Reverb everwhere

Ihatenightblades

dueling used to he more diverse and fun all it is now is 1h and shield users using reverb bash to heal debuff and burn down. I dnt mind the playstyle as its needed against some opponents but how bout some diversity?

we know reverb bash is REALLLLY strong in 1v1 so can people like not use it?

Its like popping WW form in a duel. You will destroy the guy in seconds once transformed ( atleast i will )

We need a unwritten rule on this thing literally every person who stands to duel in dueling areas is 1h and shield. Kind of how like maulubeth was before nerf. If you had malubeth on before nerf people wouldnt even accept your duel. Lets start that trend again !

Balance/diversity please @ZoS

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Waffennacht

Duels have degraded completely, there's nothing taboo any more.

I don't duel anymore

Ihatenightblades

Waffennacht wrote: »

Duels have degraded completely, there's nothing taboo any more.

I don't duel anymore

I can see why.

AAbrigo

Okay I drop 1h/S and equip Duroks Bane.

DDuke

Just slot Heavy Armor, S&B & Clown King (maybe Noobspawn if you're feeling super unique) and see who can hold block longer.

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Duels are a [snip] mess these days.

Vaoh

The balance in PvP is purely based around group play. Solo play, even 1v1s, are horribly balanced atm. That’s pretty much why 1vX is no longer possible unless you are fighting low CP new players who hand the wins to you.

It’s no secret why the PvP population is doing poorly even when comparing it to how it was when Clockwork City launched.

Minno

Waffennacht wrote: »

Duels have degraded completely, there's nothing taboo any more.

I don't duel anymore

Till you get into that BG with troll king-guard spamming Stam builds lol.

Xsorus

So heal debuff aren’t allowed in duels anymore? Rofl....

Asmael

Since Major defile is one those things that can help finish a duel, that's actually something I'd keep while removing defensive options to avoid countless stalemates.

#ButMaybeThatsJustMe

DDuke

Asmael wrote: »

Since Major defile is one those things that can help finish a duel, that's actually something I'd keep while removing defensive options to avoid countless stalemates.

#ButMaybeThatsJustMe

Definitely agree with this, it's more a problem of S&B & sets like TK overperforming than a problem with Defile (these builds also tend to almost always run Rev Bash).

As it stands, these builds deal the same damage as medium armor damage focused builds, while also being insanely tanky behind block & TK regen.

To have that kind of tankiness, S&B builds should take a bigger hit to their dmg output in my opinion (allowing them to actually get pressured by damage focused builds).

Subversus

DDuke wrote: »

Just slot Heavy Armor, S&B & Clown King (maybe Noobspawn if you're feeling super unique) and see who can hold block longer.

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Duels are a [snip] mess these days.

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Ashamray

I used to enjoy duels, but they are not cool anymore for me. Surprised that so many ppl think same.

Drakkdjinn

I'll be over here, standing in mines behind 2 pets and spamming shields, plz come reverb me.

olsborg

I wish they went through with the nerf they gave reverb in the IC patch initially. They removed the stun, because it already deals dmg (albeit not much) but major defile is a huge deal and having an ability do that, stun and dmg is too much imo. No wonder its basically mandatory in duels.

Thogard

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

I'll be over here, standing in mines behind 2 pets and spamming shields, plz come reverb me.

When cancer meets aids.

Thogard

To be fair, reverb is fine. It’s the befoul passive that goes a bit over the top (and still doesn’t affect troll king) that’s the problem

Ragnarock41

Reverb itself is perfectly fine.
Befoul overperforms.

Also 2h dizzy swing /w.blow playstyle is terrible for anything but pug stomping so SnB is popular in a higher skill enviroment.

caeliusstarbreaker

TK is “over performing” in duels on a playstyle with a poo excuse for a burst heal. While mag builds spamming those immobs, dmg and cc through dodge roll negating crit dmg with a simple button push.

TK isn’t over performing, warden, nb and befoul are over performing, but let’s be honest something is always gonna be overperforming, which is why it becomes the meta. But it definitely isn’t TK.

Sixty5

Do we ban Wardens for having Corrupting Pollen as well?

How about Nightblades with Incap?

There are plenty of sources of Major Defile in the game, and not all of them come with the caveat of cutting your damage output with a sword and shield.

Waffennacht

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Sixty5 wrote: »

Do we ban Wardens for having Corrupting Pollen as well?

How about Nightblades with Incap?

There are plenty of sources of Major Defile in the game, and not all of them come with the caveat of cutting your damage output with a sword and shield.

Personally I was thinking of things such as:

Warden Pre casting Shalk during the duel count down
Using EoTS immediately then T-bagging if it happens to work even if it wasn't the first 3 tries
Resource Poisons
Blessed
Full on Tank builds with 0 interest in even trying to kill
Soul Assault esp within the first few seconds of combat (poor medium builds)

Stuff like that, things that once were universally accepted as ... Low.

Sixty5

Waffennacht wrote: »

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Sixty5 wrote: »

Do we ban Wardens for having Corrupting Pollen as well?

How about Nightblades with Incap?

There are plenty of sources of Major Defile in the game, and not all of them come with the caveat of cutting your damage output with a sword and shield.

