Ok.. CWC two world bosses.. what the?

GreenhaloX

Ok, good Zen/ZOS/Bethesda, you all need to tone down those two world bosses in CWC. Both the Imperfect and Crow bosses, I have yet to go through a fight with my maxed out stam toons without wiping. Any given fight, even though, there are like 8 to 10 or more in there, toons including my stam toons, are wiping all around the two bosses. What the hell?! Ha ha. I'm getting damages from 14-18k per shot, along with multiple other 6-8k damages. All my stam toons, with 20-22k hp are getting knocked out with one or two shots, even with shield up, and I'm weaving around trying to avoid the stupid reds. Other toons/players are also being simultaneously wiped out; bunch of white ghosts/souls rezzing. Only times I haven't wiped yet are with my MagSorcs and tanks. Well, I did wiped once with my tank in one of the Crow bosses fight. I got hit with a 41k cap damage, along with the other hits and damages. That tank is 40k hp, but, damn.. you can't survive a hit that thrashes you with 41k damage. What's up, here?!

ak_pvp

A L2P issue.

These are group bosses made to be hard, but can be soloed. Isn't non trial PvE content easy enough?

Sharee

If you got hit by 41K damage in one hit, more likely than not you did not follow the mechanics of the fight. ZOS does not generally make mobs hit that hard with the intention of players actually taking the damage. It's more like a "you did something wrong" sign.

Apherius

World boss

Nothing more to say here , move along.

Edit : You said that on a thread:

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Currently, I'm fine[/b], good-to-go and happy with my toons' performance with the likes of Ravaging, Spriggans, Julianos, Sword Singers, Destruction Mastery, etc.., and I still solo those world boss pits, DLC or not, dungeons or whatnot on my own or with any peeps./quote]

So i assume it's ironic.

ValkynSketha

They are world bosses, they meant to be killed by multiples, if you complain about simple thing like this, i wonder what will you do if you played wow, where there is invasion bosses that requires a raid of 20 players and more to kill them.

MaleAmazon

OP is not complaining about soloing them, hes complaining about oneshots.

Cant comment more than that, I havent played vs them.

GreenhaloX

Apherius wrote: »

World boss

Nothing more to say here , move along.

Edit : You said that on a thread:

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Currently, I'm fine[/b], good-to-go and happy with my toons' performance with the likes of Ravaging, Spriggans, Julianos, Sword Singers, Destruction Mastery, etc.., and I still solo those world boss pits, DLC or not, dungeons or whatnot on my own or with any peeps. I would definitely hit vMA again if it is dropping good 5-pieces set, other than just a standalone Maelstrom weapon. Well, perhaps, if somehow the Maelstrom weapons become part of a 3 or 5-pieces set. That would be something, though, and I would be willing to believe that will get more peeps into vMA. I sure would again..

So i assume it's ironic.

Separate topic and separate issue. Maelstrom weapons isn't going to block, deflect or mitigate a 14k damage hit from a world boss.

ValkynSketha wrote: »

They are world bosses, they meant to be killed by multiples, if you complain about simple thing like this, i wonder what will you do if you played wow, where there is invasion bosses that requires a raid of 20 players and more to kill them.

Well, I can't speak for WoW, as I don't play that. However, for ESO, you don't necessary need 10 or 20 people to take out a world boss.

Anyways.. other than these CWC ones, I have soloed plenty of other world bosses, even the Wrothgar, Hew's Bane and the Morrowind ones; except for Wuyuvus where you need a second player to interrupt. I haven't figured out these CWC ones yet. Seems these newer CWC world bosses are a bit rougher, as far as incoming damages, than other previous world bosses. Like I said, I'm not the only one wiping. There are a lot of other players wiping all around and almost simultaneously to the point.

Mettaricana

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Ok, good Zen/ZOS/Bethesda, you all need to tone down those two world bosses in CWC. Both the Imperfect and Crow bosses, I have yet to go through a fight with my maxed out stam toons without wiping. Any given fight, even though, there are like 8 to 10 or more in there, toons including my stam toons, are wiping all around the two bosses. What the hell?! Ha ha. I'm getting damages from 14-18k per shot, along with multiple other 6-8k damages. All my stam toons, with 20-22k hp are getting knocked out with one or two shots, even with shield up, and I'm weaving around trying to avoid the stupid reds. Other toons/players are also being simultaneously wiped out; bunch of white ghosts/souls rezzing. Only times I haven't wiped yet are with my MagSorcs and tanks. Well, I did wiped once with my tank in one of the Crow bosses fight. I got hit with a 41k cap damage, along with the other hits and damages. That tank is 40k hp, but, damn.. you can't survive a hit that thrashes you with 41k damage. What's up, here?!

