vamp_emily wrote: »i was in Vivec yesterday and snuck up on Miat then ganked him. Apparently his update is not working that well.
I dont even play PC and it disgusts me that this app actually got banned. I also understand it did more than just stop ganks but they could have had regulations for it put in.Im am 100% apposed to ganking and fully belive stealth and the class that depends on it holds this game back. Ganking from stealth is such a toxic mechanic.
The app wasn't banned at all. They just removed the ability for mods to notify people of attacks before they get hit with them.
The app still exists and works fine. It just doesn't yell at you and say "HEY THERE'S AN ARROW COMING THIS WAY DODGE IN 3...2...1... NOW!"
Additionally, literally every class can gank from stealth. It's a common ability that everyone has access to. Nightblades simply have a little extra stealth damage and the ability to reenter it during combat.
I dont even play PC and it disgusts me that this app actually got banned. I also understand it did more than just stop ganks but they could have had regulations for it put in.Im am 100% apposed to ganking and fully belive stealth and the class that depends on it holds this game back. Ganking from stealth is such a toxic mechanic.
I dont even play PC and it disgusts me that this app actually got banned. I also understand it did more than just stop ganks but they could have had regulations for it put in.Im am 100% apposed to ganking and fully belive stealth and the class that depends on it holds this game back. Ganking from stealth is such a toxic mechanic.
The app wasn't banned at all. They just removed the ability for mods to notify people of attacks before they get hit with them.
The app still exists and works fine. It just doesn't yell at you and say "HEY THERE'S AN ARROW COMING THIS WAY DODGE IN 3...2...1... NOW!"
Additionally, literally every class can gank from stealth. It's a common ability that everyone has access to. Nightblades simply have a little extra stealth damage and the ability to reenter it during combat.
Regardless if everyone can use stealth or not its still toxic imo. Game would be better without it.
F_16C_VIPER wrote: »I dont even play PC and it disgusts me that this app actually got banned. I also understand it did more than just stop ganks but they could have had regulations for it put in.Im am 100% apposed to ganking and fully belive stealth and the class that depends on it holds this game back. Ganking from stealth is such a toxic mechanic.
The app wasn't banned at all. They just removed the ability for mods to notify people of attacks before they get hit with them.
The app still exists and works fine. It just doesn't yell at you and say "HEY THERE'S AN ARROW COMING THIS WAY DODGE IN 3...2...1... NOW!"
Additionally, literally every class can gank from stealth. It's a common ability that everyone has access to. Nightblades simply have a little extra stealth damage and the ability to reenter it during combat.
Regardless if everyone can use stealth or not its still toxic imo. Game would be better without it.
So it's toxic just because you are unable to properly counter it? Stealth is broken by a multitude of different things. It's the class-defining skill of nightblades and adds a tiny bit of survivability they so desperately need. By your logic, any skill that you haven't learned to properly counter is "toxic."
I dont even play PC and it disgusts me that this app actually got banned. I also understand it did more than just stop ganks but they could have had regulations for it put in.Im am 100% apposed to ganking and fully belive stealth and the class that depends on it holds this game back. Ganking from stealth is such a toxic mechanic.
The app wasn't banned at all. They just removed the ability for mods to notify people of attacks before they get hit with them.
The app still exists and works fine. It just doesn't yell at you and say "HEY THERE'S AN ARROW COMING THIS WAY DODGE IN 3...2...1... NOW!"
Additionally, literally every class can gank from stealth. It's a common ability that everyone has access to. Nightblades simply have a little extra stealth damage and the ability to reenter it during combat.
Regardless if everyone can use stealth or not its still toxic imo. Game would be better without it.
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Wonder what the next thing PVP cry's about will be.
I dont even play PC and it disgusts me that this app actually got banned. I also understand it did more than just stop ganks but they could have had regulations for it put in.Im am 100% apposed to ganking and fully belive stealth and the class that depends on it holds this game back. Ganking from stealth is such a toxic mechanic.
The app wasn't banned at all. They just removed the ability for mods to notify people of attacks before they get hit with them.
The app still exists and works fine. It just doesn't yell at you and say "HEY THERE'S AN ARROW COMING THIS WAY DODGE IN 3...2...1... NOW!"
Additionally, literally every class can gank from stealth. It's a common ability that everyone has access to. Nightblades simply have a little extra stealth damage and the ability to reenter it during combat.
Regardless if everyone can use stealth or not its still toxic imo. Game would be better without it.
