Summerset Chapter and future of ESO PvP...

NoMoreChillies

even if ZOS made 100% PVP chapter, would it stop the PVP QQ threads?

magictucktuck

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

even if ZOS made 100% PVP chapter, would it stop the PVP QQ threads?

No, there is always *** people. same goes for PvErs they complain about anything. but having better features for pvps adds to the repeatability for a whole community

Marabornwingrion

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

even if ZOS made 100% PVP chapter, would it stop the PVP QQ threads?

Nope.

They can even make whole game with PvP only, even that won't stop these threads.
But threads like this are on every MMO forum. That's just the nature of MMO. There always be people whining about abilities/classes only because they didn't manage to find a counterplay.

But it doesn't mean that ZOS shouldn't do PvP content to avoid unnecessary "PvP QQ threads" on forums lol.

Tandor

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

even if ZOS made 100% PVP chapter, would it stop the PVP QQ threads?

Not if the PvPers' response to Imperial City is anything to go by. Not proper PvP.

Dueling? Not proper PvP.

Battlegrounds? Not proper PvP.

All things PvPers clamoured long and hard for, and then rejected when they got them.

As for Cyrodiil, reaction to that seems to be split between those who say performance makes it "literally unplayable" and those who complain at the length of the queues to get in. I'm still trying to work that one out!

technohic

Huh. It’s funny because now that you mention it; PVPers do whine a lot. Hard to notice sometimes over all the PVE whiners about PVP balancing

ParaNostram

This really feels like evidence that they've thrown in the towel on giving PvPers anything. Since launch we've gotten Cyrodiil (base game) Imperial City (first paid DLC, also dead content) and Battlegrounds. That's literally it.

Marabornwingrion

@ZOS_BrianWheeler are you still locked in a basement and they won't let you out to work on Cyrodiil imrovements?

@ZOS_RichLambert have you simply forgot to mention on ESO Live about new PvP changes coming with Summerset, or there won't be any?

VelociousLegend

Astrid_V wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler are you still locked in a basement and they won't let you out to work on Cyrodiil imrovements?

@ZOS_RichLambert have you simply forgot to mention on ESO Live about new PvP changes coming with Summerset, or there won't be any?

Now that you mention it, I haven't seen Wheels in a long time. Maybe they have him shackled down next to Mannimarco being tortured for attempting to suggest awesome PvP ideas!

Sendrik

Was also very dissapointed when i was reading trough the expansions features.

I know im not making friends with this statement here....but deep inside,there is a part that still hopes for a complete justice system with enforcers.....
Getting tired of seeing people steal or murder npc,s that i try to protect,im a templar,damn it! :P
Ah,dont mind me,still hard for me to accept that enforcers never made it into the game,and propably never will.


But it would be amazing to have this feature,or a similiar one(vampires vs werewolfs,npc guild vs npc guild...or even player guild battles)in a completely new pvp area.
Pvp that includes the element of surprise and no time limit or big groups,so it just feels like its part of your,,everyday life''.
A pvp area with some towns,a few quests,bards...areas like daggerfall,but with all the pvp features that the pve crowd doesnt want to be part of in their,,pve world''.
We could have this in cyrodil aswell,but then,people will complain that it distracts too much from the faction war.

Bg,s are nothing extraordinary and the war and race for the title of the emperor,feel like a wasted opportunity.
When i started to play,i thought the emperor could actually,,rule'',like,set taxes and give orders or promotions.
This games strenght is(at least thats my personal oppinion),the immersion,the living world,with taverns,bards,voice acting,quests with different endings,first person view...all that.
Would be great if the pvp could use this to its advantage somehow,instead of doing it the old fashioned way:This is your opponent.This is your area.Now fight.

Sevn

Why waste the time and resources on a group that will never be satisfied? Dueling? Doesn't count. BG's? Nope, doesn't count. They revamped IC and towns in cyro, nope those additions simply don't count. It's no wonder they're not wasting anything other than bare minimal maintenance on this group.

