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SoLooney

I am okay with the practice

ppl been selling skins for a long time ago, as long as it is done legit and with in game currency, why the hell should it matter to anyone else

it is frowned upon in the raid community when ppl find out you payed for a skin. ppl are gonna see you need to be carried for clears rather than clearing it

Nocturnal_Annoyance

I am okay with the practice

Is it something I would buy? No. I like would rather put in the effort to earn the achievements and rewards. People can spend their gold how they would like.

LadyAstrum

I don

Well, I'm not a fan of this kind of thing, I guess I prefer to get special/rare dungeon things from my own efforts, but it's also not my concern what other people do with their time/gold, as long as it doesn't break any ToS.

Revelzdevelz

How would you really ban this? And who cares. How is this hurting anyone? Personally I feel you would have to be really socially awkward to feel you need to pay for a skin for pixel props.

Shawn_PT

I am not okay with the practice

IMO skins are not just about looks, they are also a display of one's skill. To have a skin means to be able to complete the content which awards it. Getting carried or buying it takes away from that 'prestige'. However I can understand how a RPer or someone who truly cares about cosmetics would want to pay for them. And I can't say I blame them.

I have thought about it a few times myself. Not because I could not do it without some training but because the groups I have access to only run trials at a time I cannot be on. But it wouldn't feel right. So no. I will wait however long it takes for the stars to align and maybe one day I'll get those skins, preferably before I'm 70

MakoFore

I am not okay with the practice

i think a way around this would be to have skins that mature and develop a patina or colour - that get more shiny or rusty, or golden over a persons multipl achieves and completes. .

that way people could still get their skin- but that people that completed it many times- completed multiple achieves for example- their skins would get more detail to it. this would solve both issues i think. people could still get thier skins- but people that really put the work in- could get a more speical skin, perhaps, more tattoo marks or customization for example.

BlueViolet

It doesn't really affect me, so I'm not worried as long as it isn't being sold for real money. If I want a skin, I'll earn it myself, not pay to have someone shoulder me through a trial. I'd like to feel like I truly earned it, but some people can't be bothered I suppose.

Runschei

I personally would never buy the skin(s) simply because I find it to be a bit weird or odd. If you with your skill level cannot manage the content needed for the skin(s) you really want, well then you have a reason to keep practicing and getting better at the game. This is what keeps the game going. But if you really want to achieve the skin(s) this way, then sure go for it. I would not do it and I would not be opposed for it to get banned.

Thannazzar

Not ok with it. But skins are RP content. Hard and vet trials should have appropriate gear for rewards. Stuff that assists in trials content. Not cosmetics.

munster1404

I am okay with the practice, and it should be encouraged

Meld777 wrote: »

I think this is a great practice. Without it, we would probably not be raiding. Raiding is expensive. Due to the fact that everything is BoP, the food, potion and repair costs cannot be covered by just raiding. Not even close. As a raider, you also have to always test new setups, create new gear, adapt to new tactics. What you get from raiding doesn't cover even 10% of those costs. It did before ZOS made all drops BoE.

For those of you taking out the pitchforks right now... no, there is zero shame in that. I don't know a single client who wanted the skin because he was "bad and wanted to look like he's good, like he earned the skin, so he paid for it." Most people who buy the skin are people who want it purely for the looks. They are usually 1. Roleplayers or 2. PvPers. They are all open about having bought the skin. They don't feel "ashamed" about it. They just don't PvE, they never ran trials and never plan to. It's just a look they wanted and they bought it.

Another kind of clients are achievement hunters. Those that are willing to pay 12M for a vMoL no death or vAS speedrun. But those are so rare, it's not worth mentioning. We get one of those like maybe once in 2 - 3 months. And we actively look for these people everywhere.

Most of our clients want to farm gear (golden jewelry). A vMoL/vHoF HM run or two, so that they get all the gear from all 12 people. Doesn't take long, definitely worth it for the buyer, covers our basic raiding expenses.

Oh yeah, we don't want to do it. Really. It's annoying. We wanna raid instead of having to do these carry runs. But it's necessary. If raiding covered the expenses, we would rather raid. We don't wanna get rich by raiding. We just want the rewards to cover the expenses, which they don't.

^ Agree. Fair exchange, fair economy.

Aliyavana

I am not okay with the practice

Thannazzar wrote: »

Not ok with it. But skins are RP content. Hard and vet trials should have appropriate gear for rewards. Stuff that assists in trials content. Not cosmetics.

Lol

Noisivid

I am not okay with the practice

meh, edited to avoid the forums, apologies

Woeler

You’re just an enormous pleb if you do it, that’s all.

code65536

I am not okay with the practice

I don't like the practice. Titles and skins should be earned legitimately.

