KiraTsukasa wrote: »[
I KNOW it's not retroactive. THAT'S THE PROBLEM! Can you not read?
KiraTsukasa wrote: »We don't get them retroactively? Because I can't find them anywhere on my character that was level 39 before the patch. So I have to waste time on a different character just to get the rewards I should have already earned.
Great.
KiraTsukasa wrote: »Moonscythe wrote: »I am dealing with it. I deal with it by getting huffy and bummed out by the whole situation. If I have to deal with the disappointment then you have to deal with my forum crankiness. I don't want to have to kill everybody.
I've already quit two games in less than six months due to blatant cash grabs, I really don't want a third, especially one that I've sunk a good chunk of time and money into.
KiraTsukasa wrote: »You know what, screw the whole damn thing.
ZOS, lock this thread. And while you're at it, ban *** like this from the forums.
DieAlteHexe wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »oh look... another entitlement thread....
#nothingtoseehere move on.
Oh, wonderful, I was wondering how long it would take for one of you to show up. And I'm ready for you.
It's not entitlement when you've already satisfied the conditions for the earnings.
hmm..
the thing is for new players... NEW PLAYERS
if you already have done it you are not a NEW PLAYER
jeeezzz....some people.
If "new players" was the condition, then the system would be limited to accounts created after the date of the update.
Any other "logic" you want to throw out there?
the system is there to encourage new players. fact.
if you want to gain those benefits you can make a new toon and get them. personally i think zos is being over generous there. but hey, they try to keep the snowflakes happy.
If I make a new character, that doesn't make me a new player. I'm still the same player I was, just on a character I don't want to play to do things that I've already accomplished. As I already stated, if this was for new players, it would limit account creation date.
jeez, read the zos announcement on it and accept that you are just whining for the sake of it...
I don't think Kira's mind is going to be changed. Might as well give it up.
VaranisArano wrote: »Deal with it.
As unhelpful as this is, its also the truth. This was announced when Dragonbones went on the PTS, and that was the time to make our outrage known. Many of us did complain. Obviously, ZOS didn't care.
I understand it's frustrating to discover this on Patch Day, but this has been a known issue for quite awhile and now that its made it to Live,on both PC and Console, there's no chance that it will be changed. So unfortunate though it is, the only practical advice available is to deal with it. Feel free to complain, of course, but the time to convince ZOS otherwise already passed.
jedtb16_ESO wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »oh look... another entitlement thread....
#nothingtoseehere move on.
Oh, wonderful, I was wondering how long it would take for one of you to show up. And I'm ready for you.
It's not entitlement when you've already satisfied the conditions for the earnings.
hmm..
the thing is for new players... NEW PLAYERS
if you already have done it you are not a NEW PLAYER
jeeezzz....some people.
If "new players" was the condition, then the system would be limited to accounts created after the date of the update.
Any other "logic" you want to throw out there?
the system is there to encourage new players. fact.
if you want to gain those benefits you can make a new toon and get them. personally i think zos is being over generous there. but hey, they try to keep the snowflakes happy.
If I make a new character, that doesn't make me a new player. I'm still the same player I was, just on a character I don't want to play to do things that I've already accomplished. As I already stated, if this was for new players, it would limit account creation date.
jeez, read the zos announcement on it and accept that you are just whining for the sake of it...
I don't think Kira's mind is going to be changed. Might as well give it up.
well... it was clear from the start how it would apply and the reason for it. i do not see the point in people raging about it after the event.
it's for new players and, zos being magnanimous, newly created toons - so everyone gets a chance at it.
really... what is the problem?
BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Deal with it.
As unhelpful as this is, its also the truth. This was announced when Dragonbones went on the PTS, and that was the time to make our outrage known. Many of us did complain. Obviously, ZOS didn't care.
I understand it's frustrating to discover this on Patch Day, but this has been a known issue for quite awhile and now that its made it to Live,on both PC and Console, there's no chance that it will be changed. So unfortunate though it is, the only practical advice available is to deal with it. Feel free to complain, of course, but the time to convince ZOS otherwise already passed.
The whole purpose of the rewards is to entice people to make new characters...give a reason to play. Why give it retroactively - defeats the purpose. The rewards are just enough to make someone think about leveling a new character who may feel like they have enough (me with 6 toons), but not so much that you should feel screwed for not getting the rewards if you don't want to level.