Soloed the crows on my stam sorc 2 manned the robot you do remember they are made for groups

Elsonso

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Anyways.. other than these CWC ones, I have soloed plenty of other world bosses, even the Wrothgar, Hew's Bane and the Morrowind ones; except for Wuyuvus where you need a second player to interrupt. I haven't figured out these CWC ones yet. Seems these newer CWC world bosses are a bit rougher, as far as incoming damages, than other previous world bosses. Like I said, I'm not the only one wiping. There are a lot of other players wiping all around and almost simultaneously to the point.

I see the problem here. World bosses should be deadly, and they are too easy. Except for the ones in CWC. The fix, as I see it, is to make the other world bosses harder.

maniac4maniac

You can solo all world bosses in the game. Checked. Use roll dodges, blocks, HPS pots (for like 3 WB from all in Tamriel).

Greifenherz

Been farming both for motifs since CWC launch, died maybe once or twice to them in total. Basic 'don't stand in the red' strategy applies, in the Imperfect's case it's 'don't stand in front of it'.

GreenhaloX

Mettaricana wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Ok, good Zen/ZOS/Bethesda, you all need to tone down those two world bosses in CWC. Both the Imperfect and Crow bosses, I have yet to go through a fight with my maxed out stam toons without wiping. Any given fight, even though, there are like 8 to 10 or more in there, toons including my stam toons, are wiping all around the two bosses. What the hell?! Ha ha. I'm getting damages from 14-18k per shot, along with multiple other 6-8k damages. All my stam toons, with 20-22k hp are getting knocked out with one or two shots, even with shield up, and I'm weaving around trying to avoid the stupid reds. Other toons/players are also being simultaneously wiped out; bunch of white ghosts/souls rezzing. Only times I haven't wiped yet are with my MagSorcs and tanks. Well, I did wiped once with my tank in one of the Crow bosses fight. I got hit with a 41k cap damage, along with the other hits and damages. That tank is 40k hp, but, damn.. you can't survive a hit that thrashes you with 41k damage. What's up, here?!

Soloed the crows on my stam sorc 2 manned the robot you do remember they are made for groups

Impressive.. would definitely like to see a clip or feed of a stam toon (particularly stam toons with poor post-Morrowind damage shield) doing such/soloing with these CWC bosses.

Greifenherz wrote: »

Been farming both for motifs since CWC launch, died maybe once or twice to them in total. Basic 'don't stand in the red' strategy applies, in the Imperfect's case it's 'don't stand in front of it'.

Yes.. typically always no standing in or near red or stupid; however, these reds from these bosses just seem to drop right top of you. You roll out of a red only to roll into another red, or put up block and still get knocked out by the exploding fabricants things with the Imperfect boss or when one of the crow boss dives down right at you, then suspends you and drains the hell out of your hp. Can't seem to wriggle free or interrupt; you're already dead. That was how my tank got knocked out with the 41k, plus the other 6-8 damage hits and whatnots.

Good to know that some folks, who are much better than I, have figured it out with these bosses. Seems I and many others have lots of learning still to do or have to put in more playtime with CWC.

Slick_007

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Like I said, I'm not the only one wiping. There are a lot of other players wiping all around and almost simultaneously to the point.

unless you all die its not a wipe. its just a death. and yes, world bosses make a habit from killing players.

GreenhaloX

Slick_007 wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Like I said, I'm not the only one wiping. There are a lot of other players wiping all around and almost simultaneously to the point.

unless you all die its not a wipe. its just a death. and yes, world bosses make a habit from killing players.

Yes, indeed; however, not as much as these two boss pits. Kind of rougher when you have 5 to 6 or so toons/players "dying", practically at the same time when you have 10 or more fighting the boss(s) together. This has been consistently occurring with every fights I have been in with these two boss pits. Lots of peeps/toons dying (wiping to me is the same as dying, btw.. whatever, it doesn't really matter.) With other zones' world bosses, you won't see that many in numbers dying at the same time or within a single fight.

