Do you feel Wardens are over-performing in PvP content?

bubbygink

I would say that Magdens are strong but they're still relatively balanced with the other classes. Stamdens on the other hand are clearly over performing. They simply have too many things going for them. I feel practically invincible on mine with sword and board, 8% damage reduction on top of major resolve/ward from ice fortress, shimmering shield, green lotus, soothing spores, and of course trees. And these are all on top of the typical stam build defenses of vigor, dodgeroll, etc. They also have insane burst because of sub assault and minor berserk. Plus awesome sustain with netch, good passives, and great mobility. Really no drawbacks to the class.

Joy_Division

There was a poll on this same topic not too long ago

Savos_Saren

While I think it's usually the player behind the character- I will say that Stamdens seem to be overperforming at the moment. The combination of Subterannean Assault, Wrecking Blow, Executioner, and Dawnbreaker all within a two second combo is a little too much to handle. Before the nay-sayers argue... here's Kodi on his stamden:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/385249/kodipvp-how-does-he-do-it-just-like-this/p1

Yes, I realize that Kodi is an expert- but the uber combo still remains the same.

cazlonb16_ESO

StamDens have a few too many toys at their disposal. Several of them rely heavily on a good responsiveness by the servers though and many players just don't have that. On a typical day in Cyro I could not possibly use a StamDen to its full effect because of ... not optimal client/server sync and related problems ( "insta death" by snipes and everlasting lockouts by CC when the server classifies your character as CC'd and your client hasn't shown you the appropriate animation and effect yet are some other instances of the same issues ).

So they are slightly overperforming in ideal conditions. Maybe they could be toned down a little, but that shouldn't be a priority. The issue is just too minor, otherwise we'd see many more StamDens ripping things up.

CatchMeTrolling

jaburns wrote: »

While I think it's usually the player behind the character- I will say that Stamdens seem to be overperforming at the moment. The combination of Subterannean Assault, Wrecking Blow, Executioner, and Dawnbreaker all within a two second combo is a little too much to handle. Before the nay-sayers argue... here's Kodi on his stamden:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/385249/kodipvp-how-does-he-do-it-just-like-this/p1

Yes, I realize that Kodi is an expert- but the uber combo still remains the same.

That’s literally one of the easiest combos to avoid and most stam wardens I come across don’t even know what they’re doing. They just run around relying on sub, it’s funny when you realize that’s all they can do as you get into a who’s more mobile contest with them.

Thogard

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

While I think it's usually the player behind the character- I will say that Stamdens seem to be overperforming at the moment. The combination of Subterannean Assault, Wrecking Blow, Executioner, and Dawnbreaker all within a two second combo is a little too much to handle. Before the nay-sayers argue... here's Kodi on his stamden:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/385249/kodipvp-how-does-he-do-it-just-like-this/p1

Yes, I realize that Kodi is an expert- but the uber combo still remains the same.

That’s literally one of the easiest combos to avoid and most stam wardens I come across don’t even know what they’re doing. They just run around relying on sub, it’s funny when you realize that’s all they can do as you get into a who’s more mobile contest with them.

Yeah but we Stam wardens always win that mobility contest because we can easily get away with running forward momentum

Also, I can land shalks every time if I’m at range and time my gap closer well.

ak_pvp

Undodgabird. Quite annoying, needs to be dodgeable and reflectable. (Inb4 makes no sense, logic doesn't apply in this game 99% of the time.)

Sub hits like an ult, but is targeted and wardens signature skill, so not much can be done. Also would *** it up in PvP if its nerfed.

Everything else is Oki doki.

CatchMeTrolling

Thogard wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

While I think it's usually the player behind the character- I will say that Stamdens seem to be overperforming at the moment. The combination of Subterannean Assault, Wrecking Blow, Executioner, and Dawnbreaker all within a two second combo is a little too much to handle. Before the nay-sayers argue... here's Kodi on his stamden:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/385249/kodipvp-how-does-he-do-it-just-like-this/p1

Yes, I realize that Kodi is an expert- but the uber combo still remains the same.

