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Structured Entropy vs Purifying Light...

  • TheDoomsdayMonster
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    Minno wrote: »
    Wait, do you mean per cast? That would make sense.

    No, it's per Sweep...not per cast.

    At current, one cast of Sweeps (with Purifying Light and Continuous Assault) can net me around 24k damage against the trash in the Sewers...

    With my Spell Crit being at 63%, I get around 18k damage total on average (with average being 2 Crit and 2 non Crits)...

    I think you are seeing burning light procs with ESO's DMG counter. 6400 crit divided by 1.5 crit DMG modifier is about 4266 (which points towards burning light).

    I know I used to think the same due to how much the visual opacity for that number hides the sweeps numbers'font.

    I know the burning light proc when I see it, and that's not it...

    I repeat, my Sweeps at current hit for 6k per Sweep with Purifying Light...
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  • CatchMeTrolling
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    I don’t like war maiden on a Templar, I feel julianos is more fitting but this obviously depends on if you want war maiden on your jewelry.
  • TheDoomsdayMonster
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    Either way, you should try to have both degeneration and purifying on your bar. Purifying one of the best damage dealing AND/OR support skills in the game for group pvp. The heals as well, so you can have up to 6 pools healing your team.

    Now on this point, we 100% see eye to eye with one another...

    Purifying Light is awesome...

    I'd even take it one step further and say that its one of the best abilities solo as well...
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  • dsalter
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    light seems superior, it forces enemies to purge. purge isnt cheap unless your yourself run a templar healer
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  • Joy_Division
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    Either way, you should try to have both degeneration and purifying on your bar. Purifying one of the best damage dealing AND/OR support skills in the game for group pvp. The heals as well, so you can have up to 6 pools healing your team.

    Now on this point, we 100% see eye to eye with one another...

    Purifying Light is awesome...

    I'd even take it one step further and say that its one of the best abilities solo as well...
    One of my bars is exclusively for Healing and Defense, so as pertains performing those functions, all of those abilities on that bar are superior to Purifying Light; that probably doesn't make sense to you though given how limited your thinking seems to be...

    Edited by Joy_Division on December 20, 2017 6:08AM
  • Ultimate_Overlord
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    Theres a difference between playing solo and zerg surfing. @TheDoomsdayMonster You say you sometimes manage to 1vx, but what happens the rest of the time? Horse simulator? 1v1s? Any half competent player would destroy your pile of garbage build 1v1, and thats just the truth, and if youre saying that you can actually play solo without being outnumbered 99% of the time then youre lying.
    And before anyone says his build isnt garbage: hes a full divines vamp in light using combat physician.
    Either way, my point will prob fly right by the op, since high lvl performance is a foreign concept to him, considering that the "good players" he kills die to his super complex bats+jab spam combo, as he mentioned in other threads. Its kinda scary to think what is actually considered bad performance by him if he sets his bar this low. I could also go on about any decent player never dying to a magplar without pol, or the op contradicting himself countless times.
    @CatchMeTrolling I am sorry are you that console guy that got 1vxed as emp back in the day?
    @Minno My point is that playing in a group larger than 3 is easy, speaking from experience, and if youre playing solo-trio you will inevitably be outnumbered most of the time in cyro. You can bash 1vxers for killing pve scrubs a lot of the time, that doesnt change the fact that its still objectively the most skill demanding plastyle in the game.
    Edited by Ultimate_Overlord on December 20, 2017 6:42AM
  • Trashs1
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    slot purifieing light and use the cheap magica mayor sorcers pots from cryo
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  • CatchMeTrolling
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    Theres a difference between playing solo and zerg surfing. TheDoomsdayMonster You say you sometimes manage to 1vx, but what happens the rest of the time? Horse simulator? 1v1s? Any half competent player would destroy your pile of garbage build 1v1, and thats just the truth, and if youre saying that you can actually play solo without being outnumbered 99% of the time then youre lying.
    And before anyone says his build isnt garbage: hes a full divines vamp in light using combat physician.
    Either way, my point will prob fly right by the op, since high lvl performance is a foreign concept to him, considering that the "good players" he kills die to his super complex bats+jab spam combo, as he mentioned in other threads. Its kinda scary to think what is actually considered bad performance by him if he sets his bar this low. I could also go on about any decent player never dying to a magplar without pol, or the op contradicting himself countless times.
    CatchMeTrolling I am sorry are you that console guy that got 1vxed as emp back in the day?
    @Minno My point is that playing in a group larger than 3 is easy, speaking from experience, and if youre playing solo-trio you will inevitably be outnumbered most of the time in cyro. You can bash 1vxers for killing pve scrubs a lot of the time, that doesnt change the fact that its still objectively the most skill demanding plastyle in the game.

