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Please merge the sub 50(Kyne) and non cp campaigns.
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pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭New* players don’t exist in a growing rate the game is at a mature part of its lifecycle don’t get it twisted.
Your issue is that u highlight two entirely different problems (gear in kyne and small population in kyne and sotha) but you fail to understand the root of those problems and u proposed a "solution" that solves temporarily one at the expense of the other (population at the expense of new players getting murdered in sotha and vivec) which in the longterm wont work because no new players will get into PVP when they get murdered by everyone and so the population will go down again. Your solution makes things 100 times worse because again, you dont understand the root of those problems.Edited by pieratsos on December 5, 2017 1:43AM0 -
pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭KharnTheUndying wrote: »KharnTheUndying wrote: »KharnTheUndying wrote: »If you need proof no real new players are in kyne go search kyne on youtube you gonna find tons of compilation vids with annoying music by so called new players,these guys are max'd cp posting vids of kyne.You gonna find tons of vids and players.
And the solution to that is to feed all the new players to everyone in sotha sil so that they all make videos about abusing those new players?
No one is gonna post vids of them in a vet beating up lower levels and really new players don't exist in kyne if so there are so few compared too vets on low level maxd gear toons in there.
So no new players exist but everyone in kyne is making videos about beating new players. Do you even listen to urself?
There are way more vets in there with cp toons compared to new players who just purchased the game
Merging the campaigns makes things worse. You essentially remove the ability for any new player to get into PVP so ur plan will backfire since the populations will go down which was the thing u were trying to avoid in the first place.0 -
KharnTheUndying✭✭✭KharnTheUndying wrote: »KharnTheUndying wrote: »KharnTheUndying wrote: »If you need proof no real new players are in kyne go search kyne on youtube you gonna find tons of compilation vids with annoying music by so called new players,these guys are max'd cp posting vids of kyne.You gonna find tons of vids and players.
And the solution to that is to feed all the new players to everyone in sotha sil so that they all make videos about abusing those new players?
No one is gonna post vids of them in a vet beating up lower levels and really new players don't exist in kyne if so there are so few compared too vets on low level maxd gear toons in there.
So no new players exist but everyone in kyne is making videos about beating new players. Do you even listen to urself?
There are way more vets in there with cp toons compared to new players who just purchased the game
Merging the campaigns makes things worse. You essentially remove the ability for any new player to get into PVP so ur plan will backfire since the populations will go down which was the thing u were trying to avoid in the first place.
Maybe they should disabled gold gear and all that bs there i don't know but no way it should stay the same,any suggestions?0 -
A_G_G_R_O✭✭✭✭The sad part is the only place I will get to fight most people in Kyne with competitive CP in any form of pvp that isn’t them hiding in newb campaigns is here on the forums.1
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A_G_G_R_O✭✭✭✭Honestly I’d be okay with them saying after you hit x cp or x cumulative accountwide AP gains you are ineligible for Kyne, no excuses.1
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✭✭✭Wish they would scale pvp down to 50 and no cp only time i dont see op unkillabuilds2 -
pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭KharnTheUndying wrote: »KharnTheUndying wrote: »KharnTheUndying wrote: »KharnTheUndying wrote: »If you need proof no real new players are in kyne go search kyne on youtube you gonna find tons of compilation vids with annoying music by so called new players,these guys are max'd cp posting vids of kyne.You gonna find tons of vids and players.
And the solution to that is to feed all the new players to everyone in sotha sil so that they all make videos about abusing those new players?
No one is gonna post vids of them in a vet beating up lower levels and really new players don't exist in kyne if so there are so few compared too vets on low level maxd gear toons in there.
So no new players exist but everyone in kyne is making videos about beating new players. Do you even listen to urself?
There are way more vets in there with cp toons compared to new players who just purchased the game
Merging the campaigns makes things worse. You essentially remove the ability for any new player to get into PVP so ur plan will backfire since the populations will go down which was the thing u were trying to avoid in the first place.