That’s literally one of the easiest combos to avoid and most stam wardens I come across don’t even know what they’re doing. They just run around relying on sub, it’s funny when you realize that’s all they can do as you get into a who’s more mobile contest with them.

Yeah but we Stam wardens always win that mobility contest because we can easily get away with running forward momentum

Also, I can land shalks every time if I’m at range and time my gap closer well.

No maybe against someone without mobility, sure. The combo is pretty predictable.

Thogard

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

While I think it's usually the player behind the character- I will say that Stamdens seem to be overperforming at the moment. The combination of Subterannean Assault, Wrecking Blow, Executioner, and Dawnbreaker all within a two second combo is a little too much to handle. Before the nay-sayers argue... here's Kodi on his stamden:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/385249/kodipvp-how-does-he-do-it-just-like-this/p1

Yes, I realize that Kodi is an expert- but the uber combo still remains the same.

That’s literally one of the easiest combos to avoid and most stam wardens I come across don’t even know what they’re doing. They just run around relying on sub, it’s funny when you realize that’s all they can do as you get into a who’s more mobile contest with them.

Yeah but we Stam wardens always win that mobility contest because we can easily get away with running forward momentum

Also, I can land shalks every time if I’m at range and time my gap closer well.

No maybe against someone without mobility, sure. The combo is pretty predictable.

Predictable is not the same as avoidable. Either they block and take the shalks dmg and snare from stampede, or they dodgeroll and get stunned by the dawnbreaker, then take the shalks but avoid the snare from stampede.

Either way it sucks for them.

Sharee

Speaking from the viewpoint of a DK (both magicka and stamina), wardens do not seem all that special to me (on average, compared to the other classes i am fighting).

SodanTok

Thogard wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

While I think it's usually the player behind the character- I will say that Stamdens seem to be overperforming at the moment. The combination of Subterannean Assault, Wrecking Blow, Executioner, and Dawnbreaker all within a two second combo is a little too much to handle. Before the nay-sayers argue... here's Kodi on his stamden:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/385249/kodipvp-how-does-he-do-it-just-like-this/p1

Yes, I realize that Kodi is an expert- but the uber combo still remains the same.

That’s literally one of the easiest combos to avoid and most stam wardens I come across don’t even know what they’re doing. They just run around relying on sub, it’s funny when you realize that’s all they can do as you get into a who’s more mobile contest with them.

Yeah but we Stam wardens always win that mobility contest because we can easily get away with running forward momentum

Also, I can land shalks every time if I’m at range and time my gap closer well.

No maybe against someone without mobility, sure. The combo is pretty predictable.

Predictable is not the same as avoidable. Either they block and take the shalks dmg and snare from stampede, or they dodgeroll and get stunned by the dawnbreaker, then take the shalks but avoid the snare from stampede.

Either way it sucks for them.

Receiving damage is kinda normal thing in this game.

Maura_Neysa

Sharee wrote: »

Speaking from the viewpoint of a DK (both magicka and stamina), wardens do not seem all that special to me (on average, compared to the other classes i am fighting).

Fits with my experience. DKs, stamina more so, are the strongest against my Warden. They both have the tankiness to stay in the fight. DKs win on the damage output though IMO.
Next would be the good NB that can get that 30k burst off, but if they can't get it in one shot, they don't have the pressure to finish the job like a DK does.

Casul

Wardens (in particular stamina) are not overpowered. I just feel they are good at what they do. Alot of people like to point the finger at them and claim "so much burst, so much sustain, so much mitigation". Well I will give my take on these 3 claims.

1. Damage. I feel like Stamward have few skills in their arsenal, but the ones they do have are strong. But can be easily counter with adaption. Dive can be counter with healing, block, and shields. Sub assault is countered by immobilization effects and shields. And yes I am aware to get a extremely strong shield stack you would be spending upwards of 9k magicka. But that leads into my 3rd point. Lastly the topic of major defile has been brought up. But people still fail to realize that this cost magicka just as much as expansive frost cloak or shimmering. Thus keeping defile up indefinitely is hard via corrupted field. I myself prefer reverberating bash as a both a stun and defile.