No offense to die-hard pvper's, but man isn't there other games that could quench that bloodthirst? I guess I just don't get why you'd choose a pve centric game with tacked on pvp to get your PvP jollies off and then complain when the tacked on portion gets treated as such?

I know Eso touted PvP as a big part of the game at release, no need to bring it up, again, but I'm pretty sure Zos realized that was a mistake and if they didn't they sure got the hint when they brought out the IC dlc lol.

Feanor

Tandor wrote: »

Actually, there is something for PvPers, or at least for those PvPers who didn't buy Morrowind. If they pre-order Summerset they get Morrowind included, and that means they get Battlegrounds.

You must be working in marketing or be a politician. Because these are the two groups that constantly make people believe they’re getting one thing when in reality they’re getting something very different.

So no, Summerset doesn’t add anything to PvP as far as we know. And the lack of improvements for PvP are really disappointing for a lot of regular PvPers.

I understand it is probably much easier to just do some new PvE content as that is just some art work and some scripted routines. There have been many good ideas from the PvP community how to improve PvP. Sadly there isn’t any communication with the community either. It’s frustrating on a whole if you’re dedicated.

fastolfv_ESO

every time pvp players ask for something in a major update a pve carebear comes screeching in going on about how this isnt a pvp game, and for the millionth time i have to point out it was marketed and sold as a pvp game with a huge pvp community and 0 trials at release so lets just get this out of the way now. We got CU beta with a completed game on july 4th so if zenimax wants to keep cyro alive you better bet they have some sort of gimmick at the ready for mid summer to keep players here and not just another zone to lvl up those alts so many have that dont need any more lvling

red_emu

PvP'ers will get more Nerfs of course! What did you expect?

Sevn

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

every time pvp players ask for something in a major update a pve carebear comes screeching in going on about how this isnt a pvp game, and for the millionth time i have to point out it was marketed and sold as a pvp game with a huge pvp community and 0 trials at release so lets just get this out of the way now. We got CU beta with a completed game on july 4th so if zenimax wants to keep cyro alive you better bet they have some sort of gimmick at the ready for mid summer to keep players here and not just another zone to lvl up those alts so many have that dont need any more lvling

Yes, it was marketed as such, a foolish mistake Zos has since rectified. Something that is brought up a million times whenever some carebear pvper brings it up.

KingYogi415

Trashgrounds was a band-aid fix to a huge problem.

Feanor

Sevn wrote: »

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

every time pvp players ask for something in a major update a pve carebear comes screeching in going on about how this isnt a pvp game, and for the millionth time i have to point out it was marketed and sold as a pvp game with a huge pvp community and 0 trials at release so lets just get this out of the way now. We got CU beta with a completed game on july 4th so if zenimax wants to keep cyro alive you better bet they have some sort of gimmick at the ready for mid summer to keep players here and not just another zone to lvl up those alts so many have that dont need any more lvling

Yes, it was marketed as such, a foolish mistake Zos has since rectified. Something that is brought up a million times whenever some carebear pvper brings it up.

Rectified? How so? PvP is still a part of this game. Even if you don’t like it.

pieratsos

Sevn wrote: »

Why waste the time and resources on a group that will never be satisfied? Dueling? Doesn't count. BG's? Nope, doesn't count. They revamped IC and towns in cyro, nope those additions simply don't count. It's no wonder they're not wasting anything other than bare minimal maintenance on this group.

No offense to die-hard pvper's, but man isn't there other games that could quench that bloodthirst? I guess I just don't get why you'd choose a pve centric game with tacked on pvp to get your PvP jollies off and then complain when the tacked on portion gets treated as such?

I know Eso touted PvP as a big part of the game at release, no need to bring it up, again, but I'm pretty sure Zos realized that was a mistake and if they didn't they sure got the hint when they brought out the IC dlc lol.

They revamped IC and towns by throwing a couple of flags in them? Did you actually just say that? Yeah, so much work mate. It must have been very exhausting, time consuming and huge resource waste to put one flag in every district. Complete revamp indeed. You cant even recognise IC after that revamp. Lmao. You should really stop talking about things you have no idea about.

