Alchemy Needs a overhaul.( ZOs must read)

Priyasekarssk

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

I would love if plant growing for your house were a thing

That would make up for the low rate of compo I get against what I use

It's not that bad but could use a boost

Agree adding some pots, garden to your house would be nice.
(Like im skyrim heartfire)
Maybe comebine the grwoing rate with time spent ingame, and exp/ ap gain, to prevent afk farming
Add a cap per house depending on the size

Anotherone773

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

I am not sure how other thinks. Alchemy plays vital role in ESO. Currently resource nodes provides only less . Many of the times resource nodes for alchemy is always empty unless its DLC zone. We have to deal with bots problem as well for alchemy resource colletion. I am not sure ZOs able to fix it. Provided we dont have hirelings for alchemy, alchemy ingredients are skyrocket costs. Provsioning lasts for 1 hour minimum. But , alchemy lasts for only 45 seconds. Even in cyrodil, 720AP for alchemy , but 2400 for food/drink ? Roughly it wont even last for 3 mins. Lets say if I buy food or drink buff its last for 5000g its last for many days. If buy alchemy boost ?? Hardly few hours . Even farming is extremely difficult because of bot problem and competition with other human players , alchemy are more or empty most of the times, bots is making huge issue.
It takes around 2-3 hours for farming alone if you are lucky ( I assume you are not using bots and manually go through nodes for nodes with all collection perks ) for alchemy alone, for 1 hour in cyrodil or veteran dungeons. After that you have farm again for hours or several thousands for gold , if you want to play effectively. Is alchemy intentionally made this way and ZOs no intention of fixing it ?
Lets take some modern games . Only few times , you have to go for farming to learn ingredients. After that it replenish while you mediate or just more resources from resource nodes. Every one loves that model. OR simply buff number of potions equivalent to potions. Its doesn't make any sense. Buff the up time. Or simply remove alchemy from game.

If anyone says there is no issue I seriously doubt the person is a cheater and using bots for farming alchemy and sell it guild store. Yes , there is issue and needs discussion. Sometimes is game breaking and working in favor of people who are cheating with bots.

Rather than beat around the bush like others seem to have, ill enlighten you...

Your playing wrong. Provisioning buffs are meant to have 100% up time. Alchemy buffs are meant to be situational. You are trying to use alchemy buffs with as near 100% up time as the game mechanics will allow. In vet dungeons, you should only be popping pots on boss fights. And if your groups DPS is high enough, you dont even need to do that really in most cases. In pvp, its really a luxury item, in my opinion. But again its situational. Honestly in most cases i would never waste pots in pvp.

Second, there are combinations of ingredients that give multiple useful benefits. You should learn these combinations. And then you should learn WHEN to use them in combat. For example are you burning through a bunch of invis pots? If you want near constant invis play one that has the ability. Invis pots are situational. For example, i use them to get me out of altercations with guards or to sneak by mobs in chokepoints undetected...situational. Not meant to be used constantly.

Third, If your finding a lot of nodes that have no ingredients but have worms, crawlers, etc. then someone is cherry picking them and leaving the stuff they dont want which prevents the node from despawning and respawning. You need to change your gathering location.I have a place i farm mushrooms, another i farm regular plant ingredients, and others where i farm the oddball ingredients such as butterfly wings. You are simply not efficient at gathering which is why its such a big chore to you. Combine that with trying to keep 100% up time on pots and you make it a huge issue.

Alternatively you could farm other things, sell it on a guild trader. Then use that gold to buy the ingredients you need. There are things that are easier ( and more profitable) to farm than alchemical plants. Dont assume the game is broken when ( most) everyone else is doing fine.

Priyasekarssk

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

I am not sure how other thinks. Alchemy plays vital role in ESO. Currently resource nodes provides only less . Many of the times resource nodes for alchemy is always empty unless its DLC zone. We have to deal with bots problem as well for alchemy resource colletion. I am not sure ZOs able to fix it. Provided we dont have hirelings for alchemy, alchemy ingredients are skyrocket costs. Provsioning lasts for 1 hour minimum. But , alchemy lasts for only 45 seconds. Even in cyrodil, 720AP for alchemy , but 2400 for food/drink ? Roughly it wont even last for 3 mins. Lets say if I buy food or drink buff its last for 5000g its last for many days. If buy alchemy boost ?? Hardly few hours . Even farming is extremely difficult because of bot problem and competition with other human players , alchemy are more or empty most of the times, bots is making huge issue.
It takes around 2-3 hours for farming alone if you are lucky ( I assume you are not using bots and manually go through nodes for nodes with all collection perks ) for alchemy alone, for 1 hour in cyrodil or veteran dungeons. After that you have farm again for hours or several thousands for gold , if you want to play effectively. Is alchemy intentionally made this way and ZOs no intention of fixing it ?
Lets take some modern games . Only few times , you have to go for farming to learn ingredients. After that it replenish while you mediate or just more resources from resource nodes. Every one loves that model. OR simply buff number of potions equivalent to potions. Its doesn't make any sense. Buff the up time. Or simply remove alchemy from game.

If anyone says there is no issue I seriously doubt the person is a cheater and using bots for farming alchemy and sell it guild store. Yes , there is issue and needs discussion. Sometimes is game breaking and working in favor of people who are cheating with bots.

Rather than beat around the bush like others seem to have, ill enlighten you...

