my stamden build (and i wonder why not a single streamer mention my setup)

Trashs1

hello fellow comunity

this post refers most to our fellow build creators and in dept theory crafters like @Lexxypwns @crusnik91 @Hexys bakerofcakes kodipvp and so on..

i did my own stamden build. i play him now since 2 weeks with my equipment and just do well. (better than with any of the youtube builds)

im using a simple setup:

2 bloodspawn
5 seventh legion
5 on snb bar werewolfhide
2h bar asylum 2hand sword nirn // 2h werewolfsword nirn (gives 124 weapondmg through 4 set bonus) although not sure whats better here <--input from u guys needed

why noone mention that setup? i know its pretty much copy paste from the old stamdks but it works kinda well. im using the tree ult on snb and its almost up when the last one expires (ult gen morph). also dawnbreaker uptime is awesome when needed.

im currious what u guys think, why this build never got mentioned? is werewolfhide so weak this patch? i dont feel so

Sixty5

I think the biggest issue there is that you are lacking sustain. I can see that build working just fine on DK's given how spammable your ulti becomes, but on a Warden you don't have Battle Roar to keep your bars up, so running something like Bone Pirates over Werewolf hide will give you better results in the end.

Qbiken

Sixty5 wrote: »

I think the biggest issue there is that you are lacking sustain. I can see that build working just fine on DK's given how spammable your ulti becomes, but on a Warden you don't have Battle Roar to keep your bars up, so running something like Bone Pirates over Werewolf hide will give you better results in the end.

Netch + poisons + heavyattacks will help you a lot. And from my experience wardens have so many sources of healing that you actually have time/room to do extra heavy attacks from time to time (since you´ll have a lot of HoT´s running to keep you alive). But Bone-Pirate would be my personal choice.

Trashs1

Sixty5 wrote: »

I think the biggest issue there is that you are lacking sustain. I can see that build working just fine on DK's given how spammable your ulti becomes, but on a Warden you don't have Battle Roar to keep your bars up, so running something like Bone Pirates over Werewolf hide will give you better results in the end.

im running dubious camoran throne drink and 1 stam reg ecnhant. im sitting on 1900 stamreg and get also the netch over it.

when im running dry, its only because i got hard outnumered and i will die anyways

Thogard

I’ve seen people run that setup and have even recommended it before. I personally use CA in place of WWH because I like having more burst.. but your build definitely works.

Trashs1

Thogard wrote: »

I’ve seen people run that setup and have even recommended it before. I personally use CA in place of WWH because I like having more burst.. but your build definitely works.

may u tell me whats CA? xD

Qbiken

Trashs1 wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

I’ve seen people run that setup and have even recommended it before. I personally use CA in place of WWH because I like having more burst.. but your build definitely works.

may u tell me whats CA? xD

Clever Alchemist

lynog85

Doesnt have the burst potential the meta builds have. Werewolf hides not needed because ult regens already huge.

Trashs1

lynog85 wrote: »

Doesnt have the burst potential the meta builds have. Werewolf hides not needed because ult regens already huge.

whats the "meta"build in your eyes? plz dont say kodis sevent/bloodspawn/agility build with 2 fortified brass on snb

CA sounds interesting. but than u have to use healthy jewels of sevent legion

Thraben

Trashs1 wrote: »

lynog85 wrote: »

Doesnt have the burst potential the meta builds have. Werewolf hides not needed because ult regens already huge.

whats the "meta"build in your eyes? plz dont say kodis sevent/bloodspawn/agility build with 2 fortified brass on snb

CA sounds interesting. but than u have to use healthy jewels of sevent legion

You simply could have asked me

Remember to animation cancel the heavy attack before the Charge, both for DPS and for more ulti sustain.

7th legion is pretty standard. Werewolf Hides is indeed not needed then. I would prefer Reactive Armor over Brass. Hagraven could be even more cancerous if it fits your playstyle in 1vs x situations. Brass shines more in CP environment, not on Sotha. Maybe even decisive trait on back bar. StamReg is no thing if you know that you have to heal someone (including yourself) to get ressources back. Nature´s embrace is nice for that.

