Thanks ZOS for all the free crown crates

Glockcoma725

When does the crown store update? Tomorrow? I want that Scholar personality. We neeeeedzzezzezz the preciousssssss

And yes, thanks ZOS. Even though the crates didn't have the best RNG i will never be mad at free crown gems.

boombazookajd

Xeven wrote: »

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being grouchy. We were promised, all of us, no micro transactions. We were promised a subscription only business model. We were told the game will not be F2P.

We were all lied to and these free crates are an ugly reminder. ZO$ isn't in the business of selling a balanced quality game anymore. They sell digital swag and run an online casino.

It's disgusting.

Things change dude. Why does everyone keep bringing up what ZOS said a while back. The gaming world changes and so too the game.

Adapt already. The game is fine. Folks on console like myself aren't going to pay en masse for even a quality game when we already pay internet and XB live fees.

I think people like this VASTLY overestimate the amount of crates people buy. Y'all need to come off those high horses of yours, as if you've never done something to gain.

ZOS is trying to make money. If you don't want the crate, don't buy them.

SorataArisugawa

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

SorataArisugawa wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Grouchy. Free stuff and still grouses.

They don't give it for you for free.. it is a promotion... they want to make them interesting to you, so you buy them.
Stop of being so illusional, they win far more than they "lose" with this "gift"!

They do give it to you for free and you're right, it's, as they plainly stated, a "taste" of what is to come. That does not negate these crates being free. Of course they want folks to buy them. I swear, it's as if people don't have willpower any more. "OMG OMG, they waved crates in my face, I cannot control myself and now I have to buy them!!11!!".

And the word you meant is "delusional", more specifically "deluded". I'm not, I just don't fear myself breaking down and buying something I don't want to buy.

The problem is: they using all kinds of psychological trickery to change the will of you and others. Its called marketing and its purpose is to create a desire, bolt stated: to change your mind. The "free" "gifts" are just an example. Good that it don't work on you in this case. But there are a lots of cases it works on you in other departments, I am sure. But in this, you paying without gambling in the first place.

(as for the "illusional", I am sorry. I am no english native speaker )

LadyAstrum

boombazookajd wrote: »

These should be allowed to be traded, like cards. If you have a bear mount and I have a wolf mount, we can trade.

Also agree with this, in SWTOR lootbox items can even be sold (which meant I actually purchased lots of boxes and made some in-game currency). I'd settle for straight-up trading.

DieAlteHexe

SorataArisugawa wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

SorataArisugawa wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

Grouchy. Free stuff and still grouses.

They don't give it for you for free.. it is a promotion... they want to make them interesting to you, so you buy them.
Stop of being so illusional, they win far more than they "lose" with this "gift"!

They do give it to you for free and you're right, it's, as they plainly stated, a "taste" of what is to come. That does not negate these crates being free. Of course they want folks to buy them. I swear, it's as if people don't have willpower any more. "OMG OMG, they waved crates in my face, I cannot control myself and now I have to buy them!!11!!".

And the word you meant is "delusional", more specifically "deluded". I'm not, I just don't fear myself breaking down and buying something I don't want to buy.

The problem is: they using all kinds of psychological trickery to change the will of you and others. Its called marketing and its purpose is to create a desire, bolt stated: to change your mind. The "free" "gifts" are just an example. Good that it don't work on you in this case. But there are a lots of cases it works on you in other departments, I am sure. But in this, you paying without gambling in the first place.

(as for the "illusional", I am sorry. I am no english native speaker )

No need to be sorry. I screw up in German all the time and I appreciate being corrected when I do. I hope you took it as I meant it. If not, I apologise.

This "trickery" exists in any sales situation; grocery, mall, auto, you name it. It's all about getting consumers' attention, give them a preview or "taste" in the hopes that they will buy. Yes, of course it's psychological. And I am HIGHLY resistant to it because I don't like being messed with and I see it for what it is, a tool used by sellers to attract buyers. So, no, it doesn't work on me. Period. If I want to buy something, I'll buy it. If I don't, no fluff is going to break down my resistance.

Go ahead, give me free stuff. Won't entice me if I'm not interested in the product. I'll just take my freebie and say "thanks"!

Drachenfier

Free crates are free. I didn't get anything good, but they were still free, so I'm not complaining.

boombazookajd

SorataArisugawa wrote: »

The problem is: they using all kinds of psychological trickery to change the will of you and others. Its called marketing and its purpose is to create a desire, bolt stated: to change your mind. The "free" "gifts" are just an example. Good that it don't work on you in this case. But there are a lots of cases it works on you in other departments, I am sure. But in this, you paying without gambling in the first place.

(as for the "illusional", I am sorry. I am no english native speaker )

This is the line of thinking that drives me effing nuts. Like I, or anyone else, needs some Big Brother to protect us from a few silly crates. Comparing these and the game to a casino, as if they generate a reasonable fraction of what a casino does.