Your playing wrong. Provisioning buffs are meant to have 100% up time. Alchemy buffs are meant to be situational. You are trying to use alchemy buffs with as near 100% up time as the game mechanics will allow. In vet dungeons, you should only be popping pots on boss fights. And if your groups DPS is high enough, you dont even need to do that really in most cases. In pvp, its really a luxury item, in my opinion. But again its situational. Honestly in most cases i would never waste pots in pvp.

Second, there are combinations of ingredients that give multiple useful benefits. You should learn these combinations. And then you should learn WHEN to use them in combat. For example are you burning through a bunch of invis pots? If you want near constant invis play one that has the ability. Invis pots are situational. For example, i use them to get me out of altercations with guards or to sneak by mobs in chokepoints undetected...situational. Not meant to be used constantly.

Third, If your finding a lot of nodes that have no ingredients but have worms, crawlers, etc. then someone is cherry picking them and leaving the stuff they dont want which prevents the node from despawning and respawning. You need to change your gathering location.I have a place i farm mushrooms, another i farm regular plant ingredients, and others where i farm the oddball ingredients such as butterfly wings. You are simply not efficient at gathering which is why its such a big chore to you. Combine that with trying to keep 100% up time on pots and you make it a huge issue.

Alternatively you could farm other things, sell it on a guild trader. Then use that gold to buy the ingredients you need. There are things that are easier ( and more profitable) to farm than alchemical plants. Dont assume the game is broken when ( most) everyone else is doing fine.

Are you really a player who plays ESO or Someone from ZOs ? When other players are using it seamless in PVP area, it completely break s the game . Same blah blah .

Anotherone773

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

I am not sure how other thinks. Alchemy plays vital role in ESO. Currently resource nodes provides only less . Many of the times resource nodes for alchemy is always empty unless its DLC zone. We have to deal with bots problem as well for alchemy resource colletion. I am not sure ZOs able to fix it. Provided we dont have hirelings for alchemy, alchemy ingredients are skyrocket costs. Provsioning lasts for 1 hour minimum. But , alchemy lasts for only 45 seconds. Even in cyrodil, 720AP for alchemy , but 2400 for food/drink ? Roughly it wont even last for 3 mins. Lets say if I buy food or drink buff its last for 5000g its last for many days. If buy alchemy boost ?? Hardly few hours . Even farming is extremely difficult because of bot problem and competition with other human players , alchemy are more or empty most of the times, bots is making huge issue.
It takes around 2-3 hours for farming alone if you are lucky ( I assume you are not using bots and manually go through nodes for nodes with all collection perks ) for alchemy alone, for 1 hour in cyrodil or veteran dungeons. After that you have farm again for hours or several thousands for gold , if you want to play effectively. Is alchemy intentionally made this way and ZOs no intention of fixing it ?
Lets take some modern games . Only few times , you have to go for farming to learn ingredients. After that it replenish while you mediate or just more resources from resource nodes. Every one loves that model. OR simply buff number of potions equivalent to potions. Its doesn't make any sense. Buff the up time. Or simply remove alchemy from game.

If anyone says there is no issue I seriously doubt the person is a cheater and using bots for farming alchemy and sell it guild store. Yes , there is issue and needs discussion. Sometimes is game breaking and working in favor of people who are cheating with bots.

Rather than beat around the bush like others seem to have, ill enlighten you...

Your playing wrong. Provisioning buffs are meant to have 100% up time. Alchemy buffs are meant to be situational. You are trying to use alchemy buffs with as near 100% up time as the game mechanics will allow. In vet dungeons, you should only be popping pots on boss fights. And if your groups DPS is high enough, you dont even need to do that really in most cases. In pvp, its really a luxury item, in my opinion. But again its situational. Honestly in most cases i would never waste pots in pvp.

Second, there are combinations of ingredients that give multiple useful benefits. You should learn these combinations. And then you should learn WHEN to use them in combat. For example are you burning through a bunch of invis pots? If you want near constant invis play one that has the ability. Invis pots are situational. For example, i use them to get me out of altercations with guards or to sneak by mobs in chokepoints undetected...situational. Not meant to be used constantly.

Third, If your finding a lot of nodes that have no ingredients but have worms, crawlers, etc. then someone is cherry picking them and leaving the stuff they dont want which prevents the node from despawning and respawning. You need to change your gathering location.I have a place i farm mushrooms, another i farm regular plant ingredients, and others where i farm the oddball ingredients such as butterfly wings. You are simply not efficient at gathering which is why its such a big chore to you. Combine that with trying to keep 100% up time on pots and you make it a huge issue.

Alternatively you could farm other things, sell it on a guild trader. Then use that gold to buy the ingredients you need. There are things that are easier ( and more profitable) to farm than alchemical plants. Dont assume the game is broken when ( most) everyone else is doing fine.

Are you really a player who plays ESO or Someone from ZOs ? When other players are using it seamless in PVP area, it completely break s the game . Same blah blah .

How do you know they are using pots? Classes have abilities that grant the same buffs and some gear also grants buffs. They might get buffs from pots, but they also gain the buffs from their gear and abilities. Can you tell the difference? An example is the sorcerer ability "lightening form" which grants major resolve and major ward increasing physical and spell resistance. The mage guild ability "Entropy" grants you major sorcery as another example. Nightblades have an ability that makes them invisible and when used correctly they can maintain 100% invisibility up time.

Simply, your lack of knowledge about the game mechanics, has caused you to assume it is broken because you cant maintain the same level of buffs other players can. Instead of demanding ZOS change alchemy to allow you to achieve this, you should simply learn to play. In other words figure out how other players are keeping such a high up time on buffs. I promise you, its not from pots.