2. Sustain. I feel like sustain with warden is overrated. Outside of netch (218 regen), green passive (250 mag or stam), and shimmering (400 cost depending on absorb) there is little that makes a significant difference imo. Most of it comes through natural regen, heavy attacks, and heavy armor constitution, all of which are available to all classes. I also feel like

3. Mitigation. Wardens play alot like magsorcs depending on the target. Typically following a lock down and defend technique that follows into a counter during the cooldown on resources. For ranged magic builds a more offensive approach can be taken with shimmering. But. Shimmering is not the problem, the problem is aggression. The biggest counter to shimmering is reactive play. Shimmering only restores if you attack. So if you wait it out then the cost is much higher, and more difficult for a warden (especially stam) to maintain. During this reactive time good skills would be ground based immobilization effects and CC skills to try and waste stamina from the warden. If you can hold out with shields, healing, etc for a bit then the warden will have no chance of casting shimmering, thus leading to your counter phase. During which any class can use there normal arsenal to take down the warden.

During your attack phase a warden will be much more pressure once out of magicka, this leads to tree spam and heal spam (all of which use up the damage pool from the warden) if you have to do this rotation 2 or 3 times eventually you will succeed.

Lastly, this does not take into account the many different builds. For example my velidreth, innate axion, morag tong setup for burst doesn't need any of the defense stuff. Just CC and burst (but he does have 12k sub assault and 11k dawnbreaker so be careful lol)

Just my 2 cent, and again also just my opinion from my 42~ in game days of experience with stamina warden.

Savos_Saren

BuildMan wrote: »

Wardens (in particular stamina) are not overpowered. I just feel they are good at what they do. Alot of people like to point the finger at them and claim "so much burst, so much sustain, so much mitigation". Well I will give my take on these 3 claims.

1. Damage. I feel like Stamward have few skills in their arsenal, but the ones they do have are strong. But can be easily counter with adaption. Dive can be counter with healing, block, and shields. Sub assault is countered by immobilization effects and shields. And yes I am aware to get a extremely strong shield stack you would be spending upwards of 9k magicka. But that leads into my 3rd point. Lastly the topic of major defile has been brought up. But people still fail to realize that this cost magicka just as much as expansive frost cloak or shimmering. Thus keeping defile up indefinitely is hard via corrupted field. I myself prefer reverberating bash as a both a stun and defile.

2. Sustain. I feel like sustain with warden is overrated. Outside of netch (218 regen), green passive (250 mag or stam), and shimmering (400 cost depending on absorb) there is little that makes a significant difference imo. Most of it comes through natural regen, heavy attacks, and heavy armor constitution, all of which are available to all classes. I also feel like

3. Mitigation. Wardens play alot like magsorcs depending on the target. Typically following a lock down and defend technique that follows into a counter during the cooldown on resources. For ranged magic builds a more offensive approach can be taken with shimmering. But. Shimmering is not the problem, the problem is aggression. The biggest counter to shimmering is reactive play. Shimmering only restores if you attack. So if you wait it out then the cost is much higher, and more difficult for a warden (especially stam) to maintain. During this reactive time good skills would be ground based immobilization effects and CC skills to try and waste stamina from the warden. If you can hold out with shields, healing, etc for a bit then the warden will have no chance of casting shimmering, thus leading to your counter phase. During which any class can use there normal arsenal to take down the warden.

During your attack phase a warden will be much more pressure once out of magicka, this leads to tree spam and heal spam (all of which use up the damage pool from the warden) if you have to do this rotation 2 or 3 times eventually you will succeed.

Lastly, this does not take into account the many different builds. For example my velidreth, innate axion, morag tong setup for burst doesn't need any of the defense stuff. Just CC and burst (but he does have 12k sub assault and 11k dawnbreaker so be careful lol)

Just my 2 cent, and again also just my opinion from my 42~ in game days of experience with stamina warden.

