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ZOS Plz Consider Medium Armor Adjust
Vapirko
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Even though steps were taken to shift the heavy armor meta it really hasn’t worked all that well. In terms of stats in heavy vs medium, you’re really not giving up much in heavy just a little crit and some wpn damage but overall heavy is still better in general. It’s definitely closer now than it was a few patches ago, but medium could still use a slight boost to bring it up to speed. IMO there is a pretty easy solution and that is to alter the useless sneak reduction passive. Now before all you sneaky people fly off the handle, there is already a sneak cost reduction in the ledgerdmain and it would make far more sense to add in the reduced radius detection there as well and alter the passive as needed so all the thieves can go on with their lives. Now, some ideas for replacing the Improved Sneak passive in medium armor: dot reduction, aoe mitigation, increased phys pen, increased phy resists etc. I’m sure others can come up with more useful or creative ideas. Heavy and light both have five passives that are fully viable all the time. Sneaking is viable only in niche PvE settings and for NBs but as I’ve mentioned it makes more sense to have the legerdemain passive altered. Medium needs to step up and be the premier damage type armor for stamina builds.
Edit: and no heavy does not need a nerf in case you decide to read into my post too far.
Edited by Vapirko on February 25, 2018 3:12PM Edit: and no heavy does not need a nerf in case you decide to read into my post too far.
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭i need my sneak passives that medium armor gives me in pvp, just because YOU dont like it nor use it does not mean it should be removed.
please stop trying to take that away.Edited by Gilvoth on February 25, 2018 3:19PM6 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »i need my sneak passives that medium armor gives me in pvp, just because YOU dont like it nor use it does not mean it should be removed.
please stop trying to take that away.
Holy *** did you even read the post or are you just trolling.19 -
raasdal✭✭✭✭✭
✭Completely agree.
The fix is pretty easy to me. Just take a lesson from Light Armor, which IMO is very balanced atm vs heavy.
What medium armor needs, is more damage. The Crit and 12% Wp Dmg is just not enough. I have not made any calculations, but just buff up Medium, so that it gives the same total damage buff as Light Armor, and everything will be fine.PC - EU
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »i need my sneak passives that medium armor gives me in pvp, just because YOU dont like it nor use it does not mean it should be removed.
please stop trying to take that away.
Holy *** did you even read the post or are you just trolling.
yes, i read it before i commented.
please stop trying to change the medium armor passives.1 -
kessik221✭✭✭Medium armor passives do need an overhaul. They could start with evasion. Having a random chance to negate damage is neither skillful, fun to play, or fun to play against. Instead of just scrapping this skill, I would rather see it have a 100% chance to dodge for something like 4 seconds, but have an insanely high cast cost, like around 4500-5000 stamina. Keep the morphs more or less the same, with one offering snare\immobilization immunity and one increasing the effects duration by 2-3 seconds. This allows more choice to the player but also allows the enemy to have a chance to counter.0 -
Aztlan✭✭✭✭I'm a sneaky Nightblade, and I completely agree. Put the sneak passives (except racials) in the Legardemain tree.2 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Completely agree.
The fix is pretty easy to me. Just take a lesson from Light Armor, which IMO is very balanced atm vs heavy.
What medium armor needs, is more damage. The Crit and 12% Wp Dmg is just not enough.
oh i absolutely agree we need more damage. but the stealth passives and sneak speeds and stealth class passives are a must have for us stealthers.
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✭✭✭ZOS tried to buff medium armor this patch by making dodge roll so much more useful in PVP.
However, Tumbling and Well-Fitted exist and are quite powerful. Heavy Armor users are hardly locked out of dodge rolling Power Lashes, pigeons, etc.
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✭✭✭I think medium is kinda fine, the only thing which needs to be tuned down are Defile builds.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.6 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »Completely agree.
The fix is pretty easy to me. Just take a lesson from Light Armor, which IMO is very balanced atm vs heavy.
What medium armor needs, is more damage. The Crit and 12% Wp Dmg is just not enough.
oh i absolutely agree we need more damage. but the stealth passives and sneak speeds and stealth class passives are a must have for us stealthers.
Again do you read? The sneak passives would go into ledgerdmain problem solved.2 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Medium armor passives do need an overhaul. They could start with evasion. Having a random chance to negate damage is neither skillful, fun to play, or fun to play against. Instead of just scrapping this skill, I would rather see it have a 100% chance to dodge for something like 4 seconds, but have an insanely high cast cost, like around 4500-5000 stamina. Keep the morphs more or less the same, with one offering snare\immobilization immunity and one increasing the effects duration by 2-3 seconds. This allows more choice to the player but also allows the enemy to have a chance to counter.
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✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »i need my sneak passives that medium armor gives me in pvp, just because YOU dont like it nor use it does not mean it should be removed.
please stop trying to take that away.
Holy *** did you even read the post or are you just trolling.
yes, i read it before i commented.
please stop trying to change the medium armor passives.
Well if you read it then you didn’t comprehend it well. For you stealthers nothing would change. Your passive would simply be under ledgerdmain which you should have anyway if you like sneaking and thieving.2 -
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✭Medium is great, dodge rolling is so strong. It does not need more damage. It needs better sets associated with the line.8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »i need my sneak passives that medium armor gives me in pvp, just because YOU dont like it nor use it does not mean it should be removed.
please stop trying to take that away.
Holy *** did you even read the post or are you just trolling.
yes, i read it before i commented.
please stop trying to change the medium armor passives.