It was well done.
KiraTsukasa wrote: »jwjackson5674 wrote: »Juju_beans wrote: »All these level up rewards are for NEW players to the game.
No one is missing out on "what they earned" because this is new content for new characters.
I totally agree. If you have already leveled then you shouldn't get the Level Up Rewards. You should actually have to level up to get them that's why they're called Level Up Rewards
But that's the thing, I actually HAVE leveled up. You're treating it like I started a new character at level 50 and didn't do any of the work to get there. But I HAVE done the work, which actually amounts to MORE work than a new player because I didn't get all the free boosts that they do, so actually the people more deserving of the rewards are the ones that have actually put time into the game.
disintegr8 wrote: »I do not approve of the way this has been done, especially the 'one offs' like the storage coffer and the prisoners rags. These things should either have been retroactive or be easily accessible (without paying cash) for anyone who has completed leveling the games initial 8 free character slots.
Luckily I had my 12th and 13th characters at level 11 and 26 when I read this was coming, so stopped their progress until the update. I expect to eventually buy characters 14 and 15 but I don't think players should be forced to buy a new character just to get what newer players will receive as part of the base game.
I'd also suggest that I will not like the level up advisor. While I am no expert at everything in the game, I doubt that at more than 960 CP I will get much help for whatever advice is given to one of my characters at level 15. An option to turn it off would be good.
Sheezabeast wrote: ».look at how there are two types of XP pots you can craft/buy in game,
KiraTsukasa wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »oh look... another entitlement thread....
#nothingtoseehere move on.
Oh, wonderful, I was wondering how long it would take for one of you to show up. And I'm ready for you.
It's not entitlement when you've already satisfied the conditions for the earnings.
a good clue what they were thinking is in their actions.
why remove the horse for sale? there was no reason to do this other than to try and get people to level another and get the horse that was always there. A bit backwards but if anyone can see any reason to remove the horse for sale, i can't.
locking the coffer behind this is another clue. You should be able to buy it. Don't force people to level another character just to get all the available coffers, thats just pathetic.
jedtb16_ESO wrote: »a good clue what they were thinking is in their actions.
why remove the horse for sale? there was no reason to do this other than to try and get people to level another and get the horse that was always there. A bit backwards but if anyone can see any reason to remove the horse for sale, i can't.
locking the coffer behind this is another clue. You should be able to buy it. Don't force people to level another character just to get all the available coffers, thats just pathetic.
but you can buy coffers...
Are there achievements tied to the level-up system that couldn't be achieved before? I haven't checked, but if so that's just f***ed up and another slap in the face to existing characters. Am I just supposed to delete my pre-morrowind character that I've put close to 2k hours into and start over every year? smh
PS: I still want my skill point for the morrowind tutorial that my character is unable to get...
jedtb16_ESO wrote: »a good clue what they were thinking is in their actions.
why remove the horse for sale? there was no reason to do this other than to try and get people to level another and get the horse that was always there. A bit backwards but if anyone can see any reason to remove the horse for sale, i can't.
locking the coffer behind this is another clue. You should be able to buy it. Don't force people to level another character just to get all the available coffers, thats just pathetic.
but you can buy coffers...
Thanks, I hope I can still turn it off for my 'partially progressed' characters. Only got the patch yesterday so haven't checked on that yet.VaranisArano wrote: »disintegr8 wrote: »I do not approve of the way this has been done, especially the 'one offs' like the storage coffer and the prisoners rags. These things should either have been retroactive or be easily accessible (without paying cash) for anyone who has completed leveling the games initial 8 free character slots.
Luckily I had my 12th and 13th characters at level 11 and 26 when I read this was coming, so stopped their progress until the update. I expect to eventually buy characters 14 and 15 but I don't think players should be forced to buy a new character just to get what newer players will receive as part of the base game.
I'd also suggest that I will not like the level up advisor. While I am no expert at everything in the game, I doubt that at more than 960 CP I will get much help for whatever advice is given to one of my characters at level 15. An option to turn it off would be good.
There is an option to turn it off. On the place where you select the build you want the Skill Advisor to use, you can opt to turn it off instead.
