Would you pay for a normal skin?

leeux

You should not be able to hide your vampirism

IMO is really busted that the game *forces* magicka chars to be vamp or bust... this game is so nonsensical.

I, for one, I would never make my chars vampires, and I deal the consequences of that having less regen and not having a easy escape in PvP.

Now you tell me that you want to hide one of the balancing aspects of the vampirism, just because you don't like the looks? Well, in that case, I'd want for ZOS to provide a benefit to being pure human.

Xundiin

I want a normal skin but it should be free

Davor wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

I hate how people are like "you made the choice of being vamp so you gotta live with the ugly looks". Like, it's such a stupid argument. Positives: sustain. Negatives: hugely increased fire damage taken and decreased health recovery. That's enough negatives to positives; we don't need to bring aesthetics into this matter.

Here's the thing: being a vampire in end-game PvE is pretty much a must due to that 10% stamina and magicka recovery being really useful in trials. If I am not a vampire, I'll have a much harder time sustaining my resources.

And you're telling me that it's a choice? A choice for what? Between looking good and being able to sustain a rotation? One's aesthetic and the other's an important stat boost. You can't convince me that being a vampire is not objectively better for end-game PvE content, and you can't tell me that my "choice" to remain viable in raids automatically means that I lose the right to look good while doing it.

I also hate when the game plays to lore and people want to change the lore just because they don't like it.

I really don't see the big deal unless this is a male playing a female character and then his beautiful toon turned ugly. Want to play ESO, then play ESO because in most cases it's right down to the lore in most cases and in The Elder Scrolls, vampires were never beautiful.

Want beautiful vampires there is always Twilight. :P

*edit*

And before anyone mentions Serena, she had to be beautiful for most males to keep playing because if she was ugly nobody would want her hanging around. So she is the exception than the rule.

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The only thing you see is they have white skin, discolored eyes, and maybe sunken in cheeks. You see the same thing with someone suffering from eating disorders.

You don't need to be pretty, but no where in lore did you ever get veiny, tattoos or warpaint fade, or you didn't get a spell that allowed you to "mind trick" people into thinking you where normal.

Aliyavana

Yes, I would pay for a normal skin

Davor wrote: »

HatchetHaro wrote: »

I hate how people are like "you made the choice of being vamp so you gotta live with the ugly looks". Like, it's such a stupid argument. Positives: sustain. Negatives: hugely increased fire damage taken and decreased health recovery. That's enough negatives to positives; we don't need to bring aesthetics into this matter.

Here's the thing: being a vampire in end-game PvE is pretty much a must due to that 10% stamina and magicka recovery being really useful in trials. If I am not a vampire, I'll have a much harder time sustaining my resources.

And you're telling me that it's a choice? A choice for what? Between looking good and being able to sustain a rotation? One's aesthetic and the other's an important stat boost. You can't convince me that being a vampire is not objectively better for end-game PvE content, and you can't tell me that my "choice" to remain viable in raids automatically means that I lose the right to look good while doing it.

I also hate when the game plays to lore and people want to change the lore just because they don't like it.

I really don't see the big deal unless this is a male playing a female character and then his beautiful toon turned ugly. Want to play ESO, then play ESO because in most cases it's right down to the lore in most cases and in The Elder Scrolls, vampires were never beautiful.

Want beautiful vampires there is always Twilight. :P

*edit*

And before anyone mentions Serena, she had to be beautiful for most males to keep playing because if she was ugly nobody would want her hanging around. So she is the exception than the rule.

You are nitpicking when lore supports vampires being hidden and even in-game dialogue saus vampires hide among the living. Don't you dare use lore as a justification when there is plenty of lore supporting a disguise

Hamfast

Others

Personally, while I like the idea of a quest line that would grant the skin, if you want the looks then do the quest, my real preference would be to change the progression of the vampirism so that if the player is at stage 1, they get their old skin tones (like the NPC) as we (My main is a Vamp) get into stage 2, 3 and 4 we should degenerate through the pale look into (At stage 4) a truly hideous visage.