Don´t forget the "root/stam" poison.

Burst should not be a thing as SubAssault can´t be countered well, and there are only very few permarollers around.

Hexys

Trashs1 wrote: »

hello fellow comunity

this post refers most to our fellow build creators and in dept theory crafters like @Lexxypwns @crusnik91 @Hexys bakerofcakes kodipvp and so on..

i did my own stamden build. i play him now since 2 weeks with my equipment and just do well. (better than with any of the youtube builds)

im using a simple setup:

2 bloodspawn
5 seventh legion
5 on snb bar werewolfhide
2h bar asylum 2hand sword nirn // 2h werewolfsword nirn (gives 124 weapondmg through 4 set bonus) although not sure whats better here <--input from u guys needed

why noone mention that setup? i know its pretty much copy paste from the old stamdks but it works kinda well. im using the tree ult on snb and its almost up when the last one expires (ult gen morph). also dawnbreaker uptime is awesome when needed.

im currious what u guys think, why this build never got mentioned? is werewolfhide so weak this patch? i dont feel so

That's exactly what I'm using on my stamina warden

Trashs1

Thraben wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

lynog85 wrote: »

Doesnt have the burst potential the meta builds have. Werewolf hides not needed because ult regens already huge.

whats the "meta"build in your eyes? plz dont say kodis sevent/bloodspawn/agility build with 2 fortified brass on snb

CA sounds interesting. but than u have to use healthy jewels of sevent legion

You simply could have asked me

Remember to animation cancel the heavy attack before the Charge, both for DPS and for more ulti sustain.

7th legion is pretty standard. Werewolf Hides is indeed not needed then. I would prefer Reactive Armor over Brass. Hagraven could be even more cancerous if it fits your playstyle in 1vs x situations. Brass shines more in CP environment, not on Sotha. Maybe even decisive trait on back bar. StamReg is no thing if you know that you have to heal someone (including yourself) to get ressources back. Nature´s embrace is nice for that.

Don´t forget the "root/stam" poison.

Burst should not be a thing as SubAssault can´t be countered well, and there are only very few permarollers around.

hagraven sounds funny but getting you into healty jewels, since i asume there are no robust jewels of that set.


can u explain the usage of ha before charge? can u "charge" the heavy attack than press stampede and land both??

Hexys wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

hello fellow comunity

this post refers most to our fellow build creators and in dept theory crafters like @Lexxypwns @crusnik91 @Hexys bakerofcakes kodipvp and so on..

i did my own stamden build. i play him now since 2 weeks with my equipment and just do well. (better than with any of the youtube builds)

im using a simple setup:

2 bloodspawn
5 seventh legion
5 on snb bar werewolfhide
2h bar asylum 2hand sword nirn // 2h werewolfsword nirn (gives 124 weapondmg through 4 set bonus) although not sure whats better here <--input from u guys needed

why noone mention that setup? i know its pretty much copy paste from the old stamdks but it works kinda well. im using the tree ult on snb and its almost up when the last one expires (ult gen morph). also dawnbreaker uptime is awesome when needed.

im currious what u guys think, why this build never got mentioned? is werewolfhide so weak this patch? i dont feel so

That's exactly what I'm using on my stamina warden

well at least one

i love this ult gen on snb and have allways my trees up^^

Fur_like_snow

I run the same setup but with black rose instead of legion with all weapon damage glyphs. Immovable speed pots are my warden's favorite sports drink.

Valencer

Werewolf Hide is a little overkill on warden because if you fight any projectile-based ranged build Shimmering Shield is just going to give you permanent uptime on Major Heroism.

Default ulti gain is 3/s, Major Heroism adds another 3/s (effectively doubling your ulti gain). Werewolf Hide adds 1/s under ideal circumstances. Still nice to have, but really not needed. Youre better off getting more damage.

Thraben

Trash,

yes,

if you load your heavy attack, and then use Stampede at the right time, both skills are executed at the same time (even if the target was 20 m away), increasing the burst of the SubAssault/ Dawnbreaker combo while gaining 10 Ultis (14 with decisive) and some Stamina.

Furthermore, it SEEMS to increase the critchance of your enchantment/ poison.