    Had zero cp or gear & I basically got proxy bombed by king Richard off guard on a sorc with about 400 cp in 1.6 , I don’t see how bringing up something almost 3 yrs ago is even pertinent. Especially when I ended up being one of the best magplars on console and one of the few to pull off 1vx on a magplar when it was unheard of.

    So yes I got ”1vxed” but as a result I learned from my mistakes as a noob. Albeit, if that was your attempt to be insulting that says more about you than me. You come off as someone that’s full of yourself as if you’re overcompensating for something, that or you simply don’t know how to talk to people. Personally it’s a game so if I kill people gg & if I die I spawn back up, ego is pointless.
  • Ultimate_Overlord
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    @CatchMeTrolling While i did apologise in advance, i guess it was a bit too agressive and unreasonable of me to say that, though you were kind of agressive towards me as well. But, op did mention large group pvp, and since you did say that you are a solo magplar player, you should agree that, considering his build and questionable choices, the only type of content op could perform well in is zerging/xv1. I am not bashing on him due to him having a different opinion, its not just different - its objectively flawed. You can see how inexperienced and delusional he is, dont agree with him, otherwise you are just feeding his ignorance.
    Edited by Ultimate_Overlord on December 20, 2017 8:26AM
  • CatchMeTrolling
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    CatchMeTrolling While i did apologise in advance, i guess it was a bit too agressive and unreasonable of me to say that, though you were kind of agressive towards me as well. But, op did mention large group pvp, and since you did say that you are a solo magplar player, you should agree that, considering his build and questionable choices, the only type of content op could perform well in is zerging/xv1. I am not bashing on him due to him having a different opinion, its not just different - its objectively flawed. You can see how inexperienced and delusional he is, dont agree with him, otherwise you are just feeding his ignorance.

    No I was just being honest, wasn’t said out of aggression or to offend, if that’s how you interpreted it then my bad. I didn’t look at the gear so i have no opinion on that , what I was saying was that I don’t think entropy is a necessity but that also doesn’t mean I’m downplaying it’s worth.
  • TheDoomsdayMonster
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    Either way, you should try to have both degeneration and purifying on your bar. Purifying one of the best damage dealing AND/OR support skills in the game for group pvp. The heals as well, so you can have up to 6 pools healing your team.

    Now on this point, we 100% see eye to eye with one another...

    Purifying Light is awesome...

    I'd even take it one step further and say that its one of the best abilities solo as well...
    One of my bars is exclusively for Healing and Defense, so as pertains performing those functions, all of those abilities on that bar are superior to Purifying Light; that probably doesn't make sense to you though given how limited your thinking seems to be...

    And your point??

    Yes, I feel Purifying Light is awesome, but it's healing is inferior to those on my Healing Bar and it's not a Defensive ability...