Priyasekarssk

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

I am not sure how other thinks. Alchemy plays vital role in ESO. Currently resource nodes provides only less . Many of the times resource nodes for alchemy is always empty unless its DLC zone. We have to deal with bots problem as well for alchemy resource colletion. I am not sure ZOs able to fix it. Provided we dont have hirelings for alchemy, alchemy ingredients are skyrocket costs. Provsioning lasts for 1 hour minimum. But , alchemy lasts for only 45 seconds. Even in cyrodil, 720AP for alchemy , but 2400 for food/drink ? Roughly it wont even last for 3 mins. Lets say if I buy food or drink buff its last for 5000g its last for many days. If buy alchemy boost ?? Hardly few hours . Even farming is extremely difficult because of bot problem and competition with other human players , alchemy are more or empty most of the times, bots is making huge issue.
It takes around 2-3 hours for farming alone if you are lucky ( I assume you are not using bots and manually go through nodes for nodes with all collection perks ) for alchemy alone, for 1 hour in cyrodil or veteran dungeons. After that you have farm again for hours or several thousands for gold , if you want to play effectively. Is alchemy intentionally made this way and ZOs no intention of fixing it ?
Lets take some modern games . Only few times , you have to go for farming to learn ingredients. After that it replenish while you mediate or just more resources from resource nodes. Every one loves that model. OR simply buff number of potions equivalent to potions. Its doesn't make any sense. Buff the up time. Or simply remove alchemy from game.

If anyone says there is no issue I seriously doubt the person is a cheater and using bots for farming alchemy and sell it guild store. Yes , there is issue and needs discussion. Sometimes is game breaking and working in favor of people who are cheating with bots.

Rather than beat around the bush like others seem to have, ill enlighten you...

Your playing wrong. Provisioning buffs are meant to have 100% up time. Alchemy buffs are meant to be situational. You are trying to use alchemy buffs with as near 100% up time as the game mechanics will allow. In vet dungeons, you should only be popping pots on boss fights. And if your groups DPS is high enough, you dont even need to do that really in most cases. In pvp, its really a luxury item, in my opinion. But again its situational. Honestly in most cases i would never waste pots in pvp.

Second, there are combinations of ingredients that give multiple useful benefits. You should learn these combinations. And then you should learn WHEN to use them in combat. For example are you burning through a bunch of invis pots? If you want near constant invis play one that has the ability. Invis pots are situational. For example, i use them to get me out of altercations with guards or to sneak by mobs in chokepoints undetected...situational. Not meant to be used constantly.

Third, If your finding a lot of nodes that have no ingredients but have worms, crawlers, etc. then someone is cherry picking them and leaving the stuff they dont want which prevents the node from despawning and respawning. You need to change your gathering location.I have a place i farm mushrooms, another i farm regular plant ingredients, and others where i farm the oddball ingredients such as butterfly wings. You are simply not efficient at gathering which is why its such a big chore to you. Combine that with trying to keep 100% up time on pots and you make it a huge issue.

Alternatively you could farm other things, sell it on a guild trader. Then use that gold to buy the ingredients you need. There are things that are easier ( and more profitable) to farm than alchemical plants. Dont assume the game is broken when ( most) everyone else is doing fine.

Are you really a player who plays ESO or Someone from ZOs ? When other players are using it seamless in PVP area, it completely break s the game . Same blah blah .

How do you know they are using pots? Classes have abilities that grant the same buffs and some gear also grants buffs. They might get buffs from pots, but they also gain the buffs from their gear and abilities. Can you tell the difference? An example is the sorcerer ability "lightening form" which grants major resolve and major ward increasing physical and spell resistance. The mage guild ability "Entropy" grants you major sorcery as another example. Nightblades have an ability that makes them invisible and when used correctly they can maintain 100% invisibility up time.

Simply, your lack of knowledge about the game mechanics, has caused you to assume it is broken because you cant maintain the same level of buffs other players can. Instead of demanding ZOS change alchemy to allow you to achieve this, you should simply learn to play. In other words figure out how other players are keeping such a high up time on buffs. I promise you, its not from pots.

LOL. How to identify other person using pots ? Are you really serious ? Who want to teach to a noob to identify what skill enemy is using ? Immune to CC is class ability ? OMG. My lack of knowledge about the game mechanics ? You are a joke. Seriously, please play tutorials . You are a waste of time. I seriously doubt you are even a player.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

The notion that you dont need pots in PVP is a complete joke. They are extremely important if you actually want to be competitive. I almost always carry tri-pots, detect pots, and at least two types of imov pots, and use them on cooldown.

That said, I dont agree with the premise of this thread. There are so many ways to get mats in this game. Other than maybe the occaional stack of lady's smock or cornflower that I find a good price, I really never need to buy them. NEVER buy pots in a trader, it's just silly. Leveling alchemy takes all of 15 minutes and you will pay far more than the underlying mat price. Get the ingredients and craft them yourself.

How to get ingredients:

1. Do master writs. They generate a net surplus of mats each time you do them. This is my bread and butter. Combine with the surverys and you get quite a lot, especially if done consistently on multiple toons.
2. Farm Telvar and Buy the bags. I am not huge into IC, but this is perhaps the most efficient way, especially if you need them in a hurry. Writs are more of a long game.
3. Farm mats directly. This is honestly the worst way in my opinion, and I NEVER do it (have thousands of each reagent). Any time you are farming an item that can be bought for gold, you have to ask yourself if there is a more efficient way you can make gold. For me, the answer is yes.
4. Continue the logic in three, farm gold in whatever way you are best at, and buy mats in the open market. Again, never farm a commodity directly. Farm gold (whats best for you might not be whats best for me) and buy them.