Maybe they should disabled gold gear and all that bs there i don't know but no way it should stay the same,any suggestions?
The gear problem in kyne is completely unrelated with the overall PVP population problem or how many "experienced" players play in kyne. The root of the population problem is the poor state of PVP.
The root of the gear problem is how scaling works and the lack of information on how scaling works, not "experienced players golding their gear" or experienced players playing in kyne. If u get rid of the experienced players and their gold gear that "plague" kyne by just merging the campaigns then the gear problem for those new players remains the exact same and u basically send those new players to fight against players with 100 times more broken builds and ball groups in sotha and vivec that will blow them up to pieces again and again and again and again till they quit and never step foot in cyro again.
Fix how scaling works. You used to be able to just craft lvl 1 gear and just jump into PVP. Bring that back or something that is close to that so it doesnt matter if u PVP for 3 days 3 months or 3 years. Everyone prety much on the same lvl as far as gear is concerned. This is going to make kyne better and more noob friendly which in its turn make kyne more populated, not getting rid of "experienced" players from kyne.
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pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Honestly I’d be okay with them saying after you hit x cp or x cumulative accountwide AP gains you are ineligible for Kyne, no excuses.
New players to PVP has nothing to do with how many CP you have. Someone could be playing the game for 3 years but never done any kind of PVP before. Just look at the AP event. Every PVEer with max cp jumping into PVP to get farmed by every semi decent PVP player. They are still new to PVP and they should be able to learn PVP in the campaign that exists for that purpose. You are just knocking on the wrong doors mate.1 -
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✭Honestly I’d be okay with them saying after you hit x cp or x cumulative accountwide AP gains you are ineligible for Kyne, no excuses.
CP is not a good way to judge anyones ability at PVP, or PVE for that matter. You can grind to max CP with zero knowledge or experience of PVP or PVE other than how to be carried to that level, or how to grind grind dolmens, etc.
As for locking people out after x amount of AP gains. Congrats you've just locked out any players/guilds that like to teach new players about PVP, and decimated the population of Kyne. Making PVP far less attractive to new players trying it for the first time, and therefor less likely that they will continue with it.
I get what you are trying to do, but I think ZOS need to incentivise players to play in the other servers rather than put un arbitrary barriers for those with, for want of a better word, honourable reasons for wanting to play in Kyne.Edited by esotoon on December 5, 2017 2:51AM0 -
A_G_G_R_O✭✭✭✭Honestly I’d be okay with them saying after you hit x cp or x cumulative accountwide AP gains you are ineligible for Kyne, no excuses.
CP is not a good way to judge anyones ability at PVP, or PVE for that matter. You can grind to max CP with zero knowledge or experience of PVP or PVE other than how to be carried to that level, or how to grind grind dolmens, etc.
As for locking people out after x amount of AP gains. Congrats you've just locked out any players/guilds that like to teach new players about PVP, and decimated the population of Kyne. Making PVP far less attractive to new players trying it for the first time, and therefor less likely that they will continue with it.
I get what you are trying to do, but I think ZOS need to incentivise players to play in the other servers rather than put un arbitrary barriers for those with, for want of a better word, honourable reasons for wanting to play in Kyne.
True pvp learning happens in the true pvp campaigns, Kyne is just stunting the growth of futures pvpers. What do they do when they hit 50 at cp 10? They going into Sotha Sil now as unprepared as they were at 30, and will get stomped as hard as they would have otherwise, so let’s bring em up to speed and remove the safe space. Since they nerfed proc sets imo there isn’t any actual broken pvp builds I’ve seen on Sotha Sil NA PC. Go ahead and tell me one, and who runs it, because there isn’t that much talent on sotha and I can actually verify that. Also these new found lvl 50’s at cp 10 now are in an unfamiliar campaign with no guild work and no idea of the entire new game of pain they are about to be curbstomped into when they get a taste of the first cleanly performed dizzy swing-heavy attack- dawnbreaker blockbash into executioner. Poof dust. Uninstalled.Edited by A_G_G_R_O on December 5, 2017 3:01AM0 -
pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Honestly I’d be okay with them saying after you hit x cp or x cumulative accountwide AP gains you are ineligible for Kyne, no excuses.
