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Goodbye for Miats?
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Which skill is that?Wreuntzylla wrote: »The majority of people I see complaining in game about gankers have the same common problem.
Stacking stamina or magicka and ignoring health entirely works in a PVE setting where the tank is taking all the heavy damage and a healer is keeping you alive against constant predictable damage, and even then you have to dodge stuff constantly to stay alive. It doesn't work in a PVP environment where the damage is random, the tank can't hold aggro, the healer is trying to cleanse you of Major Defile, and you decided to show up with no anti-crit gear.
Not even that. One, yes ONE skill slot and they never have to worry about getting ganked from stealth again, PvE health or not.
Edited by Bashev on February 13, 2018 8:46PMBecause I can!0 -
Kelces✭✭✭✭✭This time for sure?
I have expected it to disappear at release of Dark Brotherhood already, as some stated back then.90% of the opponent we've faced yersterday in Cyrodiil suddenly became totally unskilled, a total slaughter.
Time to l2p again guys.
Wouldn't surprise me. That addon is just like this:
Now, try to walk again...You reveal yourself best in how you play.
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For the Pact!4 -
exiars10✭✭✭
Even me as new player knows that you don't run around in Cyrodill without Radiant Magelight slotted.
Which skill is that?Wreuntzylla wrote: »The majority of people I see complaining in game about gankers have the same common problem.
Stacking stamina or magicka and ignoring health entirely works in a PVE setting where the tank is taking all the heavy damage and a healer is keeping you alive against constant predictable damage, and even then you have to dodge stuff constantly to stay alive. It doesn't work in a PVP environment where the damage is random, the tank can't hold aggro, the healer is trying to cleanse you of Major Defile, and you decided to show up with no anti-crit gear.
Not even that. One, yes ONE skill slot and they never have to worry about getting ganked from stealth again, PvE health or not.
I don't play ESO since 15.06. because Cyrodiil is broken since Summerset (PvE isn't much better, too)...
Aldmeri Dominion (PC Europe via Steam)
The cowardly Wood Elves are best noted for their unwillingness to engage in a face-to-face attack; a Bosmer will strike at you from every side except the front. You won't cross swords with a Bosmer, but you might catch an arrow in the throat. Be wary in forests and jungles, and watch your back.1 -
Bashev✭✭✭✭✭
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Even me as new player knows that you don't run around in Cyrodill without Radiant Magelight slotted.
Which skill is that?Wreuntzylla wrote: »The majority of people I see complaining in game about gankers have the same common problem.
Stacking stamina or magicka and ignoring health entirely works in a PVE setting where the tank is taking all the heavy damage and a healer is keeping you alive against constant predictable damage, and even then you have to dodge stuff constantly to stay alive. It doesn't work in a PVP environment where the damage is random, the tank can't hold aggro, the healer is trying to cleanse you of Major Defile, and you decided to show up with no anti-crit gear.
Not even that. One, yes ONE skill slot and they never have to worry about getting ganked from stealth again, PvE health or not.
And how does it reduce the damage? After ZoS nerfed the skill, it just prevent the stun from stealth and does not reduce the damage anymore.Because I can!4 -
Hurtfan✭✭✭✭✭incoming gankblade nerf....For the Pact!Keyboard not found, press any key to continue0 -
exiars10✭✭✭
Why should it reduce damage when damage from sneak against players was removed in Morrowind patch, isn't it?
Even me as new player knows that you don't run around in Cyrodill without Radiant Magelight slotted.
Which skill is that?Wreuntzylla wrote: »The majority of people I see complaining in game about gankers have the same common problem.
Stacking stamina or magicka and ignoring health entirely works in a PVE setting where the tank is taking all the heavy damage and a healer is keeping you alive against constant predictable damage, and even then you have to dodge stuff constantly to stay alive. It doesn't work in a PVP environment where the damage is random, the tank can't hold aggro, the healer is trying to cleanse you of Major Defile, and you decided to show up with no anti-crit gear.
