Summerset Chapter and future of ESO PvP...

dwtdwtdwt

I know this has been deemed a dead issue, but Justice System pvp is the only way to go to implement more pvp content. It doesn't have to be fancy. It doesn't have to be Enforcers vs Outlaws, or whatever. All you need to do is to make stealth completely invisible to all. There's no reason players need to see someone who is stealth in open world if they are not in group. If you're a fugitive, you should be open game for pvp. If you don't like that idea, turn off the Justice System. This would also limit the idiots who just kill npc's all day without any repercussions. Justice System is failed, there is limited pvp- this would solve both those issues. All that needs to be done is to make stealth completely hidden to all players, and flagged for pvp at fugitive level.

SirAxen

The only other thing that could really be added to PVP is arena style and ranked stuff to the BG maps.

Anrose

kargen27 wrote: »

Anrose wrote: »

Is it apparent to anyone else here that the PvEers have just as much of a clue about what the state of PVP is as ZOS does?

No wonder we can’t even get a response about PvP let alone something in an update.

Anyone who thinks dueling, BGs, Cyrodiil towns, and IC flags were “good improvements” to PvP have likely limited their PvP experience to coming to Cyrodiil and saying “I’m only here for Vigor and Caltrops”

Another thing to consider beyond what I said earlier is any new PvP content further dilutes the PvP crowd. With PvE that isn't near the problem. PvP doesn't need new content to survive what we really need is some fixes to what we already have.

Precisely. Fix the things that make current Cyrodiil not fun. The funneling of players stacking them all in one place because there is nothing else worth their time on the map would be a good start. It’s bad for performance, and it makes thing monotonous stacking at a ring keep all the time.

Tandor

dwtdwtdwt wrote: »

I know this has been deemed a dead issue, but Justice System pvp is the only way to go to implement more pvp content. It doesn't have to be fancy. It doesn't have to be Enforcers vs Outlaws, or whatever. All you need to do is to make stealth completely invisible to all. There's no reason players need to see someone who is stealth in open world if they are not in group. If you're a fugitive, you should be open game for pvp. If you don't like that idea, turn off the Justice System. This would also limit the idiots who just kill npc's all day without any repercussions. Justice System is failed, there is limited pvp- this would solve both those issues. All that needs to be done is to make stealth completely hidden to all players, and flagged for pvp at fugitive level.

Why should PvEers be denied access to a PvE system in PvE areas?

Stealth was never the problem with the Enforcer system. The two problems were (a) experienced and well-geared PvPers griefing inexperienced and non-geared PvEers, and (b) exploitation by PvPers acting out the roles of Enforcer and Outlaw with their mates so as to gain xp, ranks, rewards, achievements, whatever. The only solutions that have ever been offered by PvPers have centred on telling PvEers they can abandon PvE content in PvE areas.

Also, if you want to encourage other players to support your ideas, how about not calling them "idiots"?

pieratsos

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Captain8504 wrote: »

magictucktuck wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

What would you guys want?

arenas for 2v2 or 1v1.. I love BG's for fun but i want something structured and skill dependent. im not a fan of stacking together in tanky proc/heal builds spaming aoes and facerolling randoms. ( dont mean that as an insult to people ) but i want something with only 2 teams and a scoreboard that tracks you own person stats not just time played. even as simple as a most kills and most heals but would like something more advanced and in you need 80 dmg to count as a kill so its not tracking the sorc or magblade executing from the ledge

edit: but if its 2v2 or 1v1 its not so much about kills but win/loss ratio and a random que and a team que and with small teams and only 2 teams its should not be hard at all to have the people for both ques. there are lots of people who want this in the pvp scene

We've already got 1v1 arena's...its called dueling lol

Calling the duelling that we have now as 1v1 arenas is literally like calling an overland world boss as end game group content. Its indeed very funny when you actually think what you just said.

Man I'm so happy to hear most diehard pvper's don't consider dueling pvp! Could you all get Zos to understand you guys/gals don't want it so they can remove it or restrict it more? I'd love to move around towns without all the hubbub? Thanks!

Can you even read or your hate for PVPers is making you literally blind? When did i say that duelling isnt PVP. Point me where.

Jeez dude why do you hate so much those "diehard" PVPers. What did they do to you. They 1vXed you so much to the point where you have nightmares of them? lol. Get a grip.

What platform are you on? I PvP all the time. I love PvP. I'd love to show you how much I love PvP. Can't stand eso's tryhard pvper's, not to be confused with diehard pvper's. Bunch of babies constantly running to mommy because Tommy beat them in a game.

But What I REALLY despise is the constant negative threads and impact these players have on the majority of eso. Zos can't just totally ignore a portion of their game, but if they would just separate the two all of this would go away. Tryhards and diehards could live in their own little bubble and general discussion would be less toxic.

Talking about babies crying and you've literally been in every single thread crying about anyone who has the audacity to ask some improvement in cyrodiil. Seems legit.

And who said anything about ignoring a portion of the game? Who said anything about ignoring PVE to do changes in PVP. You are just making things up. Which is prety much what you've been doing from the beginning. Talking out of ur ***, putting words in people's mouths and making ridiculously stupid statements, avoiding to answer any actual point people make and then insulting anyone who disagrees with you. Like i said. Get a grip. You are the one making the thread toxic dumb-ass, not PVPers.

pieratsos

Tandor wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Actually, there is something for PvPers, or at least for those PvPers who didn't buy Morrowind. If they pre-order Summerset they get Morrowind included, and that means they get Battlegrounds.

You must be working in marketing or be a politician. Because these are the two groups that constantly make people believe they’re getting one thing when in reality they’re getting something very different.

So no, Summerset doesn’t add anything to PvP as far as we know. And the lack of improvements for PvP are really disappointing for a lot of regular PvPers.

I understand it is probably much easier to just do some new PvE content as that is just some art work and some scripted routines. There have been many good ideas from the PvP community how to improve PvP. Sadly there isn’t any communication with the community either. It’s frustrating on a whole if you’re dedicated.

It does for those who don't currently own Morrowind and can't therefore access Battlegrounds. That was the only point I was making, but denying it simply shows how impossible it is to satisfy the PvP crowd. Give everyone for free something they previously chose not to pay for and still they don't think they're getting anything added.