That right there. Warden's Subterranean Assault hits harder than a lot of ultimates. And no one thinks that's OP? Or the fact that they can spam Major Defile? Perhaps I'm just in the minority that happens to be venerable to most of the warden's attacks.

As an mDK- I have low mobility and I'm mostly melee range. As you know- mDKs get a lot of their heals from melee attacks. So, we're just kind of F#%&@ed again a warden that plops Major Defile and pops the Subterranean Assault/Wrecking Blow/Dawnbreaker/Executioner combo. Then again- I question why I keep playing the consistently gimped class in this game. I must be a masochist.

Rohaus

Tired of nerfs to classes. How about instead buffing core mechanics and abilities of the other classes.

Toast_STS

Sub assault is a little too strong. But I think they need to add a cool down on 7th legion then they would be more susceptible to DoT damage. But if they nerf both it would be too much. I am biased though as I'm playing my warden in bone pirate/spriggans.

Shimmering shield looks great but I haven't been running it.

leepalmer95

Stam wardens are just broken, everyone who is decent at pvp knows this.

I've been playing it since i came back after trying a few other classes and everything else just isn't even close too how strong stam warden is. I'm literally only playing stam warden now.

The best burst in the game. Sub assault, basically an aoe dizzying with major fracture that goes through both block and roll. Stupid skill.
Amazing heals. Really strong class heals.
Amazing sustain.
They even have access to a class crit bonus buff that works on both bars. Also looks cool.


Some stupidly OP defensive buffs, shimmering is a stupid broken skill and even the armour buff is just better than other classes, minor protection? Templar needs to stay in its rune to keep the minor protection buff for more than 8s.

They have access to so much buffs, i think they literally have them all at this point. Really Major heroism? That buff is far too strong to be gained so easy.
Toughness? When they ran out of normal buffs to give the class they gave it basically permanent 10% max hp.

I'm dropping dawnbreakers more than i'm using dizzying nowdays.

This game is so P2W now lmao.

CatchMeTrolling

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Stam wardens are just broken, everyone who is decent at pvp knows this.

I've been playing it since i came back after trying a few other classes and everything else just isn't even close too how strong stam warden is. I'm literally only playing stam warden now.

The best burst in the game. Sub assault, basically an aoe dizzying with major fracture that goes through both block and roll. Stupid skill.
Amazing heals. Really strong class heals.
Amazing sustain.
They even have access to a class crit bonus buff that works on both bars. Also looks cool.


Some stupidly OP defensive buffs, shimmering is a stupid broken skill and even the armour buff is just better than other classes, minor protection? Templar needs to stay in its rune to keep the minor protection buff for more than 8s.

They have access to so much buffs, i think they literally have them all at this point. Really Major heroism? That buff is far too strong to be gained so easy.
Toughness? When they ran out of normal buffs to give the class they gave it basically permanent 10% max hp.

I'm dropping dawnbreakers more than i'm using dizzying nowdays.

This game is so P2W now lmao.

To sum this up you basically say this class is broken, list reasons why you feel that way but at the end of the day you only play the class you deem is broken. If you feel so strongly about all that realize you’re also part of the problem, it’s like when people complained about procs but was the same ones using them.

leepalmer95

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Stam wardens are just broken, everyone who is decent at pvp knows this.

I've been playing it since i came back after trying a few other classes and everything else just isn't even close too how strong stam warden is. I'm literally only playing stam warden now.

The best burst in the game. Sub assault, basically an aoe dizzying with major fracture that goes through both block and roll. Stupid skill.
Amazing heals. Really strong class heals.
Amazing sustain.
They even have access to a class crit bonus buff that works on both bars. Also looks cool.


Some stupidly OP defensive buffs, shimmering is a stupid broken skill and even the armour buff is just better than other classes, minor protection? Templar needs to stay in its rune to keep the minor protection buff for more than 8s.

