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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861
This controversy on lootboxes/crown crates needs to stop
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Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
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I don't have the power to silence anyone, but multiple non constructive threads that drone on about the same thing dosen't achieve anything and is more or less temper tantrums
Raising concerns is not constructive? Thats new. Seems you just want people to be quiet because you dont agree with them.3 -
Balamoor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Good luck with that, OP. The Internet Rage Machine has gotten good & wound up, and it's not going to stop until Something™ is done.
Given that Something™ is going to be because of ignorant legislatures that are still trying to grasp "digital" & knee-jerk reacting company boards, it's likely to end up - possibly months from now - actually being a bad thing. (i.e, Be Careful What You Wish For...)
Yeah it kind of reminds me of the whole Heavy Metal is evil congressional hearings of the 80's...so you can imagine the type of people on this forum supporting that.
I wouldn't worry though honestly .....as I said in this thread I have actually spoken to folks that know a whole lot more about this than a armchair legislator, and there really isn't much to worry about. What ZoS should be more concerned with is the lunatic fringe that are taking this way too far and harassing folks in game and trying to expose their personal information to the public for the heinous crime of buying crown crates or saying positive tings about them, that is going end up getting ZoS sued, if something bad happens.
Yes, you have spoken to folks that know better. How on earth can we argue with that. And I havent seen, in my experience since beta, a single person harass anyone for having items from crown crates. Stop making stuff up. The problem is crown crates, and if you want more choices to spend your money on, the solution would be get rid of them, if you are concerned about the free market and zos' profit, adding high price apex items for direct purchase would actually get them even more money because peopel would be more inclined to spend money on something where they were guaranteed something useful.
Seriously, you sound like the main character from AHS Cult....
Yeah I'm making stuff up theyr'e aren't reports with ZoS concerning the issues with evidence, there certainly isn't three people who won't play this game that use to be in my guild who got bullied by the PAWS cult which carried over to their personal lives. It doesn't exist because the Omniscient Jade1986 never has seen it.
People like you drumbeat for your little special interest but you dismiss out of hand anything you don't agree with.
How typical.
Hold the phone, THREE people?! Guys, we need to stop everything because these three people got theoretically bullied.
I hope my sarcasm is palpable.
Point is, you are for free market, free market would be better served with direct purchase.
You want choice, ok, direct purchase would benefit that.
You are worried ZoS will be financially damaged from removing them. Yet they wouldnt because more people would be inclined to spend money on things if they know what they are getting.
Everything you argue can be refuted with basic logic and knowledge. And I dont need anonymous "specialists" to tell me that.
Not Palpable, typical and hypocritical.....I personally don't give two damns for your opinion or your point of view you are the forum warrior who keeps trying to argue with me. The current business model isn't going anywhere no matter how much you whine over it or how often turn to insults when your "flawless logic" fails. You can keep waving your little virtue signaling flags, and trying to shout down everyone else....it really isn't going to get you what you want.0 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Good luck with that, OP. The Internet Rage Machine has gotten good & wound up, and it's not going to stop until Something™ is done.
Given that Something™ is going to be because of ignorant legislatures that are still trying to grasp "digital" & knee-jerk reacting company boards, it's likely to end up - possibly months from now - actually being a bad thing. (i.e, Be Careful What You Wish For...)
Quoted for (seriously) truth.
What are the odds (hah) of the "Next OMG Won't You Think of the ______" coming along and booting this to the curb?
I wonder.
Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake1 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Good luck with that, OP. The Internet Rage Machine has gotten good & wound up, and it's not going to stop until Something™ is done.
Given that Something™ is going to be because of ignorant legislatures that are still trying to grasp "digital" & knee-jerk reacting company boards, it's likely to end up - possibly months from now - actually being a bad thing. (i.e, Be Careful What You Wish For...)
Yeah it kind of reminds me of the whole Heavy Metal is evil congressional hearings of the 80's...so you can imagine the type of people on this forum supporting that.
I wouldn't worry though honestly .....as I said in this thread I have actually spoken to folks that know a whole lot more about this than a armchair legislator, and there really isn't much to worry about. What ZoS should be more concerned with is the lunatic fringe that are taking this way too far and harassing folks in game and trying to expose their personal information to the public for the heinous crime of buying crown crates or saying positive tings about them, that is going end up getting ZoS sued, if something bad happens.
