LittlePinkDot wrote: »I dont understand how to win in pvp. It seems like im dead within a few seconds and I dont even know why . This is on ps4 Shor, Im level 27. As soon as I get hit with something I just have to cloak and run away. It just seems to make more sense to follow a zerg to get AP than to risk fighting someone and being forced to respwan somewhere far. I just use sneak to get everywhere because its impossible to do anything else.
Publius_Scipio wrote: »Cloak you say? A nightblade.
*slips Gilliam the Rogue‘s business card into Little Pink Dot’s pocket*
Btw, NB is one of the most difficult classes to play in the game. Probably the most difficult and least forgiving. Leave Shor and go to the below level 50 campaign, Kyne I believe it’s called. You can’t just roll into PvP in ESO with the gear you PvE in or just any gear you decide to wear. ESO PvP is very meta driven (heavy armor, troll king monster set, destro staff ultimate, etc).
LittlePinkDot wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Cloak you say? A nightblade.
*slips Gilliam the Rogue‘s business card into Little Pink Dot’s pocket*
Btw, NB is one of the most difficult classes to play in the game. Probably the most difficult and least forgiving. Leave Shor and go to the below level 50 campaign, Kyne I believe it’s called. You can’t just roll into PvP in ESO with the gear you PvE in or just any gear you decide to wear. ESO PvP is very meta driven (heavy armor, troll king monster set, destro staff ultimate, etc).
I actually started with a magsorc. I hated the mechanics. I started a stamblade and It suits me nice. I cant fight, but im very good at escaping, ive eluded playerswith 690 CP, but it seems thats all im good at. And theres nobody in kyne ps4, its empty. Im not an aggressive player, Im passive, I like to see what im getting into first. I usually stay in sneak. I have no problem avoiding and roll dodging, I just dont do enough dps .
Its hard to imagine nightblade being the most difficult when cloak + sneak is the only thing keeping me alive. I am at least 100% sure it was significantly harder to keep my mag sorc alive.
LittlePinkDot wrote: »I actually started with a magsorc. I hated the mechanics. I started a stamblade and It suits me nice. I cant fight, but im very good at escaping, ive eluded playerswith 690 CP, but it seems thats all im good at. And theres nobody in kyne ps4, its empty. Im not an aggressive player, Im passive, I like to see what im getting into first. I usually stay in sneak. I have no problem avoiding and roll dodging, I just dont do enough dps .
Its hard to imagine nightblade being the most difficult when cloak + sneak is the only thing keeping me alive. I am at least 100% sure it was significantly harder to keep my mag sorc alive.
Publius_Scipio wrote: »LittlePinkDot wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »Cloak you say? A nightblade.
*slips Gilliam the Rogue‘s business card into Little Pink Dot’s pocket*
Btw, NB is one of the most difficult classes to play in the game. Probably the most difficult and least forgiving. Leave Shor and go to the below level 50 campaign, Kyne I believe it’s called. You can’t just roll into PvP in ESO with the gear you PvE in or just any gear you decide to wear. ESO PvP is very meta driven (heavy armor, troll king monster set, destro staff ultimate, etc).
I actually started with a magsorc. I hated the mechanics. I started a stamblade and It suits me nice. I cant fight, but im very good at escaping, ive eluded playerswith 690 CP, but it seems thats all im good at. And theres nobody in kyne ps4, its empty. Im not an aggressive player, Im passive, I like to see what im getting into first. I usually stay in sneak. I have no problem avoiding and roll dodging, I just dont do enough dps .
Its hard to imagine nightblade being the most difficult when cloak + sneak is the only thing keeping me alive. I am at least 100% sure it was significantly harder to keep my mag sorc alive.
If you struggled with mag sorc over NB then you definitely did mag sorc wrong imo, regardless of you not liking the mechanics. I told you, seek out the aedra known as Gilliam the Rogue on YouTube and his NB PvP write-up On Deltia’s website. All you seek to know is contained there. And unless you play Kyne you are going against players with CP being used against you. As you said, you’ll be toast and wake up like Casper the Friendly Ghost.