Not even that. One, yes ONE skill slot and they never have to worry about getting ganked from stealth again, PvE health or not.
And how does it reduce the damage? After ZoS nerfed the skill, it just prevent the stun from stealth and does not reduce the damage anymore.
If you don't want to be stunned from stealth, slot it.
I don't play ESO since 15.06. because Cyrodiil is broken since Summerset (PvE isn't much better, too)...
Aldmeri Dominion (PC Europe via Steam)
The cowardly Wood Elves are best noted for their unwillingness to engage in a face-to-face attack; a Bosmer will strike at you from every side except the front. You won't cross swords with a Bosmer, but you might catch an arrow in the throat. Be wary in forests and jungles, and watch your back.1 -
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Why should it reduce damage when damage from sneak against players was removed in Morrowind patch, isn't it?
Even me as new player knows that you don't run around in Cyrodill without Radiant Magelight slotted.
Which skill is that?Wreuntzylla wrote: »The majority of people I see complaining in game about gankers have the same common problem.
Stacking stamina or magicka and ignoring health entirely works in a PVE setting where the tank is taking all the heavy damage and a healer is keeping you alive against constant predictable damage, and even then you have to dodge stuff constantly to stay alive. It doesn't work in a PVP environment where the damage is random, the tank can't hold aggro, the healer is trying to cleanse you of Major Defile, and you decided to show up with no anti-crit gear.
Not even that. One, yes ONE skill slot and they never have to worry about getting ganked from stealth again, PvE health or not.
And how does it reduce the damage? After ZoS nerfed the skill, it just prevent the stun from stealth and does not reduce the damage anymore.
If you don't want to be stunned from stealth, slot it.
I just wanted to point out that @Wreuntzylla was wrong. And slotting a single skill will not do anything.Because I can!2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Actually I like that all the bad gankblades have one excuse less now.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Did the change only effect PvP areas? Cause I know there's a similar PvE add-on (raid notifier) that I would love if it got neutered as well.
And why is that exactly? Raid-notifier doesn´t have a negative impact against another players gameplay or experience like Miats.
I´m all against Miat, but it´s not comparable with Raid-notifier......2 -
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✭✭✭Did the change only effect PvP areas? Cause I know there's a similar PvE add-on (raid notifier) that I would love if it got neutered as well.
And why is that exactly? Raid-notifier doesn´t have a negative impact against another players gameplay or experience like Miats.
I´m all against Miat, but it´s not comparable with Raid-notifier......
Agreed. raid notifier is actually important in pve because certain bosses do insta kill charge up attacks and since you cant zoom out enough you cant see the in game notification!3 -
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✭vamp_emily wrote: »i was in Vivec yesterday and snuck up on Miat then ganked him. Apparently his update is not working that well.
This update was def a buff to sorcs
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✭✭✭✭✭Did the change only effect PvP areas? Cause I know there's a similar PvE add-on (raid notifier) that I would love if it got neutered as well.
And why is that exactly? Raid-notifier doesn´t have a negative impact against another players gameplay or experience like Miats.
I´m all against Miat, but it´s not comparable with Raid-notifier......
Agreed. raid notifier is actually important in pve because certain bosses do insta kill charge up attacks and since you cant zoom out enough you cant see the in game notification!
It’s actually no different. If you want to legitimize the use by saying the in game cues are not practical - the very same can be said about audio cues in an environment where the sound cuts regularly.
Raid Notifier is just as much cheating as Miat’s (for the record: I think Miat’s isn’t) - the only difference is NPCs don’t complain.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.8 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Did the change only effect PvP areas? Cause I know there's a similar PvE add-on (raid notifier) that I would love if it got neutered as well.
And why is that exactly? Raid-notifier doesn´t have a negative impact against another players gameplay or experience like Miats.
I´m all against Miat, but it´s not comparable with Raid-notifier......
Agreed. raid notifier is actually important in pve because certain bosses do insta kill charge up attacks and since you cant zoom out enough you cant see the in game notification!
