Thanks ZOS for all the free crown crates

Robvenom

After the 3 from this weekend and the 3 from the new level up rewards, I am now 100% certain I will never spend any money on those awful, awful crown crates.

So thank you for letting me know just how *** they are.

Turelus

If you got a legendary apex reward would you feel they're less bad?

DieAlteHexe

Grouchy. Free stuff and still grouses.

Voxicity

500k says you end up buying some

Turelus

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Grouchy. Free stuff and still grouses.

Indeed. I mean with the people saying "I will never buy crates after this" I have to wonder if they were ever going to buy them any way, it's not like crates are new they've been around for a year now.

Sixty5

I like the crown crates.

Cosmetics are nice, but I typically only buy the few that I want, so it is nice to get some random ones that I wouldn't have otherwise grabbed. Plus having previous limited offers come back is also pretty nice.

Plus my Wild Hunt Senche mount is still my favourite to this day.

Elwendryll

Turelus wrote: »

If you got a legendary apex reward would you feel they're less bad?

I got a fire atronach bear in my free fire crates. So I feel like I don't need to buy any crate since I already got something.
I didn't have a chance to open the new ones yet.
Crown Crates are very nice, as long as you don't expect something from them... And maybe, in several years, I'll be able to buy an awesome reward from the gems of my free crates!

As long as you don't pay for it, it's nice.

Xeven

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being grouchy. We were promised, all of us, no micro transactions. We were promised a subscription only business model. We were told the game will not be F2P.

We were all lied to and these free crates are an ugly reminder. ZO$ isn't in the business of selling a balanced quality game anymore. They sell digital swag and run an online casino.

It's disgusting.

DieAlteHexe

Xeven wrote: »

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being grouchy. We were promised, all of us, no micro transactions. We were promised a subscription only business model. We were told the game will not be F2P.

We were all lied to and these free crates are an ugly reminder. ZO$ isn't in the business of selling a balanced quality game anymore. They sell digital swag and run an online casino.

It's disgusting.

And yet, you can easily ignore ALL of that and play the game just fine.

Turelus

Elwendryll wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

If you got a legendary apex reward would you feel they're less bad?

I got a fire atronach bear in my free fire crates. So I feel like I don't need to buy any crate since I already got something.
I didn't have a chance to open the new ones yet.
Crown Crates are very nice, as long as you don't expect something from them... And maybe, in several years, I'll be able to buy an awesome reward from the gems of my free crates!

As long as you don't pay for it, it's nice.

I think that's the key line. Everyone seems to go into these crates hyping up for the apex rewards. We have actual statistics which show you how bad your chances of that are, yet every time people get their basics from their free crates and then complain they didn't get the perfect drops.

Yakidafi

I was online for 1 day on this event and got 3 crates, I', quite happy yes, thanks for that, thought I hadto be online for 3 days

KiraTsukasa

Turelus wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Grouchy. Free stuff and still grouses.

Indeed. I mean with the people saying "I will never buy crates after this" I have to wonder if they were ever going to buy them any way, it's not like crates are new they've been around for a year now.

Free or not, it's rather discouraging to open three of them and get a load of potions and repair crates. I understand that RNG is RNG, but if the drop rates are THAT bad, it's not an encouragement to buy more. Think about it, would you rather spend a little bit more straight up buying the mount or costume that you want, or are you content spending less money, but with a high chance of getting things you'll never use? "But it's free stuff!" No, it's not. It's a preview of what's to come, and I for one don't find this worth my money.

zyk

Turelus wrote: »

If you got a legendary apex reward would you feel they're less bad?

Actually, this happened to me a few months ago and I did not feel they were less bad.

I'll use the things I get from free crates, but I don't value them like I would most items in an RPG because there's nothing gratifying associated with them other than a slot machine mechanic.

For example, I can look at all the items I've purchased with gold in ESO and feel good about my merchant activities. Many of my monster helms have a story attached to them; a good night with friends; an embarrassing death to lava, and so on. The same goes for a lot of my other gear. My early vMA weapons came from a lot of blood, sweat and tears. Well, actually, just sweat. but still, it was sweet to get my first.

This is a reason why I play MMOs! That's what makes collecting items is fun: The experiences one has obtaining them. Crate items are meaningless. If anything, I hear a lot of stories of buyer's remorse.

I was okay with the Crown Store before exclusive $150 houses and crates. They've gone too far. I consider this business model toxic and antithetic to core concepts of games and PC gaming culture. It's starting to feel like an Elder Scrolls doll and action figure store with gaming on the side.

