Alchemy Needs a overhaul.( ZOs must read)

Priyasekarssk

I am not sure how other thinks. Alchemy plays vital role in ESO. Currently resource nodes provides only less . Many of the times resource nodes for alchemy is always empty unless its DLC zone. We have to deal with bots problem as well for alchemy resource colletion. I am not sure ZOs able to fix it. Provided we dont have hirelings for alchemy, alchemy ingredients are skyrocket costs. Provsioning lasts for 1 hour minimum. But , alchemy lasts for only 45 seconds. Even in cyrodil, 720AP for alchemy , but 2400 for food/drink ? Roughly it wont even last for 3 mins. Lets say if I buy food or drink buff its last for 5000g its last for many days. If buy alchemy boost ?? Hardly few hours . Even farming is extremely difficult because of bot problem and competition with other human players , alchemy are more or empty most of the times, bots is making huge issue.
It takes around 2-3 hours for farming alone if you are lucky ( I assume you are not using bots and manually go through nodes for nodes with all collection perks ) for alchemy alone, for 1 hour in cyrodil or veteran dungeons. After that you have farm again for hours or several thousands for gold , if you want to play effectively. Is alchemy intentionally made this way and ZOs no intention of fixing it ?
Lets take some modern games . Only few times , you have to go for farming to learn ingredients. After that it replenish while you mediate or just more resources from resource nodes. Every one loves that model. OR simply buff number of potions equivalent to potions. Its doesn't make any sense. Buff the up time. Or simply remove alchemy from game.

If anyone says there is no issue I seriously doubt the person is a cheater and using bots for farming alchemy and sell it guild store. Yes , there is issue and needs discussion. Sometimes is game breaking and working in favor of people who are cheating with bots.

bongtokin420insd16

I really dont see an issue here. I have 100's of every ingredient and have for quite a while. I collect nodes when i see them and do writs and hirelings. I've bought some here and there for a good price, but usually sell them too so my pile is from gathering since i started. Heck, im sitting on Surveys i haven't even used yet. I use potions too quite frequently for both PVE and PVP.

Silver_Strider

Tel Var Alchemy Satchels are your friend.

Even after buying the storage chests, I had plenty left over to buy a good 500 satchels and get a good supply of mats for my potion addict Argonian without issue. I don't need bots, just got to tolerate IC for a few hours and I'm good.

Priyasekarssk

bongtokin420insd16 wrote: »

I really dont see an issue here. I have 100's of every ingredient and have for quite a while. I collect nodes when i see them and do writs and hirelings. I've bought some here and there for a good price, but usually sell them too so my pile is from gathering since i started. Heck, im sitting on Surveys i haven't even used yet. I use potions too quite frequently for both PVE and PVP.

Hirelings for alchemy ?? Really ?? Where in ESO ? I think you are not confusing provisioning with alchemy.

Priyasekarssk

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Tel Var Alchemy Satchels are your friend.

Even after buying the storage chests, I had plenty left over to buy a good 500 satchels and get a good supply of mats for my potion addict Argonian without issue. I don't need bots, just got to tolerate IC for a few hours and I'm good.

I am not talking about health potions which is around 500g for 100 .
I talking about potions such as spell critical , deduction, invisible. major savargery. All costs around 10K minimum for 100 in guild store. Which not even last for 1-2 hours.

Silver_Strider

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Tel Var Alchemy Satchels are your friend.

Even after buying the storage chests, I had plenty left over to buy a good 500 satchels and get a good supply of mats for my potion addict Argonian without issue. I don't need bots, just got to tolerate IC for a few hours and I'm good.

I am not talking about health potions which is around 500g for 100 .
I talking about potions such as spell critical , deduction, invisible. major savargery. All costs around 10K minimum for 100 in guild store. Which not even last for 1-2 hours.

Ok, this is a troll thread.

Move on people.

bongtokin420insd16

lol yup. FYI, the hirelings was a general statement, IE i do writs and have hirelings.

And so you know, the Brotherhood daily goods is alchemy based. If you get a potion satchel often its regents.

Also 10k min when 75 regents have been used isnt really that bad. Plus if you don't like the length, put into the passives and they last longer.

I am Jo-Rel, Master Of Scheduling

Priyasekarssk

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Tel Var Alchemy Satchels are your friend.

Even after buying the storage chests, I had plenty left over to buy a good 500 satchels and get a good supply of mats for my potion addict Argonian without issue. I don't need bots, just got to tolerate IC for a few hours and I'm good.

I am not talking about health potions which is around 500g for 100 .
I talking about potions such as spell critical , deduction, invisible. major savargery. All costs around 10K minimum for 100 in guild store. Which not even last for 1-2 hours.

Ok, this is a troll thread.

Move on people.

You didn't explain anything. You need to collect 4 ingredients for making 4 potions which last for 4 minutes max. Collection time for 4 ingredients is roughly 3-4 mins if you are lucky. Only you will get health potions , rarely magicka or stamina potion drops from mobs. Roughly you have spend 1 hour for collecting resources itself , which last for 1 hour.