Or message him here on the forums @Gilliamtherogue
Edit: Duel with some friends to learn your rotation, build, and what enemies look to do with their rotation to you. Resist what Izanagi is saying above! Resist his honey sweet whispers in your ear! Do not become a zombie and have your soul belong to dracarys!
LittlePinkDot wrote: »
Ill check out it out.
I was following alcasts bow gank build, but I have to pve to level up so I ended up using alot of skill points for pve skills.
Ive heard you can level up to 50 in pvp, but I dont see how. It seems way slower than questing. And any quests ive found in cyrodiil are always something boring, like go kill a bear... is there any fun way to level up in Imperial city?
LittlePinkDot wrote: »I dont understand how to win in pvp. It seems like im dead within a few seconds and I dont even know why . This is on ps4 Shor, Im level 27. As soon as I get hit with something I just have to cloak and run away. It just seems to make more sense to follow a zerg to get AP than to risk fighting someone and being forced to respwan somewhere far. I just use sneak to get everywhere because its impossible to do anything else.
Honestly, I know how this goes.
I started the game late and was determined to PVP. But obviously my little nooby self was up against experienced players, with good builds who were already skilled at PVP. That alone made it hard.
If you haven't yet learned how to defend/survive, then TTK is VERY short in this game - making it very hard to learn anything in those really short fights. Coupled with the amount of time taken on horseback to get to the next fight - to be dead in a second again... 1 sec of combat every 10 minutes is NOT a good way to learn. It's all about 'fight-time'.. ie your time actually in combat.
So you need to do it differently. One way is to stay in a group, follow them and rely on safety in numbers. If attacked, dodge/cloak (as you already do) till they switch targets - if not attacked, be aggressive. The more on the offence you are, the less on the offence they are. When you die, there should be people around to rezz you (meaning getting into combat more quickly = more chances to learn). You'd also learn the 'flow' of combat here.. ie. when to push, when to retreat, when to run and hide etc..
I'd also suggest going for a tanky setup first. I'm not sure how good stamblades are at this - but you need more time actually in combat to learn - this will give you that. It may not help you win more - but it will give you more 'fight-time' to learn from.
Another way is to try BG's - lots of fights, with smaller downtime. You'll still lose a lot, but you get into the next fight much, much quicker = more fight-time = more learning.
Its a tough and frustrating road - but when you 'get it' - it seems to come suddenly :-)
You will start out with 12 days worth of enlightenment (reduces cost of cp by 4x), so you can get to CP 160 within a couple days just playing normally, or a matter of hours if grinding.LittlePinkDot wrote: »How long should it take to get to cp160 once I get to level 50? I need Morag Tongs stuff but apparently theres no point until cp160.
Drummerx04 wrote: »Honestly, I know how this goes.
I started the game late and was determined to PVP. But obviously my little nooby self was up against experienced players, with good builds who were already skilled at PVP. That alone made it hard.
If you haven't yet learned how to defend/survive, then TTK is VERY short in this game - making it very hard to learn anything in those really short fights. Coupled with the amount of time taken on horseback to get to the next fight - to be dead in a second again... 1 sec of combat every 10 minutes is NOT a good way to learn. It's all about 'fight-time'.. ie your time actually in combat.
So you need to do it differently. One way is to stay in a group, follow them and rely on safety in numbers. If attacked, dodge/cloak (as you already do) till they switch targets - if not attacked, be aggressive. The more on the offence you are, the less on the offence they are. When you die, there should be people around to rezz you (meaning getting into combat more quickly = more chances to learn). You'd also learn the 'flow' of combat here.. ie. when to push, when to retreat, when to run and hide etc..
I'd also suggest going for a tanky setup first. I'm not sure how good stamblades are at this - but you need more time actually in combat to learn - this will give you that. It may not help you win more - but it will give you more 'fight-time' to learn from.
Another way is to try BG's - lots of fights, with smaller downtime. You'll still lose a lot, but you get into the next fight much, much quicker = more fight-time = more learning.
