better burst damage (dawnbreaker is AoE with no delay, meteor is AoE with delay. Plus stam gets ultimates like Incap)

Better mobility (both types of NB's aside, snare removal, speed pots and sprint make all stam builds more mobile than any mag build)

Better survivability (heavy armour, dodge roll)

Better Heals over Time (vigor)

Better Damage over Time (bleeds)

Better AoE Damage (hurricane, spin to win are miles ahead of magician equivalents like boundless storm / pulsar)

Better Damage Sets (sets like Selene's, 7th Legion, Ravager have no Magicka equivalent)

Access to Spammable Gap Closers (which can no longer miss and ignore the Z axis, lol)

Access to Major Evasion (lol)


Magicka has:


Better Raid Healing (hope you've got that Templar / Warden levelled)

Access to Damage Shields (which don't last their duration, don't scale vs multiple opponents and have hard counters like Shieldbreaker and Shattering Blows)


Solutions


Do not remove any of Stam's capabilities. Instead, add the following to Magicka:

- A Magicka morph of Dawnbreaker

- Easy access to snare removal, HoTs, bleeds, evasion and gap closers

- Increase the innate resistance on Light Armour

- Buff Pulsar

- Change Shieldbreaker to only proc on Heavy Attacks, add an internal cool down or introduce an equivalent against Stam builds)

- Introduce an equivalent of Shattering Blows that affects Stamina builds, or rework Shattering Blows completely

- Introduce better Magicka sets (equivalents of Selene's, 7th Legion, Ravager, etc)

Aliyavana

And magika still has better shields, skill variety, and overall better survival . Also you want more resistances on light armor for magika that has shields and instead of medium which arguably is worse than light/heavy

Sergykid

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Shad0wfire99

Forgot that pvp'ers think they're the only players that exist. Thanks for the reminder.

Seraphayel

I agree with you on most of your points but I think that's the tradeoff for having classes that are Magicka based and only offer a handful of Stamina morphs.

Stamina specs, mostly in PvP, are too strong. I don't want StamDPS to get nerfed but I want to get MagDPS buffed (Templar, DK and Warden).

But to be honest... I doubt they're going to do something about it. ZOS is so silent (=ignorant) in that regard that I don't know if they are unaware of the issues or simply not interested in solving them.

Drachenfier

I have to agree with this, man nobody plays anything but Stam classes in pvp anymore, and for good reason.

Illurian

Do you trial at all? Magicka (read: ranged) DDs will always get more spots than stamina purely because of the fact that they have ranged capability.

Seraphayel

Illurian wrote: »

Do you trial at all? Magicka (read: ranged) DDs will always get more spots than stamina purely because of the fact that they have ranged capability.

That takes 2 MagDPS out because Templar and DK have to be (or rather should be) in melee range for their skills. MagWarden isn't in a better place, it's 20% behind every other Magspec. Stamina is in no way "useless" for PvE, they can still pull insane DPS.

Another problem here is sustain - imho way easier for StamDPS than for MagDPS.

Murador178

King_Thelon wrote: »

@ZOS_Wrobel

We've been playing One Stamriel for a year and a half. The balance in your game has reached meme proportions matched only by incoherent decisions and an abyss of communication on the matter.


Stamina has:


Better burst damage (dawnbreaker is AoE with no delay, meteor is AoE with delay. Plus stam gets ultimates like Incap)

Better mobility (both types of NB's aside, snare removal, speed pots and sprint make all stam builds more mobile than any mag build)

Better survivability (heavy armour, dodge roll)

Better Heals over Time (vigor)

Better Damage over Time (bleeds)

Better AoE Damage (hurricane, spin to win are miles ahead of magician equivalents like boundless storm / pulsar)

Better Damage Sets (sets like Selene's, 7th Legion, Ravager have no Magicka equivalent)

Access to Spammable Gap Closers (which can no longer miss and ignore the Z axis, lol)

Access to Major Evasion (lol)


Magicka has:


Better Raid Healing (hope you've got that Templar / Warden levelled)

Access to Damage Shields (which don't last their duration, don't scale vs multiple opponents and have hard counters like Shieldbreaker and Shattering Blows)


Solutions


Do not remove any of Stam's capabilities. Instead, add the following to Magicka:

- A Magicka morph of Dawnbreaker

- Easy access to snare removal, HoTs, bleeds, evasion and gap closers

- Increase the innate resistance on Light Armour

- Buff Pulsar

- Change Shieldbreaker to only proc on Heavy Attacks, add an internal cool down or introduce an equivalent against Stam builds)

- Introduce an equivalent of Shattering Blows that affects Stamina builds, or rework Shattering Blows completely

- Introduce better Magicka sets (equivalents of Selene's, 7th Legion, Ravager, etc)

l2p

Ragnaroek93

Funny that it is actually the other way around. There are more and better mag dots, they have better sustain (Ele Drain) and more defense (they can better facetank with spammable burst heals and shields and they have better defense in outnumbered situations as well with Riposte and Mistform).