Yes, you have spoken to folks that know better. How on earth can we argue with that. And I havent seen, in my experience since beta, a single person harass anyone for having items from crown crates. Stop making stuff up. The problem is crown crates, and if you want more choices to spend your money on, the solution would be get rid of them, if you are concerned about the free market and zos' profit, adding high price apex items for direct purchase would actually get them even more money because peopel would be more inclined to spend money on something where they were guaranteed something useful.
Seriously, you sound like the main character from AHS Cult....
Yeah I'm making stuff up theyr'e aren't reports with ZoS concerning the issues with evidence, there certainly isn't three people who won't play this game that use to be in my guild who got bullied by the PAWS cult which carried over to their personal lives. It doesn't exist because the Omniscient Jade1986 never has seen it.
People like you drumbeat for your little special interest but you dismiss out of hand anything you don't agree with.
How typical.
Hold the phone, THREE people?! Guys, we need to stop everything because these three people got theoretically bullied.
I hope my sarcasm is palpable.
Point is, you are for free market, free market would be better served with direct purchase.
You want choice, ok, direct purchase would benefit that.
You are worried ZoS will be financially damaged from removing them. Yet they wouldnt because more people would be inclined to spend money on things if they know what they are getting.
Everything you argue can be refuted with basic logic and knowledge. And I dont need anonymous "specialists" to tell me that.
Not Palpable, typical and hypocritical.....I personally don't give two damns for your opinion or your point of view you are the forum warrior who keeps trying to argue with me. The current business model isn't going anywhere no matter how much you whine over it or how often turn to insults when your "flawless logic" fails. You can keep waving your little virtue signaling flags, and trying to shout down everyone else....it really isn't going to get you what you want.
If you didnt care about our opinion you wouldnt get so bent out of shape about it calling for us to get banned for voicing ours.
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✭✭✭✭Geroken777 wrote: »Including here. Many of you cry about not having the choice to buy a cosmetic item that will grant you nothing but satisfaction at the end of the day. Remember this: ESO is a business and it needs revenue, and crown store does its job. Many of you suggested going back to sub-mode, but the reason ZOS decided to drop it is because it wasn't profitable. Again, coming to the topic of addiction which also a lot of you discuss. There is a word called 'self responsibility' and some people shoud look it up in the dictionary. This chaos needs to stop. Stop whining about cosmetics.
And, yet, you start another thread on the topic. Let the chaos continue!PC/NA/EP ✌️4 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Except it wont stop.
Because we're tired of it. We're tired of a drop in quality of games because of these lootboxes, and quite frankly elected officials are concerned about the preditory nature of the practice.
Sorry bud, you dont get to turn it off like a lightswitch. It's been festering for a while now, and now it might finally be ready to treat the wound.9 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
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I don't have the power to silence anyone, but multiple non constructive threads that drone on about the same thing dosen't achieve anything and is more or less temper tantrums
Raising concerns is not constructive? Thats new. Seems you just want people to be quiet because you dont agree with them.
As for me, nah. I just don't think we need, what...4 or 5 different threads on the subject.
Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake3 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »
I don't have the power to silence anyone, but multiple non constructive threads that drone on about the same thing dosen't achieve anything and is more or less temper tantrums
Raising concerns is not constructive? Thats new. Seems you just want people to be quiet because you dont agree with them.
As for me, nah. I just don't think we need, what...4 or 5 different threads on the subject.
And thats totally cool to have that opinion.
But people calling to ban anyone that voices their opinion against crown crates? Yeah, that doesnt fly. Personally I think we need more because it is clear people are fed up.4 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Good luck with that, OP. The Internet Rage Machine has gotten good & wound up, and it's not going to stop until Something™ is done.
Given that Something™ is going to be because of ignorant legislatures that are still trying to grasp "digital" & knee-jerk reacting company boards, it's likely to end up - possibly months from now - actually being a bad thing. (i.e, Be Careful What You Wish For...)
Yeah it kind of reminds me of the whole Heavy Metal is evil congressional hearings of the 80's...so you can imagine the type of people on this forum supporting that.
I wouldn't worry though honestly .....as I said in this thread I have actually spoken to folks that know a whole lot more about this than a armchair legislator, and there really isn't much to worry about. What ZoS should be more concerned with is the lunatic fringe that are taking this way too far and harassing folks in game and trying to expose their personal information to the public for the heinous crime of buying crown crates or saying positive tings about them, that is going end up getting ZoS sued, if something bad happens.