I dont even play PC and it disgusts me that this app actually got banned. I also understand it did more than just stop ganks but they could have had regulations for it put in.Im am 100% apposed to ganking and fully belive stealth and the class that depends on it holds this game back. Ganking from stealth is such a toxic mechanic.
The app wasn't banned at all. They just removed the ability for mods to notify people of attacks before they get hit with them.
The app still exists and works fine. It just doesn't yell at you and say "HEY THERE'S AN ARROW COMING THIS WAY DODGE IN 3...2...1... NOW!"
Additionally, literally every class can gank from stealth. It's a common ability that everyone has access to. Nightblades simply have a little extra stealth damage and the ability to reenter it during combat.
Regardless if everyone can use stealth or not its still toxic imo. Game would be better without it.
I dont even play PC and it disgusts me that this app actually got banned. I also understand it did more than just stop ganks but they could have had regulations for it put in.Im am 100% apposed to ganking and fully belive stealth and the class that depends on it holds this game back. Ganking from stealth is such a toxic mechanic.
The app wasn't banned at all. They just removed the ability for mods to notify people of attacks before they get hit with them.
The app still exists and works fine. It just doesn't yell at you and say "HEY THERE'S AN ARROW COMING THIS WAY DODGE IN 3...2...1... NOW!"
Additionally, literally every class can gank from stealth. It's a common ability that everyone has access to. Nightblades simply have a little extra stealth damage and the ability to reenter it during combat.
Regardless if everyone can use stealth or not its still toxic imo. Game would be better without it.
Most 'toxic' aspect of ganking
is that people routinely insult and degrade those who use a game mechanic as intended
because they do not want to utilize any of the numerous counter mechanics available
Even with Miat's tweaked to no longer circumvent stealth mechanics
the in-game counters are still present
skilled players will be fine
I dont even play PC and it disgusts me that this app actually got banned. I also understand it did more than just stop ganks but they could have had regulations for it put in.Im am 100% apposed to ganking and fully belive stealth and the class that depends on it holds this game back. Ganking from stealth is such a toxic mechanic.
The app wasn't banned at all. They just removed the ability for mods to notify people of attacks before they get hit with them.
The app still exists and works fine. It just doesn't yell at you and say "HEY THERE'S AN ARROW COMING THIS WAY DODGE IN 3...2...1... NOW!"
Additionally, literally every class can gank from stealth. It's a common ability that everyone has access to. Nightblades simply have a little extra stealth damage and the ability to reenter it during combat.
Regardless if everyone can use stealth or not its still toxic imo. Game would be better without it.
Most 'toxic' aspect of ganking
is that people routinely insult and degrade those who use a game mechanic as intended
because they do not want to utilize any of the numerous counter mechanics available
Even with Miat's tweaked to no longer circumvent stealth mechanics
the in-game counters are still present
skilled players will be fine
Never said i dont use counters
Never said i wasnt skilled enough to deal with it.
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I dont like stealth in ESO, weather i can or cant handle it doesnt matter. I still think it is a detriment to the game, and regardless if how many players use it skillfully or not i still find it a toxic playstyle imo.
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Wonder what the next thing PVP cry's about will be.
PvE carebears trying to make PvP responsible for everything
vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Probably not everything, but the majority of the worst PVE nerfs were with PVP in mind.
That's the point of an "ASSASSIN" class. Nightblades are assassins. Our passives and skills rely on stealth. We have an "Assassin" skill tree. One of our passives is called "Master Assassin". Did you know our spell damage and weapon damage is increased while in stealth for NBs? To say it's a toxic mechanic is foolish. I get ganked all the time but I have learned to listen and "dodge" their attack and shield up. If you still die on the daily to multiple gank attempts, you are doing something wrong like not keeping your shield/buffs up because gankers watch peoples health bars. They wont attack just anyone so you are a tempting pice of meat that is easy to kill. There are several alternatives to fighting a ganker. Don't be lazy and just cry about it.I dont even play PC and it disgusts me that this app actually got banned. I also understand it did more than just stop ganks but they could have had regulations for it put in.Im am 100% apposed to ganking and fully belive stealth and the class that depends on it holds this game back. Ganking from stealth is such a toxic mechanic.
vamp_emily wrote: »i was in Vivec yesterday and snuck up on Miat then ganked him. Apparently his update is not working that well.
I dont even play PC and it disgusts me that this app actually got banned. I also understand it did more than just stop ganks but they could have had regulations for it put in.Im am 100% apposed to ganking and fully belive stealth and the class that depends on it holds this game back. Ganking from stealth is such a toxic mechanic.