Your post is so biased it's outrageous. You probably have never played anything beside magsorc if you think that the game would be balanced with your suggestions.

Murador178

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Funny that it is actually the other way around. There are more and better mag dots, they have better sustain (Ele Drain) and more defense (they can better facetank with spammable burst heals and shields and they have better defense in outnumbered situations as well with Riposte and Mistform).

Your post is so biased it's outrageous. You probably have never played anything beside magsorc if you think that the game would be balanced with your suggestions.

pretty sure he is trolling so

MyKillv2.0

So what OP is saying is....

Buff stamblades. Gotcha.

Apache_Kid

I.... I just don't even have the energy anymore. Just know you're wrong.

Drachenfier

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Funny that it is actually the other way around. There are more and better mag dots, they have better sustain (Ele Drain) and more defense (they can better facetank with spammable burst heals and shields and they have better defense in outnumbered situations as well with Riposte and Mistform).

Your post is so biased it's outrageous. You probably have never played anything beside magsorc if you think that the game would be balanced with your suggestions.

Yea, that's why there's so many mag classes in pvp

I can literally count on one hand the amount of mag players I see on any given night in BG.

SirAndy

King_Thelon wrote: »

Why are we Still Playing One Stamriel?

Why are you still hyperboling?

Apache_Kid

Drachenfier wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Funny that it is actually the other way around. There are more and better mag dots, they have better sustain (Ele Drain) and more defense (they can better facetank with spammable burst heals and shields and they have better defense in outnumbered situations as well with Riposte and Mistform).

Your post is so biased it's outrageous. You probably have never played anything beside magsorc if you think that the game would be balanced with your suggestions.

Yea, that's why there's so many mag classes in pvp

I can literally count on one hand the amount of mag players I see on any given night in BG.

Magplar is currently the build I see most in BGs other than Stamsorcs on Xbox NA. I also see lots of magsorcs and magDKs.

There are plenty of magicka builds in PvP and in BGs specifically on my platform.

Drachenfier

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Funny that it is actually the other way around. There are more and better mag dots, they have better sustain (Ele Drain) and more defense (they can better facetank with spammable burst heals and shields and they have better defense in outnumbered situations as well with Riposte and Mistform).

Your post is so biased it's outrageous. You probably have never played anything beside magsorc if you think that the game would be balanced with your suggestions.

Yea, that's why there's so many mag classes in pvp

I can literally count on one hand the amount of mag players I see on any given night in BG.

Magplar is currently the build I see most in BGs other than Stamsorcs on Xbox NA. I also see lots of magsorcs and magDKs.

There are plenty of magicka builds in PvP and in BGs specifically on my platform.

Over the last three nights I've seen one MagDK, and it's always the same guy. Haven't seen a single Magplar or Magsorc. All stamina variants. Generally, the only mag class I see is NB.

Apache_Kid

Drachenfier wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Funny that it is actually the other way around. There are more and better mag dots, they have better sustain (Ele Drain) and more defense (they can better facetank with spammable burst heals and shields and they have better defense in outnumbered situations as well with Riposte and Mistform).

Your post is so biased it's outrageous. You probably have never played anything beside magsorc if you think that the game would be balanced with your suggestions.

Yea, that's why there's so many mag classes in pvp

I can literally count on one hand the amount of mag players I see on any given night in BG.

Magplar is currently the build I see most in BGs other than Stamsorcs on Xbox NA. I also see lots of magsorcs and magDKs.

There are plenty of magicka builds in PvP and in BGs specifically on my platform.

Over the last three nights I've seen one MagDK, and it's always the same guy. Haven't seen a single Magplar or Magsorc. All stamina variants. Generally, the only mag class I see is NB.

Damn that sucks. We have lots of diversity on Xbox NA. Great PvP population overall. Very healthy. Can't say the same for Cyrodiil performance.