Casinos, and the gambling industry itself, goes to INSANE lengths to keep you gambling. No windows, no clocks and a LONG list of others. Look, if you want to gamble, then GAMBLE! Are you going to bankrupt your family because you want an imaginary flaming bear? Well then that's your own grown fault.

If you can't handle getting three free crates, and that makes you break down and blow an entire paycheck on an imaginary flaming horse, well...then you aren't a well adjusted adult and that's not our problem. Your guardian should keep your wallet locked up, especially since if you can't handle three free crates, you probably can't go buy anything from a gas station, because you know

SCRATCH OFF's.

DieAlteHexe

LadyAstrum wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

These should be allowed to be traded, like cards. If you have a bear mount and I have a wolf mount, we can trade.

Also agree with this, in SWTOR lootbox items can even be sold (which meant I actually purchased lots of boxes and made some in-game currency). I'd settle for straight-up trading.

Boy oh boy were there some hefty prices on those boxes too! I remember muddling through the sales listings and just laughing that folk were cheerfully paying those prices. Still, if it's what they want, more power to 'em.

But, trade/sell, all for it. I think that would be great. Also likely fewer frustrated people (he got my wolf! I got his bear!).

lucky_Sage

i could get the uglyiest mount from accomplishing something and use it over the prettiest mount that I got from the crates

DieAlteHexe

lucky_Sage wrote: »

i could get the uglyiest mount from accomplishing something and use it over the prettiest mount that I got from the crates

Yeah, the stuff earned always has more meaning, game or RL. Still, options...

Shadowfell

I can now float and frost comes out my eyes! Best day ever....

Tasear

I don't understand the aversion and ungratefulness.

LadyAstrum

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

These should be allowed to be traded, like cards. If you have a bear mount and I have a wolf mount, we can trade.

Also agree with this, in SWTOR lootbox items can even be sold (which meant I actually purchased lots of boxes and made some in-game currency). I'd settle for straight-up trading.

Boy oh boy were there some hefty prices on those boxes too! I remember muddling through the sales listings and just laughing that folk were cheerfully paying those prices. Still, if it's what they want, more power to 'em.

But, trade/sell, all for it. I think that would be great. Also likely fewer frustrated people (he got my wolf! I got his bear!).

I'm not proud to say I had a bit of a problem with those boxes. Still, they provided a little entertainment. For some reason, these crown crates haven't hooked me in the same way. My guess is all the filler items, such as potions.

DieAlteHexe

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

These should be allowed to be traded, like cards. If you have a bear mount and I have a wolf mount, we can trade.

Also agree with this, in SWTOR lootbox items can even be sold (which meant I actually purchased lots of boxes and made some in-game currency). I'd settle for straight-up trading.

Boy oh boy were there some hefty prices on those boxes too! I remember muddling through the sales listings and just laughing that folk were cheerfully paying those prices. Still, if it's what they want, more power to 'em.

But, trade/sell, all for it. I think that would be great. Also likely fewer frustrated people (he got my wolf! I got his bear!).

I'm not proud to say I had a bit of a problem with those boxes. Still, they provided a little entertainment. For some reason, these crown crates haven't hooked me in the same way. My guess is all the filler items, such as potions.

Or perhaps you realised the pitfall of the boxes/crates. I went a bit nuts when I first encountered this sort of thing (it was in SWTOR actually). It was fun but I decided that I would rather spend my RL money on other things. Here? Sometimes I buy a "lot" (forget the pricing breakdown) of crates when they first come out just for the hell of it. Not sure whether I will this time or not. I have had some pretty good luck with crates but they don't call to me particularly.

Cpt_Teemo

I'm just kind of upset how bad the zombie skin was, really wish we could return it for gems

ak_pvp

I didn't get the best stuff, but I got like 40 free gems. No complaints here.

ak_pvp

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

I'm just kind of upset how bad the zombie skin was, really wish we could return it for gems

I wish we could return any non wanted things for gems. I have two costumes that are literally the same when dyed, just different base dyes.

FinneganFroth

Got me a Peryite statue. Looks very cool, though I don't think I would've gotten it any other way.

MadLarkin

MyKillv2.0 wrote: »

Robvenom wrote: »

After the 3 from this weekend and the 3 from the new level up rewards, I am now 100% certain I will never spend any money on those awful, awful crown crates.

So thank you for letting me know just how *** they are.

Salty are we?

How dare you Zo$ not give me what I want for free, you greedy company!

Voxicity wrote: »

500k says you end up buying some

This.

Why is it that every time someone complains about getting screwed by a system that is designed to screw them, someone else claims that we want things for free? How about directly buy-able from the crown store? I can't believe the notion of wanting to know what we're going to get for our money is looked down upon.