While Vampirism is normally an affliction that requires death, but in ESO, vampirism can be cured. Standard vampire lore has it the only way to "Cure" a vampire is a wooden stake through the heart, and remove the head... then leave both parts out where the sun can finish the process. People bitten by a vampire that live do not turn until after they have died (some stories require drinking the blood of the vampire if they are to return as a full fledged vampire, otherwise they are more mindless spawn)

Vaoh

I want a normal skin but it should be free

We can:
• Wear Heavy Armor.... but apply a Robe costume to hide it
• Wear skins to outright hide our Vampirism/skin
• Wear a polymorph that entirely changes our appearance, including becoming a Werewolf Lord as a Vampire....
• Wear certain costumes/appearance options that hide Vampirism outright
• Have our helmet entirely disappear despite us wearing it

There’s legit no valid argument against being able to hide Vampirism. You can already do it along with others options that are far more “immersion-breaking”. Some people say you have to live with the consequences (appearance) yet you can hide your helmet already.... what happened to living with the consequences (appearance) of wearing a helmet?

You can also choose *not* to hide Vampirism. It’d be an option. Options = everyone wins

Whatever though. It legit makes no sense that we can’t do this when I can turn my Mag Sorc wearing robes into a metal person wearing the Emperor’s Regalia..... but hiding Vampirism is immersion-breaking huh

Aliyavana

Yes, I would pay for a normal skin

Vaoh wrote: »

We can:
• Wear Heavy Armor.... but apply a Robe costume to hide it
• Wear skins to outright hide our Vampirism/skin
• Wear a polymorph that entirely changes our appearance, including becoming a Werewolf Lord as a Vampire....
• Wear certain costumes/appearance options that hide Vampirism outright
• Have our helmet entirely disappear despite us wearing it

There’s legit no valid argument against being able to hide Vampirism. You can already do it along with others options that are far more “immersion-breaking”. Some people say you have to live with the consequences (appearance) yet you can hide your helmet already.... what happened to living with the consequences (appearance) of wearing a helmet?

You can also choose *not* to hide Vampirism. It’d be an option. Options = everyone wins

Whatever though. It legit makes no sense that we can’t do this when I can turn my Mag Sorc wearing robes into a metal person wearing the Emperor’s Regalia..... but hiding Vampirism is immersion-breaking huh

Exactly, these people want to force their false rp into actually justifiable rp

Hrogun

I want a normal skin but it should be free

It should definitely be free.

bottleofsyrup

Yes, I would pay for a normal skin

It doesn't matter to me one way or another, but I always get entertained by the people who reply to these threads offended by the suggestion.

Aliyavana

Yes, I would pay for a normal skin

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

It doesn't matter to me one way or another, but I always get entertained by the people who reply to these threads offended by the suggestion.

IKR! OMG vampires would totally look like monsters in public! mah non canocal IMMERSIONS! cough illusion magic, couch count verandis, cough get over it

Oakmontowls_ESO

You should not be able to hide your vampirism

But the player character doesn't know illusion magic, only destruction and restoration.

starkerealm

Yes, I would pay for a normal skin

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

“No” to players wanting all the privileges of being a vampire without the appearance that’s been well-established in Elder Scrolls lore ... which by the way is a cosmetic issue only.

So, this would be a bad time to remind you that there are vampires in lore who can hide their appearance? Including in The Elder Scrolls Online?

duendology

You should not be able to hide your vampirism

Wintergreen wrote: »

It's so interesting when people bring out the "you made your bed now lie in it" argument. It's one of the most annoying things someone can say, like they actually derive pleasure from another person's displeasure, and in this case it's an unknown person playing a vampire character who would like their character to look better -- as if that's some capitol crime.

Actually it's simpler than that. And you pointlessly attach more meaning to it than there is. Yes, it s your choice. You choose the stage 4 (starvation) you will look like a starving vamp. Period.

Vampires from Stoker to Rice (and apparently in Elder Scrolls lore as well) have been beautiful or at least not disgusting. Those of us who play vampire characters are not being unreasonable for wanting an option out of the ugly.