    So, I don't know what you are trying to prove by cherry picking my posts...
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  • TheDoomsdayMonster
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    Theres a difference between playing solo and zerg surfing. @TheDoomsdayMonster You say you sometimes manage to 1vx, but what happens the rest of the time? Horse simulator? 1v1s? Any half competent player would destroy your pile of garbage build 1v1, and thats just the truth, and if youre saying that you can actually play solo without being outnumbered 99% of the time then youre lying.
    And before anyone says his build isnt garbage: hes a full divines vamp in light using combat physician.
    Either way, my point will prob fly right by the op, since high lvl performance is a foreign concept to him, considering that the "good players" he kills die to his super complex bats+jab spam combo, as he mentioned in other threads. Its kinda scary to think what is actually considered bad performance by him if he sets his bar this low. I could also go on about any decent player never dying to a magplar without pol, or the op contradicting himself countless times.
    @CatchMeTrolling I am sorry are you that console guy that got 1vxed as emp back in the day?
    @Minno My point is that playing in a group larger than 3 is easy, speaking from experience, and if youre playing solo-trio you will inevitably be outnumbered most of the time in cyro. You can bash 1vxers for killing pve scrubs a lot of the time, that doesnt change the fact that its still objectively the most skill demanding plastyle in the game.

    @Ultimate_Overlord

    You call my build garbage, but have you used it yourself or seen it in action?

    A simple yes or no answer will do...

    Of course an answer of no is an admission that you are speaking ignorantly as you are speaking on something you've never seen in action or experienced 1st hand...


    You are in this thread doing what a few others have done before; filling it up with BS assumptions that are not true...

    Either debate the thread topic or check out of this thread...

    It's that simple...
    Edited by TheDoomsdayMonster on December 20, 2017 1:49PM
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  • HowlKimchi
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    If you’re not using major sorc pots/rattlecage set, this shouldn’t be a tough decision; choose entropy.

    Major sorcery makes your heals and damage stronger.
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  • Minno
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    Theres a difference between playing solo and zerg surfing. @TheDoomsdayMonster You say you sometimes manage to 1vx, but what happens the rest of the time? Horse simulator? 1v1s? Any half competent player would destroy your pile of garbage build 1v1, and thats just the truth, and if youre saying that you can actually play solo without being outnumbered 99% of the time then youre lying.
    And before anyone says his build isnt garbage: hes a full divines vamp in light using combat physician.
    Either way, my point will prob fly right by the op, since high lvl performance is a foreign concept to him, considering that the "good players" he kills die to his super complex bats+jab spam combo, as he mentioned in other threads. Its kinda scary to think what is actually considered bad performance by him if he sets his bar this low. I could also go on about any decent player never dying to a magplar without pol, or the op contradicting himself countless times.
    @CatchMeTrolling I am sorry are you that console guy that got 1vxed as emp back in the day?
    @Minno My point is that playing in a group larger than 3 is easy, speaking from experience, and if youre playing solo-trio you will inevitably be outnumbered most of the time in cyro. You can bash 1vxers for killing pve scrubs a lot of the time, that doesnt change the fact that its still objectively the most skill demanding plastyle in the game.

    I was just highlighting the hypocrity of the situation. Everyone bashes what makes them feel like they had no control over dominating over.

    1vx only succeeds if your enemy is playing terrible and if his build/classes isn't self sufficient. Sometimes non-meta crafting can't be 1vx compatible because ZoS really doesn't consider 1vx to be their design intent (AOE caps, rapids cost increase, BGs being 4-man teams instead of 1 man teams, adding objective based play, etc). So a majority of the sets are terrible outside using them to compliment sets outside your limited 8 bar setup. For example, in BGs, I can move inner light to the degeneration slot if a DK is in my group buffing the team or I can maybe add purge mechanics/armor buffs to the team with the stendars set or meterious service set if there's already a Magblade rocking transmutation and a Sorc rocking wizard reposte.

    "Zerging" gets A bad rep, because it's often light attack brigades killing 1vx players without mercy. But Frontline fighting is xv1? Highly doubtful, it's just randomized 30v30v30 BGs without pop caps lol. And I prefer Frontline fighting over trying to pretend the game is skillful game; till they add a comprehensive raiting system and better class balance it never will be skillful.