1. This 'lunatic fringe' isn't a lunatic fringe. It's a sizeable ammount of people who are tired of seeing the quallity of games drop for these loot boxes. In addition to the predatory nature that drives they're design. And they are gaining traction.
Part of the reason it has gone this far, is the legal grey area these practices operate out of. As soon as it's clarified, you will almost certainly see a reduction, or redesign of how these systems are implimented. They wont go away, not right away, maybe not even at all. But they will be modified and possibly constrained by a law which helps game design and development retain it's quality again.
3. Your actions thusfar make it likely you'd like the ability to censor people.
3. Three people got bullied. You've still not provided any details on that. What provoked it. Logs. Anything for us to judge, other than your word. Lisen and believe does not work here.
PS: As a metalhead? Sod off, not even remotely the same thing. That' is what a narrative looks like m'boy.
The metal hearings were a moral panic driven off the unsubstanciated claim that metal causes people to be violent. It was also done in a time where psychiatric medicine wasn't particularly great at the time, and thus studies were suspect.
The lootbox design is predicated off substaciated psycological research on microtransactions, and how they pressure people into buying them through constant exposure. And that's what they''re -designed- off. Those graphs and charts were what the people who sold the system to corporations, used to sell it.
Edited by Doctordarkspawn on November 25, 2017 6:04PM4 -
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✭✭Honestly the thing that makes me giggle the most regarding all of this controversy is people not realizing their criticisms of loot crates and such is applicable to capitalism as a whole. Only makes sense, capitalism offered incentive for microtransactions and gave rise to this frankenstein's monster where performance problems are ignored in favor of more shiny cash grabs that get worse every time (going from everything at least being purchasable with the currency you get an abysmally small amount of going to super special items that can only drop being the example for ESO but other games have done much worse but gun shots being worse than stab wounds doesn't mean the stab is pleasant)"Your mistake is you begged for your life, not for mercy. I will show you there are many fates worse than death."
Para Nostram
Bosmer Sorceress
Witch of Evermore
"Death is a privilege that can be denied by it's learned scholars."
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Balamoor✭✭✭✭✭
✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »
I don't have the power to silence anyone, but multiple non constructive threads that drone on about the same thing dosen't achieve anything and is more or less temper tantrums
Raising concerns is not constructive? Thats new. Seems you just want people to be quiet because you dont agree with them.
As for me, nah. I just don't think we need, what...4 or 5 different threads on the subject.
More like 20 or 30....but no "You can't stop the Revolution!!"
lol
I think I'll go but a few dozen crown crates in celebration of freedom.
Predictable retort from the usual suspects in 5..4..3...2...0 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »
I don't have the power to silence anyone, but multiple non constructive threads that drone on about the same thing dosen't achieve anything and is more or less temper tantrums
Raising concerns is not constructive? Thats new. Seems you just want people to be quiet because you dont agree with them.
As for me, nah. I just don't think we need, what...4 or 5 different threads on the subject.
And thats totally cool to have that opinion.
But people calling to ban anyone that voices their opinion against crown crates? Yeah, that doesnt fly. Personally I think we need more because it is clear people are fed up.
More threads? Seriously? Or do I misunderstand? Because if you think we need more threads on this subject, I might have to speak to you...well, not nicely.
Keep it consolidated. One, it doesn't clutter the place up and two, it makes it a whole lot easier for the mods to read what is being said and, potentially, pass it along rather than have it splattered all over the place.
---Former Mod (not here)
Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake1 -
Sheezabeast✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭As consumers we're allowed to voice our opinions on issues, discouraging this is counter-productive.
Getting worked up over someone else's opinion, that's on you, learn where and when its appropriate.
Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!5 -
DarkAedin✭✭✭✭✭Geroken777 wrote: »Including here. Many of you cry about not having the choice to buy a cosmetic item that will grant you nothing but satisfaction at the end of the day. Remember this: ESO is a business and it needs revenue, and crown store does its job. Many of you suggested going back to sub-mode, but the reason ZOS decided to drop it is because it wasn't profitable. Again, coming to the topic of addiction which also a lot of you discuss. There is a word called 'self responsibility' and some people shoud look it up in the dictionary. This chaos needs to stop. Stop whining about cosmetics.
@Geroken777
I would be willing to bet that zos would make more money if they did away with crown crates and made all the items purchasable with crowns.
I want u to be aware that as long as zos devs are making strong decisions, the community will happily throw money at them. And imho, crown crates are stopping this.