You, obviously, have not read those passages (from Stoker or) ANNE RICE where Lestat describes himself what he looks like when he's starving or when he just woke up from almost two hundreds years sleep..He looks even worse than ESO vamps stage 4. Only Twilight vamps look pwwwetty all the time.

I doubt when you see vamps in Skyrim or in ESO lore they present themselves to you in stage 4 ... Think
So, yes, it's your choice.. live with it...

I think everyone should be glad they don't look like goddamned Nosferatu..

MLGProPlayer

Yes, I would pay for a normal skin

Sheezabeast wrote: »

On the flip side would you want someone in Werewolf form performing Werewolf attacks but appear like a normal character, just a character jumping and clawing? I didn't think so. That's what you're wanting for Vampire, to use all the abilities with none of the physical transformation.

People don't use vampire skills. They become vampires for the regen passive.

Make it so you are a vampire/werewolf only if you have an active vampire/werewolf skill on your skill bar.

MLGProPlayer

Yes, I would pay for a normal skin

leeux wrote: »

IMO is really busted that the game *forces* magicka chars to be vamp or bust... this game is so nonsensical.

I, for one, I would never make my chars vampires, and I deal the consequences of that having less regen and not having a easy escape in PvP.

Now you tell me that you want to hide one of the balancing aspects of the vampirism, just because you don't like the looks? Well, in that case, I'd want for ZOS to provide a benefit to being pure human.

It's not a balancing aspect because it has nothing to do with gameplay. You can't balance appearance.

MLGProPlayer

Yes, I would pay for a normal skin

duendology wrote: »

Only Twilight vamps look pwwwetty all the time.

I doubt when you see vamps in Skyrim or in ESO lore they present themselves to you in stage 4 ... Think
So, yes, it's your choice.. live with it...

From the very first page...

MLGProPlayer

Yes, I would pay for a normal skin

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

How about stop being a vampire, since everyone is so butthurt about what it looks like? It's not like you're forced into it.

You kind of are. The resource regen buff is mandatory for PvE endgame.

MLGProPlayer

Yes, I would pay for a normal skin

Vaoh wrote: »

We can:
• Wear Heavy Armor.... but apply a Robe costume to hide it
• Wear skins to outright hide our Vampirism/skin
• Wear a polymorph that entirely changes our appearance, including becoming a Werewolf Lord as a Vampire....
• Wear certain costumes/appearance options that hide Vampirism outright
• Have our helmet entirely disappear despite us wearing it

There’s legit no valid argument against being able to hide Vampirism. You can already do it along with others options that are far more “immersion-breaking”. Some people say you have to live with the consequences (appearance) yet you can hide your helmet already.... what happened to living with the consequences (appearance) of wearing a helmet?

You can also choose *not* to hide Vampirism. It’d be an option. Options = everyone wins

Whatever though. It legit makes no sense that we can’t do this when I can turn my Mag Sorc wearing robes into a metal person wearing the Emperor’s Regalia..... but hiding Vampirism is immersion-breaking huh

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The only reason people don't want an option to hide vampirism is because they're jaded and don't want others to have fun.

The best part is that the ability to hide vampirism is 100% in the lore (NPCs in this game even have the ability to do it). There is absolutely no argument to be made against it. But even if it wasn't lore-appropriate, that isn't an argument either because of all the other immersion-breaking items you listed.

Tasear

I want a normal skin but it should be free

Maybe just throw it into doc and have us keep eyes or something?

SydneyGrey

Yes, I would pay for a normal skin

Wintergreen wrote: »

It's so interesting when people bring out the "you made your bed now lie in it" argument. It's one of the most annoying things someone can say, like they actually derive pleasure from another person's displeasure, and in this case it's an unknown person playing a vampire character who would like their character to look better -- as if that's some capitol crime.

I know, right? It doesn't affect them AT ALL, and yet they want to dictate how other people should be allowed to enjoy their game. It doesn't imbalance PvP, it doesn't create bots, it doesn't cause items to spontaneously disappear from their inventories, it doesn't destroy the in-game economy. It wouldn't do a dang thing except make some people happy, but God forbid, we can't have that now, can we.
The biggest irony is that if the game had originally launched with an option to hide vampirism, they wouldn't be saying a dang thing. I think they just can't stand change.