Alchemy is just fine the way it is. I go through at least a stack of expensive pots a day, and I dont spend a minute worrying about the price or picking flowers. There are better ways to do it. And certainly, there are far more pressing issues in this game.

Priyasekarssk

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

The notion that you dont need pots in PVP is a complete joke. They are extremely important if you actually want to be competitive. I almost always carry tri-pots, detect pots, and at least two types of imov pots, and use them on cooldown.

That said, I dont agree with the premise of this thread. There are so many ways to get mats in this game. Other than maybe the occaional stack of lady's smock or cornflower that I find a good price, I really never need to buy them. NEVER buy pots in a trader, it's just silly. Leveling alchemy takes all of 15 minutes and you will pay far more than the underlying mat price. Get the ingredients and craft them yourself.

How to get ingredients:

1. Do master writs. They generate a net surplus of mats each time you do them. This is my bread and butter. Combine with the surverys and you get quite a lot, especially if done consistently on multiple toons.
2. Farm Telvar and Buy the bags. I am not huge into IC, but this is perhaps the most efficient way, especially if you need them in a hurry. Writs are more of a long game.
3. Farm mats directly. This is honestly the worst way in my opinion, and I NEVER do it (have thousands of each reagent). Any time you are farming an item that can be bought for gold, you have to ask yourself if there is a more efficient way you can make gold. For me, the answer is yes.
4. Continue the logic in three, farm gold in whatever way you are best at, and buy mats in the open market. Again, never farm a commodity directly. Farm gold (whats best for you might not be whats best for me) and buy them.

Alchemy is just fine the way it is. I go through at least a stack of expensive pots a day, and I dont spend a minute worrying about the price or picking flowers. There are better ways to do it. And certainly, there are far more pressing issues in this game.

I not even worry about bot problem gathering resources. Its ZOs issue as long as its not affecting my gameplay. I think something going on big scale business on the back.

I am at alchemy level 50 with full upgrades. Problem is I am not getting resources even I spend time. Alchemy we have only limited options compared to others. Thats the issue. No decontruct. No hirelings. No dropping except basic potions. Alchemy nodes are completely dry. I often get reply from noobs or who are not real players or joker trolls who not even know basic mechanics of the game.
I dont get master writs in alchemy. I do get surveys. Farm materials directly ,I almost forget as option. Its extremely time consuming and plagued with bot problem. FOr making 1 potion you have to spend 1-2 minutes. For 100 potions its 2 hours of farming. Telvars may be, not a bad option.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

The notion that you dont need pots in PVP is a complete joke. They are extremely important if you actually want to be competitive. I almost always carry tri-pots, detect pots, and at least two types of imov pots, and use them on cooldown.

That said, I dont agree with the premise of this thread. There are so many ways to get mats in this game. Other than maybe the occaional stack of lady's smock or cornflower that I find a good price, I really never need to buy them. NEVER buy pots in a trader, it's just silly. Leveling alchemy takes all of 15 minutes and you will pay far more than the underlying mat price. Get the ingredients and craft them yourself.

How to get ingredients:

1. Do master writs. They generate a net surplus of mats each time you do them. This is my bread and butter. Combine with the surverys and you get quite a lot, especially if done consistently on multiple toons.
2. Farm Telvar and Buy the bags. I am not huge into IC, but this is perhaps the most efficient way, especially if you need them in a hurry. Writs are more of a long game.
3. Farm mats directly. This is honestly the worst way in my opinion, and I NEVER do it (have thousands of each reagent). Any time you are farming an item that can be bought for gold, you have to ask yourself if there is a more efficient way you can make gold. For me, the answer is yes.
4. Continue the logic in three, farm gold in whatever way you are best at, and buy mats in the open market. Again, never farm a commodity directly. Farm gold (whats best for you might not be whats best for me) and buy them.

Alchemy is just fine the way it is. I go through at least a stack of expensive pots a day, and I dont spend a minute worrying about the price or picking flowers. There are better ways to do it. And certainly, there are far more pressing issues in this game.

I not even worry about bot problem gathering resources. Its ZOs issue as long as its not affecting my gameplay. I think something going on big scale business on the back.

I am at alchemy level 50 with full upgrades. Problem is I am not getting resources even I spend time. Alchemy we have only limited options compared to others. Thats the issue. No decontruct. No hirelings. No dropping except basic potions. Alchemy nodes are completely dry. I often get reply from noobs or who are not real players or joker trolls who not even know basic mechanics of the game.
I dont get master writs in alchemy. I do get surveys. Farm materials directly ,I almost forget as option. Its extremely time consuming and plagued with bot problem. FOr making 1 potion you have to spend 1-2 minutes. For 100 potions its 2 hours of farming. Telvars may be, not a bad option.

This is why farming is bad. You have to throw too wide of a net to get what you are after. Basically, it takes 100 mats to make 100 potions (75 flowers, and 25 solvents). So basically, it means you are gather useful ingredients at a rate of 1 every 72 seconds, that certainly makes it seems like you arent very efficient at doing it. That said, with farming, you shouldnt be farming just flowers. You should farm EVERYTHING. 1-2 hours might only net you 100 of the potion you want, but it should also be netting you lots of other things as well. Yes bots are an issue, but the VAST majority of nodes I see arent as you describe.