Illurian

Seraphayel wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

Do you trial at all? Magicka (read: ranged) DDs will always get more spots than stamina purely because of the fact that they have ranged capability.

That takes 2 MagDPS out because Templar and DK have to be (or rather should be) in melee range for their skills. MagWarden isn't in a better place, it's 20% behind every other Magspec. Stamina is in no way "useless" for PvE, they can still pull insane DPS.

Another problem here is sustain - imho way easier for StamDPS than for MagDPS.

Where on earth did you get that stam DDs are "useless" from my comment? You even put quotation marks? Where did you quote that from?

I never said stam DDs are useless, only that usually there is a set amount of max stam DDs per group, while you could run 8-9 Magicka DDs (ranged) just fine.

And yes, Magicka DKs could use some love but from what I've been told and read (my magplar is a dedicated healer), magplar DDs still pull decent dps even at ranged (on par, or even higher than sorcs from what I've been told).

Seraphayel

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Funny that it is actually the other way around. There are more and better mag dots, they have better sustain (Ele Drain) and more defense (they can better facetank with spammable burst heals and shields and they have better defense in outnumbered situations as well with Riposte and Mistform).

Your post is so biased it's outrageous. You probably have never played anything beside magsorc if you think that the game would be balanced with your suggestions.

Yea, that's why there's so many mag classes in pvp

I can literally count on one hand the amount of mag players I see on any given night in BG.

Magplar is currently the build I see most in BGs other than Stamsorcs on Xbox NA. I also see lots of magsorcs and magDKs.

There are plenty of magicka builds in PvP and in BGs specifically on my platform.

Over the last three nights I've seen one MagDK, and it's always the same guy. Haven't seen a single Magplar or Magsorc. All stamina variants. Generally, the only mag class I see is NB.

Damn that sucks. We have lots of diversity on Xbox NA. Great PvP population overall. Very healthy. Can't say the same for Cyrodiil performance.

On PS4 it is pretty similar. Mostly StamDPS, almost no MagDPS and when there is some Magicka user it is a Sorc or a Nightblade. I see some Magplars as well but MagWarden or MagDK? Nope.

Lynx7386

OP is so biased I don't even feel like wasting my breath trying to correct him.

Get good or go away.

KingYogi415

L2P.

Game is more balanced then it has ever been!

greenmachine

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Forgot that pvp'ers think they're the only players that exist. Thanks for the reminder.

I wish there was a PvP subforum where all these buff me/nerf them threads could be catalogued. It would make it easier to find them when we're wondering why PvE players got nerfed.

BRCOURTN

Haha I love how you tag Wrobel at the beginning of your posts... like he’s going to come read your little forum rant

Minalan

King_Thelon wrote: »

@ZOS_Wrobel

We've been playing One Stamriel for a year and a half. The balance in your game has reached meme proportions matched only by incoherent decisions and an abyss of communication on the matter.


Stamina has:


Better burst damage (dawnbreaker is AoE with no delay, meteor is AoE with delay. Plus stam gets ultimates like Incap)

Better mobility (both types of NB's aside, snare removal, speed pots and sprint make all stam builds more mobile than any mag build)

Better survivability (heavy armour, dodge roll)

Better Heals over Time (vigor)

Better Damage over Time (bleeds)

Better AoE Damage (hurricane, spin to win are miles ahead of magician equivalents like boundless storm / pulsar)

Better Damage Sets (sets like Selene's, 7th Legion, Ravager have no Magicka equivalent)

Access to Spammable Gap Closers (which can no longer miss and ignore the Z axis, lol)

Access to Major Evasion (lol)


Magicka has:


Better Raid Healing (hope you've got that Templar / Warden levelled)

Access to Damage Shields (which don't last their duration, don't scale vs multiple opponents and have hard counters like Shieldbreaker and Shattering Blows)


Solutions


Do not remove any of Stam's capabilities. Instead, add the following to Magicka:

- A Magicka morph of Dawnbreaker

- Easy access to snare removal, HoTs, bleeds, evasion and gap closers

- Increase the innate resistance on Light Armour

- Buff Pulsar

- Change Shieldbreaker to only proc on Heavy Attacks, add an internal cool down or introduce an equivalent against Stam builds)

- Introduce an equivalent of Shattering Blows that affects Stamina builds, or rework Shattering Blows completely

- Introduce better Magicka sets (equivalents of Selene's, 7th Legion, Ravager, etc)

Add in that Max magicka no longer increases with blue CP because it’s capped, so shields are “stuck” every patch while damage continues to increase.