VaranisArano wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »a good clue what they were thinking is in their actions.
why remove the horse for sale? there was no reason to do this other than to try and get people to level another and get the horse that was always there. A bit backwards but if anyone can see any reason to remove the horse for sale, i can't.
locking the coffer behind this is another clue. You should be able to buy it. Don't force people to level another character just to get all the available coffers, thats just pathetic.
but you can buy coffers...
You can, but not all of the coffers. If you want the max 8/8, you have to get the one offered through leveling up.
jedtb16_ESO wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »a good clue what they were thinking is in their actions.
why remove the horse for sale? there was no reason to do this other than to try and get people to level another and get the horse that was always there. A bit backwards but if anyone can see any reason to remove the horse for sale, i can't.
locking the coffer behind this is another clue. You should be able to buy it. Don't force people to level another character just to get all the available coffers, thats just pathetic.
but you can buy coffers...
You can, but not all of the coffers. If you want the max 8/8, you have to get the one offered through leveling up.
so make a new toon and level it... job done.
VaranisArano wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »a good clue what they were thinking is in their actions.
why remove the horse for sale? there was no reason to do this other than to try and get people to level another and get the horse that was always there. A bit backwards but if anyone can see any reason to remove the horse for sale, i can't.
locking the coffer behind this is another clue. You should be able to buy it. Don't force people to level another character just to get all the available coffers, thats just pathetic.
but you can buy coffers...
You can, but not all of the coffers. If you want the max 8/8, you have to get the one offered through leveling up.
so make a new toon and level it... job done.
No duh, Obviousman.
I'm replying to an entire conversation in which someone complained that they had to level a new toon to get all the coffers, you were like "But you can buy coffers" and I had to reply, "Yeah, you can buy coffers but not all of them, some of them you have to level a new toon."
I'm providing information you left out, not complaining.
KiraTsukasa wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »The skill point awarded by the Morrowind tutorial mission is just a replacement for the one you get at the end of the original tutorial quest.
Nope. Pre-Morrowind characters will not be able to get that skill point, and morrowind characters can still get the point from the original tutorial. This has been known for almost a year.
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Skills
"Playing or skipping Broken Bonds (1 Skill Point, only available to new Morrowind characters)"
Yes, only new players get that quest. However, they DO NOT have access to the Coldharbour tutorial quest that gave you a skill point at the end. After all is said and done, it's the same skill point. You're not missing anything.
So you are saying they fixed the extra skill point from Morrowind launch? New characters got both skill points when Morrowind launched, giving them one more max skill point than old characters. This was well established.
Whatever. It doesn't matter. It's off topic anyway.
VaranisArano wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »Juju_beans wrote: »All these level up rewards are for NEW players to the game.
No one is missing out on "what they earned" because this is new content for new characters.
An unattainable achievement for something you've already accomplished would be the very definition of "missing out on what we've earned."
Technically, no, because we can still achieve it, it just takes leveling a new character to do so. ZOS is offering a 15th character slot, so the new rewards aren't actually unattainable for anyone. Some people just have to delete a character or buy a new slot in order to acquire them, which stinks.
KiraTsukasa wrote: »Juju_beans wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »Juju_beans wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »oh look... another entitlement thread....
#nothingtoseehere move on.
Oh, wonderful, I was wondering how long it would take for one of you to show up. And I'm ready for you.
It's not entitlement when you've already satisfied the conditions for the earnings.
But you didn't. This is not retroactive. It only applies to new characters created after the patch went live.
Those are the conditions.
The conditions are "reach X level". I've already reached X level, I've satisfied the conditions.
No they are not. Here's a thread where zos confirmed and clarified that it was for new characters leveling up, not retroactive to maxed out characters.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/388079/the-new-leveling-advisor/p1
I KNOW it's not retroactive. THAT'S THE PROBLEM! Can you not read?
Anotherone773 wrote: »This is like saying that if a car dealership advertises "$2500 of all new cars this weekend" and i bought my car last weekend i should go in this weekend and expect them to write me a check for the purchase i made last weekend because i already satisfied the conditions. If this is the way life worked id spend all my time going around collecting money from people who owe it to me retroactively.
KiraTsukasa wrote: »Moonscythe wrote: »I am dealing with it. I deal with it by getting huffy and bummed out by the whole situation. If I have to deal with the disappointment then you have to deal with my forum crankiness. I don't want to have to kill everybody.
I've already quit two games in less than six months due to blatant cash grabs, I really don't want a third, especially one that I've sunk a good chunk of time and money into.