What is the purpose of a 20 hours CD vs a fixed reset time in the AM?

Raideen

As title states. What is the purpose or intent of a 20 hour CD on mount riding speed, running dungeons etc.

In wow, everything reset at 5:00am 10:00am. So if I ran a dungeon at 2:00 am, I could run it again at roughly 5:15 10:15 am the same morning.

The 20 hour CD offers potential to run something more that 7 times in a week, I understand that although realistically people with set schedules would not be able to take advantage of it.

The idea that you can perform X task after 20 hours makes little sense imo. Its more simple to set a known time when "dailies" reset. This has been a staple of the MMORPG genre for a long time and its simple and it works. The 20 hour CD thing sounds like trying to reinvent the wheel and coming up with a semicircle. It just does not make any sense.

Taleof2Cities

This isn’t WOW ...

If 20 hours is too short then just do it every 24 hours at the time you log in. If it’s too long you have the option of buying mount training books in the Crown Store.

Dapper Dinosaur

I'll take a 20-hour reset over a 24-hour one. This wouldn't be a problem if ZoS had implemented a way to track your task reset timers (aside from riding speed).

paulsimonps

Mounts, daily random rewards as well as Trial weekly coffers should reset daily and weekly. This 20h and 168h BS is just annoying. Make it more convenient for everyone if it was just reset daily with the writs, pledges and leaderboards. Its a PitA trying to keep your coffers straight on all of your toons and for those that do our mounts on a specific time of day to keep it straight, missing it by a few hours can make you miss the next day completely if you want to get back on track. The timers are unnecessary get rid of them.

Raideen

paulsimonps wrote: »

Mounts, daily random rewards as well as Trial weekly coffers should reset daily and weekly. This 20h and 168h BS is just annoying. Make it more convenient for everyone if it was just reset daily with the writs, pledges and leaderboards. Its a PitA trying to keep your coffers straight on all of your toons and for those that do our mounts on a specific time of day to keep it straight, missing it by a few hours can make you miss the next day completely if you want to get back on track. The timers are unnecessary get rid of them.

Thank you, someone gets it.

The problem with the CD being attached to the character and not the day is that you have to reschedule real life events around the character CD, where as you do not have to reschedule real life events around the day cd.

Raideen

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

This isn’t WOW ...

If 20 hours is too short then just do it every 24 hours at the time you log in. If it’s too long you have the option of buying mount training books in the Crown Store.

I don't know why you people get so defensive when wow is brought up. I was not even comparing it to wow, but using wow as an example.

Regardless, the wow model is a smarter design and makes more sense for reasons I should not have to list again.

starkerealm

Raideen wrote: »

In wow, everything reset at 5:00am. So if I ran a dungeon at 2:00 am, I could run it again at roughly 5:15 am the same morning.

In ESO, almost everything resets at 1am Eastern. I have no idea why the random dungeon and trial weekly don't use fixed reset timers, like everything else.

SisterGoat

Because Aussies play on the NA server and resetting in the AM is in the middle of the day for them.

Raideen

SisterGoat wrote: »

Because Aussies play on the NA server and resetting in the AM is in the middle of the day for them.

Then reset usa at 7:00 am, and Australia would be reset at 11:00 pm.

Kel

WoW hasn't had its reset at 5 a.m. in the last two years. Daily resets are now at 10 a.m. central.
But on topic..yeah, I'm not a fan of the 20 hour cooldown. Screwed myself out of a mystery box the first day of event, because it started at 9 a.m. my time, so I thought I'd run a random before event. Nope..wrong move. Had to wait the 20 hour cycle before I got my shot on that character.
A hard time reset would be nice.

Raideen

jabrone77 wrote: »

WoW hasn't had its reset at 5 a.m. in the last two years. Daily resets are now at 10 a.m. central.
But on topic..yeah, I'm not a fan of the 20 hour cooldown. Screwed myself out of a mystery box the first day of event, because it started at 9 a.m.
my time, so I thought I'd run a random before event. Nope..wrong move. Had to wait the 20 hour cycle before I got my shot on that character.
A hard time reset would be nice.

Thanks for the clarification. I only played WoD for a few months, same with legion. I work in the mornings so I don't recall running into a 10:00 am reset vs 5:00 am.

When I grinded high warlord in vanilla the servers (dallas cluster at the time) reset at 5:00 am and it was like that for many years.

But ya, the reason I do not care for the 20 hour personal CD is because of examples like yours. There is too much micromanagement, esp when someone is playing multiple characters. This is another example of ZOS getting it wrong. They make some things overly complex when a simpler idea works better in practice.