CP is not a good way to judge anyones ability at PVP, or PVE for that matter. You can grind to max CP with zero knowledge or experience of PVP or PVE other than how to be carried to that level, or how to grind grind dolmens, etc.
As for locking people out after x amount of AP gains. Congrats you've just locked out any players/guilds that like to teach new players about PVP, and decimated the population of Kyne. Making PVP far less attractive to new players trying it for the first time, and therefor less likely that they will continue with it.
I get what you are trying to do, but I think ZOS need to incentivise players to play in the other servers rather than put un arbitrary barriers for those with, for want of a better word, honourable reasons for wanting to play in Kyne.
True pvp learning happens in the true pvp campaigns, Kyne is just stunting the growth of futures pvpers. What do they do when they hit 50 at cp 10? They going into shor now as unprepared as they were at 30, and will get stomped as hard as they would have otherwise, so let’s bring em up to speed and remove the safe space. Since they nerfed proc sets imo there isn’t any actual broken pvp builds I’ve seen on Sotha Sil NA PC. Go ahead and tell me one, and who runs it, because there isn’t that much talent on sotha and I can actually verify that.
They are called ball groups and they are a million times worse than any actual broken or balanced build. You are saying kyne is just stunting the growth of future pvpers because of some experienced players that one shot people with their gold crafted gear but u want to send those new players with the exact same gear problem to fight against ball groups and every other stupid thing to get their butts kicked over and over again till they quit.
You do realise that people need to be educated before getting a job right? You dont just send a 10 year old to build a house because thats how you remove the safe space and bring him up to speed.1 -
A_G_G_R_O✭✭✭✭If we were training astronauts sure. But you don’t need training to educate people to stack on crown.Edited by A_G_G_R_O on December 5, 2017 3:11AM0
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pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If we were training astronauts sure. But you don’t need training to educate people to stack on crown.
Great, so lets promote the stack on crown mentality. Everyone play in ball groups who have no clue about what they are doing and just crutching on every stupid mechanic. "Because thats the real PVP".
Its not like this is the reason why PVP is so *** both in gameplay and performance.1 -
esotoon✭✭✭✭✭
✭True pvp learning happens in the true pvp campaigns, Kyne is just stunting the growth of futures pvpers. What do they do when they hit 50 at cp 10? They going into Sotha Sil now as unprepared as they were at 30, and will get stomped as hard as they would have otherwise, so let’s bring em up to speed and remove the safe space.
So you say that it is bad that new players go on Kyne and get attacked by golded out griefers.
Griefers who arent as good as 'real' PVPers, and that's why they have to hide out on Kyne.
And that this turns new players off PVP.
But the solution to this is to have them go straight to Sotha, where they will be met by the 'real' PVPers, who are far better than the Kyne griefers, and who are all in golded out CP160 gear?
And that is supposed to give them a better experience that will make them want to carry on PVPing, how exactly?
And yes, a lot of the high level small groups have currently left Sotha but there's nothing to stop them coming back. And as we saw with the PVP event in the summer - many of those players see new players as nothing more than free AP. At least with new players in Kyne, those same experienced players have to make some effort to go there to farm them. Have them in Sotha, and those players don't even need to start a new character to do it.Edited by esotoon on December 5, 2017 3:21AM1 -
A_G_G_R_O✭✭✭✭Actually there is something preventing small scalers from coming back, there is no population in the campaign.Edited by A_G_G_R_O on December 5, 2017 3:24AM0
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A_G_G_R_O✭✭✭✭The simple truth is if Kyne is preparing people for pvp is either
A. Not preparing new players at all properly and the fresh blood in the real campaigns get disheartened and turned out because they haven’t learned to truly small scale or solo pvp and get farmed. Farmed. Farmed.
Farmed.
That or they join the ball zerg.
