Do you get offended by "racist" comments here on the forums and ingame?

Vimora

Yes and I don't make these jokes.

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Vimora

Yes and I don't make these jokes.

Vimora wrote: »

Vimora wrote: »

ThePrinceOfBargains wrote: »

Vimora wrote: »

I am a white European. I've never been discriminated against on account of my race. However, I possess a sense of empathy and feel for those who have.

I’m a black American. I have been discriminated against on account of my race and will likely have to face it again several times in the future. However, I’m able to separate reality from fiction and don’t get offended when people talk crap about talking cats and lizards, and although they may very well be, I certainly don’t assume they’re legitimate racists using it as an outlet for hate.

And before someone asks rhetorically to try and make a point, no I don’t even care when people do it to Redguards. And I don’t say I’m not offended, then at the same time make passive-aggressive comments belittling people that joke like this, showing that I am indeed offended.

I do the same thing in real life to racists. It is very easy to come on here and be a cowardly forum warrior with your racist comments. I don't care if you are a black American, but if you really are, maybe look into the lives of your parents and grandparents, they may have entertaining stories to tell you.

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Vimora wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Vimora wrote: »

Yes, I get offended by racist comments pertaining to in-game races, because they clearly show that people who are making them are completely insensitive to racism issues in the real world. I get offended that ZOS does nothing about these threads despite people reporting them. On the other hand, they outright removed my thread that made people aware of a running petition to the UK government regarding gambling in video games. I no longer play this game and I am disgusted by the practices of this company.

It is ironically close-minded to assume such a thing. Irl, I despise racism. It is a sad truth that segregation still exists in places like Israel.

My character is fictional, and so are his views. Reading a book such as Animal Farm doesn't make one communist. Quite the contrary! Exploring errant views makes one more prone to recognizing such views as 'bad' out-of-character.

Obviouly, racism is featured in many works of art and fiction. We can and should talk about it. However, making racist comments is quite a different story. And no, you can't hide behind the "I was just roleplaying" story.

How about making jokes about sexual harrassment? You wouldn't dare do that now, right? A few months earlier I bet you had no problem doing that. Same thing is true of racism, it's not ok to joke about it. Or do we need some kind of big scandal to make people realize this, too?

I am a white European. I've never been discriminated against on account of my race. However, I possess a sense of empathy and feel for those who have.

You believe that I would joke about real issues such as sexual harassment just because I am open-minded enough to accept that my fictional character doesn't have to represent my real values. If anything should be found offensive in this thread, it is your ignorant and disgusting claim.

You know, you can call me close-minded, but people who live in the world will know that my conclusions about you and your kind are not exactly unfounded.

Runschei

No and I like to joke.

I just don't care at all

Ratzkifal

No and I like to joke.

laurajf wrote: »

I can't roleplay/pretend to be someone in game who doesn't have the same values as I have in real life. I just can't fake something like that because it's so against my beliefs/morals. This includes racism. I don't care if it fits lore or whatever. I detest racism/treating people like crap, , making people slaves, etc. Lore doesn't make me agree with it or condone it. It's evil. It implies you're better than someone else and no one is better than anyone else, fake or real. I just can't pretend to agree with something that I am truly against IRL.

Put yourself in the other person's shoes. That's how I live life/how I live in-game life too.

I also don't turn into a jerk online because of anonymity. Every time I see that excuse used as to why people are nasty online, I shake my head. I personally think any jerks online/anyone who is racist, etc. think that way in real life too because I don't know how people can change their personality from being a decent human to a jerk just because they're online. Doesn't make sense to me.

Probably too much detail. Sorry.

@laurajf
Well, I can assure you that other people are very well capable of it. It's fine that you can't and you don't even need to. Even in a Telvanni/Dres RP setting you could roleplay as a House member who despises racism.
All it takes to change personality for a roleplay is to think "what would I do?" and then do the opposite. The fun lies in it being nothing like something you would ever do. I could never kill someone either, but some of my characters are very well capable of it without needing a higher cause to justify it. My roleplaying guild (the one with the Telvanni theme) actually kicks people out if they are being actual racists. So there is that.

Buffler

How can you be offended by insults against something that doesnt exist?

malchior

No, But I don't make these jokes.

They are just words, you know that saying.

DPShiro

No and I like to joke.