Trashs1

Thraben wrote: »

Trash,

yes,

if you load your heavy attack, and then use Stampede at the right time, both skills are executed at the same time (even if the target was 20 m away), increasing the burst of the SubAssault/ Dawnbreaker combo while gaining 10 Ultis (14 with decisive) and some Stamina.

Furthermore, it SEEMS to increase the critchance of your enchantment/ poison.

thx, learned something today!

Lexxypwns

This is literally what I pug BGs with. For group play, Powerful Assault is better imo. The extra ultimate is nice though and it’s a tank and spank setup where you can turtle for prolonged amounts of time and still secure kills.

Anyone saying it’s not enough sustain is outright wrong, I’m rarely low and never out of stam and I don’t even need netch.

WWhide is superior to bone pirate(which people suggested) because you can run it on only 1 bar and still get great effect from it.

Btw, the stam warden meta is double offensive sets(one of these should be 7th legion) with malu and Asylum Axe. Truth, alchemist, PA, etc. IMO

Hecker777

I feel bad, because I usually actively avoid youtube builds, but this new one Kodi posted (he even admits it's not his build) with 5 7th front and 5 truth back with the tactician passive looks interesting. Not gonna say I think it's gonna be OP because I really worry about sustain with that setup but I think it might be worth a try.

Lexxypwns

Hecker777 wrote: »

I feel bad, because I usually actively avoid youtube builds, but this new one Kodi posted (he even admits it's not his build) with 5 7th front and 5 truth back with the tactician passive looks interesting. Not gonna say I think it's gonna be OP because I really worry about sustain with that setup but I think it might be worth a try.

It’s the most damage I’ve found in a 2h main bar stamden setup. Tactician proc’ing exploiter is very strong and that’s the true strength of the build, you can apply that to other gear sets though

Waffennacht

Very interesting /lurk

Trashs1

Lexxypwns wrote: »

This is literally what I pug BGs with. For group play, Powerful Assault is better imo. The extra ultimate is nice though and it’s a tank and spank setup where you can turtle for prolonged amounts of time and still secure kills.

Anyone saying it’s not enough sustain is outright wrong, I’m rarely low and never out of stam and I don’t even need netch.

WWhide is superior to bone pirate(which people suggested) because you can run it on only 1 bar and still get great effect from it.

Btw, the stam warden meta is double offensive sets(one of these should be 7th legion) with malu and Asylum Axe. Truth, alchemist, PA, etc. IMO

thx @Lexxypwns , as alllways, for clarifieing things out for me

last question: should i use ww hide 2h sword or asylum? because with the ww 2h i get 124 more weapon dmg and with asylum i get even more ult gen

what would u say is more beneficial?


to armour of the truth... im not sure.. u need to dodge roll to set somebody off balance, it seems than a worse senche to me

Sunburnt_Penguin

Trashs1 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

This is literally what I pug BGs with. For group play, Powerful Assault is better imo. The extra ultimate is nice though and it’s a tank and spank setup where you can turtle for prolonged amounts of time and still secure kills.

Anyone saying it’s not enough sustain is outright wrong, I’m rarely low and never out of stam and I don’t even need netch.

WWhide is superior to bone pirate(which people suggested) because you can run it on only 1 bar and still get great effect from it.

Btw, the stam warden meta is double offensive sets(one of these should be 7th legion) with malu and Asylum Axe. Truth, alchemist, PA, etc. IMO

thx @Lexxypwns , as alllways, for clarifieing things out for me

last question: should i use ww hide 2h sword or asylum? because with the ww 2h i get 124 more weapon dmg and with asylum i get even more ult gen

what would u say is more beneficial?


to armour of the truth... im not sure.. u need to dodge roll to set somebody off balance, it seems than a worse senche to me

The funny thing is.. while Kodi was running around with his “BiS” 7th, Agility & Death Wind setup pre-CWC: 7th & Truth was actually even stronger then, than it is now.