So if ZOS was selling every 3 months the same exact DLC you would say that ZOS offers PVE content because there are people who didnt buy that DLC yet. Seems legit. Its not that its impossible to satisfy specifically the PVP crowd. Its impossible to satisfy everyone whether that is PVP or PVE because thats the nature of humans.

What is also impossible, is to imagine that PVE players would hate PVP and anyone who likes it that much. Like literally. ZOS is adding a new chapter once a year, they didnt even mention the PVP in the announcement, people are asking why and what is going on and there are literally more PVE players in those threads complaining about PVP players who had the audacity to ask for a few changes in a zone that is literally the same since launch and then telling them that they are making the forums toxic. The irony.

pieratsos

Tandor wrote: »

dwtdwtdwt wrote: »

I know this has been deemed a dead issue, but Justice System pvp is the only way to go to implement more pvp content. It doesn't have to be fancy. It doesn't have to be Enforcers vs Outlaws, or whatever. All you need to do is to make stealth completely invisible to all. There's no reason players need to see someone who is stealth in open world if they are not in group. If you're a fugitive, you should be open game for pvp. If you don't like that idea, turn off the Justice System. This would also limit the idiots who just kill npc's all day without any repercussions. Justice System is failed, there is limited pvp- this would solve both those issues. All that needs to be done is to make stealth completely hidden to all players, and flagged for pvp at fugitive level.

Why should PvEers be denied access to a PvE system in PvE areas?

Stealth was never the problem with the Enforcer system. The two problems were (a) experienced and well-geared PvPers griefing inexperienced and non-geared PvEers, and (b) exploitation by PvPers acting out the roles of Enforcer and Outlaw with their mates so as to gain xp, ranks, rewards, achievements, whatever. The only solutions that have ever been offered by PvPers have centred on telling PvEers they can abandon PvE content in PvE areas.

Also, if you want to encourage other players to support your ideas, how about not calling them "idiots"?

Actually people suggested to add an option to opt out of the PVP justice system. People were still raging for whatever reason. If anything its the exact opposite that is happening. PVE players asking for IC to become a PVE zone because they dont like PVP. Hell they are even asking for PVE versions of cyrodiil. Your bias against PVP is all over the place.

dwtdwtdwt

Tandor wrote: »

Why should PvEers be denied access to a PvE system in PvE areas?

Stealth was never the problem with the Enforcer system. The two problems were (a) experienced and well-geared PvPers griefing inexperienced and non-geared PvEers, and (b) exploitation by PvPers acting out the roles of Enforcer and Outlaw with their mates so as to gain xp, ranks, rewards, achievements, whatever. The only solutions that have ever been offered by PvPers have centred on telling PvEers they can abandon PvE content in PvE areas.

Also, if you want to encourage other players to support your ideas, how about not calling them "idiots"?

Enforcer System is flawed and should not be considered. Fixing the hidden mechanic is the only way to go and i think it could work anf fix some problems with Justice System exploits, and giving pvpers something to do too. "Experienced pvpers" would never "grief" "inexperienced pveers" if said pveers knew how to stay hidden- which is the whole concept of the Justice System. If you don't know how to hide, maybe you shouldn't steal or kill if you don't want a bounty. Don't get a bounty and you have nothing to worry about. If you're getting a bounty, you're doing it wrong and there should be a penalty. This is not for petty theft, this is for fugitives who deserve to die. Hide better. Any idiot can understand that.

Jade1986

Astrid_V wrote: »

Main question is - why they didn't mention a single word about PvP stuff?
We are going to get a new trial, but what about PvPers...? They are still quite big part of the game.

With Morrowind we got something for both - Halls of Fabrication for PvErs, and Battlegrounds for PvPers.
With Summerset? Nothing for PvP.

ZOS, what about upgrading Cyrodiil after 4 years to make it a better place?
What about Imperial City and its emptiness?
What about Battlegrounds, new Chapter won't add any new types of games to it?

I just don't get it.

Cyro def needs an upgrade. But we did get BGs, which is something =P

Tandor

pieratsos wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

dwtdwtdwt wrote: »

I know this has been deemed a dead issue, but Justice System pvp is the only way to go to implement more pvp content. It doesn't have to be fancy. It doesn't have to be Enforcers vs Outlaws, or whatever. All you need to do is to make stealth completely invisible to all. There's no reason players need to see someone who is stealth in open world if they are not in group. If you're a fugitive, you should be open game for pvp. If you don't like that idea, turn off the Justice System. This would also limit the idiots who just kill npc's all day without any repercussions. Justice System is failed, there is limited pvp- this would solve both those issues. All that needs to be done is to make stealth completely hidden to all players, and flagged for pvp at fugitive level.

Why should PvEers be denied access to a PvE system in PvE areas?

Stealth was never the problem with the Enforcer system. The two problems were (a) experienced and well-geared PvPers griefing inexperienced and non-geared PvEers, and (b) exploitation by PvPers acting out the roles of Enforcer and Outlaw with their mates so as to gain xp, ranks, rewards, achievements, whatever. The only solutions that have ever been offered by PvPers have centred on telling PvEers they can abandon PvE content in PvE areas.

Also, if you want to encourage other players to support your ideas, how about not calling them "idiots"?

Actually people suggested to add an option to opt out of the PVP justice system. People were still raging for whatever reason. If anything its the exact opposite that is happening. PVE players asking for IC to become a PVE zone because they dont like PVP. Hell they are even asking for PVE versions of cyrodiil. Your bias against PVP is all over the place.

I'm not asking for a PvE version of Cyrodiil. That said, if PvPers want full access to PvP in PvE zones then why shouldn't others ask for full access to PvE in PvP zones? It might even reduce the lag if there was a separate PvE instance ! However, I'm not asking for that.

People offering an opt-out for the PvP element of the Justice System have traditionally made that a conditional opt-out. Conditional, that is, on not breaching a bounty threshold. However, that is limiting the access to the PvE element, so PvEers reasonably oppose it. There are other reasons for opposing it that are perfectly legitimate, such as not wanting scarce developer resources spent on resurrecting a system that the developers have already firmly rejected when there are other more pressing issues - including performance issues in Cyrodiil, for example. Such as not wanting additional performance issues created in PvE zones by more PvP fights there over and above the duels that are already centred around wayshrines and other populated areas. Even some PvPers are now saying that they don't want additional forms of PvP because that will dilute the main PvP activity in Cyrodiil, they just want the performance issues there to be resolved. The PvP element of the Justice System is a dead horse issue now, on both sides of the PvE/PvP divide.