Its important that we give the devs money to continue keeping the game alive with bug fixes, new content, and balance. Crown store items help pay for this. But there has to be a return outside of this for us to want to GIVE them our monies, this is why we fight crown crates, among other reasons.3 -
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✭Creating a thread to stop a controversy is a good way to perpetuate it.PC/EU. NoCP PvP. sDK Orc IRL. Flawless tamperor. Pro scrub.4 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »
I don't have the power to silence anyone, but multiple non constructive threads that drone on about the same thing dosen't achieve anything and is more or less temper tantrums
Raising concerns is not constructive? Thats new. Seems you just want people to be quiet because you dont agree with them.
As for me, nah. I just don't think we need, what...4 or 5 different threads on the subject.
And thats totally cool to have that opinion.
But people calling to ban anyone that voices their opinion against crown crates? Yeah, that doesnt fly. Personally I think we need more because it is clear people are fed up.
More threads? Seriously? Or do I misunderstand? Because if you think we need more threads on this subject, I might have to speak to you...well, not nicely.
Keep it consolidated. One, it doesn't clutter the place up and two, it makes it a whole lot easier for the mods to read what is being said and, potentially, pass it along rather than have it splattered all over the place.
---Former Mod (not here)
We had one, and we got insulted to the bone for having it, and it got closed.1 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »As consumers we're allowed to voice our opinions on issues, discouraging this is counter-productive.
Getting worked up over someone else's opinion, that's on you, learn where and when its appropriate.
Thank you! If there are multiple threads on the matter by different authors then clearly something is amiss.3 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »
I don't have the power to silence anyone, but multiple non constructive threads that drone on about the same thing dosen't achieve anything and is more or less temper tantrums
Raising concerns is not constructive? Thats new. Seems you just want people to be quiet because you dont agree with them.
As for me, nah. I just don't think we need, what...4 or 5 different threads on the subject.
More like 20 or 30....but no "You can't stop the Revolution!!"
lol
I think I'll go but a few dozen crown crates in celebration of freedom.
Predictable retort from the usual suspects in 5..4..3...2...
You do realize buying crown crates instead of direct purchases -RESTRICTS- your freedom of choice, right?
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Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Good luck with that, OP. The Internet Rage Machine has gotten good & wound up, and it's not going to stop until Something™ is done.
Given that Something™ is going to be because of ignorant legislatures that are still trying to grasp "digital" & knee-jerk reacting company boards, it's likely to end up - possibly months from now - actually being a bad thing. (i.e, Be Careful What You Wish For...)
Don't worry. I'm sure they'll come to a fair and rational decision.
They always do
"If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."0 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Good luck with that, OP. The Internet Rage Machine has gotten good & wound up, and it's not going to stop until Something™ is done.
Given that Something™ is going to be because of ignorant legislatures that are still trying to grasp "digital" & knee-jerk reacting company boards, it's likely to end up - possibly months from now - actually being a bad thing. (i.e, Be Careful What You Wish For...)
Yeah it kind of reminds me of the whole Heavy Metal is evil congressional hearings of the 80's...so you can imagine the type of people on this forum supporting that.
I wouldn't worry though honestly .....as I said in this thread I have actually spoken to folks that know a whole lot more about this than a armchair legislator, and there really isn't much to worry about. What ZoS should be more concerned with is the lunatic fringe that are taking this way too far and harassing folks in game and trying to expose their personal information to the public for the heinous crime of buying crown crates or saying positive tings about them, that is going end up getting ZoS sued, if something bad happens.
Yes, you have spoken to folks that know better. How on earth can we argue with that. And I havent seen, in my experience since beta, a single person harass anyone for having items from crown crates. Stop making stuff up. The problem is crown crates, and if you want more choices to spend your money on, the solution would be get rid of them, if you are concerned about the free market and zos' profit, adding high price apex items for direct purchase would actually get them even more money because peopel would be more inclined to spend money on something where they were guaranteed something useful.
Seriously, you sound like the main character from AHS Cult....
Yeah I'm making stuff up theyr'e aren't reports with ZoS concerning the issues with evidence, there certainly isn't three people who won't play this game that use to be in my guild who got bullied by the PAWS cult which carried over to their personal lives. It doesn't exist because the Omniscient Jade1986 never has seen it.
People like you drumbeat for your little special interest but you dismiss out of hand anything you don't agree with.
How typical.