It’s no joke.
Altmer are superior to all the other lowly races, as they are filth.

Dunmer gets some side love though

ToRelax

No and I like to joke.

Vimora wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

@Vimora
Roleplaying is like writing a story. Of course you can all have the same, sane opinions and live in a perfect world in your roleplay. But a setting like that has no appeal. Conflict is part of the human experience and just as you said it is featured in many works of art and fiction. Roleplaying is writing your own fiction. You allow the makers of games to write in racism to create conflict, but you don't allow RPers to use racism to create conflict in their roleplay? That just doesn't make any sense to me.
Yes, I get that this does not mean you should take your roleplaying to the forums, but I don't see why you shouldn't. This is a forum of a game that is at least in parts about roleplaying, so naturally the forums should have room for that (even outside the roleplay section).

When you post in a forum people will not assume you are roleplaying. Forums usually have a separate section for roleplaying where it is obvious. Games often have roleplaying servers or a way to indicate that you are roleplaying in-game by changing the color of your nameplate, for example.

This game has a realistic art style. Quests often make you relate to characters in an emotional way. Full voice acting only serves to augment this and your immersion. If you've played this game and then come to the forum to express that Argonians are no more than your boots and handbags, that's not funny, it just shows you're an emotional cripple.

I played the Dark Brotherhood and it wasn't worth the bad taste it left in my mouth. The Gold Coast Is a very nice area and that's about the only thing the DLC has going for it.

If people assume someone saying "Argonians are no more than [my] boots and handbags" is serious about it, that's their own fault...
I get that not everyone will like the way Bethesda set this world up, but you can't blame the players who do enjoy immersing themselves in it.

Ratzkifal

No and I like to joke.

Mureel wrote: »

If you cannot be humourous without resorting to racist or other potshots then you’re just not funny.

@Mureel
I'd like to hear a good joke now that is appropriate ^^
@Orticia
Another sane person! *high five*

@Vimora

[...] If you've played this game and then come to the forum to express that Argonians are no more than your boots and handbags, that's not funny, it just shows you're an emotional cripple.

I played the Dark Brotherhood and it wasn't worth the bad taste it left in my mouth. The Gold Coast Is a very nice area and that's about the only thing the DLC has going for it.

The moment I say "Argonians are nothing more than" and it's followed up with "lizard people" or anything that is canonly true, then you know I am roleplaying/joking. At least most people do.
What's wrong with being an emotional cripple? Also that is offensive towards people who are actually disabled.
What about the thieves guild? What about the alliance war (a conflict based on racism mixed with politics). What about any quest whatsoever? Have you played Orsinium? The Reachmen were in those mountains long before the Orcs and the nords and are just defending their home and you kill them for it. Sounds pretty unacceptable to me tbh.

itehache

No, But I don't make these jokes.

No, but me and my friends have been victims of this unfortunately!

I remember exactly the situation, it was pretty hilarious.

We were doing random dungeons because our friend healer just finished his stamina healer build (jokes aside, we have done pretty much all veteran DLC dungeons with that healer, it is actually very funny to see how well it works).

Anyway, so we needed a dd and got this random guy from zone chat. As soon as he joined we swapped languages and spoke in English, but at some point we said something in Spanish regarding the dungeon mechanics because I kept falling for the same stupid mechanic xD So the guy said something like "you f*** I knew you had to be Spanish you are noobs since you were born". I can't remember exactly his words but damn was he rude lol

We simply kicked him and finished the dungeon without him, but man, people need to calm down!

Chilly-McFreeze

*Beams @enslaved signal to the sky*

Blackbird_V

I've heard a lot of homophobic comments and talks in-game. As as gay myself, am I bothered? No. I just don't care. I mean makes 0 sense to cause drama out of something so minuscule. People have freedom of speech.

MythicEmperor

No and I like to joke.

Vimora wrote: »

Vimora wrote: »

Vimora wrote: »

ThePrinceOfBargains wrote: »

Vimora wrote: »

I am a white European. I've never been discriminated against on account of my race. However, I possess a sense of empathy and feel for those who have.

I’m a black American. I have been discriminated against on account of my race and will likely have to face it again several times in the future. However, I’m able to separate reality from fiction and don’t get offended when people talk crap about talking cats and lizards, and although they may very well be, I certainly don’t assume they’re legitimate racists using it as an outlet for hate.