They have access to so much buffs, i think they literally have them all at this point. Really Major heroism? That buff is far too strong to be gained so easy.
Toughness? When they ran out of normal buffs to give the class they gave it basically permanent 10% max hp.

I'm dropping dawnbreakers more than i'm using dizzying nowdays.

This game is so P2W now lmao.

To sum this up you basically say this class is broken, list reasons why you feel that way but at the end of the day you only play the class you deem is broken. If you feel so strongly about all that realize you’re also part of the problem, it’s like when people complained about procs but was the same ones using them.

Of course i do. What will me not playing the strongest class open world do?

What kind of effect will me getting zerged down on a sub par class achieve?

I'm pretty sure me playing the class and freely admitting the class is broken adds more credibility.

At least more than other people rerolling, staying with the class (because its good) and then always defending it when everyone knows its OP.

Waffennacht

leepalmer95 wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Stam wardens are just broken, everyone who is decent at pvp knows this.

I've been playing it since i came back after trying a few other classes and everything else just isn't even close too how strong stam warden is. I'm literally only playing stam warden now.

The best burst in the game. Sub assault, basically an aoe dizzying with major fracture that goes through both block and roll. Stupid skill.
Amazing heals. Really strong class heals.
Amazing sustain.
They even have access to a class crit bonus buff that works on both bars. Also looks cool.


Some stupidly OP defensive buffs, shimmering is a stupid broken skill and even the armour buff is just better than other classes, minor protection? Templar needs to stay in its rune to keep the minor protection buff for more than 8s.

They have access to so much buffs, i think they literally have them all at this point. Really Major heroism? That buff is far too strong to be gained so easy.
Toughness? When they ran out of normal buffs to give the class they gave it basically permanent 10% max hp.

I'm dropping dawnbreakers more than i'm using dizzying nowdays.

This game is so P2W now lmao.

To sum this up you basically say this class is broken, list reasons why you feel that way but at the end of the day you only play the class you deem is broken. If you feel so strongly about all that realize you’re also part of the problem, it’s like when people complained about procs but was the same ones using them.

Of course i do. What will me not playing the strongest class open world do?

What kind of effect will me getting zerged down on a sub par class achieve?

I'm pretty sure me playing the class and freely admitting the class is broken adds more credibility.

At least more than other people rerolling, staying with the class (because its good) and then always defending it when everyone knows its OP.

Lee... You're just not as good as you used to be.

I guarantee you, I'll destroy anyone's Stam warden with my mag sorc or Magden

leepalmer95

Waffennacht wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Stam wardens are just broken, everyone who is decent at pvp knows this.

I've been playing it since i came back after trying a few other classes and everything else just isn't even close too how strong stam warden is. I'm literally only playing stam warden now.

The best burst in the game. Sub assault, basically an aoe dizzying with major fracture that goes through both block and roll. Stupid skill.
Amazing heals. Really strong class heals.
Amazing sustain.
They even have access to a class crit bonus buff that works on both bars. Also looks cool.


Some stupidly OP defensive buffs, shimmering is a stupid broken skill and even the armour buff is just better than other classes, minor protection? Templar needs to stay in its rune to keep the minor protection buff for more than 8s.

They have access to so much buffs, i think they literally have them all at this point. Really Major heroism? That buff is far too strong to be gained so easy.
Toughness? When they ran out of normal buffs to give the class they gave it basically permanent 10% max hp.

I'm dropping dawnbreakers more than i'm using dizzying nowdays.

This game is so P2W now lmao.

To sum this up you basically say this class is broken, list reasons why you feel that way but at the end of the day you only play the class you deem is broken. If you feel so strongly about all that realize you’re also part of the problem, it’s like when people complained about procs but was the same ones using them.

Of course i do. What will me not playing the strongest class open world do?

What kind of effect will me getting zerged down on a sub par class achieve?

I'm pretty sure me playing the class and freely admitting the class is broken adds more credibility.

At least more than other people rerolling, staying with the class (because its good) and then always defending it when everyone knows its OP.