The real question is what exactly is ur problem with PVP players asking for something more than bare minimal and ur blood starts boiling whenever you see a PVP related thread? Is this hate just coming up natural to you?

Sevn

Feanor wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

every time pvp players ask for something in a major update a pve carebear comes screeching in going on about how this isnt a pvp game, and for the millionth time i have to point out it was marketed and sold as a pvp game with a huge pvp community and 0 trials at release so lets just get this out of the way now. We got CU beta with a completed game on july 4th so if zenimax wants to keep cyro alive you better bet they have some sort of gimmick at the ready for mid summer to keep players here and not just another zone to lvl up those alts so many have that dont need any more lvling

Yes, it was marketed as such, a foolish mistake Zos has since rectified. Something that is brought up a million times whenever some carebear pvper brings it up.

Rectified? How so? PvP is still a part of this game. Even if you don’t like it.

Where have you seen a post from me, like ever, stating I don't like pvp?

I spend 40% of my time pvping and I have zero complaints about how PvP is treated in this game.

hmsdragonfly

magictucktuck wrote: »

maybe next DLc will be a full on PvP DLC? that would make me happy

Full PvP DLC focused on overhauling Cyrodiil...

A man can dream.

Animus-ESO

Sevn wrote: »

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

every time pvp players ask for something in a major update a pve carebear comes screeching in going on about how this isnt a pvp game, and for the millionth time i have to point out it was marketed and sold as a pvp game with a huge pvp community and 0 trials at release so lets just get this out of the way now. We got CU beta with a completed game on july 4th so if zenimax wants to keep cyro alive you better bet they have some sort of gimmick at the ready for mid summer to keep players here and not just another zone to lvl up those alts so many have that dont need any more lvling

Yes, it was marketed as such, a foolish mistake Zos has since rectified. Something that is brought up a million times whenever some carebear pvper brings it up.

This entire game is based around an alliance war. Did you not watch the opening cinematic? Some people don't like fighting AI literally programmed to lose to you with repetitive actions and highly predictable attacks. A player actually learns and desires to kill you. "care bear pvper" rofl. You are a trip.

Vanya

While not fond off PVP in general I respect the wishes of PVP players as well, but if you ask me personally would I have Mediocre PVP&PVE or Great PVE experience with Average PVP, I'd pick the PVE always, because you cannot invest so many resources , time and energy to both. Tis impossible.

I believe and from my experience Developers have to choose. Primary focus shall always be PVE. You do not need to be a genius to comprehend. Not a single MMO over has managed to achieve the both marvellous outstanding achievement in both points/factors, at least from my point of observation.

pieratsos

Vanyalicious wrote: »

While not fond off PVP in general I respect the wishes of PVP players as well, but if you ask me personally would I have Mediocre PVP&PVE or Great PVE experience with Average PVP, I'd pick the PVE always, because you cannot invest so many resources , time and energy to both. Tis impossible.

I believe and from my experience Developers have to choose. Primary focus shall always be PVE. You do not need to be a genius to comprehend. Not a single MMO over has managed to achieve the both marvellous outstanding achievement in both points/factors, at least from my point of observation.

Who said anything about making PVP the primary focus of the game? We just want them to actually acknowledge that it exists and do something about it for once that isnt just adding another stupid meaningless flag.

Shad0wfire99

Astrid_V wrote: »

magictucktuck wrote: »

maybe next DLc will be a full on PvP DLC? that would make me happy

The only PvP-based DLC they ever made was Imperial City. After that they never mentioned about making another one DLC purely for PvP. So my hope was to get new PvP activities with a Chapter, like we've got with Morrowind.

PvP'ers hated Imperial City because it had PvE in it. PvE'ers hated it because it had PvP in it. I wouldn't expect that type of DLC to be released again.

Menelaos

Astrid_V wrote: »

Nothing for PvP.

Untrue. There will be a new combat oriented skill line so you can stay competitive after bashing through the pay wall. And jewels affect PVP as well.

And yes, I am a tad cynical.

Include the Maomer as a player race and make Altmer-Maomer exclusive PVP sea battle fights. That'd be awesome.

Vanya

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

even if ZOS made 100% PVP chapter, would it stop the PVP QQ threads?