I'm just saying.. the good dev team have upped the game quite a bit with these two world boss pits, compared to other zones' world bosses. Are the other world boss pits in the other zones, thus far, aren't as hard as these two CWC's world boss pits. To me.. yes, the others are not as rough. When you are able to solo the other ones quite comfortably with whatever tactics or tricks up your sleeves (i.e. rolling, blocking, juicing, whatever; same crap you're using for any endgame or group contents) or able to just double team the more difficult DLC's one (pre-CWC); yet, in a group of 10 or more fighting a CWC world boss, and you have 5 or more dying (or wiping), there is something really messed up with these CWC ones. Ha ha

MythicEmperor

They both seem to go down quickly and easily with 5-7 players, but then again it depends on individual skill and the skill of those around you. Perhaps I got lucky every time.

TequilaFire

Completed with 4 to 5 randoms on my CP690 stamblade and also on lvl 30 stam warden and was surprised to get through both of the world bosses without dying on the first attempt. I did have to hit vigor a few times though.

runagate

I think the issue is the other players there. I've gotten one-shotted about half the time I've fought these wb and I've been trying to catch what the mechanism is.... I suspect it's overlapping auto-targeted telegraphs. Things that seem to just blossom underneath you and follow you, but the problem seems to be when another player decides to add theirs to yours.

I am unsure still, though. An awful lot going on with all the other people there doing dailies and all I can say for sure is my dying seems to correlate to more people being there. Not that I'm especially trying not to die, since it's just a daily.

But I have taken those crow demon things with 2 other random players without one-shot auto-deaths seemingly out of nowhere.

MaleAmazon

You roll out of a red only to roll into another red

If you havent done it already, put roll dodge on a hotkey. I have it on shift and it makes rolldodging easier, especially if you need to change direction in the middle of a roll.

Ch4mpTW

If you think that works boss is difficult, try solo’ing the Golden Saint world boss in Stonefalls. By far the hardest world boss I’ve fought to date.

itehache

You are not supposed to fight them alone. Sure, some people can, which is awesome, but you're not supposed to. There is always people around anyways, even at weird times (I live in NA zone and play in EU, I have never failed to find random players waiting for the bosses to spawn at any given time).

raj72616a

i am one of the ppl who wipe. but that's because we dont bother to learn / follow the mechanics coz there are always enough ppl to finish them.

ppl still die in folly and kvatch arena too.

Bbsample197

i just found out that theres a mechanic called dodging the red circle... i know right?!

starkerealm

I've only seen one CWC wipe, and I've only ever just run in there, waited for the boss to spawn, then jumped into the fray.

GreenhaloX

Well, I got an evening at home tonight, so, I decided to test these CWC bosses some more.

First - took my 21k hp StamDK in the Crow pit. About 8 other peeps there. I didn't die or wipe. Hardened Armor, Spiked Bone Shield and Vigor saved my ass a few times. However 3 others wiped. Then, went into the Imperfect boss pits. About a dozen peeps there. I wiped here. Actually, about 8 of us wiped. Ok, main damage first time was 14.7k something blast.

Second time - took my 19k hp Stamsorc into the Crow pit. Again about 8-10 peeps. I didn't die here either, but 3-4 others did. Then, went to the Imperfect boss. Had 6 total here, with one being a tank. I actually died twice here. Heck, the first time, all 6 of us did, including the tank. 4 of us were 500 CP and higher and the other 2 were in the 100 and 200 ranges. My main damage was 14.6k something, if I can recall. It was a 14.6k headbutt. Wtf?! Ha ha. The other death caps were a 8k something, a couple 6.5ks and a 4.5k something blast. The second time I died (in this same Imperfect boss fight, the main death cap for me was an 18k something Kinectic Blast. 4 of us died this second time; the tank fortunately held this time, and we were able to finish the fight after the 4 of us respawned.

Third time - took my 19k hp Magsorc into both pits. As always, did not die or wipe at all with my Magsorc. Some others in the pit did die as usual.

Fourth time - took my 50k hp DK tank into both pits. Like the Magsorc, did not die, and no one else in the Crow boss pit die either. Just a few in the Imperfect pit died. Well, it was much easier here because I was tanking and kept all the bosses at bay close to me and limiting any attacks on the others.

So.. these CWC bosses are just dealing out more damages, in general. Most folks in the pits are practically maxed CP, like me, or 400 and 500 CP and higher, with the others being of lower levels. It doesn't matter what title, weapon or build you're sporting. If you don't time it right to get away quick and timely, you're toasted; damn.. like 6 to 8 of us were knocked out at the same time. it's rougher for stam toons, with our limited shields and lesser resistance factors. You can block, roll out of red all you want, but it just uses up your stam pool; because not only you're evading and blocking, you're also dpsing with your stam resources.

runagate wrote: »

I think the issue is the other players there. I've gotten one-shotted about half the time I've fought these wb and I've been trying to catch what the mechanism is.... I suspect it's overlapping auto-targeted telegraphs. Things that seem to just blossom underneath you and follow you, but the problem seems to be when another player decides to add theirs to yours.