Elwendryll

Turelus wrote: »

Elwendryll wrote: »

Crown Crates are very nice, as long as you don't expect something from them...

I think that's the key line.

It was

The concept of Crown Crates is really brilliant from the marketing point of view.
No impact on the non-buyers whatsoever, yet, a very strong incentive to buy them, let's be honest, the rewards are really really nice, I wouldn't turn down the peryite statue...

It's a very nice bonus for those who don't buy them and just benefit from the free ones, as there are some nice cosmetics with decent loot chances and all the consumables can be turned into gems. However, I can understand that it can be really frustrating if you spent money on them with expectations, but, anyway, the loot chances are the same in the free ones... And about expecting an Apex reward from a free crate... Well, I mean... I truly hope I'll get this statue I was talking about, but I surely don't expect getting one, why would I put myself in a situation that could potentially hurt me?

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Elwendryll wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Elwendryll wrote: »

Crown Crates are very nice, as long as you don't expect something from them...

I think that's the key line.

It was

The concept of Crown Crates is really brilliant from the marketing point of view.
No impact on the non-buyers whatsoever, yet, a very strong incentive to buy them, let's be honest, the rewards are really really nice, I wouldn't turn down the peryite statue...

It's a very nice bonus for those who don't buy them and just benefit from the free ones, as there are some nice cosmetics with decent loot chances and all the consumables can be turned into gems. However, I can understand that it can be really frustrating if you spent money on them with expectations, but, anyway, the loot chances are the same in the free ones... And about expecting an Apex reward from a free crate... Well, I mean... I truly hope I'll get this statue I was talking about, but I surely don't expect getting one, why would I put myself in a situation that could potentially hurt me?

I wouldn’t say no impact on the non-buyer. Because without them all those very nice items would be in the store for direct purchase. And I would buy some of it. And I would feel good. As it is, I look at the crates and I am annoyed because as long as they are locked in the crates I will never get them. The cost of gambling for what I want is far to high. And even worse when you consider the nicer mounts I can no longer gem my way into.

So yes it does have an impact on me even though I am a non-buyer of crates, because it changes the way I feel about the game and it’s marketing practices.

Elwendryll

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

So yes it does have an impact on me even though I am a non-buyer of crates, because it changes the way I feel about the game and it’s marketing practices.

I understand, and I'm sorry for you about that. I personally don't mind this kind of marketing practices, as I'm happy when a company I like is commercially successful... But, yes, that's a valid point, I would personally be willing to spend money on some of the rewards if it was directly in the store, however, I see them as items that could also simply not exist, rather than items that could be in the store. Without these crates, their rewards wouldn't have been conceived in the first place, that's how I see them, because seeing them this way don't cause me any dissatisfaction.

GoonyGoat

Well, I am legit thankful - free stuff (even if it's mostly gems) is always welcome

LadyAstrum

Turelus wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Grouchy. Free stuff and still grouses.

Indeed. I mean with the people saying "I will never buy crates after this" I have to wonder if they were ever going to buy them any way, it's not like crates are new they've been around for a year now.

They're not doing it to be nice, it's a marketing ploy. Give em' free crates and try to suck em' in, but the problem is the odds seem so low they seem less appealing, not more.

I appreciate the taster, but I'm not going to pretend it's anything more than ZoS hoping it'll entice people to buy them.

Why do people act like big companies are our friends? They're here to make money.

DieAlteHexe

LadyAstrum wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Grouchy. Free stuff and still grouses.

Indeed. I mean with the people saying "I will never buy crates after this" I have to wonder if they were ever going to buy them any way, it's not like crates are new they've been around for a year now.

They're not doing it to be nice, it's a marketing ploy. Give em' free crates and try to suck em' in, but the problem is the odds seem so low they seem less appealing, not more.

I appreciate the taster, but I'm not going to pretend it's anything more than ZoS hoping it'll entice people to buy them.

Why do people act like big companies are our friends? They're here to make money.

That's quite true, they are here to make money which is why I'm often bemused when people have hissy fits and expect otherwise. It's a business and offering freebies to attract customers is as old as, well, business.

Way I see it? Enjoy the freebies and go back to ignoring the Crown Store.

Eyesinthedrk

The benefit of free crates is the quarterly reminder why you shouldn’t spend money on crates.

If they ever decided to put the mounts, costumes, and motif sets in the crown store, I might actually buy quite a few of them.

Jade1986

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Grouchy. Free stuff and still grouses.