Lee... You're just not as good as you used to be.

I guarantee you, I'll destroy anyone's Stam warden with my mag sorc or Magden

Your saying i got worse?

Pretty sure shimmering shield will just cut down your ranged. Plus the context of these posts aren't 1v1 based.

Because if it was you wouldn't have enough burst to kill a double s&b dueling stamden. There is a reason why they always win dueling tournaments now.

Not really sure how your magden would kill a stamden. Your pigeons would be useless and your crushing shock would as well as shimmering counters them all.

bubbygink

BuildMan wrote: »

Wardens (in particular stamina) are not overpowered...

...Lastly, this does not take into account the many different builds. For example my velidreth, innate axion, morag tong setup for burst doesn't need any of the defense stuff. Just CC and burst (but he does have 12k sub assault and 11k dawnbreaker so be careful lol)

I'm honestly not sure if this is a troll post. How you can say "Stamdens are not overpowered" and then with a straight face follow that up with "my stamden can do an instant 23,000 AOE damage which also CCs." You can't be serious. What other class can even come close to touching that kind of instant burst? And again, we aren't talking single target here, that's AOE burst which also CCs every target and allows for a follow up executioner/steel tornado. Plus it can be fired off frequently due to shimmering shield. And this burst is just icing on the cake to all the great mobility/sustain/survivability the stamden has.

WillhelmBlack

I PvP.

Savos_Saren

What they need to do is take a DK's Leap and give it to the Warden. Call it "Flying Rapture" have it grant Major Heroism and Major Maim.

...you know... like how they gave Fossilize to Sorcs- but made it even better.

leepalmer95

jaburns wrote: »

What they need to do is take a DK's Leap and give it to the Warden. Call it "Flying Rapture" have it grant Major Heroism and Major Maim.

...you know... like how they gave Fossilize to Sorcs- but made it even better.

I do love a good curse/ ice comet/ frag and rune combo and laughing and people literally cannot counter it. They've just got to eat all that damage because the comet/ frag always hit with the new rune.

Waffennacht

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Stam wardens are just broken, everyone who is decent at pvp knows this.

I've been playing it since i came back after trying a few other classes and everything else just isn't even close too how strong stam warden is. I'm literally only playing stam warden now.

The best burst in the game. Sub assault, basically an aoe dizzying with major fracture that goes through both block and roll. Stupid skill.
Amazing heals. Really strong class heals.
Amazing sustain.
They even have access to a class crit bonus buff that works on both bars. Also looks cool.


Some stupidly OP defensive buffs, shimmering is a stupid broken skill and even the armour buff is just better than other classes, minor protection? Templar needs to stay in its rune to keep the minor protection buff for more than 8s.

They have access to so much buffs, i think they literally have them all at this point. Really Major heroism? That buff is far too strong to be gained so easy.
Toughness? When they ran out of normal buffs to give the class they gave it basically permanent 10% max hp.

I'm dropping dawnbreakers more than i'm using dizzying nowdays.

This game is so P2W now lmao.

To sum this up you basically say this class is broken, list reasons why you feel that way but at the end of the day you only play the class you deem is broken. If you feel so strongly about all that realize you’re also part of the problem, it’s like when people complained about procs but was the same ones using them.

Of course i do. What will me not playing the strongest class open world do?

What kind of effect will me getting zerged down on a sub par class achieve?

I'm pretty sure me playing the class and freely admitting the class is broken adds more credibility.

At least more than other people rerolling, staying with the class (because its good) and then always defending it when everyone knows its OP.

Lee... You're just not as good as you used to be.

I guarantee you, I'll destroy anyone's Stam warden with my mag sorc or Magden

Your saying i got worse?

Pretty sure shimmering shield will just cut down your ranged. Plus the context of these posts aren't 1v1 based.

Because if it was you wouldn't have enough burst to kill a double s&b dueling stamden. There is a reason why they always win dueling tournaments now.