    Point being, this game was originally about skill, then money got involved because they saw they weren't capturing the Oblivion/Skyrim crowds so they dumbed it down so you could "play as you want".
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  • BroanBeast1215
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    Theres a difference between playing solo and zerg surfing. @TheDoomsdayMonster You say you sometimes manage to 1vx, but what happens the rest of the time? Horse simulator? 1v1s? Any half competent player would destroy your pile of garbage build 1v1, and thats just the truth, and if youre saying that you can actually play solo without being outnumbered 99% of the time then youre lying.
    And before anyone says his build isnt garbage: hes a full divines vamp in light using combat physician.
    Either way, my point will prob fly right by the op, since high lvl performance is a foreign concept to him, considering that the "good players" he kills die to his super complex bats+jab spam combo, as he mentioned in other threads. Its kinda scary to think what is actually considered bad performance by him if he sets his bar this low. I could also go on about any decent player never dying to a magplar without pol, or the op contradicting himself countless times.
    @CatchMeTrolling I am sorry are you that console guy that got 1vxed as emp back in the day?
    @Minno My point is that playing in a group larger than 3 is easy, speaking from experience, and if youre playing solo-trio you will inevitably be outnumbered most of the time in cyro. You can bash 1vxers for killing pve scrubs a lot of the time, that doesnt change the fact that its still objectively the most skill demanding plastyle in the game.



    lol qft and qfe
  • Neoauspex
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    Magplars, magplars... Let's stop all this bickering amongst ourselves. We need to unify and continue the neverending forum-crusade against the next batch of Templar nerfs.

    But definitely run Purifying Light in PvP.
  • Minno
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    Neoauspex wrote: »
    Magplars, magplars... Let's stop all this bickering amongst ourselves. We need to unify and continue the neverending forum-crusade against the next batch of Templar nerfs.

    But definitely run Purifying Light in PvP.

    Templars are the DC NA of classes lol

    Yes purfying light + major sorcery at all times. Find a source, and find a spot on the bar/pocket DK.
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  • TheDoomsdayMonster
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    Theres a difference between playing solo and zerg surfing. @TheDoomsdayMonster You say you sometimes manage to 1vx, but what happens the rest of the time? Horse simulator? 1v1s? Any half competent player would destroy your pile of garbage build 1v1, and thats just the truth, and if youre saying that you can actually play solo without being outnumbered 99% of the time then youre lying.
    And before anyone says his build isnt garbage: hes a full divines vamp in light using combat physician.
    Either way, my point will prob fly right by the op, since high lvl performance is a foreign concept to him, considering that the "good players" he kills die to his super complex bats+jab spam combo, as he mentioned in other threads. Its kinda scary to think what is actually considered bad performance by him if he sets his bar this low. I could also go on about any decent player never dying to a magplar without pol, or the op contradicting himself countless times.
    @CatchMeTrolling I am sorry are you that console guy that got 1vxed as emp back in the day?
    @Minno My point is that playing in a group larger than 3 is easy, speaking from experience, and if youre playing solo-trio you will inevitably be outnumbered most of the time in cyro. You can bash 1vxers for killing pve scrubs a lot of the time, that doesnt change the fact that its still objectively the most skill demanding plastyle in the game.



    lol qft and qfe

    You are quoting ignorance that rivals your own...

    I do Imperial City more than anything, so I fail to see how that fits in with horse simulator and zerg surfing...

    @Ultimate_Overlord is speaking ignorantly in the post you quoted; just as you did earlier...
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  • BroanBeast1215
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    Theres a difference between playing solo and zerg surfing. @TheDoomsdayMonster You say you sometimes manage to 1vx, but what happens the rest of the time? Horse simulator? 1v1s? Any half competent player would destroy your pile of garbage build 1v1, and thats just the truth, and if youre saying that you can actually play solo without being outnumbered 99% of the time then youre lying.
    And before anyone says his build isnt garbage: hes a full divines vamp in light using combat physician.
    Either way, my point will prob fly right by the op, since high lvl performance is a foreign concept to him, considering that the "good players" he kills die to his super complex bats+jab spam combo, as he mentioned in other threads. Its kinda scary to think what is actually considered bad performance by him if he sets his bar this low. I could also go on about any decent player never dying to a magplar without pol, or the op contradicting himself countless times.
    @CatchMeTrolling I am sorry are you that console guy that got 1vxed as emp back in the day?
    @Minno My point is that playing in a group larger than 3 is easy, speaking from experience, and if youre playing solo-trio you will inevitably be outnumbered most of the time in cyro. You can bash 1vxers for killing pve scrubs a lot of the time, that doesnt change the fact that its still objectively the most skill demanding plastyle in the game.



    lol qft and qfe

    You are quoting ignorance that rivals your own...