But again, farming a specific mat is almost always a very inefficient way of doing things. Farming only becomes profitable if you farm every type of node in sight and are efficient at selling them all. Using a toon that stacks movement speed is also really important.

Slick_007

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

First of all this game is for everyone to play and enjoy in a legitimate way. Not for few players.

and yet you want the game to be changed to suit you, when plenty of people have no issues.

Every day farm for 2 hours - 3 hours

i dont, and i have tonnes of alchemy mats. except mudcrab chitin. i need to kill more mudcrabs.

I need 100 spell critical or any crafted potions and want to make it legitimate way for cyrodil PVP. Each potion will last 1 minute game play with max perks . I also need for tougher contents. I am at level 50 in alchemy with all collection perks in CP. How to do that ? You cannot answer these questions. Put another vague irrelevant comment or personal insulting.

your only argument so far is players charge too much. which is completely irrelevant to the game. These mats are very common already. They dont need changing. If you think its too expensive. DONT BUY. when they dont sell, the price will have to come down.

Heavy requirement for alchemy is fine. Heavy requirement even to collect resources??? When I go nodes is already farmed. Is it a problem of players to like to farm ? In my experience alchemy nodes empty in almost most cases. Even next near close clothing or enchantment nodes are fine and glowing. Wtf ???

in your experience huh? well maybe you are doing it wrong, because thats not my experience.

Priyasekarssk

Slick_007 wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

First of all this game is for everyone to play and enjoy in a legitimate way. Not for few players.

and yet you want the game to be changed to suit you, when plenty of people have no issues.

Every day farm for 2 hours - 3 hours

i dont, and i have tonnes of alchemy mats. except mudcrab chitin. i need to kill more mudcrabs.

I need 100 spell critical or any crafted potions and want to make it legitimate way for cyrodil PVP. Each potion will last 1 minute game play with max perks . I also need for tougher contents. I am at level 50 in alchemy with all collection perks in CP. How to do that ? You cannot answer these questions. Put another vague irrelevant comment or personal insulting.

your only argument so far is players charge too much. which is completely irrelevant to the game. These mats are very common already. They dont need changing. If you think its too expensive. DONT BUY. when they dont sell, the price will have to come down.

Heavy requirement for alchemy is fine. Heavy requirement even to collect resources??? When I go nodes is already farmed. Is it a problem of players to like to farm ? In my experience alchemy nodes empty in almost most cases. Even next near close clothing or enchantment nodes are fine and glowing. Wtf ???

in your experience huh? well maybe you are doing it wrong, because thats not my experience.

Troll comment. Please dont waste time here . You are not giving any info considering serious or even worthy.
same blah blah ..... !!!!! LOL Are you really a player ?

Argument is about alchemy raw materials are rare to find via farming and bots is compounding the issue to breaking the game. Bot farming are already discussed in many forum outside of ESO forums.

Anotherone773

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

The notion that you dont need pots in PVP is a complete joke. They are extremely important if you actually want to be competitive. I almost always carry tri-pots, detect pots, and at least two types of imov pots, and use them on cooldown.

I stand by my statement that you do not need pots in pvp. As in its not required to pvp. If you want to be competitive sure, but i dont think the OP is to the point of needing to worry about being competitive since they dont even seem to understand basic gameplay mechanics.

So are you saying the entire time you are in pvp, you are using pots constantly on CD, because if so your wasting a lot of pots unnecessarily?

Priyasekarssk

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

The notion that you dont need pots in PVP is a complete joke. They are extremely important if you actually want to be competitive. I almost always carry tri-pots, detect pots, and at least two types of imov pots, and use them on cooldown.

I stand by my statement that you do not need pots in pvp. As in its not required to pvp. If you want to be competitive sure, but i dont think the OP is to the point of needing to worry about being competitive since they dont even seem to understand basic gameplay mechanics.

So are you saying the entire time you are in pvp, you are using pots constantly on CD, because if so your wasting a lot of pots unnecessarily?

Please consider what you speaking . No one will take serious or even take it as joke if you argue pots not necessary for PVP . Pots are absolutely necessary in PVP and end game content . Especially detection pots, immune to CC, expeditions ... There is not enough class skills to replace all that pots provide. A barrage of CC comes to you , when you let the immunity for CC down , when enemy notice it. Dead in 1 second. I am just giving 1 example.

Pots cant be replaced or ignored .
First of all are you really a player ?

Danksta

Two words: apothecary satchels

Two more words: you're welcome

Priyasekarssk

Danksta wrote: »

Two words: apothecary satchels

Two more words: you're welcome

Telvars are good. I am not sure it can give all alchemy needs. Anyway thanks.

altemriel

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

I am not sure how other thinks. Alchemy plays vital role in ESO. Currently resource nodes provides only less . Many of the times resource nodes for alchemy is always empty unless its DLC zone. We have to deal with bots problem as well for alchemy resource colletion. I am not sure ZOs able to fix it. Provided we dont have hirelings for alchemy, alchemy ingredients are skyrocket costs. Provsioning lasts for 1 hour minimum. But , alchemy lasts for only 45 seconds. Even in cyrodil, 720AP for alchemy , but 2400 for food/drink ? Roughly it wont even last for 3 mins. Lets say if I buy food or drink buff its last for 5000g its last for many days. If buy alchemy boost ?? Hardly few hours . Even farming is extremely difficult because of bot problem and competition with other human players , alchemy are more or empty most of the times, bots is making huge issue.
It takes around 2-3 hours for farming alone if you are lucky ( I assume you are not using bots and manually go through nodes for nodes with all collection perks ) for alchemy alone, for 1 hour in cyrodil or veteran dungeons. After that you have farm again for hours or several thousands for gold , if you want to play effectively. Is alchemy intentionally made this way and ZOs no intention of fixing it ?
Lets take some modern games . Only few times , you have to go for farming to learn ingredients. After that it replenish while you mediate or just more resources from resource nodes. Every one loves that model. OR simply buff number of potions equivalent to potions. Its doesn't make any sense. Buff the up time. Or simply remove alchemy from game.