And before someone asks rhetorically to try and make a point, no I don’t even care when people do it to Redguards. And I don’t say I’m not offended, then at the same time make passive-aggressive comments belittling people that joke like this, showing that I am indeed offended.

I do the same thing in real life to racists. It is very easy to come on here and be a cowardly forum warrior with your racist comments. I don't care if you are a black American, but if you really are, maybe look into the lives of your parents and grandparents, they may have entertaining stories to tell you.

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Vimora wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Vimora wrote: »

Yes, I get offended by racist comments pertaining to in-game races, because they clearly show that people who are making them are completely insensitive to racism issues in the real world. I get offended that ZOS does nothing about these threads despite people reporting them. On the other hand, they outright removed my thread that made people aware of a running petition to the UK government regarding gambling in video games. I no longer play this game and I am disgusted by the practices of this company.

It is ironically close-minded to assume such a thing. Irl, I despise racism. It is a sad truth that segregation still exists in places like Israel.

My character is fictional, and so are his views. Reading a book such as Animal Farm doesn't make one communist. Quite the contrary! Exploring errant views makes one more prone to recognizing such views as 'bad' out-of-character.

Obviouly, racism is featured in many works of art and fiction. We can and should talk about it. However, making racist comments is quite a different story. And no, you can't hide behind the "I was just roleplaying" story.

How about making jokes about sexual harrassment? You wouldn't dare do that now, right? A few months earlier I bet you had no problem doing that. Same thing is true of racism, it's not ok to joke about it. Or do we need some kind of big scandal to make people realize this, too?

I am a white European. I've never been discriminated against on account of my race. However, I possess a sense of empathy and feel for those who have.

You believe that I would joke about real issues such as sexual harassment just because I am open-minded enough to accept that my fictional character doesn't have to represent my real values. If anything should be found offensive in this thread, it is your ignorant and disgusting claim.

You know, you can call me close-minded, but people who live in the world will know that my conclusions about you and your kind are not exactly unfounded.

Oh, is it my "kind" now? What "kind" would that be? The people who play 'bad' guys? I guess James Earl Jones is a monster, too. And so is Mark Hamill (who voiced the Joker before). And so is every actor of every villain and every author of every story with a 'bad' guy in it. I guess that makes Bethesda bad too because they created this rich and in-depth world we play in. Why doesn't that trigger you? You can buy slaves in TES 3; if you don't like the lore, I'm sure club penguins would be more than happy to have you.

Loc2262

Yes

eklhaftb16_ESO wrote: »

Loc2262 wrote: »

"Pacrooti has been pondering. Why do the humans insist on calling his people "Cat Men"? This makes no sense. We do not walk on four legs and rub against them, begging for food. This one thinks he will begin calling them "Monkey Men".

Pacrooti got it wrong, the proper term would be "apes", not "monkeys".

Oh yeah, you're indeed correct!

And I wouldn't even object to that, because that's essentially what we all are, ape people - just like he is a cat person.
And not all cats are pets, either. Tigers and lions are still cats.

Well, he quite probably refers to the fact that those who call them "cat people" consider them nothing more than animals, in terms of intelligence and behavior, due to their resemblance of upright walking tigers/cats. A proper term expressing them being people with cat-like features might be "feline humanoids".

Khajiit are not descendants of cats, just like humans aren't descendants of apes. For humans, they share a common ancestry, and split off on different evolutionary paths a few million years ago. For the Khajiit, I think it's something to do with their deity Lorkhaj and what moon phases they're born under and other Elder Scrolls lore stuff.

This also very much reminds me of that Doctor Who episode (new series) where the Doctor takes Rose into the distant future, and they meet female feline humanoid nurses. "Rose noticing the nurses: They're cats. The Doctor: Now, don't stare. Look what you look like to them, all… pink and yellow."

Those calling Khajiit "cat men", or making other racist jokes, could learn a lot from the Doctor.

Demycilian

A Nord player once called me hurtful things. I explained how i would lop off an addition of 50 heads of Talos cultists for each slanderous word against me or the glory of Summerset. More hilarity ensued.

tplink3r1

No and I like to joke.

I get offended by polls like this.
DELET

idiotsavant53

No, But I don't make these jokes.

It's not real.

ToRelax

No and I like to joke.