Personally I was thinking of things such as:

Warden Pre casting Shalk during the duel count down
Using EoTS immediately then T-bagging if it happens to work even if it wasn't the first 3 tries
Resource Poisons
Blessed
Full on Tank builds with 0 interest in even trying to kill
Soul Assault esp within the first few seconds of combat (poor medium builds)

Stuff like that, things that once were universally accepted as ... Low.

How about tab targeting a pet Sorc and then doing nothing but bow light attacks with Shield Breaker?

Izaki

olsborg wrote: »

I wish they went through with the nerf they gave reverb in the IC patch initially. They removed the stun, because it already deals dmg (albeit not much) but major defile is a huge deal and having an ability do that, stun and dmg is too much imo. No wonder its basically mandatory in duels.

Its basically like Incap but with about half the damage and an even more buggy stun. And its not an ultimate.

DosPanchos

Vaoh wrote: »

The balance in PvP is purely based around group play. Solo play, even 1v1s, are horribly balanced atm. That’s pretty much why 1vX is no longer possible unless you are fighting low CP new players who hand the wins to you.

It’s no secret why the PvP population is doing poorly even when comparing it to how it was when Clockwork City launched.

Doesn't the reduced ability to 1vX indicate there's more balance?

Dunno about PC but PS4 pvp seems to be boom lately.

Reverb

You rang?

olsborg

Izaki wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

I wish they went through with the nerf they gave reverb in the IC patch initially. They removed the stun, because it already deals dmg (albeit not much) but major defile is a huge deal and having an ability do that, stun and dmg is too much imo. No wonder its basically mandatory in duels.

Its basically like Incap but with about half the damage and an even more buggy stun. And its not an ultimate.

Reverbs defile also lasts 40% longer

SugaComa

Waffennacht wrote: »

Duels have degraded completely, there's nothing taboo any more.

I don't duel anymore

And nothing should be taboo, if it's in the game it's fair to use it ... Game should be balanced enough to be able to counter stuff ... Will you have to go away rejig your own skills and playstyle , probably, but any that the point of duals ... To learn to beat your opponent

Seems too many people here think duals should be something where you can dictate what skills your opponent uses

....

Personally I think all duals should be done naked with no skills or weapons ... Only light n heavy fist attacks


I'm kidding about the last bit

ChildOfLight

Yes, nerf reverberating bash.

Wreking blow is already under the ground, reliability wise.

Everyone screaming on the forum Heavy armor is overpowered.

I will simple give my stamDK an old beating regular stick, wearing no armor and come to duel you big guys.

Then what? WIll you feel godlike? Satisfied?

Izaki wrote: »

Its basically like Incap but with about half the damage and an even more buggy stun. And its not an ultimate.

This is simply misleading.

Incap and SurpiseAttack are simply two of the best skills in the game whatsoever.
But this community is so lucky having people like you and Guilliamtherogue defending Nightblades from the nerf hammer no matter what JUST BECAUSE IT'S YOUR CLASS.

This thread and most of this forum is just: DON'T NERF ME, NERF HIM!!

Derra

Thogard wrote: »

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

I'll be over here, standing in mines behind 2 pets and spamming shields, plz come reverb me.

When cancer meets aids.

Wait until you meet 4pet wall of elements mines super pathogen.

Turelus

Can't you just set the terms of the duel before you fight, if the person doesn't agree then you don't fight?

You can find players who are like minded and want the same rules or fights. I

Derra

SugaComa wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Duels have degraded completely, there's nothing taboo any more.

I don't duel anymore

And nothing should be taboo, if it's in the game it's fair to use it ... Game should be balanced enough to be able to counter stuff ... Will you have to go away rejig your own skills and playstyle , probably, but any that the point of duals ... To learn to beat your opponent

Seems too many people here think duals should be something where you can dictate what skills your opponent uses

....

Personally I think all duals should be done naked with no skills or weapons ... Only light n heavy fist attacks


I'm kidding about the last bit

Whats the point of dueling if you have to wear equipment and skill loadouts that work in only the dueling scenario just to have that beaten by a specifically tailored countersetup?

The result of the duel is 99% predetermind by build and skill choices in relation to your opponents class at this point. There is no learning to beat an opponent in actual combat involved anymore. That´s decided on the drawingboard before you go to town on your victim.

SugaComa

Derra wrote: »

SugaComa wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Duels have degraded completely, there's nothing taboo any more.

I don't duel anymore

And nothing should be taboo, if it's in the game it's fair to use it ... Game should be balanced enough to be able to counter stuff ... Will you have to go away rejig your own skills and playstyle , probably, but any that the point of duals ... To learn to beat your opponent

Seems too many people here think duals should be something where you can dictate what skills your opponent uses

....

Personally I think all duals should be done naked with no skills or weapons ... Only light n heavy fist attacks


I'm kidding about the last bit

Whats the point of dueling if you have to wear equipment and skill loadouts that work in only the dueling scenario just to have that beaten by a specifically tailored countersetup?

The result of the duel is 99% predetermind by build and skill choices in relation to your opponents class at this point. There is no learning to beat an opponent in actual combat involved anymore. That´s decided on the drawingboard before you go to town on your victim.

Kind of my point ... Well done.