Troll thread ??? HEHE. Where is your data point ?? I need 100 detection potions or spell critical potions for 2 hours fight in cyrodil. It wont drop any where. You have to collect 3 reagents and 1 solvent.

I already put in main comment people using bots/cheats dont like it while posting it. Because its their making not even make any data points for arguments. All they care is money from guild store and bots collect them during offline. They dont want ZOs to notice and fix the issue.

Please provide data points for your arguments. I know there is no data point to make.

Priyasekarssk

bongtokin420insd16 wrote: »

lol yup. FYI, the hirelings was a general statement, IE i do writs and have hirelings.

And so you know, the Brotherhood daily goods is alchemy based. If you get a potion satchel often its regents.

Also 10k min when 75 regents have been used isnt really that bad. Plus if you don't like the length, put into the passives and they last longer.

I am Jo-Rel, Master Of Scheduling

I am not arguing about the costs. But its wont lost long in serious fights. If I buy 100 potions of spell critical and go cyrodil or veteran dungeon , its deplete within 1-2 hours with 1 minute each. Again , you have to spend again or go bankrupt or go with normal health potions for battle. Provisioning we dont have that issue. If we buy gold quality food for 15K . It lasts for several hours or even days. For enchantments or clothing you dont need often to the level of alchemy. My point why alchemy is so rare and expensive when its used so often. Only few people are privileged with good potions. Others not even able to get ingredients even after spending hours for collecting resources and only option is guild store. Often most stuck up with health/stamina/magicka potions which drops from mobs. Can you stand a chance in cyrodil against mob of night blades without detection potions. 15K gold is equivalent to price top quality set value which is going to stay with you for ever.
Even if you fly, you cannot collect 75 ingredients+ for spell critical/detection or any potions other than ( health/magicka/stamina) .Within 30 minutes, even if you are lucky . I mean for people who are doing it manually. 100 SP potions last for 2 hours on serious fights . Again farming continues. So, alchemy potions are so privileged which lasts for few hours even more than gears ?

If you know any legitimate way to make 100 spell critical potions or detection potions every day use let me know. 100 will last for 2 hours with max perk for serious contents.

Beamer_Miasma

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

My point why alchemy is so rare and expensive when its used so often.

Your actual point is that everything should be roughly equal in value according to how you value them. There are single player games for that kind of thing. You farm my gold rings, I farm your potions, that's how it works. If you don't like the price, then learn how to do without them.

Complaining about something that is clearly just another opinion based on an extreme spectrum of how the game can be played is rather pointless. The cause of your problem is not that there is something wrong with alchemy, the cause is that you only want to experience a very narrow part of the game that happens to be heavy on the requirement for alchemy crafting. Learn to cope or play differently.

Priyasekarssk

Beamer_Miasma wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

My point why alchemy is so rare and expensive when its used so often.

Your actual point is that everything should be roughly equal in value according to how you value them. There are single player games for that kind of thing. You farm my gold rings, I farm your potions, that's how it works. If you don't like the price, then learn how to do without them.

Complaining about something that is clearly just another opinion based on an extreme spectrum of how the game can be played is rather pointless. The cause of your problem is not that there is something wrong with alchemy, the cause is that you only want to experience a very narrow part of the game that happens to be heavy on the requirement for alchemy crafting. Learn to cope or play differently.

First of all this game is for everyone to play and enjoy in a legitimate way. Not for few players.

Every day farm for 2 hours - 3 hours , if you are lucky and nodes active and go to cyrodil . Otherwise wake up at midnight and farm when no one in server. Don't do any missions . Or use bots to farm while offline. Very good argument. If alchemy is not overpowered or misused , why should everyone bother. Alchemy issue is not a problem of me.

Its already complained in many of public forums, even before I started playing. For single player content I don't need crafted potions handy all times other than veteran dungeons and trials.

I need 100 spell critical or any crafted potions and want to make it legitimate way for cyrodil PVP. Each potion will last 1 minute game play with max perks . I also need for tougher contents. I am at level 50 in alchemy with all collection perks in CP. How to do that ? You cannot answer these questions. Put another vague irrelevant comment or personal insulting.

Heavy requirement for alchemy is fine. Heavy requirement even to collect resources??? When I go nodes is already farmed. Is it a problem of players to like to farm ? In my experience alchemy nodes empty in almost most cases. Even next near close clothing or enchantment nodes are fine and glowing. Wtf ???

Beamer_Miasma

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Beamer_Miasma wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

My point why alchemy is so rare and expensive when its used so often.

Your actual point is that everything should be roughly equal in value according to how you value them. There are single player games for that kind of thing. You farm my gold rings, I farm your potions, that's how it works. If you don't like the price, then learn how to do without them.

Complaining about something that is clearly just another opinion based on an extreme spectrum of how the game can be played is rather pointless. The cause of your problem is not that there is something wrong with alchemy, the cause is that you only want to experience a very narrow part of the game that happens to be heavy on the requirement for alchemy crafting. Learn to cope or play differently.