Valkyn_Eltrys wrote: »

I've heard a lot of homophobic comments and talks in-game. As as gay myself, am I bothered? No. I just don't care. I mean makes 0 sense to cause drama out of something so minuscule. People have freedom of speech.

Honestly, I don't think the topic translates into this. The point is that "racism" is rampant in TES, whereas I've never encountered an instance of homophobia. So it really wouldn't make sense for anyone to add it to how they play their character - which means by doing that they actually do bring in their own hatred.

kamimark

No and I like to joke.

I'm never racist. But it's obvious that Goblins, Nords, Orcs, Handbags, and other lesser beings aren't really people, and it's the duty of mer to civilize them.

Ratzkifal

No and I like to joke.

ToRelax wrote: »

Valkyn_Eltrys wrote: »

I've heard a lot of homophobic comments and talks in-game. As as gay myself, am I bothered? No. I just don't care. I mean makes 0 sense to cause drama out of something so minuscule. People have freedom of speech.

Honestly, I don't think the topic translates into this. The point is that "racism" is rampant in TES, whereas I've never encountered an instance of homophobia. So it really wouldn't make sense for anyone to add it to how they play their character - which means by doing that they actually do bring in their own hatred.

Edit: it seems like the video link just doesn't do what I want it to, so please skip to 3:12
https://youtu.be/mv3ScKLD1Vc?t=192[/url]

Recremen

No, But I don't make these jokes.

I mean, my characters get offended, or violent, depending, but I don't personally get offended.

dodgehopper_ESO

Its not so bad. The game is filled with it. Its insulting if people get blatantly hateful to real life people groups, but lets face it some ethnic joking isn't bad among people who know they are joking with each other. Just work on a construction site some time. It might be changing because all the youngsters are taught to flip out about everything but sometimes people are just joshing with each other, particularly in male circles. Having a 'dig' at someone doesn't mean you really hate them. Actions speak louder than words. I'll just end this with another point. What people write in text isn't the same as what they say to your face or how they say it. There is an essence of language lost when words go from the air to the paper/bits. My point I guess is get a little perspective before you flip out at someone over the game. Nords don't have frost resistance 75% in real life. There are no elves in real life that I know of. There certainly aren't any Argonians unless the Sleestax are real, and as much as the furries (blech) wish Khajiit were real its only in their imaginations.

I love playing Argonians but it doesn't bother me that Dunmer players make a few silly Dunmer-like jabs on forums against 'lesser creatures'. I'm under no delusion that these people actually hate me for having an Argonian character, and even if they did who cares? What are they going to do to me?

At the end of the day I like playing all of the different races. When I look at the game series as a whole I definitely look askance at elves because they have a horrible track record. Their religion seeks nothing short but the annihilation of the universe. The Dwemer already succeeded at deleting their universe. The Altmer dream of the day. The Dunmer want a reboot in their own way and like the Chimer and Ayleids constantly scheme with Daedra. They hate Shor and thus they hate his children - their religion demands it. Ironically, its a human's world, and perhaps that's part of why the elves hate humans so much. For their part the human empires are very inclusive of these people and their various ways of life throughout 3 different Empires. As a whole they are dominantly influenced by the essential cultural notions behind Akatosh (I believe this is a syncretism of Shor and Auri-El) and Stendarr. In other words Justice is core to the human ethos vs. Power in the elven ethos. I find there are certainly elves with admirable qualities in the series but when you paint broad brushes of the elven cultures they are disturbing. Their alien elements also make them interesting and unique and artistically I think the designers of the series did a great job in this regard. In a few paragraphs that's my view of the races in the series and in forums.

dodgehopper_ESO

Ratzkifal wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Valkyn_Eltrys wrote: »

I've heard a lot of homophobic comments and talks in-game. As as gay myself, am I bothered? No. I just don't care. I mean makes 0 sense to cause drama out of something so minuscule. People have freedom of speech.

Honestly, I don't think the topic translates into this. The point is that "racism" is rampant in TES, whereas I've never encountered an instance of homophobia. So it really wouldn't make sense for anyone to add it to how they play their character - which means by doing that they actually do bring in their own hatred.

https://youtu.be/mv3ScKLD1Vc?t=192[/url]

This is hilarious.

ZOS_Mika

After removing a handful of off-topic posts that focused on real world politics, we have decided to close this thread. In the future, please be sure to keep all threads focused on ESO.