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So... Level Up Rewards...
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Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
✭KiraTsukasa wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »The skill point awarded by the Morrowind tutorial mission is just a replacement for the one you get at the end of the original tutorial quest.
Nope. Pre-Morrowind characters will not be able to get that skill point, and morrowind characters can still get the point from the original tutorial. This has been known for almost a year.
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Skills
"Playing or skipping Broken Bonds (1 Skill Point, only available to new Morrowind characters)"
Yes, only new players get that quest. However, they DO NOT have access to the Coldharbour tutorial quest that gave you a skill point at the end. After all is said and done, it's the same skill point. You're not missing anything.
Yes they do. As soon as you go to your faction main city you get the quest and can do the entire tutorial on that character.
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MasterSpatula wrote: »Juju_beans wrote: »All these level up rewards are for NEW players to the game.
No one is missing out on "what they earned" because this is new content for new characters.
An unattainable achievement for something you've already accomplished would be the very definition of "missing out on what we've earned."
Technically, no, because we can still achieve it, it just takes leveling a new character to do so. ZOS is offering a 15th character slot, so the new rewards aren't actually unattainable for anyone. Some people just have to delete a character or buy a new slot in order to acquire them, which stinks.0 -
Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
✭VaranisArano wrote: »Juju_beans wrote: »All these level up rewards are for NEW players to the game.
No one is missing out on "what they earned" because this is new content for new characters.
Which is a nice way of saying "screw you, old players who already leveled characters with none of the benefits or rewards the new people get."
Sure, we can get the rewards by making a new character which takes away some of the sting. I'm not one to go "In my day, I walked barefoot in the snow 12 miles uphill both ways" when it comes to new players getting something I didn't have. I think the level advisor rewards are good, and if they were all small things like potions and a food recipe, I really wouldn't care.
Its the big rewards, like the costumes and the crown crates and the prisoner's style that bug me. Those are something that all players would find useful, and while I'll be leveling a new character to get them, I'd much rather that ZOS had respected experienced players.
However, the reason i think they didn't is because its much eaiser to give the rewards to players active enough to level a new character than it is to give retroactive rewards to a bunch of accounts that may or may not be active.
I'm leveling up a new toon. I have the horse, I have all 3 costumes and the crate gave me gems cause I had the mask already.
I'm level 22 now and the only item that I was actually able to get is the storage crate. The scrolls and stuff are character bound so only that character can use them.
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N00BxV1✭✭✭✭✭
✭KiraTsukasa wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »The skill point awarded by the Morrowind tutorial mission is just a replacement for the one you get at the end of the original tutorial quest.
Nope. Pre-Morrowind characters will not be able to get that skill point, and morrowind characters can still get the point from the original tutorial. This has been known for almost a year.
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Skills
"Playing or skipping Broken Bonds (1 Skill Point, only available to new Morrowind characters)"
Yes, only new players get that quest. However, they DO NOT have access to the Coldharbour tutorial quest that gave you a skill point at the end. After all is said and done, it's the same skill point. You're not missing anything.
Uh... Yes new characters do have access to both quests. I've done both Broken Bonds and Soul Shriven in Coldharbour on new morrowind characters.0 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭KiraTsukasa wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »The skill point awarded by the Morrowind tutorial mission is just a replacement for the one you get at the end of the original tutorial quest.
Nope. Pre-Morrowind characters will not be able to get that skill point, and morrowind characters can still get the point from the original tutorial. This has been known for almost a year.
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Skills
"Playing or skipping Broken Bonds (1 Skill Point, only available to new Morrowind characters)"
Yes, only new players get that quest. However, they DO NOT have access to the Coldharbour tutorial quest that gave you a skill point at the end. After all is said and done, it's the same skill point. You're not missing anything.
So you are saying they fixed the extra skill point from Morrowind launch? New characters got both skill points when Morrowind launched, giving them one more max skill point than old characters. This was well established.0 -
KiraTsukasa✭✭✭✭✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »The skill point awarded by the Morrowind tutorial mission is just a replacement for the one you get at the end of the original tutorial quest.
Nope. Pre-Morrowind characters will not be able to get that skill point, and morrowind characters can still get the point from the original tutorial. This has been known for almost a year.
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Skills
"Playing or skipping Broken Bonds (1 Skill Point, only available to new Morrowind characters)"
Yes, only new players get that quest. However, they DO NOT have access to the Coldharbour tutorial quest that gave you a skill point at the end. After all is said and done, it's the same skill point. You're not missing anything.