Sevn

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Captain8504 wrote: »

magictucktuck wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

What would you guys want?

arenas for 2v2 or 1v1.. I love BG's for fun but i want something structured and skill dependent. im not a fan of stacking together in tanky proc/heal builds spaming aoes and facerolling randoms. ( dont mean that as an insult to people ) but i want something with only 2 teams and a scoreboard that tracks you own person stats not just time played. even as simple as a most kills and most heals but would like something more advanced and in you need 80 dmg to count as a kill so its not tracking the sorc or magblade executing from the ledge

edit: but if its 2v2 or 1v1 its not so much about kills but win/loss ratio and a random que and a team que and with small teams and only 2 teams its should not be hard at all to have the people for both ques. there are lots of people who want this in the pvp scene

We've already got 1v1 arena's...its called dueling lol

Calling the duelling that we have now as 1v1 arenas is literally like calling an overland world boss as end game group content. Its indeed very funny when you actually think what you just said.

Man I'm so happy to hear most diehard pvper's don't consider dueling pvp! Could you all get Zos to understand you guys/gals don't want it so they can remove it or restrict it more? I'd love to move around towns without all the hubbub? Thanks!

Can you even read or your hate for PVPers is making you literally blind? When did i say that duelling isnt PVP. Point me where.

Jeez dude why do you hate so much those "diehard" PVPers. What did they do to you. They 1vXed you so much to the point where you have nightmares of them? lol. Get a grip.

What platform are you on? I PvP all the time. I love PvP. I'd love to show you how much I love PvP. Can't stand eso's tryhard pvper's, not to be confused with diehard pvper's. Bunch of babies constantly running to mommy because Tommy beat them in a game.

But What I REALLY despise is the constant negative threads and impact these players have on the majority of eso. Zos can't just totally ignore a portion of their game, but if they would just separate the two all of this would go away. Tryhards and diehards could live in their own little bubble and general discussion would be less toxic.

Talking about babies crying and you've literally been in every single thread crying about anyone who has the audacity to ask some improvement in cyrodiil. Seems legit.

And who said anything about ignoring a portion of the game? Who said anything about ignoring PVE to do changes in PVP. You are just making things up. Which is prety much what you've been doing from the beginning. Talking out of ur ***, putting words in people's mouths and making ridiculously stupid statements, avoiding to answer any actual point people make and then insulting anyone who disagrees with you. Like i said. Get a grip. You are the one making the thread toxic dumb-ass, not PVPers.

Lol! You folks are so easily riled up, love the salty replies! I'm in tons of these threads because they are highly entertaining. Who's the dumb ass, the one making ridiculous claims or the ones who keep responding to said claims?

At least try and hide the fact that some random person on the internet can have such an affect on you! I'm a nobody, why care about my opinion or try to refute it?

You still didn't answer the question though? What platform? I'm on ps4, Sevn_Vll, and I'd love to show you how much I enjoy PvP.

pieratsos

Tandor wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

dwtdwtdwt wrote: »

I know this has been deemed a dead issue, but Justice System pvp is the only way to go to implement more pvp content. It doesn't have to be fancy. It doesn't have to be Enforcers vs Outlaws, or whatever. All you need to do is to make stealth completely invisible to all. There's no reason players need to see someone who is stealth in open world if they are not in group. If you're a fugitive, you should be open game for pvp. If you don't like that idea, turn off the Justice System. This would also limit the idiots who just kill npc's all day without any repercussions. Justice System is failed, there is limited pvp- this would solve both those issues. All that needs to be done is to make stealth completely hidden to all players, and flagged for pvp at fugitive level.

Why should PvEers be denied access to a PvE system in PvE areas?

Stealth was never the problem with the Enforcer system. The two problems were (a) experienced and well-geared PvPers griefing inexperienced and non-geared PvEers, and (b) exploitation by PvPers acting out the roles of Enforcer and Outlaw with their mates so as to gain xp, ranks, rewards, achievements, whatever. The only solutions that have ever been offered by PvPers have centred on telling PvEers they can abandon PvE content in PvE areas.

Also, if you want to encourage other players to support your ideas, how about not calling them "idiots"?

Actually people suggested to add an option to opt out of the PVP justice system. People were still raging for whatever reason. If anything its the exact opposite that is happening. PVE players asking for IC to become a PVE zone because they dont like PVP. Hell they are even asking for PVE versions of cyrodiil. Your bias against PVP is all over the place.

I'm not asking for a PvE version of Cyrodiil. That said, if PvPers want full access to PvP in PvE zones then why shouldn't others ask for full access to PvE in PvP zones? It might even reduce the lag if there was a separate PvE instance ! However, I'm not asking for that.

People offering an opt-out for the PvP element of the Justice System have traditionally made that a conditional opt-out. Conditional, that is, on not breaching a bounty threshold. However, that is limiting the access to the PvE element, so PvEers reasonably oppose it. There are other reasons for opposing it that are perfectly legitimate, such as not wanting scarce developer resources spent on resurrecting a system that the developers have already firmly rejected when there are other more pressing issues - including performance issues in Cyrodiil, for example. Such as not wanting additional performance issues created in PvE zones by more PvP fights there over and above the duels that are already centred around wayshrines and other populated areas. Even some PvPers are now saying that they don't want additional forms of PvP because that will dilute the main PvP activity in Cyrodiil, they just want the performance issues there to be resolved. The PvP element of the Justice System is a dead horse issue now, on both sides of the PvE/PvP divide.

No conditions attached to suggestions. Just opt out of PVP justice system. But anw that is indeed a dead horse and Im not asking for that either. Just saying that what you said isnt true. And its really not the same what you compared. Making IC a PVE zone is taking away IC from PVP players. A PVP justice system that doesnt affect anyone who doesnt want to be involved in it doesnt take anything away from anyone. And people already have access to PVE in PVP areas. Anyone can go and PVE in IC or cyro. But anw, thats not the point. Thats a completely different subject and its off topic.