If anyone says there is no issue I seriously doubt the person is a cheater and using bots for farming alchemy and sell it guild store. Yes , there is issue and needs discussion. Sometimes is game breaking and working in favor of people who are cheating with bots.

yes, add more herbs, smokable, for potions or poisons, new combinations, new recipes. add more plants, that have effect on perception of our toons. make them blurry vision or movement, make them high!!

and btw. we need a /smokepipe emote now!!! ZOS!!!

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

The notion that you dont need pots in PVP is a complete joke. They are extremely important if you actually want to be competitive. I almost always carry tri-pots, detect pots, and at least two types of imov pots, and use them on cooldown.

I stand by my statement that you do not need pots in pvp. As in its not required to pvp. If you want to be competitive sure, but i dont think the OP is to the point of needing to worry about being competitive since they dont even seem to understand basic gameplay mechanics.

So are you saying the entire time you are in pvp, you are using pots constantly on CD, because if so your wasting a lot of pots unnecessarily?

@Anotherone773
As to the bold, Fair Point.

As to the last sentence, if I am in combat, I am using pots on cooldown in both PVE and PVP. The only exception would be if I am running a build that uses clever alchemist, and need to wait to time my burst. Certainly, I am not in combat 100% of the time, as its probably less than half in PVP.

200 pots in an evening of PVP is pretty par for the course. I Always have Speed/stam/Imov, Tri-stat, and Magic/Spell crit/imov quick-slotted and ready to go. I also usually carry detect and invis pots, just in case. Do you need them to play? Nope, but if you fight someone of similar ability that does use them on cooldown, you will lose every time.

Anotherone773

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

The notion that you dont need pots in PVP is a complete joke. They are extremely important if you actually want to be competitive. I almost always carry tri-pots, detect pots, and at least two types of imov pots, and use them on cooldown.

I stand by my statement that you do not need pots in pvp. As in its not required to pvp. If you want to be competitive sure, but i dont think the OP is to the point of needing to worry about being competitive since they dont even seem to understand basic gameplay mechanics.

So are you saying the entire time you are in pvp, you are using pots constantly on CD, because if so your wasting a lot of pots unnecessarily?

@Anotherone773
As to the bold, Fair Point.

As to the last sentence, if I am in combat, I am using pots on cooldown in both PVE and PVP. The only exception would be if I am running a build that uses clever alchemist, and need to wait to time my burst. Certainly, I am not in combat 100% of the time, as its probably less than half in PVP.

200 pots in an evening of PVP is pretty par for the course. I Always have Speed/stam/Imov, Tri-stat, and Magic/Spell crit/imov quick-slotted and ready to go. I also usually carry detect and invis pots, just in case. Do you need them to play? Nope, but if you fight someone of similar ability that does use them on cooldown, you will lose every time.

I am not a competitive person by nature. I get no enjoyment out of trying to be "better" than someone else or best them. I enjoy pvp, just not ESO pvp.

That said this is the way i see it. You have competitive and non competitive pvpers. Non competitive really have no reason to burn pots on pvp. They are pretty much there for the AP, skill points, etc. Why waste the resources? Competitive players do and thus need every edge they can get.

However, if you are going to be competitive in pvp, from experience, that requires having some source to fund your pvp. When i play Eve, i grind " sites" for rare modules to sell to other players. This funds my pvp, and pvp in Eve is hardcore, when you die you suffer real losses. So you learn to become efficient in grinding the required sources so you can spend less time in pve and more time in pvp not to mention use better ships and modules.


From my experience and perspective, alchemy is fine and pots are not needed to participate. If you want to " play on that level" then you better be able to support your need of pots, which the OP obviously has not learned to do. Pots are intended to be situational and the choices you make when using them critical. If they required little effort, then everyone would use them all the time for everything. And then you wouldnt have people like me who base usage on need vs effort to acquire. How important is it to me that i have an edge in pvp? In ESO its not important to me, im just here for the AP and SP. In eve, where my losses are real and cost me a few hours to a 40 hour week or more farming, its vital, im using good gear, because that little bit of extra has made the difference between me repairing my ship and me buying a new one.

Just a little insight into my perspective.

Taleof2Cities

So, basically the OP doesn’t want to take advantage of the full suite of options available in the game.

- Farming (gathering nodes)
- Alchemy Bags in IC (purchased with Tel Var)
- Dark Brotherhood Shadowy Supplier
- Alchemy Crafting Writs
- Guild Store Purchases
- Trading for Alchemy Mats w/players for something else of value

Instead, it’s a ZOS issue ... when it’s working fine for the vast majority of players.

In addition, when a useful suggestion is initiated (but is too much work for the OP), the suggestion is dismissed and forum-goer is labeled a “troll”.