It’s actually no different. If you want to legitimize the use by saying the in game cues are not practical - the very same can be said about audio cues in an environment where the sound cuts regularly.
Raid Notifier is just as much cheating as Miat’s (for the record: I think Miat’s isn’t) - the only difference is NPCs don’t complain.
The audio queues you can hear very well though. I have had no sound cut out in a long while and hear everything just fine. However, until you can zoom out with your tank to see these catastrophic alerts, it is needed. Plus, you are not destroying the NPC bosses build with the add on, miats, you were.
Again , miats negatively effected many players characters. Riad notifier does not. Simple.Edited by Jade1986 on February 14, 2018 12:17PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Well, I’m sure the Serpent would complain that her World Shaper gets called out by the addon, just like players did with the heavy attack and channeling notifications Miat’s provided. And if you have no sound issues in Cyro, good for you - many people have.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.1 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Well, I’m sure the Serpent would complain that her World Shaper gets called out by the addon, just like players did with the heavy attack and channeling notifications Miat’s provided. And if you have no sound issues in Cyro, good for you - many people have.
There is an in game visual queue too in the game now.
Are you really arguing that npc bosses feelings should be accounted for?0 -
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Even me as new player knows that you don't run around in Cyrodill without Radiant Magelight slotted.
Which skill is that?Wreuntzylla wrote: »The majority of people I see complaining in game about gankers have the same common problem.
Stacking stamina or magicka and ignoring health entirely works in a PVE setting where the tank is taking all the heavy damage and a healer is keeping you alive against constant predictable damage, and even then you have to dodge stuff constantly to stay alive. It doesn't work in a PVP environment where the damage is random, the tank can't hold aggro, the healer is trying to cleanse you of Major Defile, and you decided to show up with no anti-crit gear.
Not even that. One, yes ONE skill slot and they never have to worry about getting ganked from stealth again, PvE health or not.
And how does it reduce the damage? After ZoS nerfed the skill, it just prevent the stun from stealth and does not reduce the damage anymore.
Well now gap closers took a huge nerf so the dmg off of gap closer alone might not be as bad0 -
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Even me as new player knows that you don't run around in Cyrodill without Radiant Magelight slotted.
Which skill is that?Wreuntzylla wrote: »The majority of people I see complaining in game about gankers have the same common problem.
Stacking stamina or magicka and ignoring health entirely works in a PVE setting where the tank is taking all the heavy damage and a healer is keeping you alive against constant predictable damage, and even then you have to dodge stuff constantly to stay alive. It doesn't work in a PVP environment where the damage is random, the tank can't hold aggro, the healer is trying to cleanse you of Major Defile, and you decided to show up with no anti-crit gear.
Not even that. One, yes ONE skill slot and they never have to worry about getting ganked from stealth again, PvE health or not.
Man never used it, *one piece headphones*0 -
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✭Cool. This Add-On really had to go. Now they just need to remove sneak in PvP and life's gna be goooooood.Ignorance is the greatest weapon of tyranny.
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Even me as new player knows that you don't run around in Cyrodill without Radiant Magelight slotted.
Which skill is that?Wreuntzylla wrote: »The majority of people I see complaining in game about gankers have the same common problem.
Stacking stamina or magicka and ignoring health entirely works in a PVE setting where the tank is taking all the heavy damage and a healer is keeping you alive against constant predictable damage, and even then you have to dodge stuff constantly to stay alive. It doesn't work in a PVP environment where the damage is random, the tank can't hold aggro, the healer is trying to cleanse you of Major Defile, and you decided to show up with no anti-crit gear.
Not even that. One, yes ONE skill slot and they never have to worry about getting ganked from stealth again, PvE health or not.
some classes can't just give up an ability slot just to counter stealth. Not everyone has the luxury to use that without losing something else. Just like saying that everyone must use shieldbreaker for mag builds, but u r losing another important set which is needed against stam builds.-PC EU- / battlegrounds on my youtube0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Well, I’m sure the Serpent would complain that her World Shaper gets called out by the addon, just like players did with the heavy attack and channeling notifications Miat’s provided. And if you have no sound issues in Cyro, good for you - many people have.