Hold the phone, THREE people?! Guys, we need to stop everything because these three people got theoretically bullied.
I hope my sarcasm is palpable.
Point is, you are for free market, free market would be better served with direct purchase.
You want choice, ok, direct purchase would benefit that.
You are worried ZoS will be financially damaged from removing them. Yet they wouldnt because more people would be inclined to spend money on things if they know what they are getting.
Everything you argue can be refuted with basic logic and knowledge. And I dont need anonymous "specialists" to tell me that.
Not Palpable, typical and hypocritical.....I personally don't give two damns for your opinion or your point of view you are the forum warrior who keeps trying to argue with me. The current business model isn't going anywhere no matter how much you whine over it or how often turn to insults when your "flawless logic" fails. You can keep waving your little virtue signaling flags, and trying to shout down everyone else....it really isn't going to get you what you want.
I find it very funny your attempting to bring politics into it, especially when many of your actions are in line with what your trying to cast -us- as.
Wasn't if you who went ahed and said we should be our brothers keepers all those times ago when you first started picking a bone with me?
No, it isn't virtue signaling that compels most of us to fight this practice. It's the active degrading of quality of games that impliment these. Like star wars battlefront. Or Shadow Of War. (Which I have played, and I guarentee you, half of the changes they made to the system were there to encourage. you to take a more active interest in followers and thus, bait microtransactions.)
It's also the fact we'd like to buy many of the things on offer outright, but are unable to.
But then again, I dont think you care overmuch. Your just here to stir the pot for perceived tresspasses, as your forum signature implies.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on November 25, 2017 6:27PM2 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Geroken777 wrote: »Including here. Many of you cry about not having the choice to buy a cosmetic item that will grant you nothing but satisfaction at the end of the day. Remember this: ESO is a business and it needs revenue, and crown store does its job. Many of you suggested going back to sub-mode, but the reason ZOS decided to drop it is because it wasn't profitable. Again, coming to the topic of addiction which also a lot of you discuss. There is a word called 'self responsibility' and some people shoud look it up in the dictionary. This chaos needs to stop. Stop whining about cosmetics.
And yet they would make just as much profit or even more from getting rid of them and making items direct purchase.....
That part isn't quite true. The profits on lucky bags are, quite frankly, staggering.3 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »DieAlteHexe wrote: »
I don't have the power to silence anyone, but multiple non constructive threads that drone on about the same thing dosen't achieve anything and is more or less temper tantrums
Raising concerns is not constructive? Thats new. Seems you just want people to be quiet because you dont agree with them.
As for me, nah. I just don't think we need, what...4 or 5 different threads on the subject.
And thats totally cool to have that opinion.
But people calling to ban anyone that voices their opinion against crown crates? Yeah, that doesnt fly. Personally I think we need more because it is clear people are fed up.
More threads? Seriously? Or do I misunderstand? Because if you think we need more threads on this subject, I might have to speak to you...well, not nicely.
Keep it consolidated. One, it doesn't clutter the place up and two, it makes it a whole lot easier for the mods to read what is being said and, potentially, pass it along rather than have it splattered all over the place.
---Former Mod (not here)
We had one, and we got insulted to the bone for having it, and it got closed.
At the time this one was posted there were 3 others...
Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake2 -
DieAlteHexe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »As consumers we're allowed to voice our opinions on issues, discouraging this is counter-productive.
Getting worked up over someone else's opinion, that's on you, learn where and when its appropriate.
Thank you! If there are multiple threads on the matter by different authors then clearly something is amiss.
You run the risk of alienating "fence sitters" when you (that's generic "you") oversaturate.
I'm neutral on this whole thing and I'm getting tired of the main page being cluttered with numerous of the same post. Yes, there is interest but that can just as easily be shown in one GINORMOUS thread.
And, note, this got moved....
Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake3 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Good luck with that, OP. The Internet Rage Machine has gotten good & wound up, and it's not going to stop until Something™ is done.
Given that Something™ is going to be because of ignorant legislatures that are still trying to grasp "digital" & knee-jerk reacting company boards, it's likely to end up - possibly months from now - actually being a bad thing. (i.e, Be Careful What You Wish For...)
Yeah it kind of reminds me of the whole Heavy Metal is evil congressional hearings of the 80's...so you can imagine the type of people on this forum supporting that.