Well if you read it then you didn’t comprehend it well. For you stealthers nothing would change. Your passive would simply be under ledgerdmain which you should have anyway if you like sneaking and thieving.
you do not like medium armor the way it is.
i do.
please leave medium armor alone.1 -
Mazbt✭✭✭✭I think medium needs natural crit resist or physical resist in the passives. They can tag on those 2 things on existing passives. Better sets that are aren't a joke damage proc set. Only couple of good medium sets out there.Edited by Mazbt on February 25, 2018 6:19PMMazari the Resurrected (AD)- PVP stamplar main
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✭✭✭It’s a terrible passive that doesn’t help in actual combat, remove it. Sneaking is a playstyle for players who are not only bad but also cowardly.8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No. If you buff medium armor, all you’ll be doing is buffing Stam nightblades.. who really don’t need a buff right now.
Medium is not meant to take damage. It’s meant to help you avoid damage by dodging, kiting, and killing your opponents.
If you are trying to mitigate damage in medium then it is a learn to play issue and you should switch to heavy.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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Sixty5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭How about a nice juicy general movespeed buff for those in medium armour?
That would be pretty tasty.Lord and Savior of the Association of Serious S***posters.
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✭✭✭✭✭How about a nice juicy general movespeed buff for those in medium armour?
That would be pretty tasty.
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Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No. If you buff medium armor, all you’ll be doing is buffing Stam nightblades.. who really don’t need a buff right now.
Medium is not meant to take damage. It’s meant to help you avoid damage by dodging, kiting, and killing your opponents.
If you are trying to mitigate damage in medium then it is a learn to play issue and you should switch to heavy.
This is now a Stamina nightblade buff thread!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »i need my sneak passives that medium armor gives me in pvp, just because YOU dont like it nor use it does not mean it should be removed.
please stop trying to take that away.
But he said it was *useless* so clearly it can't be useful for anyone ...
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✭✭✭✭✭No. If you buff medium armor, all you’ll be doing is buffing Stam nightblades.. who really don’t need a buff right now.
Medium is not meant to take damage. It’s meant to help you avoid damage by dodging, kiting, and killing your opponents.
If you are trying to mitigate damage in medium then it is a learn to play issue and you should switch to heavy.
Thats a separate issue. Medium armor shouldn't be gimped because of one class.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »dwemer_paleologist wrote: »i need my sneak passives that medium armor gives me in pvp, just because YOU dont like it nor use it does not mean it should be removed.
please stop trying to take that away.
Holy *** did you even read the post or are you just trolling.
yes, i read it before i commented.
please stop trying to change the medium armor passives.
Well if you read it then you didn’t comprehend it well. For you stealthers nothing would change. Your passive would simply be under ledgerdmain which you should have anyway if you like sneaking and thieving.
you do not like medium armor the way it is.
i do.
please leave medium armor alone.
Too many people sneaking around in PvP anyway. The entire AD army tries to invisi-siege. Are you AD? Take away stealth passives.0 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭dwemer_paleologist wrote: »i need my sneak passives that medium armor gives me in pvp, just because YOU dont like it nor use it does not mean it should be removed.
please stop trying to take that away.
But he said it was *useless* so clearly it can't be useful for anyone ...
Sorry, what I meant was, the people who need the sneak passive so badly in PvP are useless and it doesnt matter where they get their sneak passive from they're still gonna get rekt.Edited by Vapirko on February 25, 2018 7:41PM3 -
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✭✭If your main Defense is to roll round on the floor like a monkey then something’s wrong, recently I was wearing a costume and I had removed my medium gear to swap it around but forgot I had done so. Scary thing is that I couldn’t tell the diffrence, it was only when I used the medium ability and the game said I couldn’t that I remembered I had left the gear of.0 -
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✭The sneak passive is debatable since it favors one class mostly. I think medium armor is actually in a good spot, think people confuse lack of sets with medium needing buffs. Medium needs more sets.1 -
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✭✭No. If you buff medium armor, all you’ll be doing is buffing Stam nightblades.. who really don’t need a buff right now.
Medium is not meant to take damage. It’s meant to help you avoid damage by dodging, kiting, and killing your opponents.
If you are trying to mitigate damage in medium then it is a learn to play issue and you should switch to heavy.
Thats a separate issue. Medium armor shouldn't be gimped because of one class.
No that's exactly how things become overperfoming, because things get changed which influence and strengthen things which are totally fine.
Also medium armor is totally fine, the sad thing is that both heavy and medium are pigeon holed into 1 build each.
On heavy you need FM meaning you need to stack healing.
With medium you have to get your resistances up to prevent being a one shot which limits you to some sets which need to be in your build.0 -
Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No. If you buff medium armor, all you’ll be doing is buffing Stam nightblades.. who really don’t need a buff right now.
Medium is not meant to take damage. It’s meant to help you avoid damage by dodging, kiting, and killing your opponents.
If you are trying to mitigate damage in medium then it is a learn to play issue and you should switch to heavy.
Thats a separate issue. Medium armor shouldn't be gimped because of one class.
No that's exactly how things become overperfoming, because things get changed which influence and strengthen things which are totally fine.
Also medium armor is totally fine, the sad thing is that both heavy and medium are pigeon holed into 1 build each.
On heavy you need FM meaning you need to stack healing.
With medium you have to get your resistances up to prevent being a one shot which limits you to some sets which need to be in your build.
So then it’s not really fine.4 -
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✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »I think medium is kinda fine, the only thing which needs to be tuned down are Defile builds.
Agree 100%, Blessed and Befoul CP should both be changed to provide other bonuses, and we can go from therePC NA
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