The answer is Nay. Whatever way you fashion it. Inevitably they shall always exist. Impossible to please entire MMO Player-base. 100% PVE or 100% PVE matters not.

Beardimus

I'm not interested in Summerset at all. I only got Morrowind for BattleGrounds, didn't enjoy the zone at all so haven't done it. Am pact loyal so no interest in an AD zone focus.

There's no reason for me to get Summerset except FOMO on jewelry crafting however my setup is all sorted so no immediate need for that.

HOWEVER. what can they do for BG. We have a load of Maps now already and they come each DLC. We can't have Pop spread further in PVP open world.

A revamp / bug fix, new incentives for Imp City etc etc would be welcome BUT that would all be base game. I would not want a new pvP area and pop spread. BUT events in Cyro / reasons to explore more and battle all over the map would be good. Like a new type of Dolmen or timed events like convoys or something.

Sevn

jasonthorpeb14_ESO wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

every time pvp players ask for something in a major update a pve carebear comes screeching in going on about how this isnt a pvp game, and for the millionth time i have to point out it was marketed and sold as a pvp game with a huge pvp community and 0 trials at release so lets just get this out of the way now. We got CU beta with a completed game on july 4th so if zenimax wants to keep cyro alive you better bet they have some sort of gimmick at the ready for mid summer to keep players here and not just another zone to lvl up those alts so many have that dont need any more lvling

Yes, it was marketed as such, a foolish mistake Zos has since rectified. Something that is brought up a million times whenever some carebear pvper brings it up.

This entire game is based around an alliance war. Did you not watch the opening cinematic? Some people don't like fighting AI literally programmed to lose to you with repetitive actions and highly predictable attacks. A player actually learns and desires to kill you. "care bear pvper" rofl. You are a trip.

Could have fool me. I thought the entire game was centered around stopping the end of the world.

Not fond of the carebear are you? Considering how special most diehards think they are, perhaps snowflakes is more fitting?

killimandrosb16_ESO

Vanyalicious wrote: »

While not fond off PVP in general I respect the wishes of PVP players as well, but if you ask me personally would I have Mediocre PVP&PVE or Great PVE experience with Average PVP, I'd pick the PVE always, because you cannot invest so many resources , time and energy to both. Tis impossible.

I believe and from my experience Developers have to choose. Primary focus shall always be PVE. You do not need to be a genius to comprehend. Not a single MMO over has managed to achieve the both marvellous outstanding achievement in both points/factors, at least from my point of observation.

I concur;
-Eve online, GW2, WARhammer, DaoC are examples of games you deny exist/existed. The upcoming Camelot Unchained will focus primarly in pvp, and I have reasons to believe eso will feel its impact a lot when it releases if nothing happens. Future for mmo is ALSO catering to a pvp audience (hint twitc.tv), its no fun, and pardon me but its the truth, watching a pve warband fight Molag's Balls live.

If you are an avid PvE'er and genuinely hate PvP, you dont have to do cyrodiil, stay away from it and your gaming experience will be the same. But without Cyrodiil at all, I am pretty sure a lot of players will leave eso, both hardcore pvp'ers and very casual ones. Even the most casual ones like to have the opportunity to do some pvp, in pvp lakes. Now these lakes havent had an overhaul since I entered in september 2014. Thats a lot of time to come up with something more than right now (and I dont mention BG's because I play Cyrodiil). Theres litteraly thousands idead on these forums. Some of them are really good, some less so. ZOS should start by making a solid timeline for the pvp players first of all. What do they want to introduce in the future. What would they like to try. Right now all of us doing PvP feels Cyrodiil is shelved. Theres nothing more to offer, and we should move on as soon as possible.

Captain8504

coop500 wrote: »

What would you guys want?

It would be nice to have different maps for different servers...it gets quiet old raiding the same keeps over and over lol

Sevn

I REALLY hope CU is good, maybe the forums will be a touch more than nerf this nerf that. Wasn't Conan something suppose to kill eso? How's bdo? Isn't that a PvP centric game for pc? Combat looks fast and fluid.