First of all this game is for everyone to play and enjoy in a legitimate way. Not for few players.

Every day farm for 2 hours - 3 hours , if you are lucky and nodes active and go to cyrodil . Otherwise wake up at midnight and farm when no one in server. Don't do any missions . Or use bots to farm while offline. Very good argument. If alchemy is not overpowered or misused , why should everyone bother. Alchemy issue is not a problem of me.

Its already complained in many of public forums, even before I started playing. For single player content I don't need crafted potions handy all times other than veteran dungeons and trials.

I need 100 spell critical or any crafted potions and want to make it legitimate way for cyrodil PVP. Each potion will last 1 minute game play with max perks . I also need for tougher contents. I am at level 50 in alchemy with all collection perks in CP. How to do that ? You cannot answer these questions. Put another vague irrelevant comment or personal insulting.

Heavy requirement for alchemy is fine. Heavy requirement even to collect resources??? When I go nodes is already farmed. Is it a problem of players to like to farm ? In my experience alchemy nodes empty in almost most cases. Even next near close clothing or enchantment nodes are fine and glowing. Wtf ???

Hate to say it man but you are the one who doesn't have an argument other than "because I want it that way". Everyone has to pay the same price for their potions as you, you're not being treated unfairly in any way. You just completely seem to miss the point of interaction with other players. You want to be able to get everything for yourself, without paying others to do the work for you, yet you don't want to put in the work yourself. You have no point whatsoever. BTW I wasn't throwing insults, I was stating obvious facts, ones that you have already ignored previously, so I shouldn't be too surprised.

The legitimate way to get the potions you so desperately need is to buy them. There is no legitimate way to get them for free and without spending time to gather them, nor will there ever be.

Priyasekarssk

Beamer_Miasma wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Beamer_Miasma wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

My point why alchemy is so rare and expensive when its used so often.

Your actual point is that everything should be roughly equal in value according to how you value them. There are single player games for that kind of thing. You farm my gold rings, I farm your potions, that's how it works. If you don't like the price, then learn how to do without them.

Complaining about something that is clearly just another opinion based on an extreme spectrum of how the game can be played is rather pointless. The cause of your problem is not that there is something wrong with alchemy, the cause is that you only want to experience a very narrow part of the game that happens to be heavy on the requirement for alchemy crafting. Learn to cope or play differently.

First of all this game is for everyone to play and enjoy in a legitimate way. Not for few players.

Every day farm for 2 hours - 3 hours , if you are lucky and nodes active and go to cyrodil . Otherwise wake up at midnight and farm when no one in server. Don't do any missions . Or use bots to farm while offline. Very good argument. If alchemy is not overpowered or misused , why should everyone bother. Alchemy issue is not a problem of me.

Its already complained in many of public forums, even before I started playing. For single player content I don't need crafted potions handy all times other than veteran dungeons and trials.

I need 100 spell critical or any crafted potions and want to make it legitimate way for cyrodil PVP. Each potion will last 1 minute game play with max perks . I also need for tougher contents. I am at level 50 in alchemy with all collection perks in CP. How to do that ? You cannot answer these questions. Put another vague irrelevant comment or personal insulting.

Heavy requirement for alchemy is fine. Heavy requirement even to collect resources??? When I go nodes is already farmed. Is it a problem of players to like to farm ? In my experience alchemy nodes empty in almost most cases. Even next near close clothing or enchantment nodes are fine and glowing. Wtf ???

Hate to say it man but you are the one who doesn't have an argument other than "because I want it that way". Everyone has to pay the same price for their potions as you, you're not being treated unfairly in any way. You just completely seem to miss the point of interaction with other players. You want to be able to get everything for yourself, without paying others to do the work for you, yet you don't want to put in the work yourself. You have no point whatsoever. BTW I wasn't throwing insults, I was stating obvious facts, ones that you have already ignored previously, so I shouldn't be too surprised.

The legitimate way to get the potions you so desperately need is to buy them. There is no legitimate way to get them for free and without spending time to gather them, nor will there ever be.

I desperate to collect my myself. I have full collection perks and level 50 in alchemy. I can spend/waste time say 1 hour for alchemy alone for every day before even start playing. I dont have that much money. Show me the nodes . I dont want to buy for guild store, which may be stealed ( Botted) which belongs to every one. Botted is not legitamate way of course. Some may collect at midnight burning the nights. I dont see resource problem for any other like clothes, blacksmiths , enchantments.. For rare materials its legitimately acceptable. It has to be rare. Alchemy is not the problem only for me. Its already in many public forums under fire . Only in ESO forums in downplayed.

disintegr8

The only change I would like to see (on console) is a slider so you can make what you need in one button press instead of taking forever making them 4 at a time. This also applies to provisioning.

All of my characters use food or drink, potions and poisons, all made by me without even having to buy the ingredients. As @Beamer_Miasma effectively states, you get nothing for free - you either put time into farming and leveling up skill lines or be prepared to pay gold.