So you are saying they fixed the extra skill point from Morrowind launch? New characters got both skill points when Morrowind launched, giving them one more max skill point than old characters. This was well established.
Whatever. It doesn't matter. It's off topic anyway.0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Juju_beans wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Juju_beans wrote: »All these level up rewards are for NEW players to the game.
No one is missing out on "what they earned" because this is new content for new characters.
Which is a nice way of saying "screw you, old players who already leveled characters with none of the benefits or rewards the new people get."
Sure, we can get the rewards by making a new character which takes away some of the sting. I'm not one to go "In my day, I walked barefoot in the snow 12 miles uphill both ways" when it comes to new players getting something I didn't have. I think the level advisor rewards are good, and if they were all small things like potions and a food recipe, I really wouldn't care.
Its the big rewards, like the costumes and the crown crates and the prisoner's style that bug me. Those are something that all players would find useful, and while I'll be leveling a new character to get them, I'd much rather that ZOS had respected experienced players.
However, the reason i think they didn't is because its much eaiser to give the rewards to players active enough to level a new character than it is to give retroactive rewards to a bunch of accounts that may or may not be active.
I'm leveling up a new toon. I have the horse, I have all 3 costumes and the crate gave me gems cause I had the mask already.
I'm level 22 now and the only item that I was actually able to get is the storage crate. The scrolls and stuff are character bound so only that character can use them.
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Its great you already had those account-wide items as an experienced player. I don't have all of them and, again, I would have preferred to get the account-wide items retroactively. I'll live with the fact that I have to level a new character in order to get them.0 -
Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
✭VaranisArano wrote: »Juju_beans wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Juju_beans wrote: »All these level up rewards are for NEW players to the game.
No one is missing out on "what they earned" because this is new content for new characters.
Which is a nice way of saying "screw you, old players who already leveled characters with none of the benefits or rewards the new people get."
Sure, we can get the rewards by making a new character which takes away some of the sting. I'm not one to go "In my day, I walked barefoot in the snow 12 miles uphill both ways" when it comes to new players getting something I didn't have. I think the level advisor rewards are good, and if they were all small things like potions and a food recipe, I really wouldn't care.
Its the big rewards, like the costumes and the crown crates and the prisoner's style that bug me. Those are something that all players would find useful, and while I'll be leveling a new character to get them, I'd much rather that ZOS had respected experienced players.
However, the reason i think they didn't is because its much eaiser to give the rewards to players active enough to level a new character than it is to give retroactive rewards to a bunch of accounts that may or may not be active.
I'm leveling up a new toon. I have the horse, I have all 3 costumes and the crate gave me gems cause I had the mask already.
I'm level 22 now and the only item that I was actually able to get is the storage crate. The scrolls and stuff are character bound so only that character can use them.
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Its great you already had those account-wide items as an experienced player. I don't have all of them and, again, I would have preferred to get the account-wide items retroactively. I'll live with the fact that I have to level a new character in order to get them.
I started playing last May 2017. I don't consider myself an "experienced player" by any means as I've only been playing for 10 months.
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Juju_beans wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Juju_beans wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Juju_beans wrote: »All these level up rewards are for NEW players to the game.
No one is missing out on "what they earned" because this is new content for new characters.
Which is a nice way of saying "screw you, old players who already leveled characters with none of the benefits or rewards the new people get."
Sure, we can get the rewards by making a new character which takes away some of the sting. I'm not one to go "In my day, I walked barefoot in the snow 12 miles uphill both ways" when it comes to new players getting something I didn't have. I think the level advisor rewards are good, and if they were all small things like potions and a food recipe, I really wouldn't care.
Its the big rewards, like the costumes and the crown crates and the prisoner's style that bug me. Those are something that all players would find useful, and while I'll be leveling a new character to get them, I'd much rather that ZOS had respected experienced players.
However, the reason i think they didn't is because its much eaiser to give the rewards to players active enough to level a new character than it is to give retroactive rewards to a bunch of accounts that may or may not be active.
I'm leveling up a new toon. I have the horse, I have all 3 costumes and the crate gave me gems cause I had the mask already.
I'm level 22 now and the only item that I was actually able to get is the storage crate. The scrolls and stuff are character bound so only that character can use them.
