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ZOS, stop shutting down posts by moving them into dead categories.
Geroken777
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It is out of hand,
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4723235#Comment_4723235
How does this have anything to do with general help? Not even a reply from you guys in moving the post.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4723235#Comment_4723235
How does this have anything to do with general help? Not even a reply from you guys in moving the post.
The self-righteous shall choke on their sanctimony.
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MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭While it's supposedly "helpful" to have categories for posts the truth is most people just look at General and ZOS knows this. That's all I'm gonna say.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!9 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭General Help is the forum for account issues, that topic was about an account issue.
Actually, they could simply have locked or deleted it as it discussed another player's individual account, so perhaps moving it wasn't so harsh.Edited by Tandor on December 20, 2017 11:50PM2 -
Geroken777✭✭✭✭✭General Help is the forum for account issues, that topic was about an account issue.
Actually, they could simply have locked or deleted it as it discussed another player's individual account, so perhaps moving it wasn't so harsh.
That post is mainly critisising ZOS's choices instead of focusing on actual recovery of the account, whilst many other posts like these:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/385964/crowns-are-on-sale-ps4#latest - needs to be crown store category. It probably is not there so it gets noticed by all players.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/382944/a-compromise-in-the-crate-gambling-debate/p1 - this is a thread about gambling in ESO, which in relative does relate to crown store with crown crates. However, it is mainly suggesting about how the game is becoming a casino instead of focusing on actual crown store. This has a place in general discussion as well.
Including, we need to have all of the New Life Festival events into Events & Contests category as well if we are continuing with the current logic of ZOS's thread moving. They seem to ignore the threads that are generally are positive about the game despite it being in the wrong category, while moving threads with negative opinions which justify into dead categories. Talk about cherry picking.
Haven't you noticed that the reason a mod has not replied in to the post is because it would still technically be in general discussion for a period of time?
Edited by Geroken777 on December 21, 2017 12:07AMThe self-righteous shall choke on their sanctimony.5 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There are plenty of negative threads about e.g. performance and PvP that are left in the General Discussion forum rather than being moved to the correct forum. People just regard the General Discussion forum as the place to post regardless, purely because they think their topic is so important that it must be seen by as many players as possible, even more so when the title is in caps. Personally I'd rather more were moved but there are far too many for the mods to cope with. There's certainly no evidence that they only move the negative ones.2 -
Geroken777✭✭✭✭✭There are plenty of negative threads about e.g. performance and PvP that are left in the General Discussion forum rather than being moved to the correct forum. People just regard the General Discussion forum as the place to post regardless, purely because they think their topic is so important that it must be seen by as many players as possible, even more so when the title is in caps. Personally I'd rather more were moved but there are far too many for the mods to cope with. There's certainly no evidence that they only move the negative ones.
Certainly there is no evidence, however the experience from some players have been like this. I am not trying to show that ALL moved threads are negative, because of course they are not, but most of critical threads which impose of destroying ZOS's reputation tend to be suppressed in a very quick and silent action. Yet again if you ask for evidence, I have none since i can not gather data of ZOS's practices other than abusing human psychology by adding radiant mounts. Sadly most gaming companies are doing this now, however they have a direct market where you can purchase the rare item straight away.Edited by Geroken777 on December 21, 2017 12:43AMThe self-righteous shall choke on their sanctimony.0 -
code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Pfft. Take off your tinfoil hat.- By moving threads to the correct subforum, maybe they are trying to get us to use the right subforum. And perhaps then these subforums won't be so "dead"?
- I browse the forum using the Recent view, which aggregates from all the subforums. Not by looking in General Discussions. Many people--particularly long-time forum goers--already do this.
- One of my recent threads--about what kinds of furnishings people got during the event--was moved out of General. The thread and its replies had absolutely nothing negative or critical of ZOS. Most of the moves that I've seen are of threads that are not negative/critical. But you often don't notice those threads to begin with, I suspect.
