Nerf Screaming Cliff Racer Already!

WildRaptorX

It’s the only way around the evasion dodge chance that is more like 60% dodge chance. (On Xbox it is really bad)

Thalmor-Nordmaster

From now on I am going to ask PC or Console. Speaking of Consoles which is the best one to get for playing this game?

JobooAGS

Warden doesn't need nerfs, it needs an overhaul

Raideen

I PVP'd for my firs time yesterday, went in on my Magicka warden. Killed a number of people hanging out on the edge of a keep with my cliff racers, or people dumping oil. I would like to think that I made someone rage with my cliff racers. Feels good, I think I will do the same today.

Smmokkee

Raideen wrote: »

I PVP'd for my firs time yesterday, went in on my Magicka warden. Killed a number of people hanging out on the edge of a keep with my cliff racers, or people dumping oil. I would like to think that I made someone rage with my cliff racers. Feels good, I think I will do the same today.

Bird on birdman

jssriot

I don't play a warden in pvp (have but not any more). Honestly I don't care about this skill. From what I've been told, you can't cancel the animation, and that to me balances it a bit. Certainly explains why you don't see advanced pve players usuing it, even if they slot it for the buff. The class itself seems to be a mess so nerfing one skill won't fix it.

In pvp, I think half of the bird rage is psychological, that you can really see this attack. But folks, it's what you're not paying attention to--that's what will kill you. Learn to ignore the lv30 warden spamming birds at you and pay attention to the cp690 sorcs using LAs on you to build up their ultis.

JobooAGS

If birds are to be dodgeable, the animation should be faster and cancelable

Smmokkee

I dont want them to be dodgeable, I just want them buffed to go through block and magicka sheilds as well.

KanedaSyndrome

You're not allowed to call nerfs to any class until you've made one yourself, leveled to 50, played pvp for 60 hours.

mmolegends44

the terrible part about it is there is a LOT of people that are not good at the game it takes no skill nomore but you have your good players that are known for getting kills if you suck at getting kills go use warden instantly spam birds you can literally have on your bar just birds and beetles birds will always land for 5k everytime it is pathetic on how many people are wardens just doing that make it dodgeable point blank period

ak_pvp

Jade1986 wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Bird needs to be dodgable and reflectable. Its damage is fine IMO.

The 1 at a time idea sounded cool, but won't work since its a spammable.

Its literally the ONLY ranged attack that can not be dodged and reflected, it is the ONLY ability a pure ranged stamina build can use to damage reflect spammers and miat users.

And you think that is how it should be?

No.

That is why medium sucks, why wings suck, because crap tier players feel like they should always get free damage and can't be outplayed. Sure, miats bad, yada yada, I think everyone on the forums knows your stance. Its getting changed. So, answer this. Why after miats is gone, should an ability ignore 2 key counters that other projectiles have, making it as bad as a proc set.

As far as I am concerned. Once miats is gone, if you can't land a projectile hit, you have done something wrong.

Also, warden wings can absorb it.

ak_pvp

JobooAGS wrote: »

If birds are to be dodgeable, the animation should be faster and cancelable

That would be a nerf in itself. Bird has the ability to be timed with shalks and an insta damage ability to deal high burst.

JobooAGS

ak_pvp wrote: »

JobooAGS wrote: »

If birds are to be dodgeable, the animation should be faster and cancelable

That would be a nerf in itself. Bird has the ability to be timed with shalks and an insta damage ability to deal high burst.

I want to leave birds as they are (maybe remove the range bonus from the mag, give it to the stam version and give the mag version something else to compensate for pve reasons). Sure they are undodgable, but they are blockable, cloak causes them to miss, they are losable. If they were to be dodgeable, it may kill the skill as we just have a weaker version of snipe

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

Rowjoh wrote: »

Seriously?

There are only a small handful of players that make Wardens as damage dealers viable in pvp and they are probably using macro's, animation cancelling and every other trick in the book to do so.

Cliff racers are so easy to avoid, it's amusing.

nope i dont use macros i can hit several of them with 2 other skills in a sec, but i do animation cancel

O_LYKOS

People need to stop screaming for nerfs

JobooAGS

O_LYKOS wrote: »

People need to stop screaming for nerfs

as this becomes a nerf sorc thread

Jade1986

ak_pvp wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Bird needs to be dodgable and reflectable. Its damage is fine IMO.

