Nerf Screaming Cliff Racer Already!

mmolegends44

Clearly the class is terribly broken like most things are in the game either nerf it or make it dodgeable better yet nerf the whole class!

WuffyCerulei

I rarely see bird-spammers lately. It's stamwardens who are a major pain in pvp.

Radinyn

Warden is the secound weakest class (after NB) leave him alone.

Rowjoh

Seriously?

There are only a small handful of players that make Wardens as damage dealers viable in pvp and they are probably using macro's, animation cancelling and every other trick in the book to do so.

Cliff racers are so easy to avoid, it's amusing.

Tommy_The_Gun

Radinyn wrote: »

Warden is the secound weakest class (after NB) leave him alone.

For PvE ? Sure it is not preforming that well. But the whole paradox is that warden is extremely OP in PvP. Mostly because of a fact that Screaming Cliff Racer (all morphs and base skill) is un-dodgeable. It is literally the only single target spam-able skill in game that has that "feature". Even some "charged", cast skill like snipe that require 1.1 sec casting time can be dodged.
In my opinion it is simply well... almost against eso own rules and mechanics. Only skills that are un-dogable by nature are all AOE skills. Even some single target non-aoe ults can be dodged. It is as if ZOS wanted every single warden to be a bird spammer...

btw. Warden is a living proof that PvE & PvP should be balanced separately... Also - check this:
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Teleport+Strike
NB Teleport Strike skill:
"If the target is a player, they are briefly snared instead of stunned."
So this skill has a different affect in PvP & different in PvE. So - as you can see it is possible to balance PvP & PvE separately. Just make slight adjustments to this skill (Screaming Cliff Racer) PvP wise and it should not affect PvE in any way.

Beardimus

The ones that make it work kick ass spamming it but they are far and few between to be honest. It's annoying A F but manageable

ToRelax

Rowjoh wrote: »

Seriously?

There are only a small handful of players that make Wardens as damage dealers viable in pvp and they are probably using macro's, animation cancelling and every other trick in the book to do so.

Cliff racers are so easy to avoid, it's amusing.

So how do you avoid Cliffracers?

SodanTok

ToRelax wrote: »

Rowjoh wrote: »

Seriously?

There are only a small handful of players that make Wardens as damage dealers viable in pvp and they are probably using macro's, animation cancelling and every other trick in the book to do so.

Cliff racers are so easy to avoid, it's amusing.

So how do you avoid Cliffracers?

Avoid getting targeted: Cloak, Sneak, Invisibility potions, LoS
Avoid getting hit: Cloak, Meridia Armor, Other sources of Miss
Avoid getting damaged: Shields, Absorb
Avoid getting fully damaged: Block, Mitigation
Avoid dying: Heal
What does not work: Dodge, Reflect

but seriously, remove the 15% damage from the morph. It is literally just for zerg chasing.

Narvuntien

I am pretty sure every match of battlegrounds is 8/12 wardens.

Okay I am going to accept that cliff racers are undodgable because they are animals and can move with the target. But they kind of have act like pets. That spawn.. collide and despawn. Where you can only have one in the air at a time. If you roll dodge their flight is longer and you can't cast more. Then will follow players off cliffs and around terrain but again.. longer before you can cast another. If the target shuffle dodges they attack again before they despawn.

Basically make it a pet, one available in the air at any one time, will always get in a hit then despawn but you can't spam it.

Sheezabeast

Its one of like 2 offensive abilities Wardens can do...if you have to nerf it, make it just be blockable...Wardens are lacking in abilities.

Chilly-McFreeze

As if it would make any difference for pve when birds become dodgeable...

agegarton

We MUST NERF wildlife.

I was walking along the other day and I got quite near to a rabbit. You should have seen the way it looked at me, the furry little ***! I felt really hurt and have probably been psychologically damaged. PVPers don’t have to put up with wildlife - why should we?

So, yeah, just nerf them already! Man, my civil rights have probably been violated or something.......

Smmokkee

Better yet just make birds go through block and magicka sheilds.. my main form of defense is ineffective agaisnt birds so should everyone elses..

Buffler

Its not stam wardens pigeons that are broken in pvp. Its the absurd burst they do with subterreanean assault, heavy att, dawnbreaker, execute.

KingYogi415

THIS IS WHY WE CAN’T HAVE NICE THINGS!

ToRelax

SodanTok wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Rowjoh wrote: »

Seriously?

There are only a small handful of players that make Wardens as damage dealers viable in pvp and they are probably using macro's, animation cancelling and every other trick in the book to do so.

Cliff racers are so easy to avoid, it's amusing.

So how do you avoid Cliffracers?

Avoid getting targeted: Cloak, Sneak, Invisibility potions, LoS
Avoid getting hit: Cloak, Meridia Armor, Other sources of Miss
Avoid getting damaged: Shields, Absorb
Avoid getting fully damaged: Block, Mitigation
Avoid dying: Heal
What does not work: Dodge, Reflect

but seriously, remove the 15% damage from the morph. It is literally just for zerg chasing.

I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish with a list like that. Only the first two points are actually avoiding the skill and the first one doesn't work once the skill has been fired.
I can deal relatively well with Cliffracers because dodge roll isn't as crucial for me as it is for medium armor builds. Remember undodgeable melee magicka skills in 1.6? That was bad enough, but then there was broken nirnhoned armor to mitigate it. Now nirnhoned is nerfed and we are looking at a more powerful ranged undodgeable spammable. Wtf?