The app wasn't banned at all. They just removed the ability for mods to notify people of attacks before they get hit with them.
The app still exists and works fine. It just doesn't yell at you and say "HEY THERE'S AN ARROW COMING THIS WAY DODGE IN 3...2...1... NOW!"
Additionally, literally every class can gank from stealth. It's a common ability that everyone has access to. Nightblades simply have a little extra stealth damage and the ability to reenter it during combat.
Regardless if everyone can use stealth or not its still toxic imo. Game would be better without it.
I dont even play PC and it disgusts me that this app actually got banned. I also understand it did more than just stop ganks but they could have had regulations for it put in.Im am 100% apposed to ganking and fully belive stealth and the class that depends on it holds this game back. Ganking from stealth is such a toxic mechanic.
The app wasn't banned at all. They just removed the ability for mods to notify people of attacks before they get hit with them.
The app still exists and works fine. It just doesn't yell at you and say "HEY THERE'S AN ARROW COMING THIS WAY DODGE IN 3...2...1... NOW!"
Additionally, literally every class can gank from stealth. It's a common ability that everyone has access to. Nightblades simply have a little extra stealth damage and the ability to reenter it during combat.
Regardless if everyone can use stealth or not its still toxic imo. Game would be better without it.
Most 'toxic' aspect of ganking
is that people routinely insult and degrade those who use a game mechanic as intended
because they do not want to utilize any of the numerous counter mechanics available
Even with Miat's tweaked to no longer circumvent stealth mechanics
the in-game counters are still present
skilled players will be fine
Never said i dont use counters
Never said i wasnt skilled enough to deal with it.
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Never made either of those statements about you, either
had already presumed such, as you did not have access to Miat's in the first place, according to your signature
My statements remains accurate...
I dont like stealth in ESO, weather i can or cant handle it doesnt matter. I still think it is a detriment to the game, and regardless if how many players use it skillfully or not i still find it a toxic playstyle imo.
Well, at least we are in agreement on something here
Whether you can or cant handle stealth does not matter, as it was never called into question
That you do not like it whether or not you can handle it does not matter either tho --
your personal feelings cannot be the basis for a definition of community toxicity
It is fine to dislike stealth ganking -- personally dislike it so much that gank-hunting is my main pasttime in Cyrodiil
It is fine to dislike that other players enjoy mechanics you do not -- you seem to fall in here, and personally respect that
Can respect that you dislike how stealth works in this game
you disliking it does not make the playstyle toxic
people who direct their dislike for the playstyle outward and degrade other players for it is toxic however
this community already has issues with people who actually have a negative impact on the game and community
like exploiters and botters
People playing the game using legitimate mechanics is not toxic -- it is players having fun in the manner the game has been programmed for
Stovahkiin wrote: »I dont even play PC and it disgusts me that this app actually got banned. I also understand it did more than just stop ganks but they could have had regulations for it put in.Im am 100% apposed to ganking and fully belive stealth and the class that depends on it holds this game back. Ganking from stealth is such a toxic mechanic.
Oh look, someone else who got ganked once and now thinks that nightblades should be removed completely.
1.This is far from being the only game that has a stealth/ganker class.
2. As I’ve had to say before, being a nightblade and ganking with it does not make you an “insta-winner”. Gankers get destroyed all the time, you just gotta know how to counter them.
Just because you don’t like the class doesn’t mean that it’s “holding the game back” and should be removed. By that logic, I think unkillable DK tanks are holding the game back, remove Dragonknights ZOS!!
You cant take any valuable information away from being ganked from stealth.
vamp_emily wrote: »i was in Vivec yesterday and snuck up on Miat then ganked him. Apparently his update is not working that well.
The majority of people I see complaining in game about gankers have the same common problem.
Stacking stamina or magicka and ignoring health entirely works in a PVE setting where the tank is taking all the heavy damage and a healer is keeping you alive against constant predictable damage, and even then you have to dodge stuff constantly to stay alive. It doesn't work in a PVP environment where the damage is random, the tank can't hold aggro, the healer is trying to cleanse you of Major Defile, and you decided to show up with no anti-crit gear.
I have Miat's installed just for the resource / keep overlays, had the dodge now thing disabled. I've been noticing this ping noise whenever someone attacks me. I have this pavlovian reaction now after a night of playing. I haven't looked into it yet, but it seems like projectiles when the sound executes.
If that's the case, it's still just as bad as getting channel notifications.