As I've said many, many times. What exactly about ESO is free anyway? Base cost, DLC, subscription, chapters, crown crates, and a store with (expensive) cosmetics, account services, mounts, and time-limited items (including $100+ homes). Every new feature of the game, even the "free" ones, just give a little taste of what is possible and then locks the rest behind a paywall. What amount of money are people supposed to pay before they get the entire (possible) game experience? ZOS refuses to set an upper limit, and that's ambitious, but yes, greedy. Every new feature also comes with a new way to spend money. The addition of crates, chapters, and the outfit system makes that glaringly obvious to me.

LadyAstrum

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

These should be allowed to be traded, like cards. If you have a bear mount and I have a wolf mount, we can trade.

Also agree with this, in SWTOR lootbox items can even be sold (which meant I actually purchased lots of boxes and made some in-game currency). I'd settle for straight-up trading.

Boy oh boy were there some hefty prices on those boxes too! I remember muddling through the sales listings and just laughing that folk were cheerfully paying those prices. Still, if it's what they want, more power to 'em.

But, trade/sell, all for it. I think that would be great. Also likely fewer frustrated people (he got my wolf! I got his bear!).

I'm not proud to say I had a bit of a problem with those boxes. Still, they provided a little entertainment. For some reason, these crown crates haven't hooked me in the same way. My guess is all the filler items, such as potions.

Or perhaps you realised the pitfall of the boxes/crates. I went a bit nuts when I first encountered this sort of thing (it was in SWTOR actually). It was fun but I decided that I would rather spend my RL money on other things. Here? Sometimes I buy a "lot" (forget the pricing breakdown) of crates when they first come out just for the hell of it. Not sure whether I will this time or not. I have had some pretty good luck with crates but they don't call to me particularly.

I'd say so. I guess it's also partially my perception of these crates, with the addition of the gem rewards. It felt like the SWTOR boxes were the main meal, whereas the ESO boxes feel like an appetizer, and the accumulation of gems the main meal.

If I do purchase crown crates I find myself not caring about what they will drop, but how many gems I can collect from the items. So, I guess the crates feel like a gateway to the things I might want, with what feels like an impossibly tiny chance at getting a radiant mount.

But above all, it feels like the stakes are too high...and that inner gambler finds no fun in trying to obtain unreachable goodies (unless I collect gems).

Aurielle

People in dungeons are LOVING the dragon bone summon memento that I got in my free crates, which I make sure to fire off at the end of the final boss fight. Thanks for making me look cool, ZOS.

DieAlteHexe

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

LadyAstrum wrote: »

boombazookajd wrote: »

These should be allowed to be traded, like cards. If you have a bear mount and I have a wolf mount, we can trade.

Also agree with this, in SWTOR lootbox items can even be sold (which meant I actually purchased lots of boxes and made some in-game currency). I'd settle for straight-up trading.

Boy oh boy were there some hefty prices on those boxes too! I remember muddling through the sales listings and just laughing that folk were cheerfully paying those prices. Still, if it's what they want, more power to 'em.

But, trade/sell, all for it. I think that would be great. Also likely fewer frustrated people (he got my wolf! I got his bear!).

I'm not proud to say I had a bit of a problem with those boxes. Still, they provided a little entertainment. For some reason, these crown crates haven't hooked me in the same way. My guess is all the filler items, such as potions.

Or perhaps you realised the pitfall of the boxes/crates. I went a bit nuts when I first encountered this sort of thing (it was in SWTOR actually). It was fun but I decided that I would rather spend my RL money on other things. Here? Sometimes I buy a "lot" (forget the pricing breakdown) of crates when they first come out just for the hell of it. Not sure whether I will this time or not. I have had some pretty good luck with crates but they don't call to me particularly.

I'd say so. I guess it's also partially my perception of these crates, with the addition of the gem rewards. It felt like the SWTOR boxes were the main meal, whereas the ESO boxes feel like an appetizer, and the accumulation of gems the main meal.

If I do purchase crown crates I find myself not caring about what they will drop, but how many gems I can collect from the items. So, I guess the crates feel like a gateway to the things I might want, with what feels like an impossibly tiny chance at getting a radiant mount.

But above all, it feels like the stakes are too high...and that inner gambler finds no fun in trying to obtain unreachable goodies (unless I collect gems).

It's funny (funny odd, not funny humour) but I think that ESO's crates are better and a better value than SWTOR. I used to hate the high number of weapons and emotes. Couldn't sell the stupid weapons either plus they normally were not even of a type I could use. And duplicates? Well, I prefer how they are dealt with here. Insta-gems.

There are some things in SWTOR I wish ZMax would emulate though (costume, ability to respec just one aspect of a character's look for starters, change hair colour on a whim...).