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Its great you already had those account-wide items as an experienced player. I don't have all of them and, again, I would have preferred to get the account-wide items retroactively. I'll live with the fact that I have to level a new character in order to get them.
I started playing last May 2017. I don't consider myself an "experienced player" by any means as I've only been playing for 10 months.
Okay. I've been playing since...hmm, November 2015, according to Steam. I can't believe its been so long.0 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭KiraTsukasa wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »The skill point awarded by the Morrowind tutorial mission is just a replacement for the one you get at the end of the original tutorial quest.
Nope. Pre-Morrowind characters will not be able to get that skill point, and morrowind characters can still get the point from the original tutorial. This has been known for almost a year.
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Skills
"Playing or skipping Broken Bonds (1 Skill Point, only available to new Morrowind characters)"
Yes, only new players get that quest. However, they DO NOT have access to the Coldharbour tutorial quest that gave you a skill point at the end. After all is said and done, it's the same skill point. You're not missing anything.
So you are saying they fixed the extra skill point from Morrowind launch? New characters got both skill points when Morrowind launched, giving them one more max skill point than old characters. This was well established.
Whatever. It doesn't matter. It's off topic anyway.
Huh? You make an assertion that might not be true, get asked for clarification, and resort to "whatever"? If you don't know what you are talking about, don't offer up claims in the first place.
And it isn't off topic in that is shows that ZOS has shown a tolerance in the past for giving benefits to newer characters that old characters cannot get.1 -
KiraTsukasa✭✭✭✭✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »The skill point awarded by the Morrowind tutorial mission is just a replacement for the one you get at the end of the original tutorial quest.
Nope. Pre-Morrowind characters will not be able to get that skill point, and morrowind characters can still get the point from the original tutorial. This has been known for almost a year.
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Skills
"Playing or skipping Broken Bonds (1 Skill Point, only available to new Morrowind characters)"
Yes, only new players get that quest. However, they DO NOT have access to the Coldharbour tutorial quest that gave you a skill point at the end. After all is said and done, it's the same skill point. You're not missing anything.
So you are saying they fixed the extra skill point from Morrowind launch? New characters got both skill points when Morrowind launched, giving them one more max skill point than old characters. This was well established.
Whatever. It doesn't matter. It's off topic anyway.
Huh? You make an assertion that might not be true, get asked for clarification, and resort to "whatever"? If you don't know what you are talking about, don't offer up claims in the first place.
And it isn't off topic in that is shows that ZOS has shown a tolerance in the past for giving benefits to newer characters that old characters cannot get.
It's off topic that this thread is about level up rewards not skill points. If you want to talk about something else, take it out of this thread. Thanks.0 -
Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
✭ESO is not the first and only MMO to offer incentives to new players.
When a game first comes out everyone is on the same level playing field.
As a game ages though brand new players may feel left behind and/or lost.
These days when you ask a newb question in zone chat you either get a good answer, a totally bogus answer or you get called names.
Veteran players aren't too welcoming to brand new players these days in most MMO's.
So most new players just keep to themselves and try to figure out how to play the game, allocate points, find out who to quest with.
When I started playing and made it to Daggerfall I saw folks riding around on horses. I asked in zone how to get a horse and how it worked (riding skill/requirements/etc.) I still remember the first response from someone "Walk til you're level 50 scrub". yeah..I didn't ask many more questions in zone chat about how to play.3 -
KiraTsukasa✭✭✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »oh look... another entitlement thread....
#nothingtoseehere move on.
Oh, wonderful, I was wondering how long it would take for one of you to show up. And I'm ready for you.
It's not entitlement when you've already satisfied the conditions for the earnings.0 -
jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭KiraTsukasa wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »oh look... another entitlement thread....
#nothingtoseehere move on.
Oh, wonderful, I was wondering how long it would take for one of you to show up. And I'm ready for you.
It's not entitlement when you've already satisfied the conditions for the earnings.
hmm..
the thing is for new players... NEW PLAYERS
if you already have done it you are not a NEW PLAYER
jeeezzz....some people.0 -
KiraTsukasa✭✭✭✭✭Juju_beans wrote: »ESO is not the first and only MMO to offer incentives to new players.
When a game first comes out everyone is on the same level playing field.
As a game ages though brand new players may feel left behind and/or lost.
These days when you ask a newb question in zone chat you either get a good answer, a totally bogus answer or you get called names.