The 1 at a time idea sounded cool, but won't work since its a spammable.

Its literally the ONLY ranged attack that can not be dodged and reflected, it is the ONLY ability a pure ranged stamina build can use to damage reflect spammers and miat users.

And you think that is how it should be?

No.

That is why medium sucks, why wings suck, because crap tier players feel like they should always get free damage and can't be outplayed. Sure, miats bad, yada yada, I think everyone on the forums knows your stance. Its getting changed. So, answer this. Why after miats is gone, should an ability ignore 2 key counters that other projectiles have, making it as bad as a proc set.

As far as I am concerned. Once miats is gone, if you can't land a projectile hit, you have done something wrong.

Also, warden wings can absorb it.

So you think archer builds should not be able to damage people with reflect or dodge at all? Good to know. Wings should counter SOME things, it should not counter every damned ranged attack out there. Also, absorbing an attack is different than reflecting. Reflecting an animal would just be ridiculous. I would be ok with absorbing part of the damage, but not all, it is a summon in essence after all.

Also, calling people crap tier players, and then wanting to be 100% immune to all ranged attacks is pot calling kettle.

NyassaV

Radinyn wrote: »

Warden is the secound weakest class (after NB) leave him alone.

LOL

NyassaV

Can't it be dodgable like, ever other cliffracer

mmolegends44

Don't know why people keep thinking the birds are dodgeable!! They are NOT! soul assault is line of sight you could break that line of sight cliff racer is instant you cannot run around a rock wall or tree anything it still will hit you!

Stovahkiin

agegarton wrote: »

We MUST NERF wildlife.

I was walking along the other day and I got quite near to a rabbit. You should have seen the way it looked at me, the furry little ***! I felt really hurt and have probably been psychologically damaged. PVPers don’t have to put up with wildlife - why should we?

So, yeah, just nerf them already! Man, my civil rights have probably been violated or something.......

Wildlife in Cyrodiil was already nerfed

ak_pvp

Jade1986 wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Bird needs to be dodgable and reflectable. Its damage is fine IMO.

The 1 at a time idea sounded cool, but won't work since its a spammable.

Its literally the ONLY ranged attack that can not be dodged and reflected, it is the ONLY ability a pure ranged stamina build can use to damage reflect spammers and miat users.

And you think that is how it should be?

No.

That is why medium sucks, why wings suck, because crap tier players feel like they should always get free damage and can't be outplayed. Sure, miats bad, yada yada, I think everyone on the forums knows your stance. Its getting changed. So, answer this. Why after miats is gone, should an ability ignore 2 key counters that other projectiles have, making it as bad as a proc set.

As far as I am concerned. Once miats is gone, if you can't land a projectile hit, you have done something wrong.

Also, warden wings can absorb it.

So you think archer builds should not be able to damage people with reflect or dodge at all? Good to know. Wings should counter SOME things, it should not counter every damned ranged attack out there. Also, absorbing an attack is different than reflecting. Reflecting an animal would just be ridiculous. I would be ok with absorbing part of the damage, but not all, it is a summon in essence after all.

Also, calling people crap tier players, and then wanting to be 100% immune to all ranged attacks is pot calling kettle.

No, I am saying that dodging/reflecting should actually function on the set of attacks it was meant to function. Reflect only works on projectiles, not any ranged ability. Beams, dots, AoEs, ultimates etc are not included. Same with dodge, dots, ground based etc. Things like CCs, surprise, timing or brute force etc can be used. Because it is impossible to keep reflect/dodge up forever.

And if you can't deal with them, then too bad. You shouldn't be given it for free. Its like giving a class built in shield breaker.

On the logic side. OK, so birdy is an animal, so it can't be dodged or pushed back, but a can be conjured out of someones power to run and swing a sword, and can for some reason be absorbed by a magic block of ice and turned into mag... But nope, can't be dodged... I mean, i'd probably be able to dodge a pigeon irl. So...

Selective logic is NOT an excuse for ***, unbalanced and unfair hard counters.