If you only want to run content and are not prepared to farm for ingredients, the only choice you have is to pay what people want to charge for the potions. It is your choice to do this, nobody is making you buy them - not even ESO.

I'll repeat what I have said over and over again: If someone is selling something in a guild trader, they got it from somewhere, which means you can also get it. If you don't want to pay what they are asking, go and get it yourself.

P.S. You don't need bots to keep ingredients stocked, simply harvest all the nodes you see and have hireling mails.

Priyasekarssk

disintegr8 wrote: »

The only change I would like to see (on console) is a slider so you can make what you need in one button press instead of taking forever making them 4 at a time. This also applies to provisioning.

All of my characters use food or drink, potions and poisons, all made by me without even having to buy the ingredients. As @Beamer_Miasma effectively states, you get nothing for free - you either put time into farming and leveling up skill lines or be prepared to pay gold.

If you only want to run content and are not prepared to farm for ingredients, the only choice you have is to pay what people want to charge for the potions. It is your choice to do this, nobody is making you buy them - not even ESO.

I'll repeat what I have said over and over again: If someone is selling something in a guild trader, they got it from somewhere, which means you can also get it. If you don't want to pay what they are asking, go and get it yourself.

My character is already leveled 50 in alchemy with CP traits for gathering. I am ready for gathering. Show me the nodes. Main problem is alchemy nodes are mostly empty and extremely scarce. Rarely you will get from alchemy nodes excluding solvent. For your information. people not complaining provisioning . Alchemy doesn't have hirelings. Unlike other resources , alchemy is for every day use and dry up.

Why people are against are against getting more alchemy resources especially bot users , even though its been complained for long time ?
Because , it will cut down unfair advantage , they steal from others and huge money supply from guild store. Their unfair advantage in battles. There is a trade off which should be rare and which shouldn't be. Its lopsidedly favoring cheaters. ZOs has to make serious look into alchemy resources, before its goes out of proportions and game mechanics get seriously broke as more people joining server every day.
. Enchantment gives 3 resources which lasts forever and alchemy only 1 which lasts 3-4 mins ?

Please note the issue is already raged in many public forums and some eso forums as well .

IAVITNI

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Tel Var Alchemy Satchels are your friend.

Even after buying the storage chests, I had plenty left over to buy a good 500 satchels and get a good supply of mats for my potion addict Argonian without issue. I don't need bots, just got to tolerate IC for a few hours and I'm good.

I am not talking about health potions which is around 500g for 100 .
I talking about potions such as spell critical , deduction, invisible. major savargery. All costs around 10K minimum for 100 in guild store. Which not even last for 1-2 hours.

200 potions lasts me a couple weeks in PvP. PvE the drain is a little more but you don't need to chug potions off cooldown for anything other than a score run which you wouldn't be doing regularly anyways.

I have +500 of all reagents, use potions on all 14 characters and I haven't bought a single reagent or actively farmed reagents outside of Tel var since One Tamriel.

It's a L2P issue.

Priyasekarssk

IAVITNI wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Tel Var Alchemy Satchels are your friend.

Even after buying the storage chests, I had plenty left over to buy a good 500 satchels and get a good supply of mats for my potion addict Argonian without issue. I don't need bots, just got to tolerate IC for a few hours and I'm good.

I am not talking about health potions which is around 500g for 100 .
I talking about potions such as spell critical , deduction, invisible. major savargery. All costs around 10K minimum for 100 in guild store. Which not even last for 1-2 hours.

200 potions lasts me a couple weeks in PvP. PvE the drain is a little more but you don't need to chug potions off cooldown for anything other than a score run which you wouldn't be doing regularly anyways.

I have +500 of all reagents, use potions on all 14 characters and I haven't bought a single reagent or actively farmed reagents outside of Tel var since One Tamriel.

It's a L2P issue.

L2P issue ? HEHE. rofl. Just like people above commented hirelings for alchemy ?
How did you get those 500 reagants with out farming. Just bought telvars ?
200 potions last for 2 weeks in PVP area ? I cant even take your comment serious. sorry

disintegr8

@Priyasekarssk - according to your theory I must be cheating. I don't know how, where when or why, but to be self sufficient in alchemy without buying stuff, I am obviously cheating. Please let me know how I am doing this so that I can stop before I get caught.

In my inventory now I have over 2000 Larkhams tears, over 1000 each of Bugloss, Columbine and Mountain Flower. Based on this alone I can make more than 4000 tri-stat potions - arguably one of the most sought after potions in history of the game. Does this mean I have cheated, or have been ripping people off?

All of my characters now use spell or weapon crit potions, made by me in batches of 150 to 200 at a time, yet I think nearly every ingredient in my craft bag has a supply of at least 400 items. Sure, some items are harder to find than others, but that is why we have so many ingredients which overlap in their uses.

I'll also correct you on a couple of points:
As you can get 4 potions out of 1 set of ingredients, the ingredients are not 'single use items'.
It is very rare that I come across a plant which only contains worms or crawlers, so either you 'farm' in a bad location, or are simply unlucky. (I also have several thousand worms and crawlers, because I empty every node I find).