Tommy_The_Gun

agegarton wrote: »

We MUST NERF wildlife.

I was walking along the other day and I got quite near to a rabbit.

Thalmor-Nordmaster

I have this urge to go spam pigeons.brb

klowdy1

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Radinyn wrote: »

Warden is the secound weakest class (after NB) leave him alone.

For PvE ? Sure it is not preforming that well. But the whole paradox is that warden is extremely OP in PvP. Mostly because of a fact that Screaming Cliff Racer (all morphs and base skill) is un-dodgeable. It is literally the only single target spam-able skill in game that has that "feature". Even some "charged", cast skill like snipe that require 1.1 sec casting time can be dodged.
In my opinion it is simply well... almost against eso own rules and mechanics. Only skills that are un-dogable by nature are all AOE skills. Even some single target non-aoe ults can be dodged. It is as if ZOS wanted every single warden to be a bird spammer...

btw. Warden is a living proof that PvE & PvP should be balanced separately... Also - check this:
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Teleport+Strike
NB Teleport Strike skill:
"If the target is a player, they are briefly snared instead of stunned."
So this skill has a different affect in PvP & different in PvE. So - as you can see it is possible to balance PvP & PvE separately. Just make slight adjustments to this skill (Screaming Cliff Racer) PvP wise and it should not affect PvE in any way.

Well there we go, let's give it splash damage then.

Tommy_The_Gun

klowdy1 wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Radinyn wrote: »

Warden is the secound weakest class (after NB) leave him alone.

For PvE ? Sure it is not preforming that well. But the whole paradox is that warden is extremely OP in PvP. Mostly because of a fact that Screaming Cliff Racer (all morphs and base skill) is un-dodgeable. It is literally the only single target spam-able skill in game that has that "feature". Even some "charged", cast skill like snipe that require 1.1 sec casting time can be dodged.
In my opinion it is simply well... almost against eso own rules and mechanics. Only skills that are un-dogable by nature are all AOE skills. Even some single target non-aoe ults can be dodged. It is as if ZOS wanted every single warden to be a bird spammer...

btw. Warden is a living proof that PvE & PvP should be balanced separately... Also - check this:
http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Teleport+Strike
NB Teleport Strike skill:
"If the target is a player, they are briefly snared instead of stunned."
So this skill has a different affect in PvP & different in PvE. So - as you can see it is possible to balance PvP & PvE separately. Just make slight adjustments to this skill (Screaming Cliff Racer) PvP wise and it should not affect PvE in any way.

Well there we go, let's give it splash damage then.

ak_pvp

Bird needs to be dodgable and reflectable. Its damage is fine IMO.

The 1 at a time idea sounded cool, but won't work since its a spammable.

TequilaFire

It is PvP, you are going to die from something or it wouldn't be PvP.
Stop asking for nerfs as your favorite ability could be next.

phileunderx2

To everyone who wants to nerf warden go make one and go to cyro with it and then come back and tell us how op it is.

Tommy_The_Gun

ak_pvp wrote: »

Bird needs to be dodgable and reflectable. Its damage is fine IMO.

The 1 at a time idea sounded cool, but won't work since its a spammable.

Yep... already post-morrowind PvP looks pretty much like this:

TequilaFire

Don't worry with AoE caps lifted it will soon look like this again.

SirCritical

mmolegends44 wrote: »

Clearly the class is terribly broken like most things are in the game either nerf it or make it dodgeable better yet nerf the whole class!

Lol, made my day

SirCritical

Buffler wrote: »

Its not stam wardens pigeons that are broken in pvp. Its the absurd burst they do with subterreanean assault, heavy att, dawnbreaker, execute.

Wut?

Thalmor-Nordmaster

well according to two smurfs who I pelted with birds they are dodgeable. same with what my combat log states. one smurf named after a fish and a stick dodged a bunch of them about 20 minutes ago at fare farm. but the bugs got him and his girlfriend.Oh and the vamp at the farm blocked one taking only 661 damage. He ran away as well





so not 100 percent Undodgeable.

So Tweet Tweet mophos.

Jade1986

People complaining about cliff racers are probably combat queue users. xD. If I notice someone is using those add ons I will spam my birds to my hearts content.

Jade1986

ak_pvp wrote: »

Bird needs to be dodgable and reflectable. Its damage is fine IMO.

The 1 at a time idea sounded cool, but won't work since its a spammable.

Its literally the ONLY ranged attack that can not be dodged and reflected, it is the ONLY ability a pure ranged stamina build can use to damage reflect spammers and miat users.

Thalmor-Nordmaster

Jade read my above post it is dodgeable look at the log I just posted. So at least two people(Smurfs) know how to Dodge it. I think if people are nice to those two lil smurfy blueberries they might show others how to dodge the super pigeons of poo poo. So undodgeable not. Misinfo on this thread MAXIMIZED!!!

Mr. Jade my post is not directed at you. I was merely trying to address your post as well.

The misinformation is from people who never played a Warden. And who think that by just casting shuffle you are good to go. But as the logs show birds can be dodged just like in real life. And those two smurfs were in the Fare storehouse when I started to bomb them they really had nowhere to run. but they still managed to avoid the birds and run into the bugs.