EDIT: ignore the deleted bit if you see it, it was wrong person.

SydneyGrey

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Its one of like 2 offensive abilities Wardens can do...if you have to nerf it, make it just be blockable...Wardens are lacking in abilities.

This. It's one of their only good abilities. If you kill it, wardens will become nearly useless.
People like the O.P. want every class to be weak except for whatever class THEY play.

Tan9oSuccka

I haven't been hit with a pigeon in months.

Mag Warden Nerf = Not needed.....period.

Truly L2P if Mag Wardens are giving you trouble.

Jade1986

ak_pvp wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Bird needs to be dodgable and reflectable. Its damage is fine IMO.

The 1 at a time idea sounded cool, but won't work since its a spammable.

Its literally the ONLY ranged attack that can not be dodged and reflected, it is the ONLY ability a pure ranged stamina build can use to damage reflect spammers and miat users.

And you think that is how it should be?

No.

That is why medium sucks, why wings suck, because crap tier players feel like they should always get free damage and can't be outplayed. Sure, miats bad, yada yada, I think everyone on the forums knows your stance. Its getting changed. So, answer this. Why after miats is gone, should an ability ignore 2 key counters that other projectiles have, making it as bad as a proc set.

As far as I am concerned. Once miats is gone, if you can't land a projectile hit, you have done something wrong.

Also, warden wings can absorb it.

So you think archer builds should not be able to damage people with reflect or dodge at all? Good to know. Wings should counter SOME things, it should not counter every damned ranged attack out there. Also, absorbing an attack is different than reflecting. Reflecting an animal would just be ridiculous. I would be ok with absorbing part of the damage, but not all, it is a summon in essence after all.

Also, calling people crap tier players, and then wanting to be 100% immune to all ranged attacks is pot calling kettle.

No, I am saying that dodging/reflecting should actually function on the set of attacks it was meant to function. Reflect only works on projectiles, not any ranged ability. Beams, dots, AoEs, ultimates etc are not included. Same with dodge, dots, ground based etc. Things like CCs, surprise, timing or brute force etc can be used. Because it is impossible to keep reflect/dodge up forever.

And if you can't deal with them, then too bad. You shouldn't be given it for free. Its like giving a class built in shield breaker.

On the logic side. OK, so birdy is an animal, so it can't be dodged or pushed back, but a can be conjured out of someones power to run and swing a sword, and can for some reason be absorbed by a magic block of ice and turned into mag... But nope, can't be dodged... I mean, i'd probably be able to dodge a pigeon irl. So...

Selective logic is NOT an excuse for ***, unbalanced and unfair hard counters.

EDIT: ignore the deleted bit if you see it, it was wrong person.

Bow ultimate is reflected as well. Even though it is, in essense a beam. And a giant block of ice would work like a wall for an animal, it would collide and probably go unconscious. Smacking it with a wing though would not reflect it.

Again, pot calling kettle expecting every single ranged attack to be reflected and not expecting a single ranged counter.

zaria

nerf demands should have an cost, 100 CP would be fitting.
See my signature for reason.

DoctorESO

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NiteAdder

OMG is this player for for real ????

Kalante

i am disgusted by the amount of people in this thread saying that bird spamming is ok and then they say they are off to bird spam. Should had guessed that the same people deafening bird spamming are the ones doing the bird spam. Classic eso. I guess they enjoy doing 3k to 5k damage without any effort at all. Warden is just a class for the skilled less. It makes the worst players in eso look good. They have everything, mobility increase, burst healing, burst damage, crit increase, resistance. Like LOL man. Good players don't bird spam but they crank up the warden to the next level and meta the **** out of it with Heavy of course, sword and board with a 2h. If you get caught on that burst you most likely will die unless you are another meta running scrub with heavy armor. This game is a joke. People in heavy running thinking they are good but really it's all just about boring out the fight.

Betsararie

SirCritical wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

Its not stam wardens pigeons that are broken in pvp. Its the absurd burst they do with subterreanean assault, heavy att, dawnbreaker, execute.

Wut?

The 2H execute?

What do you mean 'wut'

They have access to an execute, and make good use of it. It doesn't matter if it's a class execute or not.