B. They don’t leave Kyne realize they don’t want to and spend their pvp career re rolling toons.
C. In both situations the exodus of Kyne to cp or non cp lvl 50 campaigns is lower than the exodus of pvpers from the game. Many of whom leave because you have one campaign to fight on because every other one is dead. The Kyne experiment does not work.
Now if they merged with sotha I would legit take the time to train up and raise these young spuds And take them from potatoe to broccoli. The lvl 50 campaigns are hurting for an infusion of population and the people hiding in Kyne from the fighting and perpetuating the cycle is terrible for the over all pvp scene.0 -
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✭So again the solution is to throw noob players into the fray with even more powerful builds/gear and let them learn how true pvp is played? Are you even paying attention to what you are saying?
Lets just drop the act that this is about protecting noob players and really only about having more inexperienced players to farm. Max CP, hell even the tiniest amount of CP tells you absolutely nothing about another's ability to understand how pvp differs from pve.
It's insulting that the lot of you think most can't see this request for what it is. You successfully got all the other campaigns shut down and it's still barebones where you play? Should tell you something...There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man, true nobility is being superior to your former self
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A_G_G_R_O✭✭✭✭Don’t show me a dog and call it a cat. We all know there is a vast community of vet players hiding in Kyne because they do not want to L2P.0
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A_G_G_R_O✭✭✭✭So again the solution is to throw noob players into the fray with even more powerful builds/gear and let them learn how true pvp is played? Are you even paying attention to what you are saying?
Lets just drop the act that this is about protecting noob players and really only about having more inexperienced players to farm. Max CP, hell even the tiniest amount of CP tells you absolutely nothing about another's ability to understand how pvp differs from pve.
It's insulting that the lot of you think most can't see this request for what it is. You successfully got all the other campaigns shut down and it's still barebones where you play? Should tell you something...
I am the GM of campaign killers, what I cant help I’m true to my mission statement and convictions of my guilds ultimate purpose.
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pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So again the solution is to throw noob players into the fray with even more powerful builds/gear and let them learn how true pvp is played? Are you even paying attention to what you are saying?
Lets just drop the act that this is about protecting noob players and really only about having more inexperienced players to farm. Max CP, hell even the tiniest amount of CP tells you absolutely nothing about another's ability to understand how pvp differs from pve.
It's insulting that the lot of you think most can't see this request for what it is. You successfully got all the other campaigns shut down and it's still barebones where you play? Should tell you something...
I am the GM of campaign killers, what I cant help I’m true to my mission statement and convictions of my guilds ultimate purpose.
And thats why no one should ever listen to you about anything that involves balancing campaigns.
On a serious note tho. When bwb was highly populated, the vet campaigns were highly populated as well. Now that kyne's population is going down the vet campaign populations are also going down. That should tell enough about how stupid ur idea is and how its going to backfire and blow up back in ur face.3 -
A_G_G_R_O✭✭✭✭If 90% of people in Kyne quit but 10% moves to shor sotha or vivec, it would be a win in my book.0
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✭✭✭✭✭While I don't think merging the population from Kyne into Sotha is the answer to help new players in PvP ... I do appreciate @A_G_G_R_O bringing up this topic to discuss.
Maybe you have a hybrid metric of total AP accumulated BY CLASS for admission into Kyne. That way, players learning a new class on a new character can still play.
My worst experience with a veteran PvP whale in Kyne wasn't even in Cyrodiil. Said player was asking for tiered gear (every 5 levels) in Stormhaven zone chat ... to accommodate additional tenure in Kyne on character re-rolls.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭As someone who leveled and deleted 6 or 7 characters in Kyne before moving on to Vivec, merging the campaigns would be an awful idea. Kyne allows inexperienced players a chance to actually learn how to fight and play classes. I didn't delete and level mutliple characters becuase I wanted to dominate new players. I did it because I wanted to learn how to pvp without needing to invest time and effort getting the gear to compete in the normal campaigns. Kyne at least puts everyone on a somewhat equal footing. And provides a chance to have actual fights that don't rely on gear sets or cp for survival and damage.4 -
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The great thing about percentages is to me if there is people in Kyne there’s 100% of those people not currently in sotha
genius. Pops going down cause pvp is dying in general so merge all those servers and watch it burn
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✭✭✭Strange... what happened to all the PvP players claiming they were the majority group in ESO and how everything needed to revolve around PvP? Seems perhaps reality is starting to set in and that PvP in ESO is actually a minority group, hence the reason they receive very little in regards to content. Although, what still sucks is how the devs continue to insist on 'balancing' aka 'wrecking' PvE in order to appease the minority PvP players.