Juhasow

Basicly the same setup I've been running in lately. Although it's nice I feel like something is missing especially against builds that have high healing and they are easy to burst down but they start to go in defensive mode on low health and spamming heals or shields endlessly. I've been thinking of Durok's Bane set on s&b bar to apply Major Defile on multiple targets with almost 100% uptime without even using any skill or maybe Shieldbreaker to quickly deal with shieldspammers when they're on low health. Basicly something that would help with brainless defensives that enemies are used to use commonly lately.

Juhasow

Trashs1 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

This is literally what I pug BGs with. For group play, Powerful Assault is better imo. The extra ultimate is nice though and it’s a tank and spank setup where you can turtle for prolonged amounts of time and still secure kills.

Anyone saying it’s not enough sustain is outright wrong, I’m rarely low and never out of stam and I don’t even need netch.

WWhide is superior to bone pirate(which people suggested) because you can run it on only 1 bar and still get great effect from it.

Btw, the stam warden meta is double offensive sets(one of these should be 7th legion) with malu and Asylum Axe. Truth, alchemist, PA, etc. IMO

thx @Lexxypwns , as alllways, for clarifieing things out for me

last question: should i use ww hide 2h sword or asylum? because with the ww 2h i get 124 more weapon dmg and with asylum i get even more ult gen

what would u say is more beneficial?


to armour of the truth... im not sure.. u need to dodge roll to set somebody off balance, it seems than a worse senche to me

Truth bonus last 10 seconds Senche 5 seconds so You need 2x more dodges and bar swaps to keep Senche bonus up. Off-ballance also makes Your heavy attacks 70% stronger , so You can basicly make combo s&b LA-roll dodge-swap-subterranean assault-heavy attack(70% stronger)-dizzying swing-(optionally DBoS)-execute. With 5 seconds bonus of Senche I dont think You would be able to keep bonus from s&b enchantment or Senche for whole combo duration.

Qbiken

Juhasow wrote: »

Basicly the same setup I've been running in lately. Although it's nice I feel like something is missing especially against builds that have high healing and they are easy to burst down but they start to go in defensive mode on low health and spamming heals or shields endlessly. I've been thinking of Durok's Bane set on s&b bar to apply Major Defile on multiple targets with almost 100% uptime without even using any skill or maybe Shieldbreaker to quickly deal with shieldspammers when they're on low health. Basicly something that would help with brainless defensives that enemies are used to use commonly lately.

Juhasow wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

This is literally what I pug BGs with. For group play, Powerful Assault is better imo. The extra ultimate is nice though and it’s a tank and spank setup where you can turtle for prolonged amounts of time and still secure kills.

Anyone saying it’s not enough sustain is outright wrong, I’m rarely low and never out of stam and I don’t even need netch.

WWhide is superior to bone pirate(which people suggested) because you can run it on only 1 bar and still get great effect from it.

Btw, the stam warden meta is double offensive sets(one of these should be 7th legion) with malu and Asylum Axe. Truth, alchemist, PA, etc. IMO

thx @Lexxypwns , as alllways, for clarifieing things out for me

last question: should i use ww hide 2h sword or asylum? because with the ww 2h i get 124 more weapon dmg and with asylum i get even more ult gen

what would u say is more beneficial?


to armour of the truth... im not sure.. u need to dodge roll to set somebody off balance, it seems than a worse senche to me

Truth bonus last 10 seconds Senche 5 seconds so You need 2x more dodges and bar swaps to keep Senche bonus up. Off-ballance also makes Your heavy attacks 70% stronger , so You can basicly make combo s&b LA-roll dodge-swap-subterranean assault-heavy attack(70% stronger)-dizzying swing-(optionally DBoS)-execute. With 5 seconds bonus of Senche I dont think You would be able to keep bonus from s&b enchantment or Senche for whole combo duration.

With "Kodi´s" setup you´ll hit a very high weapon-damage peak. And in my experience, stacking a lot of weapon-damage is the most efficient way to deal with shield-stacking cheese (There´s a reason WW´s have an easy time with most magsorcs). So don´t really think shieldbreaker is needed to be honest

Trashs1

Juhasow wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

This is literally what I pug BGs with. For group play, Powerful Assault is better imo. The extra ultimate is nice though and it’s a tank and spank setup where you can turtle for prolonged amounts of time and still secure kills.