I wouldn't worry though honestly .....as I said in this thread I have actually spoken to folks that know a whole lot more about this than a armchair legislator, and there really isn't much to worry about. What ZoS should be more concerned with is the lunatic fringe that are taking this way too far and harassing folks in game and trying to expose their personal information to the public for the heinous crime of buying crown crates or saying positive tings about them, that is going end up getting ZoS sued, if something bad happens.
The immediate distinction on your example that's worth remembering is, all of the culture shock hearings that the US legislature was (and to an extent, still is) fond of were, just that, acts by the United States legislature.
Now, you may have noticed that Belgium, France, and Australia are, in fact, not part of the US. The opposition in this case is, in fact, transnational. Now, granted, I'm a bit rusty on my international law, but I'm pretty sure most countries do not engage in Judicial Review the way the US. This means that the "years of inaction" you might see in the US as the courts stumble around on the issue wouldn't apply. Furthermore, it's not a question of ZOS being sued, it's that the entire business model will be rendered politically unpalatable. Which EA is well on the way towards.
Best case, this means that P2W is on the way out. But publishers do need to start considering a future where paid lucky bags are not legal to sell in some EU member states, or in the EU at all.2 -
Balamoor✭✭✭✭✭
✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »As consumers we're allowed to voice our opinions on issues, discouraging this is counter-productive.
Getting worked up over someone else's opinion, that's on you, learn where and when its appropriate.
Thank you! If there are multiple threads on the matter by different authors then clearly something is amiss.
You run the risk of alienating "fence sitters" when you (that's generic "you") oversaturate.
I'm neutral on this whole thing and I'm getting tired of the main page being cluttered with numerous of the same post. Yes, there is interest but that can just as easily be shown in one GINORMOUS thread.
And, note, this got moved....
Yeah buried back in a sub forum that gets little traffic is a great way to deal with it...they can't whine that they are being silenced, but they are shouting their opinions from a place few hear.
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DarkAedin✭✭✭✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »As consumers we're allowed to voice our opinions on issues, discouraging this is counter-productive.
Getting worked up over someone else's opinion, that's on you, learn where and when its appropriate.
Thank you! If there are multiple threads on the matter by different authors then clearly something is amiss.
You run the risk of alienating "fence sitters" when you (that's generic "you") oversaturate.
I'm neutral on this whole thing and I'm getting tired of the main page being cluttered with numerous of the same post. Yes, there is interest but that can just as easily be shown in one GINORMOUS thread.
And, note, this got moved....
Yeah buried back in a sub forum that gets little traffic is a great way to deal with it...they can't whine that they are being silenced, but they are shouting their opinions from a place few hear.
lol
They are on a trend of moving the threads they dont want the masses to see3 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »As consumers we're allowed to voice our opinions on issues, discouraging this is counter-productive.
Getting worked up over someone else's opinion, that's on you, learn where and when its appropriate.
Thank you! If there are multiple threads on the matter by different authors then clearly something is amiss.
You run the risk of alienating "fence sitters" when you (that's generic "you") oversaturate.
I'm neutral on this whole thing and I'm getting tired of the main page being cluttered with numerous of the same post. Yes, there is interest but that can just as easily be shown in one GINORMOUS thread.
And, note, this got moved....
Yeah buried back in a sub forum that gets little traffic is a great way to deal with it...they can't whine that they are being silenced, but they are shouting their opinions from a place few hear.
lol
They are on a trend of moving the threads they dont want the masses to see
So, like Reddit?"If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."2 -
Balamoor✭✭✭✭✭
✭DieAlteHexe wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »As consumers we're allowed to voice our opinions on issues, discouraging this is counter-productive.
Getting worked up over someone else's opinion, that's on you, learn where and when its appropriate.
Thank you! If there are multiple threads on the matter by different authors then clearly something is amiss.
You run the risk of alienating "fence sitters" when you (that's generic "you") oversaturate.
I'm neutral on this whole thing and I'm getting tired of the main page being cluttered with numerous of the same post. Yes, there is interest but that can just as easily be shown in one GINORMOUS thread.
And, note, this got moved....
Yeah buried back in a sub forum that gets little traffic is a great way to deal with it...they can't whine that they are being silenced, but they are shouting their opinions from a place few hear.
lol
They are on a trend of moving the threads they dont want the masses to see
So, like Reddit?
Could be worse could be like Arenanet, where you make non constructive post they nuke your forum account and your in game key....I think Zos is doing a more tolerant thing all in all.Edited by Balamoor on November 25, 2017 8:02PM1