The point is the title of this thread is summerset chapter and future of PVP because in the announcement of the "huge" update of the year PVP wasnt even mentioned. And people simply asked what the hell is going on and when is there going to be any update related to PVP cause right now cyrodiil is screwed up in like every possible way, and its the same since launch with the exception of a couple of flags in towns ("PVP update lol"). And every PVE player and their mother jumped in the thread literally complaining, insulting etc every PVP player that had the audacity to even ask about PVP and then telling them that they are the reasons forums are toxic. Seems legit.

geonsocal

playing pvp in eso grants you the power of invisibility (to zos)...

pieratsos

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Captain8504 wrote: »

magictucktuck wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

What would you guys want?

arenas for 2v2 or 1v1.. I love BG's for fun but i want something structured and skill dependent. im not a fan of stacking together in tanky proc/heal builds spaming aoes and facerolling randoms. ( dont mean that as an insult to people ) but i want something with only 2 teams and a scoreboard that tracks you own person stats not just time played. even as simple as a most kills and most heals but would like something more advanced and in you need 80 dmg to count as a kill so its not tracking the sorc or magblade executing from the ledge

edit: but if its 2v2 or 1v1 its not so much about kills but win/loss ratio and a random que and a team que and with small teams and only 2 teams its should not be hard at all to have the people for both ques. there are lots of people who want this in the pvp scene

We've already got 1v1 arena's...its called dueling lol

Calling the duelling that we have now as 1v1 arenas is literally like calling an overland world boss as end game group content. Its indeed very funny when you actually think what you just said.

Man I'm so happy to hear most diehard pvper's don't consider dueling pvp! Could you all get Zos to understand you guys/gals don't want it so they can remove it or restrict it more? I'd love to move around towns without all the hubbub? Thanks!

Can you even read or your hate for PVPers is making you literally blind? When did i say that duelling isnt PVP. Point me where.

Jeez dude why do you hate so much those "diehard" PVPers. What did they do to you. They 1vXed you so much to the point where you have nightmares of them? lol. Get a grip.

What platform are you on? I PvP all the time. I love PvP. I'd love to show you how much I love PvP. Can't stand eso's tryhard pvper's, not to be confused with diehard pvper's. Bunch of babies constantly running to mommy because Tommy beat them in a game.

But What I REALLY despise is the constant negative threads and impact these players have on the majority of eso. Zos can't just totally ignore a portion of their game, but if they would just separate the two all of this would go away. Tryhards and diehards could live in their own little bubble and general discussion would be less toxic.

Talking about babies crying and you've literally been in every single thread crying about anyone who has the audacity to ask some improvement in cyrodiil. Seems legit.

And who said anything about ignoring a portion of the game? Who said anything about ignoring PVE to do changes in PVP. You are just making things up. Which is prety much what you've been doing from the beginning. Talking out of ur ***, putting words in people's mouths and making ridiculously stupid statements, avoiding to answer any actual point people make and then insulting anyone who disagrees with you. Like i said. Get a grip. You are the one making the thread toxic dumb-ass, not PVPers.

Lol! You folks are so easily riled up, love the salty replies! I'm in tons of these threads because they are highly entertaining. Who's the dumb ass, the one making ridiculous claims or the ones who keep responding to said claims?

At least try and hide the fact that some random person on the internet can have such an affect on you! I'm a nobody, why care about my opinion or try to refute it?

You still didn't answer the question though? What platform? I'm on ps4, Sevn_Vll, and I'd love to show you how much I enjoy PvP.

Riled up? Salty replies? Having an effect on me? You are seriously running around in the forum insulting people and then telling them that you have an effect on them? What the actual ****? And you are asking me who is the dumb-ass? Lmao. You are pure comedy mate.

Im on PC. Playing a lot longer than you do. Since beta. I dont need you to to show me anything and i highly doubt that you have anything to show me anw. But if you are so obsessed to show me how much u love PVP then by all means show us some footage of u in PVP.

Tandor

pieratsos wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

dwtdwtdwt wrote: »

I know this has been deemed a dead issue, but Justice System pvp is the only way to go to implement more pvp content. It doesn't have to be fancy. It doesn't have to be Enforcers vs Outlaws, or whatever. All you need to do is to make stealth completely invisible to all. There's no reason players need to see someone who is stealth in open world if they are not in group. If you're a fugitive, you should be open game for pvp. If you don't like that idea, turn off the Justice System. This would also limit the idiots who just kill npc's all day without any repercussions. Justice System is failed, there is limited pvp- this would solve both those issues. All that needs to be done is to make stealth completely hidden to all players, and flagged for pvp at fugitive level.

Why should PvEers be denied access to a PvE system in PvE areas?

Stealth was never the problem with the Enforcer system. The two problems were (a) experienced and well-geared PvPers griefing inexperienced and non-geared PvEers, and (b) exploitation by PvPers acting out the roles of Enforcer and Outlaw with their mates so as to gain xp, ranks, rewards, achievements, whatever. The only solutions that have ever been offered by PvPers have centred on telling PvEers they can abandon PvE content in PvE areas.

Also, if you want to encourage other players to support your ideas, how about not calling them "idiots"?

Actually people suggested to add an option to opt out of the PVP justice system. People were still raging for whatever reason. If anything its the exact opposite that is happening. PVE players asking for IC to become a PVE zone because they dont like PVP. Hell they are even asking for PVE versions of cyrodiil. Your bias against PVP is all over the place.

I'm not asking for a PvE version of Cyrodiil. That said, if PvPers want full access to PvP in PvE zones then why shouldn't others ask for full access to PvE in PvP zones? It might even reduce the lag if there was a separate PvE instance ! However, I'm not asking for that.

People offering an opt-out for the PvP element of the Justice System have traditionally made that a conditional opt-out. Conditional, that is, on not breaching a bounty threshold. However, that is limiting the access to the PvE element, so PvEers reasonably oppose it. There are other reasons for opposing it that are perfectly legitimate, such as not wanting scarce developer resources spent on resurrecting a system that the developers have already firmly rejected when there are other more pressing issues - including performance issues in Cyrodiil, for example. Such as not wanting additional performance issues created in PvE zones by more PvP fights there over and above the duels that are already centred around wayshrines and other populated areas. Even some PvPers are now saying that they don't want additional forms of PvP because that will dilute the main PvP activity in Cyrodiil, they just want the performance issues there to be resolved. The PvP element of the Justice System is a dead horse issue now, on both sides of the PvE/PvP divide.