T4T2FR34K

Cause it doesn't matter what they do, whoever it effects negatively will have cause to complain...

Raideen

T4T2FR34K wrote: »

Cause it doesn't matter what they do, whoever it effects negatively will have cause to complain...

I don't disagree. My point being that a daily reset timer affects less people negatively. In fact, there is nothing negative about a daily reset timer vs a personal reset timer.

Secondly, my OP was not "complaining" as you incorrectly suggest, it was a question. I would like to understand the benefit of the 20 hour CD so that I may realize and appreciate that benefit, because so far I do not see one.

paulsimonps

T4T2FR34K wrote: »

Cause it doesn't matter what they do, whoever it effects negatively will have cause to complain...

Except a hard reset would hurt literally no one and help A LOT of people.

Linaleah

Raideen wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Mounts, daily random rewards as well as Trial weekly coffers should reset daily and weekly. This 20h and 168h BS is just annoying. Make it more convenient for everyone if it was just reset daily with the writs, pledges and leaderboards. Its a PitA trying to keep your coffers straight on all of your toons and for those that do our mounts on a specific time of day to keep it straight, missing it by a few hours can make you miss the next day completely if you want to get back on track. The timers are unnecessary get rid of them.

Thank you, someone gets it.

The problem with the CD being attached to the character and not the day is that you have to reschedule real life events around the character CD, where as you do not have to reschedule real life events around the day cd.

so. much this. and the thing is. half the cooldowns in this game ARE scheduled around set daily time. pledges. all the other daily quests. and contrary to the false equivalence of 20 hour vs 24 hour, the funny thing about 24 hour is that sometimes it turns into 2 hour. how you ask? becasue it lets me do the dailies around my schedule, rather then schedule my life around dailies, or miss out. meanwhile 20 hours is ALWAYS 20 hours and sometimes its more, because you missed your window and now real life is calling and when you do it later? your whole cooldown is now offset

all the dailies ALL of them - need to be on the same shared schedule. that includes fence reset, that also has a set time, but for some reason that time is several hours before the pledge reset.

Rosveen

Sometimes I play in the evenings, sometimes I play in the mornings. The 20 hour timer makes me miss entire days just because I log in too early. It makes no sense, has no benefits whatsoever and I'd be happy to see it changed.

Raideen

Linaleah wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Mounts, daily random rewards as well as Trial weekly coffers should reset daily and weekly. This 20h and 168h BS is just annoying. Make it more convenient for everyone if it was just reset daily with the writs, pledges and leaderboards. Its a PitA trying to keep your coffers straight on all of your toons and for those that do our mounts on a specific time of day to keep it straight, missing it by a few hours can make you miss the next day completely if you want to get back on track. The timers are unnecessary get rid of them.

Thank you, someone gets it.

The problem with the CD being attached to the character and not the day is that you have to reschedule real life events around the character CD, where as you do not have to reschedule real life events around the day cd.

so. much this. and the thing is. half the cooldowns in this game ARE scheduled around set daily time. pledges. all the other daily quests. and contrary to the false equivalence of 20 hour vs 24 hour, the funny thing about 24 hour is that sometimes it turns into 2 hour. how you ask? becasue it lets me do the dailies around my schedule, rather then schedule my life around dailies, or miss out. meanwhile 20 hours is ALWAYS 20 hours and sometimes its more, because you missed your window and now real life is calling and when you do it later? your whole cooldown is now offset

all the dailies ALL of them - need to be on the same shared schedule. that includes fence reset, that also has a set time, but for some reason that time is several hours before the pledge reset.

Exactly. That is why I was (legitimately) asking in my OP, because the personal CD does not make any sense. Its complex, convoluted and IMO has no logical reason for being this way. That is why I was asking, I am not sure if I am missing something (new player-about 2 months) or if they designed a system that is simply illogical.

paulsimonps

Linaleah wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Mounts, daily random rewards as well as Trial weekly coffers should reset daily and weekly. This 20h and 168h BS is just annoying. Make it more convenient for everyone if it was just reset daily with the writs, pledges and leaderboards. Its a PitA trying to keep your coffers straight on all of your toons and for those that do our mounts on a specific time of day to keep it straight, missing it by a few hours can make you miss the next day completely if you want to get back on track. The timers are unnecessary get rid of them.

Thank you, someone gets it.