I will never buy a skin/title/run. I will never sell a skin/title/run.

That said, it's none of my business what others do. I won't participate in these kinds of things, but I'm not going to meddle and try to stop them.

Surak73

I am not okay with the practice

In an ideal world, people should have to earn their titles, skins etc., so I'm not ok with this. However, nowadays the concept itself of "earning" doesn't seem to be at its best, as in real world; and, in this particular case, there is only a cosmetic improvement at stake. So I'm not ok, but I don't think it should be banned.

ClockworkCityBugs

I am okay with the practice, and it should be encouraged

@Meld777
hey mate whats your ingame tag or smthing? i have few friends they can be interesting to buy skins for gold

Hurbster

I am okay with the practice

Never done a trial, just doesn't appeal to me. So if people want to do that it's cool. They don't actually look that good, if I'm being honest.

VexingArcanist

Same sort of behavior takes place in other MMOs. As long as it is legit, no real world money being exchanged and no one is being griefed (party is not aware, or players are kicked to make room for someone to be carried, etc.) I have zero problem with it.

If it doesn't effect me, and it's legit, I have nothing to complain about.

Prof_Bawbag

clocksstoppe wrote: »

If they want to ruin the achievement for themselves, let them do it imo. Their punishment is that every time someone asks them about the skin they will be reminded of its illegitimacy and feel shame. The skin has no value to anyone else anyways.

Not a fan of most of the skins (Amberplasm being the only one i'd wear and would want), but if i just had to have one and paid for it, it wouldn't matter a jot what anyone thought of me. No point collectively tarring everyone with the same brush as yourself as far as how personally we'd take to heart what some faceless random thinks of us.

Seriously, people actually feel shame over some cosmetic do-da in some meaningless game?

Meld777

I am okay with the practice, and it should be encouraged

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Seriously, people actually feel shame over some cosmetic do-da in some meaningless game?

Based on my experience, they don't. Almost no one does. Only some people on these forums do.

I actually remember people arguing that the forum doesn't represent the player base because it's less than 1% of players. And then someone proved with a ZOS statistic that it's actually ~0.001%. Fact is, most players out there have never heard of the forums or don't care about them whatsoever. People just wanna play the game and ignore the forums invitation as spam. And hell no, they do not feel shame about some cosmetic item in a game.

Ajaxduo

Seen this topic debated on the forums and reddit a few times but never seen skins being sold on EU PC.

I don’t see a problem with it really, it’s just another transaction to help players that might not be able to complete the content. RPers want those skins for sure, so it’s a win-win. If it involves real currency then no, that’s definitely not okay.

Sabbathius

I am okay with the practice

As long as it's done with in-game gold, meaning it's not RMT, I'm totally fine with it. Heck, maybe even RMT would be fine, it would certainly give bored vets something to do, and odds are good most of that cash would still end up in ZOS' pocket.

I never really saw a problem with this stuff. The wee-wee measuring contests always seemed meaningless. It's like a friend of mine that had someone drop by his place and do a flawless vMA for him. Yeah, he got the Flawless Conqueror title. And? Hilariously enough, he even got called out for it in guild chat, because he was averaging 400k runs, and then suddenly he gets 560k and flawless? But in the end it doesn't really matter. I don't care what skin you have. If you play well, I'll play with you.

boombazookajd

I am not okay with the practice, and it should be banned

I answered thinking this was for real currency, so I don't think it should be banned for gold but considering the video evidence of some console behavior recently, on that alone I think those who do it should be banned.

If it's created through a legit guild run, organized with all parties understanding the goal of the raid, I'm alright with it. If its happening where the crown is passed and unaware folks are getting booted from runs, then no.

So I'd like to say; I don't like the practice.

magictucktuck

I am not okay with the practice

I dont like the idea of it but its IN GAME GOLD, so whatever

AlienSlof

I am okay with the practice, and it should be encouraged

I'm fine with it, did it for the vMoL skin myself, for several reasons. It nicely finishes a Dro m'athra themed character I play all the time (he's a 'bent' cat who rides the dro-senche and has the dro-kitten following). I'm also disabled, and it will take me a while yet to finish vMoL (working on it slowly), so it really just allowed me to finish my character nicely. Gold well-spent for me, certainly, and not a measure of e-peen for me either. I just like it and based a character on it.

Would I do the same for another if I ever get really good at vMoL? Yes, I would.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN

I am okay with the practice

I love when people say it devalues the skin. No it doesn't. Most of the time nobody cares about what skin you are wearing and how you earned it. When I see someone with a skin I don't go out of my way to stare at them unless its a brand new skin I haven't seen yet. I don't question their methods of obtaining it either. I just go on about my business. Nothing screams elitist more to me than someone complaining about other people getting the same skin as them because they "didn't earn it". By this logic the Mazzatun skin has been devalued too. Don't people have better things to do than worry about what other players look like?