There is an in game visual queue too in the game now.
Are you really arguing that npc bosses feelings should be accounted for?
No I’m arguing that Raid Notifier is the same level of cheating. If you want to call it cheating, which I’m not doing.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.0 -
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✭incoming gankblade nerf....
lmao. If they nerfed gankblades because an addon is no longer available too those who rely on an addon too play the game well, they're done. What will likely happen is they will buff sorc.
Because lets face it, when they nerf sorc they buff it, when they buff it they buff it. You cannot nerf sorcs and so everyone will suddenly run sorcs AGAIN.
*sigh*
Sorcs are skillful ....hahahahhahahaAh, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭incoming gankblade nerf....
lmao. If they nerfed gankblades because an addon is no longer available too those who rely on an addon too play the game well, they're done. What will likely happen is they will buff sorc.
Because lets face it, when they nerf sorc they buff it, when they buff it they buff it. You cannot nerf sorcs and so everyone will suddenly run sorcs AGAIN.
*sigh*
Sorcs are skillful ....hahahahhahaha
Certainly more skillful than sniping an already engaged player from Nikel rooftop.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.1 -
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✭✭incoming gankblade nerf....
lmao. If they nerfed gankblades because an addon is no longer available too those who rely on an addon too play the game well, they're done. What will likely happen is they will buff sorc.
Because lets face it, when they nerf sorc they buff it, when they buff it they buff it. You cannot nerf sorcs and so everyone will suddenly run sorcs AGAIN.
*sigh*
Sorcs are skillful ....hahahahhahaha
Certainly more skillful than sniping an already engaged player from Nikel rooftop.
By spamming endless fury+ curse on them next to the sniper?
Edited by BohnT on February 14, 2018 3:36PM0 -
AddictionX✭✭✭✭I dont even play PC and it disgusts me that this app actually got banned. I also understand it did more than just stop ganks but they could have had regulations for it put in.Im am 100% apposed to ganking and fully belive stealth and the class that depends on it holds this game back. Ganking from stealth is such a toxic mechanic.
The app wasn't banned at all. They just removed the ability for mods to notify people of attacks before they get hit with them.
The app still exists and works fine. It just doesn't yell at you and say "HEY THERE'S AN ARROW COMING THIS WAY DODGE IN 3...2...1... NOW!"
Additionally, literally every class can gank from stealth. It's a common ability that everyone has access to. Nightblades simply have a little extra stealth damage and the ability to reenter it during combat.
Regardless if everyone can use stealth or not its still toxic imo. Game would be better without it.
Tanks that heal and deal lots of damage with endless sutain is way more toxic playstyle in my opinion.
Got to fight cancer with cancer. If you didn't notice tanks that heal and drain the hp bar down enough to burst down cause the ganker is a glass cannon is simply giving the tank room to outplay the ganker.
Mind you its really easy to outplay a typical ganker they all have similar if not the same copy paste rotation. With lag which really helps the gank, its pretty easy to know whats comming. They die pretty easy even with low weapon damage for the most part.
Glad we have a counter to those playstyles. Edited by AddictionX on February 14, 2018 3:22PM1 -
randomkeyhits✭✭✭✭✭incoming gankblade nerf....
lmao. If they nerfed gankblades because an addon is no longer available too those who rely on an addon too play the game well, they're done. What will likely happen is they will buff sorc.
Because lets face it, when they nerf sorc they buff it, when they buff it they buff it. You cannot nerf sorcs and so everyone will suddenly run sorcs AGAIN.
*sigh*
Sorcs are skillful ....hahahahhahaha
Certainly more skillful than sniping an already engaged player from Nikel rooftop.
You mean teamwork? That is certainly skilful.
Or having a tanky player kite some enemies to an agreed spot where 3 or more coldharbour are targetted?
Organisation, teamwork, communication, depends on what you decide the game is really.EU PS40