Priyasekarssk

disintegr8 wrote: »

@Priyasekarssk - according to your theory I must be cheating. I don't know how, where when or why, but to be self sufficient in alchemy without buying stuff, I am obviously cheating. Please let me know how I am doing this so that I can stop before I get caught.

In my inventory now I have over 2000 Larkhams tears, over 1000 each of Bugloss, Columbine and Mountain Flower. Based on this alone I can make more than 4000 tri-stat potions - arguably one of the most sought after potions in history of the game. Does this mean I have cheated, or have been ripping people off?

All of my characters now use spell or weapon crit potions, made by me in batches of 150 to 200 at a time, yet I think nearly every ingredient in my craft bag has a supply of at least 400 items. Sure, some items are harder to find than others, but that is why we have so many ingredients which overlap in their uses.

I'll also correct you on a couple of points:
As you can get 4 potions out of 1 set of ingredients, the ingredients are not 'single use items'.
It is very rare that I come across a plant which only contains worms or crawlers, so either you 'farm' in a bad location, or are simply unlucky. (I also have several thousand worms and crawlers, because I empty every node I find).

Lets go auridon or cold harbor main city or which ever located. I dont think solvent is much of an issue. But ingredients yes. To collect 1000 each of Bugloss, Columbine and Mountain Flower you require 30 seconds travel from node to node. Even most densely populated nodes. To get 1 pair for 4 potions , you have to spend 3 minutes - 4 minutes provided if you are lucky and no one around to compete you. You can use streak , rapid manuever .. etc to accelerate this. So basically you spend 1 minute for 1 potion and each potion stand for 1 minute in long battles . Please dont tell me , I fly and collect . So 4000 tristat potions should have spent around 50-60 hours in farming alchemy ingredients low estimate . Obviously, you can buy from telvars for some ingredients.

People asked ingredients from alchemy nodes has to increased or number or potions or both , because of extreme shortage in alchemy nodes. Thats it. If people wants to collect just go and collect them whats the issue.

For , this if people against it, telling all kind of non sense. blah blah blah...... Why would people in sane mind want to spend more time in farming ? I seriously suspect their integrity if they someone argue farming time has to be increased other than some special gears or special food/drink. Then I suspect they are cheats. No doubt. People who really spend time to farm alchemy manually will know how much time it takes. They dont even like to sell them in guild stores . They know how valuable it is.
Its already raged in many public forums and even in ESO forums. Is is not ?

Why they want alchemy ingredients and potions for daily use like spell critical on par with nirnhoned weapons or even more in guild stores ?
Pathetic is people are justifying it. Actually many gold and purple food & drink are cheaper than potions in guild stores. rofl.

I know how to make potions and whats constitute what.

Ender1310

bongtokin420insd16 wrote: »

I really dont see an issue here. I have 100's of every ingredient and have for quite a while. I collect nodes when i see them and do writs and hirelings. I've bought some here and there for a good price, but usually sell them too so my pile is from gathering since i started. Heck, im sitting on Surveys i haven't even used yet. I use potions too quite frequently for both PVE and PVP.

Is this a thing! Do these sachels really provide the good stuff ? Columbine and the like?

disintegr8

I do not recall seeing other threads complaining about alchemy.

I have been playing the game for two and a half years - plenty of time to collect thousands of ingredients without using any special skills (and I don't do IC, so do not buy anything with tel var stones).

Like everyone else in this game, if I run out of supplies for anything, I have to make a decision, sacrifice time or gold. Either I stop doing what I might prefer to do (PVP, dungeons, etc.) and put some time into farming, or keep doing what I want and buy stuff from traders. EVERYONE HAS THE SAME CHOICE, NOBODY IS FORCING YOU TO DO ONE OR THE OTHER!!

You have your mind set and nothing is going to change it, really no point discussing any further.

bongtokin420insd16

Im not sure if ive ever gotten columbine as i dont usually pay attention to what the regents are. Its usually 3 regents and a water. But ya

Priyasekarssk

disintegr8 wrote: »

I do not recall seeing other threads complaining about alchemy.

I have been playing the game for two and a half years - plenty of time to collect thousands of ingredients without using any special skills (and I don't do IC, so do not buy anything with tel var stones).

Like everyone else in this game, if I run out of supplies for anything, I have to make a decision, sacrifice time or gold. Either I stop doing what I might prefer to do (PVP, dungeons, etc.) and put some time into farming, or keep doing what I want and buy stuff from traders. EVERYONE HAS THE SAME CHOICE, NOBODY IS FORCING YOU TO DO ONE OR THE OTHER!!

You have your mind set and nothing is going to change it, really no point discussing any further.

I already posted the links . I am sorry if you dont want to look into it.

IAVITNI

Ender1310 wrote: »

bongtokin420insd16 wrote: »

I really dont see an issue here. I have 100's of every ingredient and have for quite a while. I collect nodes when i see them and do writs and hirelings. I've bought some here and there for a good price, but usually sell them too so my pile is from gathering since i started. Heck, im sitting on Surveys i haven't even used yet. I use potions too quite frequently for both PVE and PVP.