Veteran players aren't too welcoming to brand new players these days in most MMO's.
So most new players just keep to themselves and try to figure out how to play the game, allocate points, find out who to quest with.
When I started playing and made it to Daggerfall I saw folks riding around on horses. I asked in zone how to get a horse and how it worked (riding skill/requirements/etc.) I still remember the first response from someone "Walk til you're level 50 scrub". yeah..I didn't ask many more questions in zone chat about how to play.
Just because other games do it, doesn't make it right.0 -
Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
✭KiraTsukasa wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »oh look... another entitlement thread....
#nothingtoseehere move on.
Oh, wonderful, I was wondering how long it would take for one of you to show up. And I'm ready for you.
It's not entitlement when you've already satisfied the conditions for the earnings.
But you didn't. This is not retroactive. It only applies to new characters created after the patch went live.
Those are the conditions.
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jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭KiraTsukasa wrote: »Juju_beans wrote: »ESO is not the first and only MMO to offer incentives to new players.
When a game first comes out everyone is on the same level playing field.
As a game ages though brand new players may feel left behind and/or lost.
These days when you ask a newb question in zone chat you either get a good answer, a totally bogus answer or you get called names.
Veteran players aren't too welcoming to brand new players these days in most MMO's.
So most new players just keep to themselves and try to figure out how to play the game, allocate points, find out who to quest with.
When I started playing and made it to Daggerfall I saw folks riding around on horses. I asked in zone how to get a horse and how it worked (riding skill/requirements/etc.) I still remember the first response from someone "Walk til you're level 50 scrub". yeah..I didn't ask many more questions in zone chat about how to play.
Just because other games do it, doesn't make it right.
yes it does.0 -
KiraTsukasa✭✭✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »oh look... another entitlement thread....
#nothingtoseehere move on.
Oh, wonderful, I was wondering how long it would take for one of you to show up. And I'm ready for you.
It's not entitlement when you've already satisfied the conditions for the earnings.
hmm..
the thing is for new players... NEW PLAYERS
if you already have done it you are not a NEW PLAYER
jeeezzz....some people.
If "new players" was the condition, then the system would be limited to accounts created after the date of the update.
Any other "logic" you want to throw out there?1 -
Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
✭KiraTsukasa wrote: »Juju_beans wrote: »ESO is not the first and only MMO to offer incentives to new players.
When a game first comes out everyone is on the same level playing field.
As a game ages though brand new players may feel left behind and/or lost.
These days when you ask a newb question in zone chat you either get a good answer, a totally bogus answer or you get called names.
Veteran players aren't too welcoming to brand new players these days in most MMO's.
So most new players just keep to themselves and try to figure out how to play the game, allocate points, find out who to quest with.
When I started playing and made it to Daggerfall I saw folks riding around on horses. I asked in zone how to get a horse and how it worked (riding skill/requirements/etc.) I still remember the first response from someone "Walk til you're level 50 scrub". yeah..I didn't ask many more questions in zone chat about how to play.
Just because other games do it, doesn't make it right.
There's no right or wrong here. You want the new stuff then create a new character and level it up.
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KiraTsukasa✭✭✭✭✭Juju_beans wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »oh look... another entitlement thread....
#nothingtoseehere move on.
Oh, wonderful, I was wondering how long it would take for one of you to show up. And I'm ready for you.
It's not entitlement when you've already satisfied the conditions for the earnings.
But you didn't. This is not retroactive. It only applies to new characters created after the patch went live.
Those are the conditions.
The conditions are "reach X level". I've already reached X level, I've satisfied the conditions.1 -
jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭KiraTsukasa wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »oh look... another entitlement thread....
#nothingtoseehere move on.
Oh, wonderful, I was wondering how long it would take for one of you to show up. And I'm ready for you.
It's not entitlement when you've already satisfied the conditions for the earnings.
hmm..
the thing is for new players... NEW PLAYERS
if you already have done it you are not a NEW PLAYER
jeeezzz....some people.
If "new players" was the condition, then the system would be limited to accounts created after the date of the update.
Any other "logic" you want to throw out there?
the system is there to encourage new players. fact.
if you want to gain those benefits you can make a new toon and get them. personally i think zos is being over generous there. but hey, they try to keep the snowflakes happy.0 -
KiraTsukasa✭✭✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »oh look... another entitlement thread....