No conditions attached to suggestions. Just opt out of PVP justice system. But anw that is indeed a dead horse and Im not asking for that either. Just saying that what you said isnt true. And its really not the same what you compared. Making IC a PVE zone is taking away IC from PVP players. A PVP justice system that doesnt affect anyone who doesnt want to be involved in it doesnt take anything away from anyone. And people already have access to PVE in PVP areas. Anyone can go and PVE in IC or cyro. But anw, thats not the point. Thats a completely different subject and its off topic.

The point is the title of this thread is summerset chapter and future of PVP because in the announcement of the "huge" update of the year PVP wasnt even mentioned. And people simply asked what the hell is going on and when is there going to be any update related to PVP cause right now cyrodiil is screwed up in like every possible way, and its the same since launch with the exception of a couple of flags in towns ("PVP update lol"). And every PVE player and their mother jumped in the thread literally complaining, insulting etc every PVP player that had the audacity to even ask about PVP and then telling them that they are the reasons forums are toxic. Seems legit.

I never suggested that, nor am I aware that others have. People have suggested an additional PvE instance of Cyrodiil in the past (or Imperial City no doubt) although I said I wasn't asking for that. The point is, you can have PvE instances of PvP zones and it doesn't take those zones away from PvP players.

I also think you're overstating it considerably to say that "every PVE player and their mother jumped in the thread literally complaining, insulting etc every PVP player that had the audacity to even ask about PVP and then telling them that they are the reasons forums are toxic". That's not what I take from this thread at all, a few critics yes (the main one being a PvPer as it happens), but mostly people have been asking PvPers what they do want, and the answer here and elsewhere seems to be increasingly that they want Cyrodiil fixed before they even think about new PvP content.

LittlePinkDot

All they need to do is fix the lag.

MLGProPlayer

They might add a new BG map or some new mode (like ranked). Not much else they can do. And we don't know yet that they won't do this.

Sevn

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Captain8504 wrote: »

magictucktuck wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

What would you guys want?

arenas for 2v2 or 1v1.. I love BG's for fun but i want something structured and skill dependent. im not a fan of stacking together in tanky proc/heal builds spaming aoes and facerolling randoms. ( dont mean that as an insult to people ) but i want something with only 2 teams and a scoreboard that tracks you own person stats not just time played. even as simple as a most kills and most heals but would like something more advanced and in you need 80 dmg to count as a kill so its not tracking the sorc or magblade executing from the ledge

edit: but if its 2v2 or 1v1 its not so much about kills but win/loss ratio and a random que and a team que and with small teams and only 2 teams its should not be hard at all to have the people for both ques. there are lots of people who want this in the pvp scene

We've already got 1v1 arena's...its called dueling lol

Calling the duelling that we have now as 1v1 arenas is literally like calling an overland world boss as end game group content. Its indeed very funny when you actually think what you just said.

Man I'm so happy to hear most diehard pvper's don't consider dueling pvp! Could you all get Zos to understand you guys/gals don't want it so they can remove it or restrict it more? I'd love to move around towns without all the hubbub? Thanks!

Can you even read or your hate for PVPers is making you literally blind? When did i say that duelling isnt PVP. Point me where.

Jeez dude why do you hate so much those "diehard" PVPers. What did they do to you. They 1vXed you so much to the point where you have nightmares of them? lol. Get a grip.

What platform are you on? I PvP all the time. I love PvP. I'd love to show you how much I love PvP. Can't stand eso's tryhard pvper's, not to be confused with diehard pvper's. Bunch of babies constantly running to mommy because Tommy beat them in a game.

But What I REALLY despise is the constant negative threads and impact these players have on the majority of eso. Zos can't just totally ignore a portion of their game, but if they would just separate the two all of this would go away. Tryhards and diehards could live in their own little bubble and general discussion would be less toxic.

Talking about babies crying and you've literally been in every single thread crying about anyone who has the audacity to ask some improvement in cyrodiil. Seems legit.

And who said anything about ignoring a portion of the game? Who said anything about ignoring PVE to do changes in PVP. You are just making things up. Which is prety much what you've been doing from the beginning. Talking out of ur ***, putting words in people's mouths and making ridiculously stupid statements, avoiding to answer any actual point people make and then insulting anyone who disagrees with you. Like i said. Get a grip. You are the one making the thread toxic dumb-ass, not PVPers.

Lol! You folks are so easily riled up, love the salty replies! I'm in tons of these threads because they are highly entertaining. Who's the dumb ass, the one making ridiculous claims or the ones who keep responding to said claims?

At least try and hide the fact that some random person on the internet can have such an affect on you! I'm a nobody, why care about my opinion or try to refute it?

You still didn't answer the question though? What platform? I'm on ps4, Sevn_Vll, and I'd love to show you how much I enjoy PvP.

Riled up? Salty replies? Having an effect on me? You are seriously running around in the forum insulting people and then telling them that you have an effect on them? What the actual ****? And you are asking me who is the dumb-ass? Lmao. You are pure comedy mate.

Im on PC. Playing a lot longer than you do. Since beta. I dont need you to to show me anything and i highly doubt that you have anything to show me anw. But if you are so obsessed to show me how much u love PVP then by all means show us some footage of u in PVP.

Nah, you're much more entertaining to interact with and I believe it was you who stated I don't like pvper's or pvp when it's tryhards I don't like.

Let us be clear laddie, while you might have played since beta (wow, good for you!) that means zilch. If you consider carebear an insult maybe you snowflakes shouldn't use it either?