The problem with the CD being attached to the character and not the day is that you have to reschedule real life events around the character CD, where as you do not have to reschedule real life events around the day cd.

so. much this. and the thing is. half the cooldowns in this game ARE scheduled around set daily time. pledges. all the other daily quests. and contrary to the false equivalence of 20 hour vs 24 hour, the funny thing about 24 hour is that sometimes it turns into 2 hour. how you ask? becasue it lets me do the dailies around my schedule, rather then schedule my life around dailies, or miss out. meanwhile 20 hours is ALWAYS 20 hours and sometimes its more, because you missed your window and now real life is calling and when you do it later? your whole cooldown is now offset

all the dailies ALL of them - need to be on the same shared schedule. that includes fence reset, that also has a set time, but for some reason that time is several hours before the pledge reset.

Did not know that was how fences works but totally agree that it needs to be incorporated into the daily reset too.

@ZOS_GinaBruno can we please get a comment? I know I have already asked about this before but its something that is pure quality of life that everyone wants.

T4T2FR34K

Raideen wrote: »

T4T2FR34K wrote: »

Cause it doesn't matter what they do, whoever it effects negatively will have cause to complain...

I don't disagree. My point being that a daily reset timer affects less people negatively. In fact, there is nothing negative about a daily reset timer vs a personal reset timer.

Secondly, my OP was not "complaining" as you incorrectly suggest, it was a question. I would like to understand the benefit of the 20 hour CD so that I may realize and appreciate that benefit, because so far I do not see one.

paulsimonps wrote: »

T4T2FR34K wrote: »

Cause it doesn't matter what they do, whoever it effects negatively will have cause to complain...

Except a hard reset would hurt literally no one and help A LOT of people.

Firstly you're preaching to the choir...B, if the shoe fits wear it....in conclusion: read how i say it not just what I say.

code65536

starkerealm wrote: »

Raideen wrote: »

In wow, everything reset at 5:00am. So if I ran a dungeon at 2:00 am, I could run it again at roughly 5:15 am the same morning.

In ESO, almost everything resets at 1am Eastern. I have no idea why the random dungeon and trial weekly don't use fixed reset timers, like everything else.

All daily quests (granted, there are a lot of them, including writs and pledges) reset at 0600 UTC. But literally nothing else follows that schedule.

PlagueSD

paulsimonps wrote: »

Mounts, daily random rewards as well as Trial weekly coffers should reset daily and weekly. This 20h and 168h BS is just annoying. Make it more convenient for everyone if it was just reset daily with the writs, pledges and leaderboards. Its a PitA trying to keep your coffers straight on all of your toons and for those that do our mounts on a specific time of day to keep it straight, missing it by a few hours can make you miss the next day completely if you want to get back on track. The timers are unnecessary get rid of them.

Mount training is part of my daily quest rotation, so timing is not an issue. Having a 20-hour timer allows for "slush" so we don't miss a day due to "time creep". I do everything roughly the same time everyday.

Linaleah

PlagueSD wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Mounts, daily random rewards as well as Trial weekly coffers should reset daily and weekly. This 20h and 168h BS is just annoying. Make it more convenient for everyone if it was just reset daily with the writs, pledges and leaderboards. Its a PitA trying to keep your coffers straight on all of your toons and for those that do our mounts on a specific time of day to keep it straight, missing it by a few hours can make you miss the next day completely if you want to get back on track. The timers are unnecessary get rid of them.

Mount training is part of my daily quest rotation, so timing is not an issue. Having a 20-hour timer allows for "slush" so we don't miss a day due to "time creep". I do everything roughly the same time everyday.

having 24 hour set timer allows for even more slush though. because then sometimes you can do things early, sometimes you can do things later, sometimes you can do things in the morning, sometimes in the evening, and it doesn't mess up your schedule completely, becasue it will all still reset the next day. its just far more logical and far more flexible for more people, becasue with set daily reset? you can still keep doing it your way. but the rest of use ALSO gain ability to do it our way.

paulsimonps wrote: »

Did not know that was how fences works but totally agree that it needs to be incorporated into the daily reset too.

@ZOS_GinaBruno can we please get a comment? I know I have already asked about this before but its something that is pure quality of life that everyone wants.

yeah, i found that out about them the hard way - back when I was working on "steal a million worth of treasures" achievement, where you really want to cap your fence limit or it takes even longer then it already does (I like stealing and that purple dye you get for it - looks gorgeous :P )

Tasear

paulsimonps wrote: »

Mounts, daily random rewards as well as Trial weekly coffers should reset daily and weekly. This 20h and 168h BS is just annoying. Make it more convenient for everyone if it was just reset daily with the writs, pledges and leaderboards. Its a PitA trying to keep your coffers straight on all of your toons and for those that do our mounts on a specific time of day to keep it straight, missing it by a few hours can make you miss the next day completely if you want to get back on track. The timers are unnecessary get rid of them.