I would be upset about getting a turd in a box whether I paid for it or not. xD

DieAlteHexe

Jade1986 wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Grouchy. Free stuff and still grouses.

I would be upset about getting a turd in a box whether I paid for it or not. xD

Ah well, since no one actually got a "turd", I guess that's moot.

Turelus

LadyAstrum wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Grouchy. Free stuff and still grouses.

Indeed. I mean with the people saying "I will never buy crates after this" I have to wonder if they were ever going to buy them any way, it's not like crates are new they've been around for a year now.

They're not doing it to be nice, it's a marketing ploy. Give em' free crates and try to suck em' in, but the problem is the odds seem so low they seem less appealing, not more.

I appreciate the taster, but I'm not going to pretend it's anything more than ZoS hoping it'll entice people to buy them.

Why do people act like big companies are our friends? They're here to make money.

I never said they were doing it to be nice, in fact everything you said is what I've said in other threads before. We all know that marketing is a big part of this but they're still giving things away for free then getting flack because people didn't get what they wanted.

TequilaFire

I dunno free crates have been good to me several mounts, pets and even a resplendent sweetroll.
So maybe those that complain should stop because the rng god checks his list of whose been naughty and nice!

Zinaroth

Turelus wrote: »

If you got a legendary apex reward would you feel they're less bad?

Whatever gets put in those boxes should instead have been obtainable in the game through various feats.
Instead of a cash shop revenue they should have stuck with the subscription fee - this would have overall been better for the health of the game.

I know you've become a Community Ambassador and as such are supposed to be constructive and objective to most things on these forums but crown crates are bad for the game no matter how lucky you are with the drops - there's no point being condescending about it and attribute his claim to him just having bad luck.

Cadbury

Zinaroth wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

If you got a legendary apex reward would you feel they're less bad?

Whatever gets put in those boxes should instead have been obtainable in the game through various feats.
Instead of a cash shop revenue they should have stuck with the subscription fee - this would have overall been better for the health of the game.

I know you've become a Community Ambassador and as such are supposed to be constructive and objective to most things on these forums but crown crates are bad for the game no matter how lucky you are with the drops - there's no point being condescending about it and attribute his claim to him just having bad luck.

But people are basically complaining about the freebies they got.

Free crates

kojou

I like free stuff... The tattoo I got looks good.

Sure I wanted the sench with the red glowing stuff all over it, but I have no expectation of getting it.

LadyAstrum

TequilaFire wrote: »

I dunno free crates have been good to me several mounts, pets and even a resplendent sweetroll.
So maybe those that complain should stop because the rng god checks his list of whose been naughty and nice!

Gotcha! We all need to pray harder.

jazsper77

The underlying problem with the free crates is it's designed to get you to (Gamble)

It's exactly what PHILLIP MORRIS used to do back in the day in Urban areas. Leaving tubs of free singles on the counter tops in stores to hook people on smoking.

Also very similar to the casinos free slot play gimmicks.

Players just need to show self control.

My point is don't thank them for designing a marketing strategy to get you hooked on gambling.
Did cancer patients thank the tobacco companies for cancer.

DieAlteHexe

Cadbury wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

If you got a legendary apex reward would you feel they're less bad?

Whatever gets put in those boxes should instead have been obtainable in the game through various feats.
Instead of a cash shop revenue they should have stuck with the subscription fee - this would have overall been better for the health of the game.

I know you've become a Community Ambassador and as such are supposed to be constructive and objective to most things on these forums but crown crates are bad for the game no matter how lucky you are with the drops - there's no point being condescending about it and attribute his claim to him just having bad luck.

But people are basically complaining about the freebies they got.

Free crates

I know, that's the bemusing bit. It seems as though they are afraid that the gift of the freebies will suddenly overcome their desire to have nothing to do with buying crates. Were I of the frame of mind that crates were the epitome of evil, I'd simply not accept them.

LadyAstrum

Cadbury wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

If you got a legendary apex reward would you feel they're less bad?

Whatever gets put in those boxes should instead have been obtainable in the game through various feats.
Instead of a cash shop revenue they should have stuck with the subscription fee - this would have overall been better for the health of the game.

I know you've become a Community Ambassador and as such are supposed to be constructive and objective to most things on these forums but crown crates are bad for the game no matter how lucky you are with the drops - there's no point being condescending about it and attribute his claim to him just having bad luck.

But people are basically complaining about the freebies they got.

Free crates

Because they suck. If someone gave you a free sample of cake, but it tasted like mouldy cheese, would you pretend it tasted nice, or be honest about why you wouldn't actually buy some?