Not really sure how your magden would kill a stamden. Your pigeons would be useless and your crushing shock would as well as shimmering counters them all.

Worse? Not the word I would have chosen... Rusty would be my choice (cus I know you're awesome)

Drop the staff! Forget the old burst combo!

It's all about 8.5k birds! Lol.

Shimmering blocks I think 5-6k DMG, so birds still hits decently. The big gun is fissure of course.

Last tournament I know of was mNB vs mWarden with NB winning.

Oh flies is unblockable fyi, have had a 6k tick from a fly.

The mag warden has some mad advantages over Stam.

And I'm bringing my mag sorc outta retirement muhahaha

Akinos

BuildMan wrote: »

Wardens (in particular stamina) are not overpowered. I just feel they are good at what they do.

Good at what they do? They are basically good at everything. And that's the problem.

leepalmer95

Waffennacht wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Stam wardens are just broken, everyone who is decent at pvp knows this.

I've been playing it since i came back after trying a few other classes and everything else just isn't even close too how strong stam warden is. I'm literally only playing stam warden now.

The best burst in the game. Sub assault, basically an aoe dizzying with major fracture that goes through both block and roll. Stupid skill.
Amazing heals. Really strong class heals.
Amazing sustain.
They even have access to a class crit bonus buff that works on both bars. Also looks cool.


Some stupidly OP defensive buffs, shimmering is a stupid broken skill and even the armour buff is just better than other classes, minor protection? Templar needs to stay in its rune to keep the minor protection buff for more than 8s.

They have access to so much buffs, i think they literally have them all at this point. Really Major heroism? That buff is far too strong to be gained so easy.
Toughness? When they ran out of normal buffs to give the class they gave it basically permanent 10% max hp.

I'm dropping dawnbreakers more than i'm using dizzying nowdays.

This game is so P2W now lmao.

To sum this up you basically say this class is broken, list reasons why you feel that way but at the end of the day you only play the class you deem is broken. If you feel so strongly about all that realize you’re also part of the problem, it’s like when people complained about procs but was the same ones using them.

Of course i do. What will me not playing the strongest class open world do?

What kind of effect will me getting zerged down on a sub par class achieve?

I'm pretty sure me playing the class and freely admitting the class is broken adds more credibility.

At least more than other people rerolling, staying with the class (because its good) and then always defending it when everyone knows its OP.

Lee... You're just not as good as you used to be.

I guarantee you, I'll destroy anyone's Stam warden with my mag sorc or Magden

Your saying i got worse?

Pretty sure shimmering shield will just cut down your ranged. Plus the context of these posts aren't 1v1 based.

Because if it was you wouldn't have enough burst to kill a double s&b dueling stamden. There is a reason why they always win dueling tournaments now.

Not really sure how your magden would kill a stamden. Your pigeons would be useless and your crushing shock would as well as shimmering counters them all.

Worse? Not the word I would have chosen... Rusty would be my choice (cus I know you're awesome)

Drop the staff! Forget the old burst combo!

It's all about 8.5k birds! Lol.

Shimmering blocks I think 5-6k DMG, so birds still hits decently. The big gun is fissure of course.

Last tournament I know of was mNB vs mWarden with NB winning.

Oh flies is unblockable fyi, have had a 6k tick from a fly.

The mag warden has some mad advantages over Stam.

And I'm bringing my mag sorc outta retirement muhahaha

I've played a massive pigeon dmg build with dw before it's nice but it's annoying vs other wardens or tanks.

I can't remember the shield tooltip and i'm too lazy to go check but it should cover a bird.

Anyway getting a bit off track here, in open world i'd still say Stam warden > Mag warden

And Warden in general > Everything else.

Lucky28

they have too much undodgeable bs, which negatively effect pvp in general.

jcasini222ub17_ESO

Picture a dk or Templar (stam or mag) performing as well as a stamden in open world PvP and these forums would be in a rage.

But of course stamden success isn't based solely on class skills but the synergy between class, weapon lines, CPs and armor that allows them to be a too good jack of all trades.