Horses fine... but trials... there's just no wait you can keep track if you say... have five healer >.> @ZOS_RichLambert easy quality life improvement.

Beardimus

I genuinely don't have a problem with how it is now, but to be fair, bought the majority of my mount upgrades on sale from the store as my time to play is more precious than a few crowns.

It's interesting when people come to a game they want it to be like all the others. I have the feeling another Auction House thread will appear very soon.......

badmojo

The reason is to make it more fair for everyone.

For example, if the reset was at 1am, the people who regularly play from midnight until 3am would have an advantage over the rest of us who have to sleep. That person could feed their horse and run their daily dungeon at midnight and then again at 1am, then they dont have to login to the game until midnight two days later, when they repeat the process and take another 48hr break, while those who dont have the same schedule have to log in everyday to maintain the same progress.

I used to do this with the crafting writs when my schedule accomidated it.

Bevik

Have to agree here. If things reset at the same time you can plan ahead, you can do last minute dungeons, last minute trials. Can schedule your trials properly. Let's say trials reset on Wednesday, so I can plan when I want to do my trials. And not extending the time if I want to do it on Monday or Tuesday.
There is one thing I can think about these cooldowns that prevent a massive amount of players doing for example trials the same day. Like on the first day of reset and last day before reset.

But still a hard reset would be nice. That goes for horse training also. Massive quality improvement on the long run.

Raideen

Beardimus wrote: »

I genuinely don't have a problem with how it is now, but to be fair, bought the majority of my mount upgrades on sale from the store as my time to play is more precious than a few crowns.

It's interesting when people come to a game they want it to be like all the others. I have the feeling another Auction House thread will appear very soon.......

This has nothing to do with the mount upgrades, those were used as an example.

I never said I wanted this game to be wow, I listed wow as an example when I asked my question.

All that being said. Wow is infinitely more profitable than ZoS, maybe ZoS could learn a thing or two, or three, or four, or five, or six, or seven, or eight, or nine, or ten, or eleven, or twelve, or thirteen, or fourteen, or fifteen or.......from Blizzard and World of Warcraft.

Runefang

I concur. The 20h reset doesn't really bother me but I wish trials reset at a set time. It's painful when you miss a guildie trial run and you have no idea when they'll do it again because everybody is doing it at different times. Make them reset on Wednesday or something. A trial 'lockout' tracker is definitely needed. Or if somebody could make an add-on at least.

The only reason I could think of not have a daily reset is somebody will be able to do back to back dungeon runs, then not play again on that character the next day. It's a slight advantage to those who play around the reset time. Definitely not arguing that its a good enough reason to not have a daily reset time.

Linaleah

badmojo wrote: »

The reason is to make it more fair for everyone.

For example, if the reset was at 1am, the people who regularly play from midnight until 3am would have an advantage over the rest of us who have to sleep. That person could feed their horse and run their daily dungeon at midnight and then again at 1am, then they dont have to login to the game until midnight two days later, when they repeat the process and take another 48hr break, while those who dont have the same schedule have to log in everyday to maintain the same progress.

I used to do this with the crafting writs when my schedule accomidated it.

but its NOT more fair to everyone.

right now you are beholden to this schedule no matter what. no matter what your schedule is. and becasue you are beholden to this schedule, you end up missing days if time doesn't align. with regular reset - someone who might do their dailies in the same time slot? STILL only gets 2 dailies in 48 hours. they just chose to do them back to back, but its NOT some inherent advantage. do NOT underestimate just how valuable ability to spread your dailies across smaller chunks of time, without worrying that you miss your window of opportunity is.

meanwhile right now, you know who has an advantage? people who can shift their schedule at will and get 7 dailies done in a space of 6 days. how is this fair to everyone?

and meanwhile. what you describe above? people are already doing with pledges and world dailies. and the sky is not falling. because there is NO inherent advantage to that other then flexibility for all. unlike 20 hour reset where those with more flexible schedules DO in fact get a very tangible numerical advantage every 6 days

kiLLahweSPe

For Trials there is this little addon:

http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1826-TrialsWeeklyResetTrackerExtended.html

But i agree, set everything to the same time just for the sake of continuity.

SirAndy

Raideen wrote: »

vs a fixed reset time in the AM

Which AM? Yours? ZOSs? The servers? My cousins half-sister in Germany?

Doing a reset every 20 hours after the last time you did a dungeon requires no timezone conversion, it's straight math.

Finding your local timezone requires reading your computers timezone settings (which could be wrong) or Lat/Lng if available (best option) or IP based geo-location (may get you close).

That's a lot of extra overhead just to find your personal AM ...