Is this a thing! Do these sachels really provide the good stuff ? Columbine and the like?

Yeah. There's no point farming reagents tbh. Go to IC, it usually takes around an hour or so to get +5k Tel Var and that should net you around 50 of almost all reagents.

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

IAVITNI wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Tel Var Alchemy Satchels are your friend.

Even after buying the storage chests, I had plenty left over to buy a good 500 satchels and get a good supply of mats for my potion addict Argonian without issue. I don't need bots, just got to tolerate IC for a few hours and I'm good.

I am not talking about health potions which is around 500g for 100 .
I talking about potions such as spell critical , deduction, invisible. major savargery. All costs around 10K minimum for 100 in guild store. Which not even last for 1-2 hours.

200 potions lasts me a couple weeks in PvP. PvE the drain is a little more but you don't need to chug potions off cooldown for anything other than a score run which you wouldn't be doing regularly anyways.

I have +500 of all reagents, use potions on all 14 characters and I haven't bought a single reagent or actively farmed reagents outside of Tel var since One Tamriel.

It's a L2P issue.

L2P issue ? HEHE. rofl. Just like people above commented hirelings for alchemy ?
How did you get those 500 reagants with out farming. Just bought telvars ?
200 potions last for 2 weeks in PVP area ? I cant even take your comment serious. sorry

You're new to the game and don't really understand how to optimize. When I started I thought potions were lack luster as well but they work perfectly fine.

1. I'm going to assume you zerg, in which case you don't need to pop potions on cooldown. Retreat to the middle (never the far back as you will get ganked) and heavy attack or just regen. If you don't use potions for resources you don't need Major X buff in a zerg tbh. Zerg damage comes from numbers
2. Potions are really meant for "oh [snip]" moments. The only exception being Trials, in which case yes, you may well burn +200 pots depending on how good your group is. I can finish Vet Maelstrom in an hour burning only around 30 potions as reference.
3. learn when to use what pots. 50% of the time you don't need a tri-pot/immovable etc, so trash pots work perfectly fine. If you're standing behind a zerg.
4. If you are in PvP, use the alliance draught pots. They are really cheap and are highly underrated, especially on characters with no/low investments into alchemy skill line

You just don't understand the purpose of potions. Some builds are meant to use potions on cooldown and that's fine. But even in PvP, that in no way requires you to pop a potion on cooldown for 2 hours straight. For large group play, actual player v player combat is maybe 20% of playtime. 30% is most likely siege and the other 50% if travel time/waiting for crown to make a call.

I almost exclusively play solo/small scale, and I drink tri pots almost on cooldown IN combat. A stack of 200 tri pots has lasted me a month on my main, although I have played significantly less lately due to life reasons and I do cycle through 14 characters. On average I consume maybe 20-30 pots for 1-2 hours of gameplay. I do mix in trash and alliance potions AND I know when a potion is necessary and when it is not.

And if you think I'm trash I win most 1v3s. I've uploaded some clips if you don't believe me and they are low quality ones as I'm new to video editing and don't want to "waste" a clip xD

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Priyasekarssk

IAVITNI wrote: »

Ender1310 wrote: »

bongtokin420insd16 wrote: »

I really dont see an issue here. I have 100's of every ingredient and have for quite a while. I collect nodes when i see them and do writs and hirelings. I've bought some here and there for a good price, but usually sell them too so my pile is from gathering since i started. Heck, im sitting on Surveys i haven't even used yet. I use potions too quite frequently for both PVE and PVP.

Is this a thing! Do these sachels really provide the good stuff ? Columbine and the like?

Yeah. There's no point farming reagents tbh. Go to IC, it usually takes around an hour or so to get +5k Tel Var and that should net you around 50 of almost all reagents.

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

IAVITNI wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Tel Var Alchemy Satchels are your friend.

Even after buying the storage chests, I had plenty left over to buy a good 500 satchels and get a good supply of mats for my potion addict Argonian without issue. I don't need bots, just got to tolerate IC for a few hours and I'm good.

I am not talking about health potions which is around 500g for 100 .
I talking about potions such as spell critical , deduction, invisible. major savargery. All costs around 10K minimum for 100 in guild store. Which not even last for 1-2 hours.

200 potions lasts me a couple weeks in PvP. PvE the drain is a little more but you don't need to chug potions off cooldown for anything other than a score run which you wouldn't be doing regularly anyways.

I have +500 of all reagents, use potions on all 14 characters and I haven't bought a single reagent or actively farmed reagents outside of Tel var since One Tamriel.

It's a L2P issue.

L2P issue ? HEHE. rofl. Just like people above commented hirelings for alchemy ?
How did you get those 500 reagants with out farming. Just bought telvars ?
200 potions last for 2 weeks in PVP area ? I cant even take your comment serious. sorry

You're new to the game and don't really understand how to optimize. When I started I thought potions were lack luster as well but they work perfectly fine.