#nothingtoseehere move on.
Oh, wonderful, I was wondering how long it would take for one of you to show up. And I'm ready for you.
It's not entitlement when you've already satisfied the conditions for the earnings.
hmm..
the thing is for new players... NEW PLAYERS
if you already have done it you are not a NEW PLAYER
jeeezzz....some people.
If "new players" was the condition, then the system would be limited to accounts created after the date of the update.
Any other "logic" you want to throw out there?
the system is there to encourage new players. fact.
if you want to gain those benefits you can make a new toon and get them. personally i think zos is being over generous there. but hey, they try to keep the snowflakes happy.
If I make a new character, that doesn't make me a new player. I'm still the same player I was, just on a character I don't want to play to do things that I've already accomplished. As I already stated, if this was for new players, it would limit account creation date.0 -
Juju_beans✭✭✭✭✭
✭KiraTsukasa wrote: »Juju_beans wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »oh look... another entitlement thread....
#nothingtoseehere move on.
Oh, wonderful, I was wondering how long it would take for one of you to show up. And I'm ready for you.
It's not entitlement when you've already satisfied the conditions for the earnings.
But you didn't. This is not retroactive. It only applies to new characters created after the patch went live.
Those are the conditions.
The conditions are "reach X level". I've already reached X level, I've satisfied the conditions.
No they are not. Here's a thread where zos confirmed and clarified that it was for new characters leveling up, not retroactive to maxed out characters.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/388079/the-new-leveling-advisor/p11 -
KiraTsukasa✭✭✭✭✭Juju_beans wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »Juju_beans wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »oh look... another entitlement thread....
#nothingtoseehere move on.
Oh, wonderful, I was wondering how long it would take for one of you to show up. And I'm ready for you.
It's not entitlement when you've already satisfied the conditions for the earnings.
But you didn't. This is not retroactive. It only applies to new characters created after the patch went live.
Those are the conditions.
The conditions are "reach X level". I've already reached X level, I've satisfied the conditions.
No they are not. Here's a thread where zos confirmed and clarified that it was for new characters leveling up, not retroactive to maxed out characters.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/388079/the-new-leveling-advisor/p1
I KNOW it's not retroactive. THAT'S THE PROBLEM! Can you not read?0 -
jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭KiraTsukasa wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »oh look... another entitlement thread....
#nothingtoseehere move on.
Oh, wonderful, I was wondering how long it would take for one of you to show up. And I'm ready for you.
It's not entitlement when you've already satisfied the conditions for the earnings.
hmm..
the thing is for new players... NEW PLAYERS
if you already have done it you are not a NEW PLAYER
jeeezzz....some people.
If "new players" was the condition, then the system would be limited to accounts created after the date of the update.
Any other "logic" you want to throw out there?
the system is there to encourage new players. fact.
if you want to gain those benefits you can make a new toon and get them. personally i think zos is being over generous there. but hey, they try to keep the snowflakes happy.
If I make a new character, that doesn't make me a new player. I'm still the same player I was, just on a character I don't want to play to do things that I've already accomplished. As I already stated, if this was for new players, it would limit account creation date.
jeez, read the zos announcement on it and accept that you are just whining for the sake of it...1 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »KiraTsukasa wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »oh look... another entitlement thread....
#nothingtoseehere move on.
Oh, wonderful, I was wondering how long it would take for one of you to show up. And I'm ready for you.
It's not entitlement when you've already satisfied the conditions for the earnings.
hmm..
the thing is for new players... NEW PLAYERS
if you already have done it you are not a NEW PLAYER
jeeezzz....some people.
If "new players" was the condition, then the system would be limited to accounts created after the date of the update.
Any other "logic" you want to throw out there?
the system is there to encourage new players. fact.
if you want to gain those benefits you can make a new toon and get them. personally i think zos is being over generous there. but hey, they try to keep the snowflakes happy.
If I make a new character, that doesn't make me a new player. I'm still the same player I was, just on a character I don't want to play to do things that I've already accomplished. As I already stated, if this was for new players, it would limit account creation date.
jeez, read the zos announcement on it and accept that you are just whining for the sake of it...
I don't think Kira's mind is going to be changed. Might as well give it up.
Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake1 -
KiraTsukasa✭✭✭✭✭You know what, screw the whole damn thing.
ZOS, lock this thread. And while you're at it, ban *** like this from the forums.0