Its a tough and frustrating road - but when you 'get it' - it seems to come suddenly :-)
This is exactly what not to do. Literally this is the current problem in pvp where 70% of the faction runs around in one blob rezzing each other like zombies then light attacking their way to the next keep before getting run over like sheep. You will probably never learn to be self reliant this way.
As you level up, go run Veteran Maelstrom Arena in Wrothgar. No, it isn't PvP, but you will never make it through this content on a stamblade without decently high reflexes, self healing, sustain, and decent damage/burst. This is probably the single best content for generally improving as a self reliant player when starting from nothing, and the best part is that you can do it without dealing with other people.
THe best way to learn is as follows;
Die a lot
Die a lot
Think about why you died
Ask questions about why you died
Ask questions about why other people die
Ask question about how not to die
Try not to die
Find someone good and ask them how to PvP while not dying and skill making other people die
LittlePinkDot wrote: »And what are telvar stones for?
I got a bunch from Imperial city, lots of people on Shor ps4 in imperial city. Im still geared for pve, so I can kill alot of stuff down there and I get these tel var stones.
LittlePinkDot wrote: »I will try BG and maelstrom arena. I know theres people dueling around Vulkel guard, but my god the noise from peoples mics.
Nothing ruins your experience more than some guy blasting the song "what what in the butt" into his mic. Then theres the people that breathe heavy into the mic, chewing food ect. And then every once in awhile theres a dude that sounds like he could be jacking off for all I know.
I know most of you play on PC and not ps4, so you probably dont have this problem.Drummerx04 wrote: »Honestly, I know how this goes.
I started the game late and was determined to PVP. But obviously my little nooby self was up against experienced players, with good builds who were already skilled at PVP. That alone made it hard.
If you haven't yet learned how to defend/survive, then TTK is VERY short in this game - making it very hard to learn anything in those really short fights. Coupled with the amount of time taken on horseback to get to the next fight - to be dead in a second again... 1 sec of combat every 10 minutes is NOT a good way to learn. It's all about 'fight-time'.. ie your time actually in combat.
So you need to do it differently. One way is to stay in a group, follow them and rely on safety in numbers. If attacked, dodge/cloak (as you already do) till they switch targets - if not attacked, be aggressive. The more on the offence you are, the less on the offence they are. When you die, there should be people around to rezz you (meaning getting into combat more quickly = more chances to learn). You'd also learn the 'flow' of combat here.. ie. when to push, when to retreat, when to run and hide etc..
I'd also suggest going for a tanky setup first. I'm not sure how good stamblades are at this - but you need more time actually in combat to learn - this will give you that. It may not help you win more - but it will give you more 'fight-time' to learn from.
Another way is to try BG's - lots of fights, with smaller downtime. You'll still lose a lot, but you get into the next fight much, much quicker = more fight-time = more learning.
Its a tough and frustrating road - but when you 'get it' - it seems to come suddenly :-)
This is exactly what not to do. Literally this is the current problem in pvp where 70% of the faction runs around in one blob rezzing each other like zombies then light attacking their way to the next keep before getting run over like sheep. You will probably never learn to be self reliant this way.
As you level up, go run Veteran Maelstrom Arena in Wrothgar. No, it isn't PvP, but you will never make it through this content on a stamblade without decently high reflexes, self healing, sustain, and decent damage/burst. This is probably the single best content for generally improving as a self reliant player when starting from nothing, and the best part is that you can do it without dealing with other people.
Honestly, I think that at the stage you are, zerging is the only option in cyro.
You can't go alone and 1v1 people and learn from it as a stamblade without vigor, rally and rapids. It just isn't possible.
For starters, its rare you will find a 1v1. If you go alone, they will usually be Xv1.
Secondly, to get away from the zergs means more travelling. You have a slow horse and no rapids yet.
And thirdly, As an inexperienced player with no heals, you will die too quickly to learn anything.
Go with the zergs. But recognise that, as others have said, there is a point where to really learn how to play, you need to leave the zergs and become self-relient.
But first you need the tools and a certain amount of experience.