1. I'm going to assume you zerg, in which case you don't need to pop potions on cooldown. Retreat to the middle (never the far back as you will get ganked) and heavy attack or just regen. If you don't use potions for resources you don't need Major X buff in a zerg tbh. Zerg damage comes from numbers
2. Potions are really meant for "oh [snip]" moments. The only exception being Trials, in which case yes, you may well burn +200 pots depending on how good your group is. I can finish Vet Maelstrom in an hour burning only around 30 potions as reference.
3. learn when to use what pots. 50% of the time you don't need a tri-pot/immovable etc, so trash pots work perfectly fine. If you're standing behind a zerg.
4. If you are in PvP, use the alliance draught pots. They are really cheap and are highly underrated, especially on characters with no/low investments into alchemy skill line

You just don't understand the purpose of potions. Some builds are meant to use potions on cooldown and that's fine. But even in PvP, that in no way requires you to pop a potion on cooldown for 2 hours straight. For large group play, actual player v player combat is maybe 20% of playtime. 30% is most likely siege and the other 50% if travel time/waiting for crown to make a call.

I almost exclusively play solo/small scale, and I drink tri pots almost on cooldown IN combat. A stack of 200 tri pots has lasted me a month on my main, although I have played significantly less lately due to life reasons and I do cycle through 14 characters. On average I consume maybe 20-30 pots for 1-2 hours of gameplay. I do mix in trash and alliance potions AND I know when a potion is necessary and when it is not.

And if you think I'm trash I win most 1v3s. I've uploaded some clips if you don't believe me and they are low quality ones as I'm new to video editing and don't want to "waste" a clip xD

I cannot agree 200 potions for 2 weeks in PVP area. No one PVP PRO or serious PVPer will agree. Health potions is fine. But potions like CC , detection , immovability, has to be up for long time in drawn out battles depending on opponents you face, otherwise you are dead. They all crafted potions. Potions make very difference in PVP battles. PVP battles are very long and drawn out especially on max cp levels unless you die quickly or your opponent is a noob. Sieges are only for breaking walls and holding your position. People rarely die for siege unless they are noobs or in very tricky situation.
I have to check telvars are affordable than farming.


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Skullstachio

@Priyasekarssk wrote: »

I am not sure how other thinks. Alchemy plays vital role in ESO. Currently resource nodes provides only less . Many of the times resource nodes for alchemy is always empty unless its DLC zone. We have to deal with bots problem as well for alchemy resource colletion. I am not sure ZOs able to fix it. Provided we dont have hirelings for alchemy, alchemy ingredients are skyrocket costs. Provsioning lasts for 1 hour minimum. But , alchemy lasts for only 45 seconds. Even in cyrodil, 720AP for alchemy , but 2400 for food/drink ? Roughly it wont even last for 3 mins. Lets say if I buy food or drink buff its last for 5000g its last for many days. If buy alchemy boost ?? Hardly few hours . Even farming is extremely difficult because of bot problem and competition with other human players , alchemy are more or empty most of the times, bots is making huge issue.
It takes around 2-3 hours for farming alone if you are lucky ( I assume you are not using bots and manually go through nodes for nodes with all collection perks ) for alchemy alone, for 1 hour in cyrodil or veteran dungeons. After that you have farm again for hours or several thousands for gold , if you want to play effectively. Is alchemy intentionally made this way and ZOs no intention of fixing it ?
Lets take some modern games . Only few times , you have to go for farming to learn ingredients. After that it replenish while you mediate or just more resources from resource nodes. Every one loves that model. OR simply buff number of potions equivalent to potions. Its doesn't make any sense. Buff the up time. Or simply remove alchemy from game.

If anyone says there is no issue I seriously doubt the person is a cheater and using bots for farming alchemy and sell it guild store. Yes , there is issue and needs discussion. Sometimes is game breaking and working in favor of people who are cheating with bots.

Alchemy can be hard at times, but when it comes down to farming reagents, I usually look in places that are not as populated during certain times (or usually when I feel like collecting random reagents for the long run) but one thing I can agree on, they should remake Laboratory Use.

Something along the lines of:

Laboratory Assistance III: allows the use of three reagents, an alchemical hireling will also find reagents for you.
A new delivery from your Alchemical hireling can be claimed the next time you login or change zones, provided it has been no less than 12 hours since the last bundle.

that could help most alchemists to some degree with locating certain hard-to-find reagents such as columbine, white caps, etc. not to mention it could decrease the alchemical bot farm population by a small amount for a fair bit.

(Just a word of warning about the gold coast & hews bane, the dark brotherhood/thieves guild celebration event will be on for a while which may cause slight spikes in bot activity in terms of resource gathering.)

IAVITNI

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

I cannot agree 200 potions for 2 weeks in PVP area. No one PVP PRO or serious PVPer will agree. Health potions is fine. But potions like CC , detection , immovability, has to be up for long time in drawn out battles depending on opponents you face, otherwise you are dead. They all crafted potions. Potions make very difference in PVP battles. PVP battles are very long and drawn out especially on max cp levels unless you die quickly or your opponent is a noob. Sieges are only for breaking walls and holding your position. People rarely die for siege unless they are noobs or in very tricky situation.
I have to check telvars are affordable than farming.

uhmmm <<<<PvP main.