Bottom Line: This thread is nearing the end of its useful life.

fred4

I have no idea why the OP is going on about bot farming. That is not to say it doesn't exist, however you might take into consideration that, since the introduction of apothecary parcels, Columbine prices on PC EU, for example, have fallen from something like 400 - 500 to their current value of around 130. The main source of alchemy ingredients in this game is not from farming them directly, by players or by bots, but by farming Tel Var, which to my knowledge is not and probably cannot be done by bots. if you're running around picking flowers, you either like the scenery and relaxation, or your're uninformed, or you don't have the DLC, or you don't like to PvP ... or you're obstinate and stupid.

I make my in-game living from Tel Var. If that's not your thing, then find other ways of making gold and buy alchemy ingredients. For example I buy gold tempers and Kuta in guild stores all the time. You could make a living selling those to me, and I'll get Imperial City goods to you. Just in case you don't have these addons, let me recommend them:

Master Merchant
Awesome Guild Store

And web-site: Tamriel Trade Center (google it, if you don't know it)

Priyasekarssk

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

So, basically the OP doesn’t want to take advantage of the full suite of options available in the game.

- Farming (gathering nodes)
- Alchemy Bags in IC (purchased with Tel Var)
- Dark Brotherhood Shadowy Supplier
- Alchemy Crafting Writs
- Guild Store Purchases
- Trading for Alchemy Mats w/players for something else of value

Instead, it’s a ZOS issue ... when it’s working fine for the vast majority of players.

In addition, when a useful suggestion is initiated (but is too much work for the OP), the suggestion is dismissed and forum-goer is labeled a “troll”.

Bottom Line: This thread is nearing the end of its useful life.

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

So, basically the OP doesn’t want to take advantage of the full suite of options available in the game.

- Farming (gathering nodes)
- Alchemy Bags in IC (purchased with Tel Var)
- Dark Brotherhood Shadowy Supplier
- Alchemy Crafting Writs
- Guild Store Purchases
- Trading for Alchemy Mats w/players for something else of value

Instead, it’s a ZOS issue ... when it’s working fine for the vast majority of players.

In addition, when a useful suggestion is initiated (but is too much work for the OP), the suggestion is dismissed and forum-goer is labeled a “troll”.

Bottom Line: This thread is nearing the end of its useful life.

Working for majority of players ? You should not tell yourself that statement. Doing personal insult doesnt make anything . IT only shows stupidity. Just close the thread . Do you think its loss for me ? hehe.

Priyasekarssk

fred4 wrote: »

I have no idea why the OP is going on about bot farming. That is not to say it doesn't exist, however you might take into consideration that, since the introduction of apothecary parcels, Columbine prices on PC EU, for example, have fallen from something like 400 - 500 to their current value of around 130. The main source of alchemy ingredients in this game is not from farming them directly, by players or by bots, but by farming Tel Var, which to my knowledge is not and probably cannot be done by bots. if you're running around picking flowers, you either like the scenery and relaxation, or your're uninformed, or you don't have the DLC, or you don't like to PvP ... or you're obstinate and stupid.

I make my in-game living from Tel Var. If that's not your thing, then find other ways of making gold and buy alchemy ingredients. For example I buy gold tempers and Kuta in guild stores all the time. You could make a living selling those to me, and I'll get Imperial City goods to you. Just in case you don't have these addons, let me recommend them:

Master Merchant
Awesome Guild Store

And web-site: Tamriel Trade Center (google it, if you don't know it)

"you're obstinate and stupid" . Again personal attack. I know why you are doing it. One thing is very clear. You didnt come here to discuss the burning issue. Just want to troll and doing personal attacks . You are the best. Basically , you didnt even fully read it. Tempers and kuta are not even alchemy ingredients.
Paid trolls!!!! Why cant you even google yourself about the issue rather than doing personal attacks here instead of discussing the issue or solution or alternatives ?

Vapirko

Yeah it sucks potions are very expensive. Some people don’t understand not wanting to farm for hours or spend hours doing writs or what have you. In order to make potions for an hour or two of solo or smallscale pvp you would have to farm for hours. I don’t want to spend hours farming for ingredients every day before going into cyro. There should be more types of potions available for AP or soemthing.

Priyasekarssk

Vapirko wrote: »

Yeah it sucks potions are very expensive. Some people don’t understand not wanting to farm for hours or spend hours doing writs or what have you. In order to make potions for an hour or two of solo or smallscale pvp you would have to farm for hours. I don’t want to spend hours farming for ingredients every day before going into cyro. There should be more types of potions available for AP or soemthing.

ESO forum has many paid trolls . Just leave. Many are downright stupids. They are not even players. They are not here to discuss anything or provide solution or alternatives. Only thing they will respond with personal attacks not discussion , so that you will not come with any problem in game.
Please understand why some major & serious issues are not even discussed here.

Dont discuss anything here. Its just waste of time.

idk

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

If anyone says there is no issue I seriously doubt the person is a cheater and using bots for farming alchemy and sell it guild store. Yes , there is issue and needs discussion. Sometimes is game breaking and working in favor of people who are cheating with bots.

Not knocking your opinion you made in your OP, but it is in poor taste to discredit anyone who disagrees with you by calling them a cheater using bots which may be double cheating.

I think it is extremely unlikely a bot users would post in this tread for starters.

Further, there is a alchemy helper, but yes, it requires a DLC. It is called the shadowy supplier.

I do not think it is Zos' intention that we easily gain every matt we need for alchemy when we are also heavily consuming them as you seem to be. I now I pull out the free potion drops when I enter a dungeon of any kind myself and save the good stuff for vet trials.