PC huh? Shame.

pieratsos

Tandor wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

dwtdwtdwt wrote: »

I know this has been deemed a dead issue, but Justice System pvp is the only way to go to implement more pvp content. It doesn't have to be fancy. It doesn't have to be Enforcers vs Outlaws, or whatever. All you need to do is to make stealth completely invisible to all. There's no reason players need to see someone who is stealth in open world if they are not in group. If you're a fugitive, you should be open game for pvp. If you don't like that idea, turn off the Justice System. This would also limit the idiots who just kill npc's all day without any repercussions. Justice System is failed, there is limited pvp- this would solve both those issues. All that needs to be done is to make stealth completely hidden to all players, and flagged for pvp at fugitive level.

Why should PvEers be denied access to a PvE system in PvE areas?

Stealth was never the problem with the Enforcer system. The two problems were (a) experienced and well-geared PvPers griefing inexperienced and non-geared PvEers, and (b) exploitation by PvPers acting out the roles of Enforcer and Outlaw with their mates so as to gain xp, ranks, rewards, achievements, whatever. The only solutions that have ever been offered by PvPers have centred on telling PvEers they can abandon PvE content in PvE areas.

Also, if you want to encourage other players to support your ideas, how about not calling them "idiots"?

Actually people suggested to add an option to opt out of the PVP justice system. People were still raging for whatever reason. If anything its the exact opposite that is happening. PVE players asking for IC to become a PVE zone because they dont like PVP. Hell they are even asking for PVE versions of cyrodiil. Your bias against PVP is all over the place.

I'm not asking for a PvE version of Cyrodiil. That said, if PvPers want full access to PvP in PvE zones then why shouldn't others ask for full access to PvE in PvP zones? It might even reduce the lag if there was a separate PvE instance ! However, I'm not asking for that.

People offering an opt-out for the PvP element of the Justice System have traditionally made that a conditional opt-out. Conditional, that is, on not breaching a bounty threshold. However, that is limiting the access to the PvE element, so PvEers reasonably oppose it. There are other reasons for opposing it that are perfectly legitimate, such as not wanting scarce developer resources spent on resurrecting a system that the developers have already firmly rejected when there are other more pressing issues - including performance issues in Cyrodiil, for example. Such as not wanting additional performance issues created in PvE zones by more PvP fights there over and above the duels that are already centred around wayshrines and other populated areas. Even some PvPers are now saying that they don't want additional forms of PvP because that will dilute the main PvP activity in Cyrodiil, they just want the performance issues there to be resolved. The PvP element of the Justice System is a dead horse issue now, on both sides of the PvE/PvP divide.

No conditions attached to suggestions. Just opt out of PVP justice system. But anw that is indeed a dead horse and Im not asking for that either. Just saying that what you said isnt true. And its really not the same what you compared. Making IC a PVE zone is taking away IC from PVP players. A PVP justice system that doesnt affect anyone who doesnt want to be involved in it doesnt take anything away from anyone. And people already have access to PVE in PVP areas. Anyone can go and PVE in IC or cyro. But anw, thats not the point. Thats a completely different subject and its off topic.

The point is the title of this thread is summerset chapter and future of PVP because in the announcement of the "huge" update of the year PVP wasnt even mentioned. And people simply asked what the hell is going on and when is there going to be any update related to PVP cause right now cyrodiil is screwed up in like every possible way, and its the same since launch with the exception of a couple of flags in towns ("PVP update lol"). And every PVE player and their mother jumped in the thread literally complaining, insulting etc every PVP player that had the audacity to even ask about PVP and then telling them that they are the reasons forums are toxic. Seems legit.

I never suggested that, nor am I aware that others have. People have suggested an additional PvE instance of Cyrodiil in the past (or Imperial City no doubt) although I said I wasn't asking for that. The point is, you can have PvE instances of PvP zones and it doesn't take those zones away from PvP players.

I also think you're overstating it considerably to say that "every PVE player and their mother jumped in the thread literally complaining, insulting etc every PVP player that had the audacity to even ask about PVP and then telling them that they are the reasons forums are toxic". That's not what I take from this thread at all, a few critics yes (the main one being a PvPer as it happens), but mostly people have been asking PvPers what they do want, and the answer here and elsewhere seems to be increasingly that they want Cyrodiil fixed before they even think about new PvP content.

Exactly. They are asking for Cyro improvements cause cyrodiil is so bad that its not even funny anymore. Thats it. Nothing more. And the replies are. No you cant do that, this is not a PVP game, you already got Bgs, you already got a lot of PVP updates (and since u dont PVP and u were one of the people that made that argument i can explain u in detail what those "PVP updates" contain if u want), stop crying snowflakes, you will never be satisfied, i hate PVP, you are toxic and my personal favourite which just happened and you can read it. "at least hide the fact that a random person on the internet has such an effect on you". Lmao. Ok, i guess. I admit, it did have an effect on me. I laughed a lot when i read it.

Jura23

Seraphayel wrote: »

Astrid_V wrote: »

Main question is - why they didn't mention a single word about PvP stuff?
We are going to get a new trial, but what about PvPers...? They are still quite big part of the game.

With Morrowind we got something for both - Halls of Fabrication for PvErs, and Battlegrounds for PvPers.
With Summerset? Nothing for PvP.

ZOS, what about upgrading Cyrodiil after 4 years to make it a better place?
What about Imperial City and its emptiness?
What about Battlegrounds, new Chapter won't add any new types of games to it?

I just don't get it.

PvP got battlegrounds last year. What do you expect they'll add for PvP? They can tweak Cyrodiil and Battlegrounds but there isn't more to come for PvP imho except maybe new maps for BGs and balancing in Cyrodiil.

BGs need cahnges and I think they should start some serious discussion with the community about those changes. Plus they should release a new map with every major update if they také PvP any seriously.

ofSunhold

Well, they haven't shown us everything yet. Hope lives. But with story, a new zone, a new skill line and a crafting update, I'd be surprised if anything much for PVP happened this time around. Tbh they make me a little nervous when they change/add too much stuff at once.