Magicka classes have been ‘adjusted’ to scale with 720 CP, and just aren’t nearly as effective or viable in No-CP campaigns and battlegrounds. Those are now pretty much all stamina parties. Last patch ZOS made things like storm atronach even less effective in No-CP. Then they’re wondering why we don’t play battlegrounds.

Magicka classes don’t have a 20% cost reduction baked into Resto and destruction staff skill lines like every stamina weapon.

Sorc mines are ridiculously expensive, casting them without a potion or a crapload of dark dealing is just asking for a free teleport to a home Keep of your choice.

Magicka class heavy attacks are slower and more difficult to work in, and are much easier to dodge off. This means that we have to build for resources, sustain, and more sustain. I can’t remember the last time I used an actual ‘damage’ set in PVP.

Stamina damage mitigation (block/dodge) is the most effective in the game, so Magicka players absolutely need to stack stamina in order to survive with our increasingly less effective shielding. Just understand, this last patch dodge roll was modified to avoid even more incoming damage, and blocking was made slightly cheaper for non-tank builds.

I think if they looked into these things, there wouldn’t be as much of a disparity. I know the stamina guys will scream about it, but I’m asking for parity with them, not stamina nerfs.

Hurtfan

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Forgot that pvp'ers think they're the only players that exist. Thanks for the reminder.

We are the only ones that exist, at least I thought so. PvP = Player vs Player....PvE = Player vs Everyone??

Seraphayel

KingYogi415 wrote: »

L2P.

Game is more balanced then it has ever been!

That's why 50% of the PvP population is Nightblades and most of them Stamina... that's why PvP is dominated by Stamina specs... yes, super balanced.

joe.smith21b14_ESO

King_Thelon wrote: »

@ZOS_Wrobel

We've been playing One Stamriel for a year and a half. The balance in your game has reached meme proportions matched only by incoherent decisions and an abyss of communication on the matter.


Stamina has:


Better burst damage (dawnbreaker is AoE with no delay, meteor is AoE with delay. Plus stam gets ultimates like Incap)

Better mobility (both types of NB's aside, snare removal, speed pots and sprint make all stam builds more mobile than any mag build)

Better survivability (heavy armour, dodge roll)

Better Heals over Time (vigor)

Better Damage over Time (bleeds)

Better AoE Damage (hurricane, spin to win are miles ahead of magician equivalents like boundless storm / pulsar)

Better Damage Sets (sets like Selene's, 7th Legion, Ravager have no Magicka equivalent)

Access to Spammable Gap Closers (which can no longer miss and ignore the Z axis, lol)

Access to Major Evasion (lol)


Magicka has:


Better Raid Healing (hope you've got that Templar / Warden levelled)

Access to Damage Shields (which don't last their duration, don't scale vs multiple opponents and have hard counters like Shieldbreaker and Shattering Blows)


Solutions


Do not remove any of Stam's capabilities. Instead, add the following to Magicka:

- A Magicka morph of Dawnbreaker

- Easy access to snare removal, HoTs, bleeds, evasion and gap closers

- Increase the innate resistance on Light Armour

- Buff Pulsar

- Change Shieldbreaker to only proc on Heavy Attacks, add an internal cool down or introduce an equivalent against Stam builds)

- Introduce an equivalent of Shattering Blows that affects Stamina builds, or rework Shattering Blows completely

- Introduce better Magicka sets (equivalents of Selene's, 7th Legion, Ravager, etc)

The king speaks the truth. For all who defy his speaking shall be branded a heretic and ganked for all of eso eternity.
Your arguments are invalid.

Kiralyn2000

Hurtfan wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Forgot that pvp'ers think they're the only players that exist. Thanks for the reminder.

We are the only ones that exist, at least I thought so. PvP = Player vs Player....PvE = Player vs Everyone??

PvE is Player vs Environment.... i.e, against the computer/NPCs/monsters.

ParaNostram

While I agree that the PvP meta favors stamina users, it is not as much as OP suggests. The biggest thing is often enough stam users have better burst potential and simply having more stamina for dodge rolling, CC breaking, etc, is incredibly useful. How do you kill a magsorc? Outside of bursting them down when their shields are down (shields are not as strong as everyone acts like they are btw) you drain their stamina so they can't CC break or get out of your roots.