I am unsure still, though. An awful lot going on with all the other people there doing dailies and all I can say for sure is my dying seems to correlate to more people being there. Not that I'm especially trying not to die, since it's just a daily.

But I have taken those crow demon things with 2 other random players without one-shot auto-deaths seemingly out of nowhere.

You know.. you may be on to something here. I have tanked the Imperfect boss and completed it without dying, and during a run or two, I only had a couple peeps in there with me. Of course, they were dying, but I kept alive and they kept on going into the fight after they respawned. With the few or smaller numbers of peeps in there, you can actually see the boss mechanics, and the reds are not being dropped or popping up as much as when you have many other toons there. There are also lesser of the fabricant beasties with a couple of us in there. Heck, yeah, every time there are loads of peeps in there, it just seem the reds are dropping and popping up everywhere. Same with the fabricant beasties; there were more that spawned with more toons in the pit. Also, yes, the blast that knocked all 6 of us out the first time in the Imperfect boss was so big, and it appeared to overlap, as you had mentioned. It seemed none of us has enough time to react that time.

Ok.. for all you other self-proclaimed super duper gods of ESO who are boasting these boss pits are still easy and L2P thing, stop what you are smoking, because there is no way you can claim such if you're sober. Ha ha

Cage_Lizardman

I've more or less soloed both on my stamplar. You need to stay moving all the time to stay out of red, and stay away from the imperfect's adds. They're relatively nasty world bosses, but far from impossible.

Izaki

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Mettaricana wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Ok, good Zen/ZOS/Bethesda, you all need to tone down those two world bosses in CWC. Both the Imperfect and Crow bosses, I have yet to go through a fight with my maxed out stam toons without wiping. Any given fight, even though, there are like 8 to 10 or more in there, toons including my stam toons, are wiping all around the two bosses. What the hell?! Ha ha. I'm getting damages from 14-18k per shot, along with multiple other 6-8k damages. All my stam toons, with 20-22k hp are getting knocked out with one or two shots, even with shield up, and I'm weaving around trying to avoid the stupid reds. Other toons/players are also being simultaneously wiped out; bunch of white ghosts/souls rezzing. Only times I haven't wiped yet are with my MagSorcs and tanks. Well, I did wiped once with my tank in one of the Crow bosses fight. I got hit with a 41k cap damage, along with the other hits and damages. That tank is 40k hp, but, damn.. you can't survive a hit that thrashes you with 41k damage. What's up, here?!

Soloed the crows on my stam sorc 2 manned the robot you do remember they are made for groups

Impressive.. would definitely like to see a clip or feed of a stam toon (particularly stam toons with poor post-Morrowind damage shield) doing such/soloing with these CWC bosses.

Ummm... Damage shield on a stamina build? That is something that is not normal at all. And your comment doesn't make much sense, since CWC dropped after Morrowind so everything about any given build or character or skill will be "post-Morrowind".

Bobby_V_Rockit

I two manned the Wraith of Crows just before and I’m awful at this game, granted we each died once but seperately so it didnt reset, didnt seem to have any mechanics except dodge roll out of stupid, pretty easy honestly

starkerealm

Okay, I just cleared an Imperfect fight where everyone else wiped mid combat. So, maybe it's time I admit my zero-point for easy vs difficult in ESO is ****ed.

Turelus

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Well, I can't speak for WoW, as I don't play that. However, for ESO, you don't necessary need 10 or 20 people to take out a world boss.

You don't for the old ones, the newer ones ZOS has buffed to try and actually make the group based content (like intended).

Strider__Roshin

I've never had any issues soloing them... Honestly just keep practicing and get better rather than asking for the boss to be nerfed. This game is too easy as it is.

Elsonso

Turelus wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Well, I can't speak for WoW, as I don't play that. However, for ESO, you don't necessary need 10 or 20 people to take out a world boss.

You don't for the old ones, the newer ones ZOS has buffed to try and actually make the group based content (like intended).

It used to be a joke, before One Tamriel, how easy the world bosses could be killed by a single character that was not even level 50. At least they became harder with One Tamriel, and that work needs to continue.