I can confidently say I'm better than the majority of people in PvP. I am nowhere near the top but keep in mind that skill distribution amongst the population is incredibly skewed. The top 1% are vastly better than the rest of the top 10% and only the top 20% actually know how to PvP.

Yes, 200 potions for 2 weeks is impossible, hence why I mix in trash/alliance potions. Mind you, majority of fights I don't even need a potion because the skill gap is usually in my favour, and I am constantly chasing 1vx fights. (I find dulling builds to be too cheese, and I don't use anything but trash pots in duels because I don't feel more is necessary).

I 100% agree that potions make a big difference in PvP. What you fail to grasp is the proper use of potions. If I'm fighting a 1v4
and don't feel pressured then I don't use a potion. If I'm fighting a 2v1 and they're spamming snares, Heroic Slash and Major Defile, then 100% I will potion. However, not every fight is going to require a potion, and only a 1vx really requires anything more than a trash pot.

Oh and I've done a 1v4 at least once on every class except magblade, magden, magDK and stamplar. I know what I'm talking about.

100% Tel Var is much more affordable than farming. I farm Tel Var maybe once a month and that nets me around 500 of each reagent.

So like I said, it's a L2P issue as you do not know how to effectively gather mats nor do you understand proper usage of potions.

Morgul667

I would love if plant growing for your house were a thing

That would make up for the low rate of compo I get against what I use

It's not that bad but could use a boost

SaintSubwayy

Morgul667 wrote: »

I would love if plant growing for your house were a thing

That would make up for the low rate of compo I get against what I use

It's not that bad but could use a boost

Agree adding some pots, garden to your house would be nice.
(Like im skyrim heartfire)
Maybe comebine the grwoing rate with time spent ingame, and exp/ ap gain, to prevent afk farming
Add a cap per house depending on the size

SaintSubwayy

Morgul667 wrote: »

I would love if plant growing for your house were a thing

That would make up for the low rate of compo I get against what I use

It's not that bad but could use a boost

Agree adding some pots, garden to your house would be nice.
(Like im skyrim heartfire)
Maybe comebine the grwoing rate with time spent ingame, and exp/ ap gain, to prevent afk farming
Add a cap per house depending on the size

Priyasekarssk

Alpha-Lupi wrote: »

@Priyasekarssk wrote: »

I am not sure how other thinks. Alchemy plays vital role in ESO. Currently resource nodes provides only less . Many of the times resource nodes for alchemy is always empty unless its DLC zone. We have to deal with bots problem as well for alchemy resource colletion. I am not sure ZOs able to fix it. Provided we dont have hirelings for alchemy, alchemy ingredients are skyrocket costs. Provsioning lasts for 1 hour minimum. But , alchemy lasts for only 45 seconds. Even in cyrodil, 720AP for alchemy , but 2400 for food/drink ? Roughly it wont even last for 3 mins. Lets say if I buy food or drink buff its last for 5000g its last for many days. If buy alchemy boost ?? Hardly few hours . Even farming is extremely difficult because of bot problem and competition with other human players , alchemy are more or empty most of the times, bots is making huge issue.
It takes around 2-3 hours for farming alone if you are lucky ( I assume you are not using bots and manually go through nodes for nodes with all collection perks ) for alchemy alone, for 1 hour in cyrodil or veteran dungeons. After that you have farm again for hours or several thousands for gold , if you want to play effectively. Is alchemy intentionally made this way and ZOs no intention of fixing it ?
Lets take some modern games . Only few times , you have to go for farming to learn ingredients. After that it replenish while you mediate or just more resources from resource nodes. Every one loves that model. OR simply buff number of potions equivalent to potions. Its doesn't make any sense. Buff the up time. Or simply remove alchemy from game.

If anyone says there is no issue I seriously doubt the person is a cheater and using bots for farming alchemy and sell it guild store. Yes , there is issue and needs discussion. Sometimes is game breaking and working in favor of people who are cheating with bots.

Alchemy can be hard at times, but when it comes down to farming reagents, I usually look in places that are not as populated during certain times (or usually when I feel like collecting random reagents for the long run) but one thing I can agree on, they should remake Laboratory Use.

Something along the lines of:

Laboratory Assistance III: allows the use of three reagents, an alchemical hireling will also find reagents for you.
A new delivery from your Alchemical hireling can be claimed the next time you login or change zones, provided it has been no less than 12 hours since the last bundle.

that could help most alchemists to some degree with locating certain hard-to-find reagents such as columbine, white caps, etc. not to mention it could decrease the alchemical bot farm population by a small amount for a fair bit.

(Just a word of warning about the gold coast & hews bane, the dark brotherhood/thieves guild celebration event will be on for a while which may cause slight spikes in bot activity in terms of resource gathering.)

We dont have hirelings for alchemy as of now . Many people are so desperate for it. They should enable other means as well.