Even though ZOS stated several times that they will not separate PvE from PvP, I still keep hoping that they will. Wrecking the majority of players gameplay to appease a minority group is NOT the way to keep players happy and the majority game population healthy.
PvP is the end game for most MMOs, whether you like it or not. You may plow through trials for days because you know the mechanics, but you can’t do that vs players. PvP is a constantly changing gameplay where you’re actually fighting people instead of NPCs. There’s no “dungeon/trial mechanics” involved. The same people you’re fighting today may get better tomorrow, or worse. The only reason ZOS cater to PvE-ers is because they can’t milk a lot of money from PvP.Edited by StaticWave on December 5, 2017 2:06PMPlatform:
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✭✭✭✭✭All this crap about gold gear, at below 50 levels it really isn't that much of an advantage.
Not to mention even a low level new player can have gold gear made for him if he farms the gold or has friends.
What does set some of the players apart that like to stay in Kyne because it is a fun PvP experience is that they have been playing longer and know the ropes.3 -
Sevn✭✭✭✭✭
✭StaticWave wrote: »Strange... what happened to all the PvP players claiming they were the majority group in ESO and how everything needed to revolve around PvP? Seems perhaps reality is starting to set in and that PvP in ESO is actually a minority group, hence the reason they receive very little in regards to content. Although, what still sucks is how the devs continue to insist on 'balancing' aka 'wrecking' PvE in order to appease the minority PvP players.
Even though ZOS stated several times that they will not separate PvE from PvP, I still keep hoping that they will. Wrecking the majority of players gameplay to appease a minority group is NOT the way to keep players happy and the majority game population healthy.
PvP is the end game for most MMOs, whether you like it or not. You may plow through trials for days because you know the mechanics, but you can’t do that vs players. PvP is a constantly changing gameplay where you’re actually fighting people instead of NPCs. There’s no “dungeon/trial mechanics” involved. The same people you’re fighting today may get better tomorrow, or worse. The only reason ZOS cater to PvE-ers is because they can’t milk a lot of money from PvP.
Whether you like it or not, PvP ISN'T endgame for most in THIS mmo, ESO. As much as I enjoy pvping, the need or the desire to better another human ISN'T what motivates the VAST majority of ESO's fanbase nor do the majority consider it endgame. Numbers don't lie. As a BUSINESS, Zos is going to cater to the majority. If pvper's were the majority they would get catered to and Zos would find a way to milk them, let's not pretend otherwise.There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man, true nobility is being superior to your former self
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pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
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The great thing about percentages is to me if there is people in Kyne there’s 100% of those people not currently in sotha genius. Pops going down cause pvp is dying in general so merge all those servers and watch it burn
There is no great thing about percentages or numbers to you cause its clear that u have no clue what they mean and how to use them.
And when u bring those few people left in kyne to sotha/vivec, they will get murdered over and over again till they quit and ur population will go down again. Only this time, u wont even have kyne for new players. You just need common sense to realise how stupid ur idea is but im not surprised that you dont get it. Common sense doesnt seem to be common for you.
And one of the main reasons why pvp is dying in general is because of people like you with the dumb mentality of stack to crown. Go back to ur blob group. You are not needed here.
You started this thread to "protect" the newbs from the griefers that abuse them in kyne but right now you just sound like one of those griefers that want to abuse new players. Keep ur ideas for urself. Its clear that u have no clue about what u are talking about.Edited by pieratsos on December 5, 2017 4:21PM2