Anyone saying it’s not enough sustain is outright wrong, I’m rarely low and never out of stam and I don’t even need netch.

WWhide is superior to bone pirate(which people suggested) because you can run it on only 1 bar and still get great effect from it.

Btw, the stam warden meta is double offensive sets(one of these should be 7th legion) with malu and Asylum Axe. Truth, alchemist, PA, etc. IMO

thx @Lexxypwns , as alllways, for clarifieing things out for me

last question: should i use ww hide 2h sword or asylum? because with the ww 2h i get 124 more weapon dmg and with asylum i get even more ult gen

what would u say is more beneficial?


to armour of the truth... im not sure.. u need to dodge roll to set somebody off balance, it seems than a worse senche to me

Truth bonus last 10 seconds Senche 5 seconds so You need 2x more dodges and bar swaps to keep Senche bonus up. Off-ballance also makes Your heavy attacks 70% stronger , so You can basicly make combo s&b LA-roll dodge-swap-subterranean assault-heavy attack(70% stronger)-dizzying swing-(optionally DBoS)-execute. With 5 seconds bonus of Senche I dont think You would be able to keep bonus from s&b enchantment or Senche for whole combo duration.

interesting, how hard is it to get the robust unique truth rings?

Lexxypwns

Juhasow wrote: »

Trashs1 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

This is literally what I pug BGs with. For group play, Powerful Assault is better imo. The extra ultimate is nice though and it’s a tank and spank setup where you can turtle for prolonged amounts of time and still secure kills.

Anyone saying it’s not enough sustain is outright wrong, I’m rarely low and never out of stam and I don’t even need netch.

WWhide is superior to bone pirate(which people suggested) because you can run it on only 1 bar and still get great effect from it.

Btw, the stam warden meta is double offensive sets(one of these should be 7th legion) with malu and Asylum Axe. Truth, alchemist, PA, etc. IMO

thx @Lexxypwns , as alllways, for clarifieing things out for me

last question: should i use ww hide 2h sword or asylum? because with the ww 2h i get 124 more weapon dmg and with asylum i get even more ult gen

what would u say is more beneficial?


to armour of the truth... im not sure.. u need to dodge roll to set somebody off balance, it seems than a worse senche to me

Truth bonus last 10 seconds Senche 5 seconds so You need 2x more dodges and bar swaps to keep Senche bonus up. Off-ballance also makes Your heavy attacks 70% stronger , so You can basicly make combo s&b LA-roll dodge-swap-subterranean assault-heavy attack(70% stronger)-dizzying swing-(optionally DBoS)-execute. With 5 seconds bonus of Senche I dont think You would be able to keep bonus from s&b enchantment or Senche for whole combo duration.

You also Get 10% bonus damage from exploiter, though both setups get that.

@Trashs1 Asylum 2h Axe is the best 2h weapon choice imo. It adds a DoT we lack in our kit and the ulti gen is excellent. I’ll usually have a defensive ult up within 10 seconds of dropping my offensive combo, sometimes less

Adenoma

I'm running 5x 7L, 5x alchemist back bar, 2x malubeth. You basically get a 15s burst window using immov pots and around 5.5k weapon damage. Hits like a truck, then you turtle for 30s to rinse and repeat.

Trashs1

i have a interesting idea, whats about lifewire on snb bar?

it depends on how long the concussion effect lasts and if its possible to swap bars and dont loose the effect but with sevent it means doble heals

what do u think?

ok 3 secs dura... forgett it

Adenoma

@Trashs1 , livewire is good. I ended up going with two damage sets for my stamwarden.

Master_Kas

Adenoma wrote: »

I'm running 5x 7L, 5x alchemist back bar, 2x malubeth. You basically get a 15s burst window using immov pots and around 5.5k weapon damage. Hits like a truck, then you turtle for 30s to rinse and repeat.

Changed my backbar werewolf hide to alchemist, and I'm loving it. Only diffrence is that I run bloodspawn instead of malubeth.

With alch+legion+infused glyph from backbar the weapondamage is disgusting.

Will try out truth when/if I manage to farm the correct pieces but that will take some time.