    I do Imperial City more than anything, so I fail to see how that fits in with horse simulator and zerg surfing...

    @Ultimate_Overlord is speaking ignorantly in the post you quoted; just as you did earlier...

    the same way I know the combo of plague doctor+green pact isn't viable for pvp I know your build is a hot mess. sorry not sorry
  • TheDoomsdayMonster
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    Theres a difference between playing solo and zerg surfing. @TheDoomsdayMonster You say you sometimes manage to 1vx, but what happens the rest of the time? Horse simulator? 1v1s? Any half competent player would destroy your pile of garbage build 1v1, and thats just the truth, and if youre saying that you can actually play solo without being outnumbered 99% of the time then youre lying.
    And before anyone says his build isnt garbage: hes a full divines vamp in light using combat physician.
    Either way, my point will prob fly right by the op, since high lvl performance is a foreign concept to him, considering that the "good players" he kills die to his super complex bats+jab spam combo, as he mentioned in other threads. Its kinda scary to think what is actually considered bad performance by him if he sets his bar this low. I could also go on about any decent player never dying to a magplar without pol, or the op contradicting himself countless times.
    @CatchMeTrolling I am sorry are you that console guy that got 1vxed as emp back in the day?
    @Minno My point is that playing in a group larger than 3 is easy, speaking from experience, and if youre playing solo-trio you will inevitably be outnumbered most of the time in cyro. You can bash 1vxers for killing pve scrubs a lot of the time, that doesnt change the fact that its still objectively the most skill demanding plastyle in the game.



    lol qft and qfe

    You are quoting ignorance that rivals your own...

    I do Imperial City more than anything, so I fail to see how that fits in with horse simulator and zerg surfing...

    @Ultimate_Overlord is speaking ignorantly in the post you quoted; just as you did earlier...

    the same way I know the combo of plague doctor+green pact isn't viable for pvp I know your build is a hot mess. sorry not sorry

    Are you here to debate Purifying Light vs Structured Entropy or are you here to troll something that is off topic?
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  • Brutusmax1mus
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    There's no debate @TheDoomsdayMonster . If you're not getting major sorcery from potions, u need entropy. If you aren't using purifying light, you're not killing anyone good.
    Edited by Brutusmax1mus on December 20, 2017 6:35PM
  • TheDoomsdayMonster
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    There's no debate @TheDoomsdayMonster . If you're not getting major sorcery from potions, u need entropy. If you aren't using purifying light, you're not killing anyone good.

    Let's simplify this...

    Let's throw builds, what can be done to improve them, and all the rest out the window...

    Forget those things...


    Let's pretend someone put a gun to your head and forced you to slot Structured Entropy OR Purifying Light...

    Which would you slot?
    Edited by TheDoomsdayMonster on December 20, 2017 10:46PM
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  • WreckfulAbandon
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    There's no debate @TheDoomsdayMonster . If you're not getting major sorcery from potions, u need entropy. If you aren't using purifying light, you're not killing anyone good.

    Let's simplify this...

    Let's throw builds, what can be done to improve them, and all the rest out the window...

    Forget those things...


    Let's pretend someone put a gun to your head and forced you to slot Structured Entropy OR Purifying Light...

    Which would you slot?

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  • Neoauspex
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    There's no debate @TheDoomsdayMonster . If you're not getting major sorcery from potions, u need entropy. If you aren't using purifying light, you're not killing anyone good.

    Let's simplify this...

    Let's throw builds, what can be done to improve them, and all the rest out the window...