KingJ

I am okay with the practice, and it should be encouraged

Bosov wrote: »

Buying a skin with in game gold? If you are a PvP'er, roleplayer or a player who just likes doing dungeons.. go ahead, there is no other way to get the skin otherwise. A PvE player interested in trials shouldnt buy them in my opinion, he/she/it should ''earn'' them.

However one thing i am against is... People letting other people log in on their account for vMA runs because they cant do it themself but do want that cool title or the extra damage from the bow/magical sticks. Account sharing is even against TOS right? And yes, eventhough PetSorc + One Tamriel sets + CP excist now some people still have other people do their vMA runs for them. However if you need someone for vMA there is likely better ways to improve your gameplay than get that vMA weapon

Ik people who had people run VMA for them especially when it wasn't transmute or guaranteed drops.They beat it but wanted the weapons and had more money than time and wanted to spend that time raiding.PVPers who just wanted the title VMA isn't hard when you know the arena you can do it at CP 160 with decent gear if you know what your doing.

Prof_Bawbag

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

I love when people say it devalues the skin. No it doesn't. Most of the time nobody cares about what skin you are wearing and how you earned it. When I see someone with a skin I don't go out of my way to stare at them unless its a brand new skin I haven't seen yet. I don't question their methods of obtaining it either. I just go on about my business. Nothing screams elitist more to me than someone complaining about other people getting the same skin as them because they "didn't earn it". By this logic the Mazzatun skin has been devalued too. Don't people have better things to do than worry about what other players look like?

Yup, lets be honest, there's a lot of people running around with the hist skins that didn't earn them legitimately in the true sense. May have did the content, but they had no qualms downscaling those runs to CP10. Probably a number of them who now have the cheek to look down on others buying skin runs.

I remember when i was low CP on both the Xbox and PS4. I was getting invites right, left and centre for the likes of vDSA etc. There's one guy on PS4 who obviously has no recollection of it being me that once teleported him and his mates into vDSA and now he brags about how he's got all these titles and skins and those who pay for titles etc are scrubs. Hmmm, ok then.

duendology

Meld777 wrote: »

I think this is a great practice. Without it, we would probably not be raiding. Raiding is expensive. Due to the fact that everything is BoP, the food, potion and repair costs cannot be covered by just raiding. Not even close. As a raider, you also have to always test new setups, create new gear, adapt to new tactics. What you get from raiding doesn't cover even 10% of those costs. It did before ZOS made all drops BoE.

For those of you taking out the pitchforks right now... no, there is zero shame in that. I don't know a single client who wanted the skin because he was "bad and wanted to look like he's good, like he earned the skin, so he paid for it." Most people who buy the skin are people who want it purely for the looks. They are usually 1. Roleplayers or 2. PvPers. They are all open about having bought the skin. They don't feel "ashamed" about it. They just don't PvE, they never ran trials and never plan to. It's just a look they wanted and they bought it.

Another kind of clients are achievement hunters. Those that are willing to pay 12M for a vMoL no death or vAS speedrun. But those are so rare, it's not worth mentioning. We get one of those like maybe once in 2 - 3 months. And we actively look for these people everywhere.

Most of our clients want to farm gear (golden jewelry). A vMoL/vHoF HM run or two, so that they get all the gear from all 12 people. Doesn't take long, definitely worth it for the buyer, covers our basic raiding expenses.

Oh yeah, we don't want to do it. Really. It's annoying. We wanna raid instead of having to do these carry runs. But it's necessary. If raiding covered the expenses, we would rather raid. We don't wanna get rich by raiding. We just want the rewards to cover the expenses, which they don't.

This is fascinating.
And how many people can you carry during one raid? And what is it like? They don't have to do s**t? Just follow you and enjoy the scenery?
And IF, just IF, they happen to contribute to the run and ACTUALLY do damage... you still take gold?
Also, would you be doing the same trials regardless carrying someone?

I want to participate in trials eventually but not for skins and achievements or leaderboards really, I couldn't care less, but because to simply see what it's like, you know. And I'd have to PAY for that apparently because I am inexperienced?

Thank gods there are guilds out there who don't take gold and just enjoy the raid for what it is.....PLAYING A GAME and maybe helping a fellow player. o_0

Kwik1

I am okay with the practice

This falls back to the old argument...

If it doesn't hurt you, why do you care?

People just have to try to force things they don't like on others.

It isn't hurting ANYONE else in the game so just leave it alone.

Get your skin how you want. I personally will never pay for it but I don't care about cosmetics in any way, but I cerationly don't begrudge another player who has tons of money who wants to spend it on this.