Maybe the major difference is, I don't care about radiant mounts. I like the small touches, like a hat or a non-combat pet or a costume. Status symbols don't drive me which I suppose makes it less annoying crate-wise. I have some of the status mounts and I just don't use them.

Sure wish we could gift/trade. I'd so rather give/trade them to someone who'd use and appreciate.

Slurg

I just wanted to buy a couple of the items directly.

Instead every “season” they keep giving me things I didn’t want to buy for free and then they give me gems to exchange for more free things I didn’t want to buy.

This saves me a ton of money, because I don’t buy crates and I don’t buy what I want to buy because it isn’t for sale. So I agree, thanks ZOS!

But I don’t think that’s how it is meant to work.

Also you can open a concierge ticket to send a crate gift to another player out of a current crate season. Or at least you could a few months ago- I received one.

heaven13

Elwendryll wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

So yes it does have an impact on me even though I am a non-buyer of crates, because it changes the way I feel about the game and it’s marketing practices.

I understand, and I'm sorry for you about that. I personally don't mind this kind of marketing practices, as I'm happy when a company I like is commercially successful... But, yes, that's a valid point, I would personally be willing to spend money on some of the rewards if it was directly in the store, however, I see them as items that could also simply not exist, rather than items that could be in the store. Without these crates, their rewards wouldn't have been conceived in the first place, that's how I see them, because seeing them this way don't cause me any dissatisfaction.

Except some of the rewards are (or were) conceived and originally available directly. And then pulled to add to the crates. The Cyrod patrician formal gown. Other costumes. Mounts. Pets. They get pulled and later added back as a crate 'reward'. Why? Why not just leave them in the store for direct purchase?

That is a direct impact on any non-crate buyers, particularly those who missed them when they were first available.

MacCait

Totally agree with OP. I'm thankfull for all the free potions and experience scrolls I got, because, well, they were free lol... But it also confirmed what I always thought about crates... just gambling throwing away real money for a bunch of ****. I've never bought a crown crate and never will.

I just think it's such a shame we will not get cool mounts in the crown store anymore as they will be legendary Apex crown crate only.

Oh well... think the answer for me is to just totally forget there is a crown store altogether, becuase between this and the ridiculous over pricing of homestead products, there is nothing there that is reasonable

ADarklore

It's amusing to hear, "if they only would have left it subscription, we wouldn't have this problem" when in FACT, the reason they went B2P and dropped subscription was BECAUSE it wasn't successful! Armchair quarterbacks always think they know everything, but only ZOS has the financial figures, and based upon those, decided they couldn't succeed with forced subscriptions. Plus, this business model, as much as people complain about it, are HIGHLY successful and generate a TON more revenue than subscription only could have ever done. Further, those who forgo Crown Crates and 'would have otherwise purchased in Crown Store'- your purchases are completely dwarfed by what they make in Crate sales. Just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean it's not highly successful for the company, and that's why they're doing it, for THEIR success and their shareholders, not for the players.

MacCait

ADarklore wrote: »

It's amusing to hear, "if they only would have left it subscription, we wouldn't have this problem" when in FACT, the reason they went B2P and dropped subscription was BECAUSE it wasn't successful! Armchair quarterbacks always think they know everything, but only ZOS has the financial figures, and based upon those, decided they couldn't succeed with forced subscriptions. Plus, this business model, as much as people complain about it, are HIGHLY successful and generate a TON more revenue than subscription only could have ever done. Further, those who forgo Crown Crates and 'would have otherwise purchased in Crown Store'- your purchases are completely dwarfed by what they make in Crate sales. Just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean it's not highly successful for the company, and that's why they're doing it, for THEIR success and their shareholders, not for the players.

I think you've just overstated the obvious and are completly missing the point of these posts. I don't think anyone is suggesting that this isn't making them more money, or that anyone is suggesting that it is not successful for the company just because many players do not like this busines model. It's pretty obvious they are doing it for their profit, success, and shareholders and not for the players.

Howver, that doesn't mean to say it isn't greed!

Players buy the game, enjoy the game, and many pay a subscription too. These same players also pay for chapters, and many even buy the dlc even though they subscribe. The idea of the crown store offering players things they may wish to buy was initially a good one... but over time the prices for these digital cosmetic products have increased so that we are now seeing items that cost £70 Uk or $130 US. Gone are the cool mounts that players had the opportunity to purchase as they are now stuck behind extravagant loot crates that offer a tiny percentage of chance to ever win the desired mounts.

Profit is one thing, greed is another. At what point does this escalation of greed stop? Does it actually stop at all? At what point will it become toomuch and actually turn players away to go and play other games?

I think it's not fair to say players against this are armchair quarterbacks... perhaps they are just players who are getting sick of the greed and believe a game should offer fairer prices and opportunities to purchase cosmetic products, so that it is not just aimed at the seriously wealthy.