[Announcement| Strange Poster - To the People of Tamriel

Noctume · February 2018

**A poster is advertised on all billboards in all Tamriel cities.**

(Contact Cercle Noir // Server : EU on PC : @Noctume // Noctume Arachneare Mortis)

(PS: The poster was made by myself if one day you want something like this too, contact me

!)

tommalmm · February 2018

Interesting. It's the first time I've seen someone being so open about it. Not that it's against TOS nor anything like that. It's just that any hints at selling runs usually causes a lot of hate.

Feanor · February 2018

2 to 3 Million for a half an hour run and you still have to pay for weapons and jewelry? Pretty absurd if you ask me. 200k a run on average for each member for something that isn’t harder to do for a good raid than running vCoA for a good 4 man group is - pretty nice income.

rhapsodious · February 2018

You still didn't specify your platform and region ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

magictucktuck · February 2018

no one can be so bad to need to pay that much to run it, can they?

EDIT: i mean its not very hard to find groups running these.

Dont_do_drugs · February 2018

THIS is pretty awesome. I love it. I am quite sure, i wont have a reason to do it, but I love the naughtyness, the straightness, the shamelessness of this offer. I hope you get a ****ton of gold!

100k - 200k for each person carrying someone through a vet Trial sounds pretty fair to me.

Feanor · February 2018

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

THIS is pretty awesome. I love it. I am quite sure, i wont have a reason to do it, but I love the naughtyness, the straightness, the shamelessness of this offer. I hope you get a ****ton of gold!

100k - 200k for each person carrying someone through a vet Trial sounds pretty fair to me.

That’s a surprising statement given your usual stance against gold selling. This is a direct incentive to it.

Dont_do_drugs · February 2018

Feanor wrote: »

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

THIS is pretty awesome. I love it. I am quite sure, i wont have a reason to do it, but I love the naughtyness, the straightness, the shamelessness of this offer. I hope you get a ****ton of gold!

100k - 200k for each person carrying someone through a vet Trial sounds pretty fair to me.

That’s a surprising statement given your usual stance against gold selling. This is a direct incentive to it.

THIS up there has absolutely nothing to do with goldselling. As i get it, there are some good raiders, which are offering an achievement to noob raiders, which but then might have farmed a lot of gold. There is no exploit or goldselling in it in any way, as i get it. With your argumentation I could also hate on housing, or on people selling the cipher for 2 mio.

EDIT: I often repeated it in the past: There is no reason to be against selling spots in vTrial raids. Some people gain their achievements with raiding work, others with farming or reselling work and gaining gold. The goal is to get an achievement, not HOW u get the achievement, as long as u play within the rules of the game.

Marabornwingrion · February 2018

Asylum skin on PC EU is for 15m atm

Noctume · February 2018

rhapsodious wrote: »

You still didn't specify your platform and region ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Region yes : EU but not platform : PC I will add it

Thanks

Astrid_V wrote: »

Asylum skin on PC EU is for 15m atm

We're not offering vAS HM atm we're still working on it

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

THIS is pretty awesome. I love it. I am quite sure, i wont have a reason to do it, but I love the naughtyness, the straightness, the shamelessness of this offer. I hope you get a ****ton of gold!

100k - 200k for each person carrying someone through a vet Trial sounds pretty fair to me.

Ahahah thanks ^^ we take full responsibility for our side of the business

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

THIS up there has absolutely nothing to do with goldselling. As i get it, there are some good raiders, which are offering an achievement to noob raiders, which but then might have farmed a lot of gold. There is no exploit or goldselling in it in any way, as i get it. With your argumentation I could also hate on housing, or on people selling the cipher for 2 mio.

EDIT: I often repeated it in the past: There is no reason to be against selling spots in vTrial raids. Some people gain their achievements with raiding work, others with farming or reselling work and gaining gold. The goal is to get an achievement, not HOW u get the achievement, as long as u play within the rules of the game.

That's it, we're just a bunch of good HL raiders who love raiding and we also love gold too so we manage to find something merging both. And there are a lot in game not liking raids and PvE HL like farmers and PvP boyz

But they love skin offered by those trials but don't have time/mates to do it proprely. We give the acces to it for gold to anyone. Golds can be farm by everyone

Feanor · February 2018

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

THIS is pretty awesome. I love it. I am quite sure, i wont have a reason to do it, but I love the naughtyness, the straightness, the shamelessness of this offer. I hope you get a ****ton of gold!

100k - 200k for each person carrying someone through a vet Trial sounds pretty fair to me.

That’s a surprising statement given your usual stance against gold selling. This is a direct incentive to it.

THIS up there has absolutely nothing to do with goldselling. As i get it, there are some good raiders, which are offering an achievement to noob raiders, which but then might have farmed a lot of gold. There is no exploit or goldselling in it in any way, as i get it. With your argumentation I could also hate on housing, or on people selling the cipher for 2 mio.

EDIT: I often repeated it in the past: There is no reason to be against selling spots in vTrial raids. Some people gain their achievements with raiding work, others with farming or reselling work and gaining gold. The goal is to get an achievement, not HOW u get the achievement, as long as u play within the rules of the game.

You didn’t get my point I think. Offers like the above open an incentive to buy gold. Sure, if you have earned your millions legitimately in game, then you might see no issue (apart from wearing titles and skins you didn’t earn by your own play is misleading).

Chances are though that players who don’t have the money in game just seek it elsewhere if they really want the titles and skins. Yes, it’s the same with any gold sink in game - but I guess skins and titles are more of an incentive than housing because of its limited nature.