Edited by code65536 on December 21, 2017 12:49AMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
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Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There was also a thread wishing people a Merry Christmas that was moved to Community Creations
Just putting it out there."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."6 -
Geroken777✭✭✭✭✭Pfft. Take off your tinfoil hat.
- By moving threads to the correct subforum, maybe they are trying to get us to use the right subforum. And perhaps then these subforums won't be so "dead"?
- I browse the forum using the Recent view, which aggregates from all the subforums. Not by looking in General Discussions. Many people--particularly long-time forum goers--already do this.
- One of my recent threads--about what kinds of furnishings people got during the event--was moved out of General. The thread and its replies had absolutely nothing negative or critical of ZOS. Most of the moves that I've seen are of threads that are not negative/critical. But you often don't notice those threads to begin with, I suspect.
1. If they were to try regain activity in these subforms, there are much more effective ways.
2. There are many more new players than veterans. Most forum users here tend to only look at general discussion.
3. I haven't said that ALL moved posts are negative.
The self-righteous shall choke on their sanctimony.1 -
MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZOS's forum moderation falls somewhere between their RNG and their gameplay balance in terms of quality.
This is also a forum where calling people out on their cruelty to others can get your post edited and you a warning. This probably has as much to do with the fact that bullies are cowards and are crazy-quick to report when they feel they've been attacked, but the fact pointing out cruelty (which is pretty much an obligation of any ethical human being) is more heavily punished here than cruelty itself. That's not okay.Edited by MasterSpatula on December 21, 2017 1:06AM"A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle5 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Geroken777 wrote: »It is out of hand,
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/4723235#Comment_4723235
How does this have anything to do with general help? Not even a reply from you guys in moving the post.
First, many use the Recent tab to look at what threads are, well, recent. It is also poor forum management to have all threads in one section of the forums as many get lost fast.5 -
WhiteCoatSyndrome✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭First, many use the Recent tab to look at what threads are, well, recent.
^This, it took me a long time to realize so many people don't spend the majority of their time in Recent.#proud2BAStarObsessedLoony
PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
A useful explanation for how RNG works
How to turn off the sustainability features (screen dimming, fps cap) on PC1 -
SydneyGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Not everything can go into General Discussion. The funniest is when people make a thread about Crown Store stuff, and then ZOS moves it to the Crown Store section, and the person who posted it has the nerve to complain.3 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's our fault as users to be completely ignoring all the other categories in the first place. Community Creations is where you go to show off your fan art or screenshots etc, yet I keep seeing SO MANY "Show Us Your..." threads popping up in General Discussion, like people don't know how to move their eyes a little more down the page to see the other categories.CP2,000 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Sixty5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Why not just join the master race an just browse recent?Lord and Savior of the Association of Serious S***posters.
I play a character called "Gives Me Wood Elf" because I am a mature and sensible person.
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code65536✭✭✭✭✭
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You strongly suggested it with your thread's accusatory and inflammatory title.Geroken777 wrote: »3. I haven't said that ALL moved posts are negative.
Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorOther Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information1 -
geonsocal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭just more of the "man" trying to keep us all down...
Power to the Posters!!!Edited by geonsocal on December 21, 2017 4:06AMPVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place2 -
ThePrinceOfBargains✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's our fault as users to be completely ignoring all the other categories in the first place. Community Creations is where you go to show off your fan art or screenshots etc, yet I keep seeing SO MANY "Show Us Your..." threads popping up in General Discussion, like people don't know how to move their eyes a little more down the page to see the other categories.
Personally, I’d rather the mod just delete any topic I have than move it to Community Creations.1 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why is it so hard for people to check the other catogories?
Agreed.
Incidentally, people refer erroneously to things being moved to a "sub-forum", or to people not reading "sub-forums". There's no such thing as a sub-forum, all the forums have the same degree of prominence under the various category titles on the forum list. All it takes is for people to see which forum best relates to their topic, rather than dumping everything in General Discussion because they think that way more people will read their important contribution.2 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Problem is the very definition of general covers everything.
Further I could move almost every thread in the general forum to one that matches the topic more.
Edited by TequilaFire on December 21, 2017 3:34PM2