I hope it's our turn soon though.

pieratsos

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Captain8504 wrote: »

magictucktuck wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

What would you guys want?

arenas for 2v2 or 1v1.. I love BG's for fun but i want something structured and skill dependent. im not a fan of stacking together in tanky proc/heal builds spaming aoes and facerolling randoms. ( dont mean that as an insult to people ) but i want something with only 2 teams and a scoreboard that tracks you own person stats not just time played. even as simple as a most kills and most heals but would like something more advanced and in you need 80 dmg to count as a kill so its not tracking the sorc or magblade executing from the ledge

edit: but if its 2v2 or 1v1 its not so much about kills but win/loss ratio and a random que and a team que and with small teams and only 2 teams its should not be hard at all to have the people for both ques. there are lots of people who want this in the pvp scene

We've already got 1v1 arena's...its called dueling lol

Calling the duelling that we have now as 1v1 arenas is literally like calling an overland world boss as end game group content. Its indeed very funny when you actually think what you just said.

Man I'm so happy to hear most diehard pvper's don't consider dueling pvp! Could you all get Zos to understand you guys/gals don't want it so they can remove it or restrict it more? I'd love to move around towns without all the hubbub? Thanks!

Can you even read or your hate for PVPers is making you literally blind? When did i say that duelling isnt PVP. Point me where.

Jeez dude why do you hate so much those "diehard" PVPers. What did they do to you. They 1vXed you so much to the point where you have nightmares of them? lol. Get a grip.

What platform are you on? I PvP all the time. I love PvP. I'd love to show you how much I love PvP. Can't stand eso's tryhard pvper's, not to be confused with diehard pvper's. Bunch of babies constantly running to mommy because Tommy beat them in a game.

But What I REALLY despise is the constant negative threads and impact these players have on the majority of eso. Zos can't just totally ignore a portion of their game, but if they would just separate the two all of this would go away. Tryhards and diehards could live in their own little bubble and general discussion would be less toxic.

Talking about babies crying and you've literally been in every single thread crying about anyone who has the audacity to ask some improvement in cyrodiil. Seems legit.

And who said anything about ignoring a portion of the game? Who said anything about ignoring PVE to do changes in PVP. You are just making things up. Which is prety much what you've been doing from the beginning. Talking out of ur ***, putting words in people's mouths and making ridiculously stupid statements, avoiding to answer any actual point people make and then insulting anyone who disagrees with you. Like i said. Get a grip. You are the one making the thread toxic dumb-ass, not PVPers.

Lol! You folks are so easily riled up, love the salty replies! I'm in tons of these threads because they are highly entertaining. Who's the dumb ass, the one making ridiculous claims or the ones who keep responding to said claims?

At least try and hide the fact that some random person on the internet can have such an affect on you! I'm a nobody, why care about my opinion or try to refute it?

You still didn't answer the question though? What platform? I'm on ps4, Sevn_Vll, and I'd love to show you how much I enjoy PvP.

Riled up? Salty replies? Having an effect on me? You are seriously running around in the forum insulting people and then telling them that you have an effect on them? What the actual ****? And you are asking me who is the dumb-ass? Lmao. You are pure comedy mate.

Im on PC. Playing a lot longer than you do. Since beta. I dont need you to to show me anything and i highly doubt that you have anything to show me anw. But if you are so obsessed to show me how much u love PVP then by all means show us some footage of u in PVP.

Nah, you're much more entertaining to interact with and I believe it was you who stated I don't like pvper's or pvp when it's tryhards I don't like.

Let us be clear laddie, while you might have played since beta (wow, good for you!) that means zilch. If you consider carebear an insult maybe you snowflakes shouldn't use it either?

PC huh? Shame.

You are literally the one who derailed the thread. Every single post you made was just a shoot at anyone who likes PVP by insulting them, putting words in their mouths and making arguments out of ur *** just to provoke them even more.

And me playing since beta does mean something. It means i know a lot more than you do when it comes to PVP, that you are completely clueless and like i said pure comedy. Go back to ur zerg, maybe try vMA until u are good enough to beat it or dunno. Just do something that doesnt involve making urself look like an idiot here.

ak_pvp

What in the heck is going on in this thread.

PvP player: "We want more worth while PvP in a game where PvP is an important but underrepresented part."

PvE players: "No, you shouldn't have what you want, you already got a phenomenal 1.5 DLCs ~Complete disregard to amount of PvE content released~ and occasional campaign name changes, ugh bet you greedy PvPers forgot when they removed doors from towers too.. Stupid crybabies getting PvE nerfed ~Conveniently forgets all non tank areas of sustain changes, off balance changes and things introduced for PvE~ they should just delete PvP"

Also PvE players: "Stop being salty."

Hmmmm....

houjo2000b16_ESO

Like any other mmo, there are parts of the game people gravitate to. Of course in ESO there will be limited focus on pvp when most players aren't interested in it.

Why put in rated pvp? It would be dead. Classes and builds aren't balanced, gear is such a massive part of your damage capabilities that it would be a lot of work to create something that would be ignored by most, and would only make those who wanted it angry when they can't get anything from it.

They already put in IC, RvR and BGs so they know how much people are doing it, and it's clear from the lack of additional content now that the result has been unimpressive.

The competitive scene is vanishing from mmos and going to games which focus exclusively on it. It's probably better if they don't put the extreme level of time and effort into competitive pvp when it won't be used, and avoid the massive balancing issues that competitive pvpers demand but always end up ruining specs for the 99% of players who will never do it.

Vapirko

It’s fairly obvious at this point, is it not? Cyrodiil will never see any real fixes. This is it for PvP until the servers go off. ZOS has had SO much time and SO many good suggestions to work off of and they have not made even one meaningful change in Cyrodiil beyond combat changes and most of those are mediocre at best. It’s very safe to say they’re well aware of the issues and have simply decided not to do anything about it.

Sevn

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Captain8504 wrote: »

magictucktuck wrote: »

coop500 wrote: »

What would you guys want?

arenas for 2v2 or 1v1.. I love BG's for fun but i want something structured and skill dependent. im not a fan of stacking together in tanky proc/heal builds spaming aoes and facerolling randoms. ( dont mean that as an insult to people ) but i want something with only 2 teams and a scoreboard that tracks you own person stats not just time played. even as simple as a most kills and most heals but would like something more advanced and in you need 80 dmg to count as a kill so its not tracking the sorc or magblade executing from the ledge

edit: but if its 2v2 or 1v1 its not so much about kills but win/loss ratio and a random que and a team que and with small teams and only 2 teams its should not be hard at all to have the people for both ques. there are lots of people who want this in the pvp scene

We've already got 1v1 arena's...its called dueling lol

Calling the duelling that we have now as 1v1 arenas is literally like calling an overland world boss as end game group content. Its indeed very funny when you actually think what you just said.