I wouldn't really want vampirism hidden completely for myself, so much as just the look toned down a bit, but if people want to hide it completely, I'm fine with letting people play the way they want to.

Azurya

No, I won't pay for a normal skin

no RL money for cosmetics ingame.

newtinmpls

You should not be able to hide your vampirism

And more NPCs should be afraid of you, merchants charge more and so on.

Betsararie

I want a normal skin but it should be free

Should we really have to pay for merely our normal skin?

This isn't something you pay for people.... it should be a toggle and it should be free. Vampire looks like ass

VDoom1

No, I won't pay for a normal skin

Actually not sure about this. Vampirism should be visible, but if it stays true to Elder Scrolls lore perhaps take it down a notch. Match it to previous games. Skyrim vampires looked pretty cool, Oblivion...not to much. xD So maybe make it a bit less visible. However, I would not want to pay for it.

So perhaps an update to vampire appearances, and make the changes free.

duendology

You should not be able to hide your vampirism

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

From the very first page...

Hmm not sure what your point is?
How do you know exactly it is a stage 4 or not? Did they tell you? LOL

This whining about vamp skin and appearance is just lame... it really is. duh

duendology

You should not be able to hide your vampirism

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Wintergreen wrote: »

It's so interesting when people bring out the "you made your bed now lie in it" argument. It's one of the most annoying things someone can say, like they actually derive pleasure from another person's displeasure, and in this case it's an unknown person playing a vampire character who would like their character to look better -- as if that's some capitol crime.

I know, right? It doesn't affect them AT ALL, and yet they want to dictate how other people should be allowed to enjoy their game. It doesn't imbalance PvP, it doesn't create bots, it doesn't cause items to spontaneously disappear from their inventories, it doesn't destroy the in-game economy. It wouldn't do a dang thing except make some people happy, but God forbid, we can't have that now, can we.
The biggest irony is that if the game had originally launched with an option to hide vampirism, they wouldn't be saying a dang thing. I think they just can't stand change.

I wouldn't really want vampirism hidden completely for myself, so much as just the look toned down a bit, but if people want to hide it completely, I'm fine with letting people play the way they want to.

Wow, you're so dramatic now. You're whining about vamp appearance ...how about I'll start whining about how damned disadvantaged werewolves are in comparison to vamps, huh? I can't, and many other wolves, play it the way we want it and enjoy it.. You can enjoy passives all the time.. while werewolves can only when they're in werewolf form and have active ability slotted. Forgive me if I laugh at your genuine pain considering vamp ugly appearance..
Aww vampires are so "speciul"...
Ha Ha Ha and more Ha Ha Ha.
o_0

Zimbugga

You should not be able to hide your vampirism

How many time it must tell to you? Vampires are pale.... If you don't like it then don't be a vampire, simple. You can be strong without vampirism.

Shad0wfire99

Others

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

How about stop being a vampire, since everyone is so butthurt about what it looks like? It's not like you're forced into it.

You kind of are. The resource regen buff is mandatory for PvE endgame.

No, it actually isn't. The extra regen is barely noticeable, if at all. Unless you're pushing leaderboard scores, which doesn't really fall into the realm of rp, it's a far cry from mandatory.

Nerouyn

Others

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

This get's thrown around a lot, but it's not true. There are plenty of NPCs in TES games that hide their vampirisim (including one in this game).

Who are these plenty?

As I recall from Morrowind the only method by which you could hide vampirism was the Masque of Clavicus Vile, i.e. covering your entire face.

Aliyavana

Yes, I would pay for a normal skin

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

But the player character doesn't know illusion magic, only destruction and restoration.

Polymorphs

Aliyavana

Yes, I would pay for a normal skin

Zimbugga wrote: »

How many time it must tell to you? Vampires are pale.... If you don't like it then don't be a vampire, simple. You can be strong without vampirism.

Lore