Turelus · February 2018

tommalmm wrote: »

Interesting. It's the first time I've seen someone being so open about it. Not that it's against TOS nor anything like that. It's just that any hints at selling runs usually causes a lot of hate.

There is nothing in TOS about selling in game services for in game currency. It only breaks TOS if real money or account sharing happens.

It should be noted however that ZOS made a ruling that rival factions within Cyrodiil working together is against TOS, so services sold (emperor trade, kill achievements, AP farm) are against TOS.

Dont_do_drugs · February 2018

Feanor wrote: »

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

THIS is pretty awesome. I love it. I am quite sure, i wont have a reason to do it, but I love the naughtyness, the straightness, the shamelessness of this offer. I hope you get a ****ton of gold!

100k - 200k for each person carrying someone through a vet Trial sounds pretty fair to me.

That’s a surprising statement given your usual stance against gold selling. This is a direct incentive to it.

THIS up there has absolutely nothing to do with goldselling. As i get it, there are some good raiders, which are offering an achievement to noob raiders, which but then might have farmed a lot of gold. There is no exploit or goldselling in it in any way, as i get it. With your argumentation I could also hate on housing, or on people selling the cipher for 2 mio.

EDIT: I often repeated it in the past: There is no reason to be against selling spots in vTrial raids. Some people gain their achievements with raiding work, others with farming or reselling work and gaining gold. The goal is to get an achievement, not HOW u get the achievement, as long as u play within the rules of the game.

You didn’t get my point I think. Offers like the above open an incentive to buy gold. Sure, if you have earned your millions legitimately in game, then you might see no issue (apart from wearing titles and skins you didn’t earn by your own play is misleading).

Chances are though that players who don’t have the money in game just seek it elsewhere if they really want the titles and skins. Yes, it’s the same with any gold sink in game - but I guess skins and titles are more of an incentive than housing because of its limited nature.

Well, I guess I got it in the beginning already, its just... you cant blame the people offering an ingame deal for people, breaking the TOS. I can make a difference between that and you should be able to do so too.

code65536 · February 2018

Feanor wrote: »

Chances are though that players who don’t have the money in game just seek it elsewhere if they really want the titles and skins. Yes, it’s the same with any gold sink in game - but I guess skins and titles are more of an incentive than housing because of its limited nature.

I'd say that the bigger concern is that players who have no moral qualms about buying achievements probably also have no moral qualms about buying gold.

Feanor · February 2018

code65536 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Chances are though that players who don’t have the money in game just seek it elsewhere if they really want the titles and skins. Yes, it’s the same with any gold sink in game - but I guess skins and titles are more of an incentive than housing because of its limited nature.

I'd say that the bigger concern is that players who have no moral qualms about buying achievements probably also have no moral qualms about buying gold.

Very good point too. I just think that selling runs shouldn’t be a thing, but I’m well aware ZOS cannot and will not do anything against it. I find it strange there are people who think this is totally ok.

Dont_do_drugs · February 2018

Feanor wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Chances are though that players who don’t have the money in game just seek it elsewhere if they really want the titles and skins. Yes, it’s the same with any gold sink in game - but I guess skins and titles are more of an incentive than housing because of its limited nature.

I'd say that the bigger concern is that players who have no moral qualms about buying achievements probably also have no moral qualms about buying gold.

Very good point too. I just think that selling runs shouldn’t be a thing, but I’m well aware ZOS cannot and will not do anything against it. I find it strange there are people who think this is totally ok.

I just became a bit more cynical. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Slick_007 · February 2018

+ for the poster. its pretty cool
- for the 3mil for HoF then the person still has to buy the jewelry off you for 150k. "may be sold to you", so its not even a given.

TLDR: its a rort, but at least it was done in a cool way.

DivineFirstYOLO · February 2018

#norespect

Noctume · February 2018

Turelus wrote: »

tommalmm wrote: »

Interesting. It's the first time I've seen someone being so open about it. Not that it's against TOS nor anything like that. It's just that any hints at selling runs usually causes a lot of hate.

There is nothing in TOS about selling in game services for in game currency. It only breaks TOS if real money or account sharing happens.

It should be noted however that ZOS made a ruling that rival factions within Cyrodiil working together is against TOS, so services sold (emperor trade, kill achievements, AP farm) are against TOS.

I got a message from ZOS CM US and FR and they're aggree with that !

Noctume · March 2018

UP of the thread !
Offers are still available, don't hesitate to contact me (EU only) if you have any questions !

Mureel · March 2018

I think at those prices, client should be GIVEN any/all gear weapons they want, included in price.

Merlin13KAGL · March 2018

Disappointing in that is lessens the value of the achievement to further your own gains.

I'm assuming at that price it's a carry. Would be more worth in it if it was an assist (per merc, if that's your thing). I suppose someone willing to pay those amounts likely have no interest in earning it or even contributing to earning it.

Not downing you for having a good group or being individually good at what you do. Not downing you for seizing a monetary opportunity.

I'd find it more noble and noteworthy if you offered training at a reasonable rate, helping those that have difficulty with an aspect for a nominal fee.

You'd still make an absurd amount of gold, and you'd improve the player base at the same time, without simply handing it over.

Noctume · March 2018

Some don't have the time and possibility to have the group or guild to succeed to defeat those bosses but have the time to farm golds.
We give to them the possibility to have rewards from those raids.

Just think like that

Turelus · March 2018

Whatever peoples personal thoughts on the "ethics" of such an offer, can we all at least agree the poster looks really nice?