    Forget those things...


    Let's pretend someone put a gun to your head and forced you to slot Structured Entropy OR Purifying Light...

    Which would you slot?

    I'd say "shoot me"
  • TheDoomsdayMonster
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    Neoauspex wrote: »
    There's no debate @TheDoomsdayMonster . If you're not getting major sorcery from potions, u need entropy. If you aren't using purifying light, you're not killing anyone good.

    Let's simplify this...

    Let's throw builds, what can be done to improve them, and all the rest out the window...

    Forget those things...


    Let's pretend someone put a gun to your head and forced you to slot Structured Entropy OR Purifying Light...

    Which would you slot?

    I'd say "shoot me"

    LoL!!!

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  • Brutusmax1mus
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    I guess id drink spell power pots and slot purifying light then.
  • WhiteMage
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    This is probably not worth the effort but...

    I'd follow the advice in this thread to find a way to equip both. Backlash is the greatest skill in this game, but in a vacuum it is up to you to build up its damage. For that, major sorcery is a really big deal, and that little synergy between the buff and backlash contributes a lot. Imo, if you want to play as a killer magplar and are trying to decide between which of the two to take, you're making the wrong choice. It shouldn't be between those two; you're overvaluing another part of your build, and may need to make a tough choice to let it go.

    Also, while I only skimmed the rest of this thread, I think the OP should consider the possibility that the balance of the game really isn't so great as to allow many different "truly viable" options as far as each play style goes. Add this with how balance really hasn't changed much over the recent years, giving long-time, dedicated players the opportunity to examine the possibilities of many different sets and have judged them, with good reason, to be inferior to other options. Now, it has been a few months since I played, but I left the game as a broken mess with regards to balance due to a whole slew of ideological problems and I don't expect it has changed much or been dealt with effectively since.

    Many serious players go through a phase where they try to understand the ins and outs to the game's balance to peer into the combat designer's mind; I know, I did it too. Just be prepared for the possibility that there isn't much there, that there is a best answer, and that the best answer is the old and boring BiS.
    The generally amicable yet sporadically salty magplar that may or may not have 1vXed you in Sotha Sil. Who knows?
  • TheDoomsdayMonster
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    WhiteMage wrote: »
    This is probably not worth the effort but...

    I'd follow the advice in this thread to find a way to equip both. Backlash is the greatest skill in this game, but in a vacuum it is up to you to build up its damage. For that, major sorcery is a really big deal, and that little synergy between the buff and backlash contributes a lot. Imo, if you want to play as a killer magplar and are trying to decide between which of the two to take, you're making the wrong choice. It shouldn't be between those two; you're overvaluing another part of your build, and may need to make a tough choice to let it go.

    Also, while I only skimmed the rest of this thread, I think the OP should consider the possibility that the balance of the game really isn't so great as to allow many different "truly viable" options as far as each play style goes. Add this with how balance really hasn't changed much over the recent years, giving long-time, dedicated players the opportunity to examine the possibilities of many different sets and have judged them, with good reason, to be inferior to other options. Now, it has been a few months since I played, but I left the game as a broken mess with regards to balance due to a whole slew of ideological problems and I don't expect it has changed much or been dealt with effectively since.

    Many serious players go through a phase where they try to understand the ins and outs to the game's balance to peer into the combat designer's mind; I know, I did it too. Just be prepared for the possibility that there isn't much there, that there is a best answer, and that the best answer is the old and boring BiS.

    Excellent post!

    I definitely appreciate the effort you put into it; it's logical, well presented, and I can agree with everything you've said here...well done.

    In addition, you were able to give constructive criticism without being Pompous or by bashing...thanks again. :)


    And you are 100% correct, there are aspects to my build that I should let go of (the stubborn adherence to Vampirism in particular; I know there are more effective abilities, but I like the idea of playing a Vampire a lot)...

    Looking at my DPS loadout, Invigorating Drain makes the most sense to me to drop in favor of Purifying Light...