Man I'm so happy to hear most diehard pvper's don't consider dueling pvp! Could you all get Zos to understand you guys/gals don't want it so they can remove it or restrict it more? I'd love to move around towns without all the hubbub? Thanks!

Can you even read or your hate for PVPers is making you literally blind? When did i say that duelling isnt PVP. Point me where.

Jeez dude why do you hate so much those "diehard" PVPers. What did they do to you. They 1vXed you so much to the point where you have nightmares of them? lol. Get a grip.

What platform are you on? I PvP all the time. I love PvP. I'd love to show you how much I love PvP. Can't stand eso's tryhard pvper's, not to be confused with diehard pvper's. Bunch of babies constantly running to mommy because Tommy beat them in a game.

But What I REALLY despise is the constant negative threads and impact these players have on the majority of eso. Zos can't just totally ignore a portion of their game, but if they would just separate the two all of this would go away. Tryhards and diehards could live in their own little bubble and general discussion would be less toxic.

Talking about babies crying and you've literally been in every single thread crying about anyone who has the audacity to ask some improvement in cyrodiil. Seems legit.

And who said anything about ignoring a portion of the game? Who said anything about ignoring PVE to do changes in PVP. You are just making things up. Which is prety much what you've been doing from the beginning. Talking out of ur ***, putting words in people's mouths and making ridiculously stupid statements, avoiding to answer any actual point people make and then insulting anyone who disagrees with you. Like i said. Get a grip. You are the one making the thread toxic dumb-ass, not PVPers.

Lol! You folks are so easily riled up, love the salty replies! I'm in tons of these threads because they are highly entertaining. Who's the dumb ass, the one making ridiculous claims or the ones who keep responding to said claims?

At least try and hide the fact that some random person on the internet can have such an affect on you! I'm a nobody, why care about my opinion or try to refute it?

You still didn't answer the question though? What platform? I'm on ps4, Sevn_Vll, and I'd love to show you how much I enjoy PvP.

Riled up? Salty replies? Having an effect on me? You are seriously running around in the forum insulting people and then telling them that you have an effect on them? What the actual ****? And you are asking me who is the dumb-ass? Lmao. You are pure comedy mate.

Im on PC. Playing a lot longer than you do. Since beta. I dont need you to to show me anything and i highly doubt that you have anything to show me anw. But if you are so obsessed to show me how much u love PVP then by all means show us some footage of u in PVP.

Nah, you're much more entertaining to interact with and I believe it was you who stated I don't like pvper's or pvp when it's tryhards I don't like.

Let us be clear laddie, while you might have played since beta (wow, good for you!) that means zilch. If you consider carebear an insult maybe you snowflakes shouldn't use it either?

PC huh? Shame.

You are literally the one who derailed the thread. Every single post you made was just a shoot at anyone who likes PVP by insulting them, putting words in their mouths and making arguments out of ur *** just to provoke them even more.

And me playing since beta does mean something. It means i know a lot more than you do when it comes to PVP, that you are completely clueless and like i said pure comedy. Go back to ur zerg, maybe try vMA until u are good enough to beat it or dunno. Just do something that doesnt involve making urself look like an idiot here.

Ever heard the saying never argue with a fool? Yet you still engage this idiot? I'm blushing. What else is there to say? Repeat what others have already said? Nope, this is way more fun! Shame you're the only one silly enough to continue this engagement though!

Priyasekarssk

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

magictucktuck wrote: »

maybe next DLc will be a full on PvP DLC? that would make me happy

Full PvP DLC focused on overhauling Cyrodiil...

A man can dream.

First populate existing cyrodil. We can talk about DLC later. All running in 1 bars except vivec. Whats meaning of PVP dlc when no one going to buy except few max CP players. Already imperial city and sewers are empty and a failure even with most premium game currency telvars and gold jewelry .

Priyasekarssk

Vapirko wrote: »

It’s fairly obvious at this point, is it not? Cyrodiil will never see any real fixes. This is it for PvP until the servers go off. ZOS has had SO much time and SO many good suggestions to work off of and they have not made even one meaningful change in Cyrodiil beyond combat changes and most of those are mediocre at best. It’s very safe to say they’re well aware of the issues and have simply decided not to do anything about it.

First populate existing cyrodil. We can talk about DLC later. All running in 1 bars except vivec. Whats meaning of PVP dlc when no one going to buy except few max CP players. Already imperial city and sewers are empty and a failure even with most premium game currency telvars and gold jewelry . Even many who bought imperial DLC are regretting it. Sometimes, I feel what if imperial city and sewers a PVE expansion rather than a PVP. Atleast it wont be in pathetic state as it is now.
PVP requires a lot of new players. New players are mainly used as farming tool in current PVP. In fact imperial city earned only grudges of many new players. There is nothing to enjoy rather than farming game resources. Even with this much incentive PVP population is low. I not even remember last time in battlegrounds.

BrockofPercival

Unfortunately for PvP what is needed is far less lag, far fewer bugs, far less hidden 'features' and far better overall balance to builds and sets.

All of the above is hard to do.

PvE is setup to be able to churn out new stuff.

And that is that. The last patch shows where they are taking ESO. It is what happens to many MMOs with pretty good PvP but that don't quite run well. It is just too difficult to overhaul all that code so the game becomes ever more PvE focused.

Priyasekarssk

BrockofPercival wrote: »

Unfortunately for PvP what is needed is far less lag, far fewer bugs, far less hidden 'features' and far better overall balance to builds and sets.

All of the above is hard to do.

PvE is setup to be able to churn out new stuff.

And that is that. The last patch shows where they are taking ESO. It is what happens to many MMOs with pretty good PvP but that don't quite run well. It is just too difficult to overhaul all that code so the game becomes ever more PvE focused.

Even if zenimax fixes all or most of PVP bugs , PVP will still be empty. No new players coming to PVP. No one going to buy anything related to PVP except few PVP players. Zenimax itself has low incentive to fix these bugs, provided PVP population is low. In fact PVP is literally a headache for zenimax for constant re-balancing , when compared to PVP population.