While I do purchase alchemy matts, I get a fair portion on my own via writs, picking them up and the supplier I mentioned. While I do not have an issue, the only thing I would suggest is Zos increase harvest from an alchemy node to match that of other crafting nodes. 1

fred4

You call it a burning issue. I make gold from selling excess ingredients and potions. I guess I'm finding it hard to empathise, because I'm doing what I love (PvPing in IC), and it's a complete non-issue for me. When there's a lull in PvP, you farm Tel Var. You do it all along really, including taking Tel Var from other players. The introduction of alchemy parcels has solved any potion issues I might have had. Yes, I use crafted potions constantly in PvP. It seems you are PvPing as well, so why not go to IC? I am ESO rich, because I'm there all the time. You don't need to do that. Just try it for a bit, and I think you'll find that you get reagents faster than any other way.

@Vapirko, it sounds like you are talking about farming resource nodes in PvE land. Who does that? Not us PvPers anyway. I can only recommend IC to you as well. I certainly don't find it boring, unlike harvesting resource nodes or doing writs.

I do agree that being able to buy parcels for AP, as well as Tel Var, would be nice for those people who exclusively like to play Cyrodiil.

fred4

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Tempers and kuta are not even alchemy ingredients.

I was suggesting that, if you don't like farming Tel Var or alchemy ingredients, you might farm something else that you can trade, in case you find that easier. I don't do that, so I can't advise on other ways of making gold. I was only pointing out that there is a ready market for - particularly - other materials. If you can make gold another way, you'd just buy whatever reagents you need in guild stores.

I don't think ZOS will ever fully get rid of all types of grinding in the game. That's kind of the essence of MMOs, isn't it? From my point of view, grinding for alchemy reagents is a complete non-issue though. To be honest, the people who I imagine really have a hard time with it are the pure PvEers. As a PvPer, which both you and Vapirko seem to be, I don't get it. Just spend some time in IC.

fred4

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Two words: apothecary satchels

Two more words: you're welcome

Telvars are good. I am not sure it can give all alchemy needs. Anyway thanks.

I apologise for the "obstinate and stupid" insult. The reason I said it is that Tel Var have already been mentioned numerous times in this thread, and you have at the very least been downplaying their significance. Not only will they satisfy ALL your alchemy needs, but it is quite possible that you will sell excess ingredients and actually use this as a means to make gold.

The parcels, for some reason, omit two unimportant ingredients that I have yet to find a use for. All the important stuff is covered. Lady's Smock and Corn Flower could be more plentiful, simply because they are so useful, but Columbine is actually present in abundance. Furthermore, you can turn some of the ingredients you don't use directly into gold, as follows:

(1) Get Master Merchant and check for ingredients you don't need, that cost less than 40 gold on the open market. Spider Egg, Fleshfly Larvae, and certain things that combine with it, such as Blue Entoloma and Imp Stool (at PC EU prices).

(2) Combine 2 of those ingredients with Alkahest, which you probably have tons of, and which is worth next to to nothing.

(3) Each time you do this you create 16 poisons. Each poison can be sold to an NPC merchant for 5 gold. 16 poisons yields 80 gold.

Basically it's not even worth putting up the cheap ingredients, ones that you don't need, in a guild store. Just use the above method and sell poisons directly to an NPC.

fred4

Incidentally, there is a way of making gold from Cyrodiil PvP, and that's the Golden weekend vendor. This is a long term game, as you have to wait for her to appear and sell gold jewelry that is bind-on-equip and in demand. On PC EU, expect to make around 1 gold for every 5 AP. In other words, buy a gold necklace or ring for 300K AP, and expect to resell it in a guild store for at least 60K gold. Anything up to around 90K is possible on PC EU, depending on your timing. Being up at midnight from Friday to Saturday helps.

On the other hand, if you want to play the REALLY long game, buy as much gold jewelry as you can of a very highly-rated set, such as Necropotence, then keep it in your bank. The Golden sold this twice, on PC EU, last summer. Now it sells in guild stores for insane prices, around 700K. No I'm not talking about it sitting in a guild store at that price. I am talking about 6 actual sales over the past month in my guilds on PC EU.

Why am I saying all this? Because if you work the economy in this game you have no problem getting rich, and you don't necessarily have to invest a lot of time. This would solve your alchemy woes. You just need to find your niche. Play the parts of the game you want, then trade with players who play different parts of the game.

If you can't sell stuff, consider joining a guild in the big hub towns, Mournhold, Elden Root, Wayrest, and Rawl Ka. The best guilds, on PC EU, however, operate in Belkarth. I believe this differs between platforms. It makes a HUGE difference to be in a renowned trading guild that maintains a trader in the right spot, e.g Belkarth on PC EU.

Note that guilds may have a weekly sales minimum, anything up to 100K on PC EU. This is because they must make a lot of gold to keep their trader. The differences between guilds are stark. The top guild on PC EU regularly sells over 200M worth of goods per week. A lesser guild, also in Belkarth, with a laxer membership policy, only sells around 60M. My third guild maintains a trader in Windhelm and has no weekly sales requirements. This guild sells around 5M worth of goods per week.

I mention these statistics, because I find them interesting. Each of my 3 guilds has 500 members, but they perform vastly differently as trading guilds. What might sell within hours in the top guild might only sell within a week in the bottom guild. That said, if you sell materials or consumables at normal market prices, they will sell everywhere eventually.

Slick_007

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Dont discuss anything here. Its just waste of time.

taking a page from the OPs book. there is no discussing anything with them because he complains about personal insults while issuing them. dont waste your time with them.

ZeroXFF

Replacing Snakeblood with a hireling passive would be awesome. Who crafts potions with negative effects anyways?