    Or if I were to replace an ability off of my Healing Bar for it, @Minno idea of dropping Rapid Regen/Mutagen would be most logical...


    Here is the thing though; I have zero desire to have a 'Best in Slot' build; as long as my character is able to perform at a level I'm comfortable with, I'm good...

    That said, I'd like to take my Vampire Lord idea and optimize it for maximum performance...

    As a result, you have me here trying to pick between two abilities that both should be on ones toolbar for maximum performance in general...
    Edited by TheDoomsdayMonster on December 21, 2017 5:28AM
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    First, I don't need to be graded on my post :P. Before long ik I'll regress into a bad-attitude saltiness again anyway. This forum does that to me lol

    Anyway, being a vampire in PvP is not a sin. It has useful tools for a magplar and I never ran without it on mine. Now, oftentimes people come here asking how to become better/viable/whathaveyou with a crappy set, or two, or worse, on. Experienced players tackle this like any problem solver should: they target the biggest source of the problem. In ESO, gear is the biggest part of the battle; your gear decides the fight more than your actions do. Naturally, vet players explicitly ignore what most players ask for help in, like skills or tactics, and first focus on the often horrendous choice of gear. This can cause bad feelings and people start throwing out l33t because the uninitiated thinks the responses are unhelpful or purposefully off-topic (which they are) when the vet player was honestly trying to help the best way they could, which often was beyond the understanding of the helpee. Vet players get tried of being yelled at/unappreciated/whatever, and blah blah blah...

    Point is, the people in this thread are (probably, I only skimmed) trying to help, but are doing a bad job of telling you that you may be asking the wrong question in order to improve. So, that vampire lord set. Bluntly, it's a very crappy set. It offers a sizable damage increase to only two (and a half) skills in the game, skills whose sole purpose is not to damage, by an amount that is similar to that offered by sets that affect more skills, including those (thinking of war maiden here). If the set was actually balanced with respect to other sets, the bonus would be far larger because of how specialized it is. It is objectively a bad set. Switching it for another would offer the one of the biggest performance increases you'll likely be able to see.

    Mind you, there is nothing wrong with building "because you want to" for rp purposes, but with little exception it is the lesser way to play if you are at all concerned with combat efficacy. A name or style on a set offers zero combat bonuses. What's more, no one can help you improve your "rp factor," so it's not worth asking about to combat-minded players. One of the many side effects of play the way you want is the game let's you fail miserably in your gear choices (probably why they introduced a metric to tell players just how bad their sets are). So, while there is no problem with wearing a set for RP purposes, you are effectively amputating your legs in preparation for an NFL game. Just expect that you (or anyone, take heed RPers!) will probably get the same response from vet players as an NFL player when you ask him how to play better after sawing off your legs in front of him. Put your legs back on!

    Oh my, this is getting long... OK, so, if I were in your shoes (but still wearing my socks, if you get me) I would drop invigorating drain because you have toppling for a stun already, but toppling even includes a gap closer. I would also drop/swap out regeneration. In ESO, HoTs aren't really that great (I could talk about that if you'd like, but it dives into a broader view of combat balance), and that skill in particular is lackluster. As a "pro tip," I would suggest having one of your defensive skills on your offensive bar and a less-immediate offensive or buff skill on the defensive bar, so you can react to changing situations more quickly. I could come up with more tips, but I'd need a better/clearer picture of what you're running compiled in a single post on this page lol. I'm lazy.

    I'll mention again, though, to all whom this applies, to recognize when you're the guy who willfully handicapped himself and is asking for advice. You may just be the one eliciting the incredulous look on others' faces, especially if you don't already understand how this game REALLY works--not that you should be blamed for it so long as you have an open mind about it.
    Edited by WhiteMage on December 21, 2017 6:39AM
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  • Izaki
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    I'd say that you need to drop at least one skill on your back bar (the Healing one) in order to fit both Entropy and Purifying Light, since both skills are very important in a Magplar's toolkit. There's bound to be an ability that is less useful that others on your bar and therefore has less priority than these two skills.
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